103,92 UR = 94.45%?
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is it because the 100s were major lapses?
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is it because the 100s were major lapses?
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At what point does fps increases have diminishing returns?
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There are several possible reasons for that variation.[ Momiji ] wrote:
103,92 UR = 94.45%?
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is it because the 100s were major lapses?
- The previous table only accounted for accuracy for circles (not sliders nor spinners). Assuming all sliders were a 300, 98.29% accuracy is equivalent to 97.40% accuracy on circles for that specific map. The game takes the error on sliders as well as circles for the calculation, if you tend to hit sliders less accurately than circles, then it is likely that in that play your UR on circles was less than the value shown.
- The previous table assumed a distribution of hit errors close to a Normal Distribution with mean error equal to 0 (Normal Distribution + an Uniform Distribution disturbance caused by the fps error; and rounded to the nearest millisecond). If your hit error distribution is not close to that distribution, then the estimation wouldn't be accurate.
- The table took the mean accuracy on circles. Because of the asymmetry of the Binomial Distribution, the median is different to the mean (unless the amount of circles tends to infinity, in that case they are equal); even though the mean is a certain value, there is a probability higher than 50% of getting an accuracy higher than the mean.
- The table took the timing windows shown in the Wiki, which are slightly wrong (18ms instead of 19.5ms for 300s).
According to a perfect Normal Distribution of hits (and fixed timing values), the probability of getting an accuracy of at least 98.29% (assuming all sliders are 300s) in that map with an UR on circles of 103.84 is 31.69% (so it's a very slight fluke according to the estimation). The median accuracy with that UR is 98.00% (the mean is 97.87%).
Edit: Also I noticed that that play was OD9.8, not OD10, fixed the values.
See signature, you have no idea what you're talking aboutZenithPhantasm wrote:
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[ Momiji ] wrote:
pls no bully
K person who thinks liking a game completely invalidates the entire person as a wholeZenithPhantasm wrote:
K person who posted a CoD video to show "omg i gud with mouse"
u shure been ridin that horse fer a while there cowboy, think it's time to give 'er a rest?
ZenithPhantasm
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/303080/start=60Philosofikal wrote:
Is there some problem with that? I see myself going up 40,000 rank in one month of playing, and hitting about 75,000 before that with two weeks of playing before selling my PC.
I have tons of experience using a mouse in a competitive setting.
Regardless of whether you like Call of Duty or not, you can't tell me with a straight face I don't know how to handle a mouse. You should give me some advice on how to be a rude moron so I can fit in better around here with people like you.
K m8
Zenny is our resident retard; pay him no attention. We use the RSI to keep him in check.
The thing is, I don't even see what's wrong with that post. I absolutely understand how to handle a mouse well - I win almost every single pub match in CS:GO I play and I only have 86 hours in the game, and barely understand any of the strategy or metagame. That gameplay clip is the shit and totally proves my point.Kheldragar wrote:
Zenny is our resident retard; pay him no attention. We use the RSI to keep him in check.
I think the implication is that I was saying that made me immediately good at this particular game, but I didn't say that anywhere.
Well if you admit that it doesn't make you good at this game, then what's the point of bringing it up, in an on-topic (or at least meant to be) section of an osu! forums? Cool story, you're good at cod or csgo, bring it to off-topic or whatever relevant section it's meant to be in.Philosofikal wrote:
The thing is, I don't even see what's wrong with that post. I absolutely understand how to handle a mouse well - I win almost every single pub match in CS:GO I play and I only have 86 hours in the game, and barely understand any of the strategy or metagame. That gameplay clip is the shit and totally proves my point.Kheldragar wrote:
Zenny is our resident retard; pay him no attention. We use the RSI to keep him in check.
I think the implication is that I was saying that made me immediately good at this particular game, but I didn't say that anywhere.
Even in the original thread that you posted that cod gameplay in, look at the context, if you really didn't imply that knowing how to use a mouse in another game made you good at osu!, then why bother bringing it up?
Even in the original thread that you posted that cod gameplay in, look at the context, if you really didn't imply that knowing how to use a mouse in another game made you good at osu!, then why bother bringing it up?I'm not the person who brought it up. Zenith follows me around Gameplay and Rankings and posts it in reply to half the posts I make, as if it's the only thing that defines me as a person. It's completely retarded and I don't get the point.
I brought it up originally because I basically gave the same tips that made me really good at mouse aim in everything else I've done. They've worked in many different games and there's no reason why they won't work here after a couple of years of practice. This game is not special when it comes to mouse control.
People questioned the legitimacy of my advice so I'm like, hey, I've gotten really good at mouse usage elsewhere, I have a system that works. I just happened to have visual evidence in this one particular game because I upload stuff to my YouTube, I never predicted there would be this huge nonsense backlash to it.
I gotta say I love how g&r has the ability to derail each and every single thread that's posted here. Isn't it lovely?Philosofikal wrote:
Even in the original thread that you posted that cod gameplay in, look at the context, if you really didn't imply that knowing how to use a mouse in another game made you good at osu!, then why bother bringing it up?I'm not the person who brought it up. Zenith follows me around Gameplay and Rankings and posts it in reply to half the posts I make, as if it's the only thing that defines me as a person. It's completely retarded and I don't get the point.
I brought it up originally because I basically gave the same tips that made me really good at mouse aim in everything else I've done. They've worked in many different games and there's no reason why they won't work here after a couple of years of practice. This game is not special when it comes to mouse control.
People questioned the legitimacy of my advice so I'm like, hey, I've gotten really good at mouse usage elsewhere, I have a system that works. I just happened to have visual evidence in this one particular game because I upload stuff to my YouTube, I never predicted there would be this huge nonsense backlash to it.
So as for the actual answer. First off, are you new to the internet? Because cod. Internet. Cod. Internet. No like. You were obviously going to get bashed for that video pretty much anywhere. Bringing it up originally was pretty obviously a mistake and just oh so happened to backfire so miserably that some people will always remember you as "that guy who posted a cod video on g&r". I'm among the most forgiving here but I'm sorry to tell you it is what it is.
The problem with your posts, you will recall, was not the content itself, but the way you posted said content. You posted as if your advice was the
And on another note, mouse control in cod is barely as hard as csgo (in which pub matches are abso-fucking-lutely not proof of skill, or lack thereof) or this. Just figured I'd throw this in even though I'm pretty sure you'll disagree and try to take a dump on my head.
Here's a tip, though: don't.
i forgot to ask if we could get back on topicbigfeh wrote:
I gotta say I love how g&r has the ability to derail each and every single thread that's posted here. Isn't it lovely?
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hi drum drumerinoZenithPhantasm wrote:
Hi drum drum! o/
pls no lockerino
this is so going to get locked, isn't it?
Anyways, not even sure if game logic runs at the same rate as your framerate, because that reeks an awful lot like bullshit. Rendering != processing unless peppy has some seriously weird code going on there
I'd say the question hasn't been answered yet, so I'm serious with the "pls no lockerino" thing
http://ask.fm/Tom94/answer/126791631310bigfeh wrote:
hi drum drumerinoZenithPhantasm wrote:
Hi drum drum! o/
pls no lockerino
this is so going to get locked, isn't it?
Anyways, not even sure if game logic runs at the same rate as your framerate, because that reeks an awful lot like bullshit. Rendering != processing unless peppy has some seriously weird code going on there
I'd say the question hasn't been answered yet, so I'm serious with the "pls no lockerino" thing
http://ask.fm/Tom94/answer/126803371470
You can also test yourself by playing an OD10 map with a circle on the middle of the screen every 1/2 beat (preferably with a map with exactly 2 or 3 notes per second), and comparing accuracy and hit error bars between 60fps and 1000+fps.
Literally what the fuck. This needs to be stickied somewhere, I feel bad for the poor sap that has been playing this game on 60fps Vsync and wondering why his accuracy is so bad.Full Tablet wrote:
You can also test yourself by playing an OD10 map with a circle on the middle of the screen every 1/2 beat (preferably with a map with exactly 2 or 3 notes per second), and comparing accuracy and hit error bars between 60fps and 1000+fps.
Literally what the fuck too, but not for the poor guy whose accuracy is shit because he's playing at 60 FPS.Philosofikal wrote:
Literally what the fuck. This needs to be stickied somewhere, I feel bad for the poor sap that has been playing this game on 60fps Vsync and wondering why his accuracy is so bad.Full Tablet wrote:
You can also test yourself by playing an OD10 map with a circle on the middle of the screen every 1/2 beat (preferably with a map with exactly 2 or 3 notes per second), and comparing accuracy and hit error bars between 60fps and 1000+fps.
I mean, if game logic and rendering are together, then it means they're both probably on a single thread, which is kind of retarded. The game logic should be running separately from other stuff (go check this link out for what I'm talking about), and knowing peppy, it probably is (because he's good). Could there be some legacy code going on there though
Anyways, separate things should run on separate threads, and if they are, great. It'll update consistently and will work well. Tying rendering to pretty much anything else is a bad decision because FPS fluctuates a lot, particularly if you don't have a frame buffer (which in some cases, you really shouldn't since buffers increase input lag). If the game really runs like you guys are saying it does, then this needs some serious rework done.
EDIT: wow, holy shit
just read tom on askfm and yeah, turns out the code is retarded. Can't really blame them though, because the game's old. This should still, however, be priority number fucking zero because it's literally game breaking
You can blame them because, as you've said, it's priority number fucking zero.bigfeh wrote:
Can't really blame them though, because the game's old. This should still, however, be priority number fucking zero because it's literally game breaking
Good code is still good in 5 years from now. Which means osu is coded badly.
How is it game breaking when there is zero negative impact from this 'bad code' besides low fps affecting accuracy?
B1rd wrote:
How is it game breaking when there is zero negative impact from this 'bad code' besides low fps affecting accuracy?
Because accuracy is like, important or something
I heard accuracy is quite important. It's also a very bad kind of game breaking because it is so subtle that you blame it on yourself instead of bad programming.B1rd wrote:
How is it game breaking when there is zero negative impact from this 'bad code' besides low fps affecting accuracy?
Maybe this wouldn't be an issue if people stopped playing on toasters.
I said with low fps. Anything over 240 is negligible. Only people with toasters are affected.
Yeah, I actually rewrote that sentence 5 times because for one, I understand legacy code. But on the other hand, yeah, it's game breaking, retarded and should be fixed asap.Saphirshroom wrote:
You can blame them because, as you've said, it's priority number fucking zero.bigfeh wrote:
Can't really blame them though, because the game's old. This should still, however, be priority number fucking zero because it's literally game breaking
Good code is still good in 5 years for now. Which means osu is coded badly.
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for you people who aren't programmers (aka normal people), let me put it this way: imagine if you had a car that would only turn if you were flooring it, because for some reason, one day someone decided the steering wheel should depend on the engine to work. This is literally how bad this is
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not true at all. read thread for reasonB1rd wrote:
I said with low fps. Anything over 240 is negligible. Only people with toasters are affected.
Oh yeah, let's make a low-end game and completely turn it on its head because game logic is dependant on fps. Let's also not tell the player about it so they can enjoy playing that low-end game on their low-end computers without ever knowing what on earth is going on.B1rd wrote:
I said with low fps. Anything over 240 is negligible. Only people with toasters are affected.
Way to find excuses for badly designed code.
I think I should make a thread about this. This is critical. Should I make it a feature request or something here for everyone to complain in?
The answer to this thread doesn't really exist, what defines diminishing returns in this case? Your FPS will continue to have an effect all the way up to the refresh rate of your input devices. What defines diminishing is difficult. Frankly, I don't notice the difference between when I played at 600fps and playing at 1400 fps now. There is an obvious different sub 400 however, and playing at 240 feels like a slideshow.
Fun fact, you don't actually see the difference between 400 and 240 unless you have a 400Hz monitor, which doesn't existotoed1 wrote:
The answer to this thread doesn't really exist, what defines diminishing returns in this case? Your FPS will continue to have an effect all the way up to the refresh rate of your input devices. What defines diminishing is difficult. Frankly, I don't notice the difference between when I played at 600fps and playing at 1400 fps now. There is an obvious different sub 400 however, and playing at 240 feels like a slideshow.
Placebo makes you feel better though, so there's that.bigfeh wrote:
Fun fact, you don't actually see the difference between 400 and 240 unless you have a 400Hz monitor, which doesn't exist
Bottom line is the fact that it's just shit design that isn't really widely known. If they were more up front about it, it wouldn't be a huge problem. The fact that they even offer 60fps as a frame limiting option in this context is shocking.
As long as it is above 60 it should be fine I guess.
I wouldn't call it shocking, since I was able to point out the reason straight up from the beginning: it's pretty obvious that shit like this exists because the game is 8 years old.Philosofikal wrote:
Bottom line is the fact that it's just shit design that isn't really widely known. If they were more up front about it, it wouldn't be a huge problem. The fact that they even offer 60fps as a frame limiting option in this context is shocking.
The problem is that if this were any other genre (shooter, strategy, mmo or whatever), it would be simply "retarded". In a rhythm game, however, if this isn't game breaking, then I genuinely don't know what is
the only benefit i see capping 60fps is giving more priority to resources for recording gameplay at 60fps
only applies if your hardware is potato though
only applies if your hardware is potato though
the only benefit I see capping ANY FPS is not heating your hardware too muchNoobsicle wrote:
the only benefit i see capping 60fps is giving more priority to resources for recording gameplay at 60fps
only applies if your hardware is potato though
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I guess you could also argue that limiting framerates can be for reducing tearing; but with the extremely high framerates people play osu!, you're going to get screen tearing anyway. The new adaptive vsync technology with newer monitors also wouldn't change anything because they only apply for an effective range which varies from manufacturers.bigfeh wrote:
the only benefit I see capping ANY FPS is not heating your hardware too much
Maybe someday we'll get 144hz + monitors when consoles die and everyone realises that the human eye doesn't see in frames per second.
2000 FPS, no tearingPhilantropist wrote:
I guess you could also argue that limiting framerates can be for reducing tearing; but with the extremely high framerates people play osu!, you're going to get screen tearing anyway. The new adaptive vsync technology with newer monitors also wouldn't change anything because they only apply for an effective range which varies from manufacturers.bigfeh wrote:
the only benefit I see capping ANY FPS is not heating your hardware too much
beat this shit
I like youPhilantropist wrote:
Maybe someday we'll get 144hz + monitors when consoles die and everyone realises that the human eye doesn't see in frames per second.
game logic is entirely depending on fps? then a 60fps player will have 6ms less to hit a 300 on OD11? are you serious?
