IdanZel wrote:

Everything here is a recommendation. Feel free to ignore whatever you feel is unnecessary. Stuff marked in blue are very minor things that I only put here because of my OCD that probably won't even make a change.

[Hard]

Most of the problems I found with this map were related to spacing. Remember that this should be a diff mainly intended for lower skill players, so some of this things might look unimportant to you, yet you should consider them anyway.

00:14:549 (1,2,3) - The spacing between these is bigger compared to the rest of the pattern for no apparent reason.
00:22:375 (2,3) - The spacing between these is bigger compared to the rest of the pattern for no apparent reason.
00:26:102 (1,2) - The spacing between these way too low and could be confusing. Not really, just a bit of reading work will do for the average player, I don't need to have constant spacing, especially when I want to create a certain pattern.
00:40:450 (2) - Ctrl+G The current one plays a bit better overall and emphasized the vocals better imo.
00:43:059 (2,3,4,5) - I don't hear anything that could justify these being stacked two at a time. Slightly changed pattern to follow vocals better.
00:55:543 (5,6,7) - Consider making the stream 5 notes long instead (the 5th note being the slider). It will be much better indeed.
01:21:444 (7,1) - Maybe reduce the spacing between those a bit? Slightly modified slider too.
01:23:307 (1,2) - Increase spacing between those a bit. Intended.
01:24:052 (4,1) - ^
01:23:680 (2,3,4) - The low spacing could be confusing. Try Increasing it.
01:24:611 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:28:338 (1,2,3,4) - ^ I'll comment on all of the above together, it is meant to be like that, with anti jumpers and relatively small spacing the kinda increases, because this is the "calm" part of the song before the second chorus.
01:34:301 (1,2,3,4) - ^ The spacing is fine, part of the wanted pattern, but after looking on it closely, I decided to remove the last slider and I made something slightly different since the previous pattern didn't fit at all.
01:35:233 (1,1) - These feel very tricky to hit, especially considering the white tick before hand is a slider end. The spacing also makes it rather dense. You should either make 01:34:860 (4) - two circles instead or make 01:34:674 (3,4) - a slider and the white tick a circle, and perhaps make 01:35:233 (1) - a stacked stream instead. Should work better after the change I made in the previous note.
01:43:059 (2,3) - The rhythm between those is confusing and "messes" the rhythm afterwards. Try having a 1/1 slider starting at 01:43:059 and a 1/2 slider starting at 01:43:618 instead. Changed the second slider to 1/2 slider + 1 circle
01:44:363 (3,4,5,1) - I don't hear anything that could justify these being stacked that way. Deleted 4, it should follow the vocals properly now.
01:51:816 (2,3,4,5) - Try increasing the spacing between those. Intended
01:52:934 (2,3,4) - ^ ^
01:54:611 (4) - Make this two circles instead, or make 01:54:425 (3) - a slider and add a circle afterwards. Changed to a triplet (that actually exists), much better.
01:55:916 (4,1) - Try increasing the spacing between those a bit.
01:56:288 (1,2) - ^
01:57:779 (3,1) - ^
01:59:456 (1,2,3,4) - Try reducing the spacing between the slider and the stream. Remapped the whole section, damn ^
02:20:139 (5) - Try rotating the slider in its place to make it horizontal.

This went out nazier then I intended >_>

Anyway, those are just my thoughts.

Good luck!

Frey wrote:

Greeting! From Frey's Little Queue

• Something you have to notice (issues)

1. In deejaydray's Normal, the KIAI should end at 00:56:288, not 00:55:916. It's not unified The kiai times can be different in different mappers' difficulties, and Dray made his end on this certain time, so I'll leave it as it is.
2. In ROLLING STAR, tick the Letterbox during Breaks It's not necessary, ROLLING STAR is the only diff that has no music intro or a break.
3. In Nya's Hard, 02:22:748 (4) - you can't hear a beat in the music at the time point, please delete it

• Easy

1. 01:00:015 (6) - NC? cuz you can hear a downbeat finish 00:59:270, and you changed the space too. V
2. 01:02:251 (1) - add finish V
   
   deejaydray's Normal
   
3. 00:25:729 (6) - I think you miss a clear beat It plays kinda nice so I see no obligation to follow it.
4. 01:17:903 (2) - unify the ds 1.09 is not such a big change, the current placement is the best visual appealing slider and a read good playing one too.
5. 01:46:972 (3) - you miss a whistle V
6. 02:22:562 (3) - really misleading if you stack, better not stack. I'll leave it as it is.
   
   Hard
   
7. 01:33:183 (3) - be symmetrical at least fixed

The rest diffs are fine to me, good luck

Yauxo wrote:

>sees thread bubbled
>remembers that I said that I'd do a Normal

Late Sorry ><

1. Check if diffs without breaks have disabled 'letterbox during breaks'.

1. 00:08:587 (1) - Delete NC because now you're just spamming with it without any logic reason I'd say.
2. 00:24:239 (1) - ^As above.
3. 00:42:872 (1) - I am pretty sure using a 3/2 slider with one reversing will be way easier than an accurate pattern at 00:43:804 (2,3) - . Remember, this is an Easy diff, not a Normal so how about just easy things? Then also you could place 00:44:363 (2) - that circle at the same XY axis position as 00:42:500 (3) - this one.
4. 01:32:438 (1,3) - Pretty sure it would be more spectacular and entertaining to place a new combo at 01:35:046 (3) - instead of here: 01:32:438 (1) - You know, the guitar riff.
5. 01:44:363 (2,3) - Um... Suddenly instead of 3/2 like patterns you're using straight 1/1 circles which is suspicious and provides a bad spread in the easiest difficulty. Just look at the same moments in terms of rhythm and I think you'll understand what I mean:
   
   1. 00:33:928 (3) -
   2. 00:36:910 (3) -
   3. 00:39:891 (3) -
   4. 00:42:872 (1,2,3) -
      If you still don't understand, let me explain in another way. You're stressing the vocals at the spotted moments with same rhythmical patterns but suddenly you're just circles at every white tick without any vocal stressing. I want you to fix it as soon as possible with patterns like above.
6. 02:00:388 (1,2) - To be honest I'd rather expect you to stress the vocals since they are more powerful than the beats (IMO). And I'd understand you doing it if only there was no spinner at 02:01:879 - which just cuts the moment off. Now it just causes a trouble for the player because it's just not as consistent as it should be. I recommend to extend the spinner so it ends like right now, but it could start at 02:00:388 -
7. 02:06:351 (4,5) - if you CTRL + G this moment you'll hear the subtle difference which sounds better. Simply, I'd love to see the slider at 02:06:351 - and then a circle at 02:07:468 - so it's easier to follow the music.
8. 02:13:804 (6,1) - Swap the placement of new combos to keep clear comboing.
9. 02:17:903 (4,5,1,2,3) - Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell... Just make it rhythmically like *THIS*.

1. 00:19:953 (5,1) - Dat spacing... Just put (5) at (X=88 | Y=152) and everything will be alright. \w/ And just use a regular stacking at 00:20:512 (2) - since it's the only custom one now.
2. 01:35:046 (1) - Just pull it down for example at (X=4 | Y=144) like *THIS* so it's easier to read. Overlaps like this in Normal difficulty are hard to read. :/
3. 01:36:537 (1) - When you fix thing above as I've written, put this circle at (X=264 | Y=332) so the spacing should be consistent and the patterns would be not harmed.
4. 02:22:562 (3) - Don't overlap this circle, it's hard as hell to read it now. <_____<

1. AR pls. Use something between AR6-6.5 but nothing above.

1. 02:19:208 (1,2,3) - Well, I have no idea for any pattern, but can you just reduce the spacing? Circles are hard to click with such a hardcore distance. D:

1. 01:03:742 (5,6) - Space it properly, such patterns were spaced differently than this one.

1. OD8.8 please.
2. 02:12:313 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - I understand it is an Extra diff, but now I am afraid of a DQ on this mapset just because of the spacing at those streams. Reduce the spacing a bit, please.

Krfawy wrote:

Hello Avishay, thank you for using my Bleeding Queue! So now, let's get it started!

General

1. Check if diffs without breaks have disabled 'letterbox during breaks'.

Easy

1. 00:08:587 (1) - Delete NC because now you're just spamming with it without any logic reason I'd say. It resets on the cymbal (or however it is called) sound.
2. 00:24:239 (1) - ^As above. Removed.
3. 00:42:872 (1) - I am pretty sure using a 3/2 slider with one reversing will be way easier than an accurate pattern at 00:43:804 (2,3) - . Remember, this is an Easy diff, not a Normal so how about just easy things? Then also you could place 00:44:363 (2) - that circle at the same XY axis position as 00:42:500 (3) - this one. I see, changed.
4. 01:32:438 (1,3) - Pretty sure it would be more spectacular and entertaining to place a new combo at 01:35:046 (3) - instead of here: 01:32:438 (1) - You know, the guitar riff. Alright, changed.
5. 01:44:363 (2,3) - Um... Suddenly instead of 3/2 like patterns you're using straight 1/1 circles which is suspicious and provides a bad spread in the easiest difficulty. Just look at the same moments in terms of rhythm and I think you'll understand what I mean:
   
   1. 00:33:928 (3) -
   2. 00:36:910 (3) -
   3. 00:39:891 (3) -
   4. 00:42:872 (1,2,3) -
      If you still don't understand, let me explain in another way. You're stressing the vocals at the spotted moments with same rhythmical patterns but suddenly you're just circles at every white tick without any vocal stressing. I want you to fix it as soon as possible with patterns like above.[color=#0000FFI understand, fixed.[/color]
6. 02:00:388 (1,2) - To be honest I'd rather expect you to stress the vocals since they are more powerful than the beats (IMO). And I'd understand you doing it if only there was no spinner at 02:01:879 - which just cuts the moment off. Now it just causes a trouble for the player because it's just not as consistent as it should be. I recommend to extend the spinner so it ends like right now, but it could start at 02:00:388 - That's a really good idea, changed.
7. 02:06:351 (4,5) - if you CTRL + G this moment you'll hear the subtle difference which sounds better. Simply, I'd love to see the slider at 02:06:351 - and then a circle at 02:07:468 - so it's easier to follow the music. I like it because I don't hear the stream inside the slider, changed.
8. 02:13:804 (6,1) - Swap the placement of new combos to keep clear comboing. C
9. 02:17:903 (4,5,1,2,3) - Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell... Just make it rhythmically like *THIS*. COOOOL!

DJD's Normal

1. 00:19:953 (5,1) - Dat spacing... Just put (5) at (X=88 | Y=152) and everything will be alright. \w/ And just use a regular stacking at 00:20:512 (2) - since it's the only custom one now. I just discovered the option to disable the custom stacking in the Editor, so I simply fixed the stack, no position changing needed.
2. 01:35:046 (1) - Just pull it down for example at (X=4 | Y=144) like *THIS* so it's easier to read. Overlaps like this in Normal difficulty are hard to read. :/ This one looks reasonable so I'll change it.
3. 01:36:537 (1) - When you fix thing above as I've written, put this circle at (X=264 | Y=332) so the spacing should be consistent and the patterns would be not harmed. V
4. 02:22:562 (3) - Don't overlap this circle, it's hard as hell to read it now. <_____< Ah.. changed.

Nya's Hard

1. AR pls. Use something between AR6-6.5 but nothing above. Alright, it'll guarantee a little bit better spread.

Hard

1. 02:19:208 (1,2,3) - Well, I have no idea for any pattern, but can you just reduce the spacing? Circles are hard to click with such a hardcore distance. D: Fixed spacing problems in the last section.

WhiteAries' Insane

1. 01:03:742 (5,6) - Space it properly, such patterns were spaced differently than this one. Fixed

ROLLING STAR

1. OD8.8 please. Yes, yay.
2. 02:12:313 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - I understand it is an Extra diff, but now I am afraid of a DQ on this mapset just because of the spacing at those streams. Reduce the spacing a bit, please. Nerf'd

Call me back when you finish applying my mod.

E6V5Y2B3 wrote:

Letterbox during break is disabled in ROLLING STAR diff and enabled in rest of the diffs

00:01:879 (4) - not in music
00:03:369 (4) - ^
00:05:792 (2) - ^
00:07:841 (4) - ^
00:09:332 (4) - ^
00:15:108 (3) - ^
00:17:438 (5) - ^

and same to the rest of the map

why overmap? it's bad

Avishay wrote:

E6V5Y2B3 wrote:

Letterbox during break is disabled in ROLLING STAR diff and enabled in rest of the diffs

00:01:879 (4) - not in music
00:03:369 (4) - ^
00:05:792 (2) - ^
00:07:841 (4) - ^
00:09:332 (4) - ^
00:15:108 (3) - ^
00:17:438 (5) - ^

and same to the rest of the map

why overmap? it's bad

Letterbox is not necessary because there are no breaks or an intro in ROLLING STAR diff.

Avishay wrote:

E6V5Y2B3 wrote:

Letterbox during break is disabled in ROLLING STAR diff and enabled in rest of the diffs

00:01:879 (4) - not in music
00:03:369 (4) - ^
00:05:792 (2) - ^
00:07:841 (4) - ^
00:09:332 (4) - ^
00:15:108 (3) - ^
00:17:438 (5) - ^

and same to the rest of the map

why overmap? it's bad

Letterbox is not necessary because there are no breaks or an intro in ROLLING STAR diff.

overmapping is bad

George wrote:

Honestly I'm going to talk shit about your map in this post and make myself look retarded, and thats okay with me

Letterbox isn't enabled on "ROLLING STAR"

---Rolling Star---
00:50:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Over mapped
01:19:208 (3,4,5,6,7) - ^
01:31:879 (1) - ^ (really overmapped)
01:32:065 (1) - This slider looks too tight
02:03:276 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Over mapped

that's all I'll point out since this is already qualified

George wrote:

Honestly I'm going to talk shit about your map in this post and make myself look retarded, and thats okay with me

Letterbox isn't enabled on "ROLLING STAR" As Nya mentioned and as I said before.

---Rolling Star---
00:50:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Over mapped Strong held vocal
01:19:208 (3,4,5,6,7) - ^ No it is not, listen carefully at 25% playback rate
01:31:879 (1) - ^ (really overmapped) Not really.. Listen at 25% playback rate
01:32:065 (1) - This slider looks too tight I think it looks fine and this one is subjective
02:03:276 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Over mapped Like the first one.

that's all I'll point out since this is already qualified

Avishay wrote:

---Rolling Star---
00:50:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Over mapped Strong held vocal do vocals that aren't on 1/4 justify having 1/4 streams..?(even the synths aren't clear)
01:31:879 (1) - ^ (really overmapped) Not really.. Listen at 25% playback rate clearly 1/6 lol

Everything that is placed on the map has some purpose and meaning.

• 
  Spacing:
  
  Generally, the difficulty has arbitrary spacing - it does not seem to follow anything as the spacing increases along with the decreases seem very random and not well thought out. I'll point out few examples for you here:

1. 00:11:568 (1,2) - These start at the most powerful beats in that pattern, yet they have the smallest spacing in the whole pattern, making the emphasize random.
2. 00:16:040 (1,2,3) - It's better to keep the spacing consistent; there is no real reason to decrease it randomly like that.
3. 00:24:239 (5) - ^
4. 00:40:450 (3,4) - ^
5. 00:52:375 (5,6,7,1) - ^

• There are patterns in this difficulty that look aesthetically sloppy, unstructured, unpolished and random. Furthermore, since the spacing varies among the patterns a lot, it creates unnecessarily jerky plays. Few examples here:

1. 00:08:959 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Rather messy, as it doesn't have visually consistent spacing to them.
2. 00:40:264 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Generally, a really messy pattern due to the spacing changing almost between every note, making it awkward to play.
3. 01:41:009 (1,2,3,4) - The pattern itself looks very random, considering that the jump from 01:41:195 (2) - to 01:41:382 (3) - is beyond inconsistent in terms of spacing, and the music doesn't call for such a jump. That results into a bad transition from 01:41:382 (3) - to 01:41:568 (4) - , creating an awkwardly flowing pattern.

1. 01:31:879 (1) - This is incorrectly snapped, instead of it being snapped to 1/16, it should be 1/6 instead.

1. 00:53:121 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - This is overmapped. As you can hear yourself, the blue ticks do not support these additional notes. Please follow the music more carefully.

1. 00:13:059 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
2. 00:14:736 (1,2,3) -
3. 00:15:854 (5,6) -
4. 00:17:158 (1,2,3) -
5. 00:17:903 (4,5,6,7,8) -
6. 00:32:810 (2,3,4,5,6) -

1. 00:10:636 (3,4,5,1) -
2. 00:46:226 (2) -
3. 00:50:326 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) -
4. 00:55:543 (5,6,7,8,9) -
5. 01:19:767 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
6. 01:45:481 (4,6) -
7. 01:49:021 (1,1) -
8. 01:58:338 (1,2,3,4,5) -

1. 00:08:959 (4,5) -
2. 00:16:972 (5) -
3. 00:25:357 (5,6) -
4. 00:48:835 (3) -

• 
  Same as in Hard and Normal, there are sliders that could look a lot more polished than they do now in their current state along with inconsistent spacing. Examples of said issues:

1. 00:10:077 (1) -
2. 00:11:195 (4,1) -
3. 00:33:928 (3) -
4. 01:30:574 (2) -
5. 01:33:183 (4) -
6. 01:36:537 (1) -
7. 01:42:500 (1) -
8. 01:54:984 (1,2) -

Avishay wrote:

Egh.. Aren't most of those subjective?

Krfawy wrote:

LOL2 DQ reason 'unpolished patterns'. How are they not polished for God's sake? And the spacing 'inconsistencies' are that small they don't really make any difference if you ask me. :<

Rakuen wrote:

Just to share my opinion here

Avishay wrote:

Egh.. Aren't most of those subjective?

Probably, but always remember opinions (and experiences) are important, this is how every community works.

Don't afraid of getting DQ, take them as an extra superficial mods.

Krfawy wrote:

LOL2 DQ reason 'unpolished patterns'. How are they not polished for God's sake? And the spacing 'inconsistencies' are that small they don't really make any difference if you ask me. :<

I'm sure it's not the reason it gets DQ, Asphy posted a snapping issue, enough to get it DQ.

Contest it via beatmap management board if you have unsatisfied issue (T&C, make sure you read).

ztrot wrote:

Hello we have looked over the disqualification for this set, the current disqualification will stand for these reasons.

1.While the normal, easy, and hard in my opinion are more or less fine. They can do with some polish! Is the a strong enough reason for the disqualification to stick not at all, but it would improve the overall look of the map set. Most the issues brought up in these diffs are subjective and with in reason could be ignored.

2.While the other diffs are in the clear, the last two insane diffs are in major need of repair, the rolling star diff has far to many things going on in it it is like a car with removed tyres fitted with a sail and a jet engine and expecting it to fly, drive and swim even if all the disconnected parts are functional they don't add up


3. The guest insane is also suffering from something like this but is more fitting to call it a collab that isn't really a collab, the problem here in this diff is that there are too many concepts and ideas clashing against each other it hurts the diff more than helping it.

4. My suggestion is to take the advice for the disqualification reasons on the guest insane and your insane diff respectively, changing the easy normal and hard is up to you! Alternatively you could also just make fixes to your insane and remove the guest or remove both your call.

• 
  By placing Beat Snap Divisor to 1/1, it can be accurate/precise as hitting only the white line in easy mode ("Set the Beat Snap Divisor to 1/1" as stated in https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Easy)

1. Moving 00:12:127 (2) to 00:11:941 then adding another hit circle to 00:12:313 (3)
2. 00:13:618 (4) endpoint to 00:13:804
3. 01:23:680 (2) - to 01:23:443
4. Moving 02:12:872 (4) to 02:12:686 then adding another hit circle to 02:13:059 (5)

Avishay wrote:

Thanks everyone for the response, but as for now, I don't really have the motivation to re-rank it, sorry.

Bladesu wrote:

Avishay wrote:

Thanks everyone for the response, but as for now, I don't really have the motivation to re-rank it, sorry.

I don't even know how you managed to wait 2 years for a map to get qualified hehe.

ohad1881 wrote:

hi there again.
[light insane]
00:12:686 (3) - you can ctrl g this, it flows good, looks better with 1,2 and it is distancing 4 which i think should be more emphasized because the vocal intensifies. It was my first intention, but I thought it wouldn't be suitable for an Hard but I forgot that I changed it to a Light Insane lol, changed.
00:21:630 (6) - i think facing the middle anchor to the other direction will be more neat and it will make the flow better imo. Alright.
00:23:121 (3) - stack With the sliderend of 00:23:866 (3) - ? I realise it'll might look less messy but in reality it ruins the overall pattern and makes it messier.
00:26:288 - i really don't think you should skip this vocal, it really stops the flow and the momentum, imo you should place another circle stacked to 1 here.
00:30:947 (5) - nc?
00:51:630 - is it really mandatory to put a spinner here? the chorus' vocals are gradually increasing to the peak of the chorus, a spinner here is a bad idea imo. ummm yeee I removed it and mapped something instead
01:26:102 (1,2) - fix blanket
*you decided to emphasize 01:44:363 (3) - instead of 01:44:549 (4) - ? why? no explanation is needed here i believe. strong drum, the vocals get the nice slider, emphasization comes in various ways
02:07:841 (1,3) - overlapping, just mentioning it so you'll might wanna fix.
[rolling star]
00:11:382 (7) - you can 1/4 slider it, will sound pretty nice imo yeah it's nice,`increased SV for that slider.
00:38:028 (6) - again you decided to emphasize it instead of 00:38:214 (7,8,1) . because drum is quite strong here..
you should emphasize in the kiai all these 00:44:922 (4) - 00:46:413 (4) - 00:47:903 (4) - and stuff, it's the peak of the chorus. same thing in the second kiai. they're fine for the reason I mentioned before
02:19:767 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - too close imo. boring and flow stops. made something slightly different
gl!