tbh having scoreboards on ALL submitted maps would be nice, i know there are other games that handle it this way but old approval system is next best thing
TAG4 thoughOkoratu wrote:
As modding and ranking should be more community driven and we actively work towards moddingv2, i think it would be appropriate to have players who can pass the map vote if they think it should go into this category
My opinionJappyBabes wrote:
tbh having scoreboards on ALL submitted maps would be nice, i know there are other games that handle it this way but old approval system is next best thing
If Lach agrees with this, then so do I.Lach wrote:
Isn't this what approval was for before it changed to >6 minutes? I can't be bothered reading the thread, but holy shit that's a lot of stars.
I suppose I should chip in. If this happens it can't be for just "LMAO MY AR10 MAP IS MY FIRST MAP EVER PLZ PLAY HATUNE MIKU MY ROOM FOR PONY", but genuine maps which are designed in a way to be weird and awesome, not just difficult. Some examples would be <insert sprosive maps here>.
Currently, "approval" maps just get a heart instead of a flame, and have for almost a year now. In that time, the category has stood dormant with a few random song compilations as the first thing people see. I honestly think it's time to change that and get some truly awe-inspiring weird shit their own scoreboard.
More stuff like Evanescent. More TAG. And a little Graces of Heaven for good measure.
^disDoKito wrote:
Whatever you guys make with this idea... Please DON'T make it that you have to search for 1000 mods before getting a "gimmick map" "ranked" :c
I dont know why the OP changed the title to "gimmick maps".DoKito wrote:
Whatever you guys make with this idea... Please DON'T make it that you have to search for 1000 mods before getting a "gimmick map" "ranked" :c
I changed it just for you (the old title said unrankeable instead of gimmick) , it's long as heck now thoSea_Food wrote:
Originally it was just a suggestion to add distinction and a leaderboard for unranked maps that are not shit. But i guess all good gotta change
Thanks man. I really appreciate it. But tbh peppy can say what ever he wants, but it will be BNs or who ever gets the responsibility choice on how they intepritate the rule.Default wrote:
I changed it just for you (the old title said unrankeable instead of gimmick) , it's long as heck now thoSea_Food wrote:
Originally it was just a suggestion to add distinction and a leaderboard for unranked maps that are not shit. But i guess all good gotta change
But in the end, peppy will be the one to decide which maps will fit into the category if he ever implements it.
Nah. That's not a good idea because there's maps with 70 favourites that are awful to the point where they're unplayable. The idea is that people use common sense to sift through those 300 bad maps and approve the actual interesting stuff.mooooo1245 wrote:
Why not just have it so a map has to have a set amount of favourites (70ish?) before they can apply for leaderboards. That way it could potentially solve the issue of having 200 or so crap maps wanting leaderboards a day and allow the community to choose maps they love (eighto/jump training) getting leaderboards.
Just a thought~~
If anything, it shouldn't be easy for that exact reason. Maps should be playtested and modded by experienced players, go through the same modding process, and require 2 bubbles and a ranking BA. If just any random map can be pushed into whatever category this goes into (approval please), it defeats the whole purpose.Midge wrote:
I have some questions though. If it's gonna be this easy to get a leaderboard for your map, what would even be the point of going for real rank in your map? Is that not the point other than for it to be counted for pp? Or is this only applying to full-on, unrankable maps, and not tv-sizes or even fanzhen-esque maps, which are completely rankable?
Furthermore, I've skimmed through the thread, but I haven't read anything about a process. I'd like to see at least some idea for a structure.
Also, are IIDX maps allowed in this category? Those are unrankable, too.
That said, I really hope you refute what I've brought up, as this is a really good idea. I just want to make sure it's watertight.
Because without those you'd have some serious issues regarding new people joining the game. How do you expect those people to play/get better if theres only insane+ maps? People are already putting extemely little effort into their easy maps, imagine what would happen if those werent mandatory...Reviz wrote:
So why do we need all these artificial barriers again?
There is a very very large aumont of easy maps and there were before it was mandatory. Its reatrded that every map needs an easy diff because people play them during the first 30min-3hours after they DL the game. Wouldntn it be enough that they get to choose from the thoudands of beatmaps? Why do they need to have the privledge of choosing from every single one?Granger wrote:
Because without those you'd have some serious issues regarding new people joining the game. How do you expect those people to play/get better if theres only insane+ maps? People are already putting extemely little effort into their easy maps, imagine what would happen if those werent mandatory...Reviz wrote:
So why do we need all these artificial barriers again?
Eyyyy you made a good post.Sea_Food wrote:
There is a very very large aumont of easy maps and there were before it was mandatory. Its reatrded that every map needs an easy diff because people play them during the first 30min-3hours after they DL the game. Wouldntn it be enough that they get to choose from the thoudands of beatmaps? Why do they need to have the privledge of choosing from every single one?Granger wrote:
Because without those you'd have some serious issues regarding new people joining the game. How do you expect those people to play/get better if theres only insane+ maps? People are already putting extemely little effort into their easy maps, imagine what would happen if those werent mandatory...
Also we are off topic now.
Yes the point of getting your map ranked is so that it yields pp. Doing good on a ranked map = your rank gets better. The primary reason there even is a ranking criteria is not to promote polished maps, but to ensure that people would not get ranking from "troll maps." It was much more important in the old pp system but its still valid now.Midge wrote:
I have some questions though. If it's gonna be this easy to get a leaderboard for your map, what would even be the point of going for real rank in your map? Is that not the point other than for it to be counted for pp? Or is this only applying to full-on, unrankable maps, and not tv-sizes or even fanzhen-esque maps, which are completely rankable?
Furthermore, I've skimmed through the thread, but I haven't read anything about a process. I'd like to see at least some idea for a structure.
Also, are IIDX maps allowed in this category? Those are unrankable, too.
That said, I really hope you refute what I've brought up, as this is a really good idea. I just want to make sure it's watertight.
thanks manjesus1412 wrote:
Eyyyy you made a good post.
Akali wrote:
Approval criteria:
-Proper timing (crucial) Ok.
-At least basic hitsounding Ok.
-One diff only, preferably with some sort of minimal star rating (4-4,5 should work for osu!) What's the point in this?
-At least 1:50 of draining time 30 seconds should be long enough (or just fully mapped mp3).
-Map shows "intelligent design" - it shouldn't be just few minutes of retarded square jumps, it should represent the music somehow, just without being bothered about stuff like kiai time, proper slider velocity etc Ok.
-No extreme overmapping Too subjective, if it plays well, let it have a scoreboard.
- +6sp minimum? Just to guarantee some sort of insight from modders or that mapper actively takes a part in a modding process on other maps/sets Ok.
Biggest problem here is that this sort of approval could easily get out of control and create a circlejerk on larger scale, where friends approve eachother's gridsnapped copypaste. I still love this idea, it would let some mappers get more recognition and players show off their skills on something more crazy then we are used to. Punish these people if their maps are shitty, revoke their ability to scoreboard a map.
Also I think it would be a good idea to seperate these maps from officially ranked maps, so stupid people don't start blaming osu! staff for promoting "cancer". I would be ok with a situation where they don't even appear in "Beatmaps" section, just let them have seperate forum. This way better maps like this would be played more and spread across the community through multiplayer, pms and spectating players, resulting in some sort of natural selection in terms of popularity No point in this really, they'll be like other maps, just make it obvious that the map doesn't contribute to pp (not sure why they wouldn't if they have to go through approval to get a scoreboard though, it's pretty clear if they pass that they aren't pp breaking maps).
jesus1412 wrote:
Akali wrote:
Approval criteria:
-Proper timing (crucial) Ok.
-At least basic hitsounding Ok.
-One diff only, preferably with some sort of minimal star rating (4-4,5 should work for osu!) What's the point in this?I don't know, not overflowing osu! with approved easy diffs?
-At least 1:50 of draining time 30 seconds should be long enough (or just fully mapped mp3).I guess, whatever
-Map shows "intelligent design" - it shouldn't be just few minutes of retarded square jumps, it should represent the music somehow, just without being bothered about stuff like kiai time, proper slider velocity etc Ok.
-No extreme overmapping Too subjective, if it plays well, let it have a scoreboard.come on now, it still should be mapped properly, by extreme overmapping I mean putting a deatstream over one note out of ass
- +6sp minimum? Just to guarantee some sort of insight from modders or that mapper actively takes a part in a modding process on other maps/sets Ok.
Biggest problem here is that this sort of approval could easily get out of control and create a circlejerk on larger scale, where friends approve eachother's gridsnapped copypaste. I still love this idea, it would let some mappers get more recognition and players show off their skills on something more crazy then we are used to. Punish these people if their maps are shitty, revoke their ability to scoreboard a map.
Also I think it would be a good idea to seperate these maps from officially ranked maps, so stupid people don't start blaming osu! staff for promoting "cancer". I would be ok with a situation where they don't even appear in "Beatmaps" section, just let them have seperate forum. This way better maps like this would be played more and spread across the community through multiplayer, pms and spectating players, resulting in some sort of natural selection in terms of popularity No point in this really, they'll be like other maps, just make it obvious that the map doesn't contribute to pp (not sure why they wouldn't if they have to go through approval to get a scoreboard though, it's pretty clear if they pass that they aren't pp breaking maps).
Somehow I really dont see that being a problem we would ever have. Besides especially for "gimmick maps" the star rating says very little.Akali wrote:
I don't know, not overflowing osu! with approved easy diffs?
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/231394 this will become a reality, once I find the motivation to continue itSea_Food wrote:
Somehow I really dont see that being a problem we would ever have. Besides especially for "gimmick maps" the star rating says very little.Akali wrote:
I don't know, not overflowing osu! with approved easy diffs?
I've spent 30$ in supporter since I made this account, and in a year I've only received 2 stars to usexxdeathx wrote:
just wondering how do people shoot 70 stars at a feature request? i thought you only get 2 per month
and how'd this get to 7.5k SP in 3 days?
Maybe, I just feel it still should be either gimmicky or insanes/extra/490 etcSea_Food wrote:
Somehow I really dont see that being a problem we would ever have. Besides especially for "gimmick maps" the star rating says very little.Akali wrote:
I don't know, not overflowing osu! with approved easy diffs?
Riince is rightRiince wrote:
It's well know that the idea of those barriers just being there for the new players is bogus, it's there to make things easier for the staff. Because it's easier to say "Blah Blah Unrankable Patterns" than it is to admit they aren't good enough at the game to gauge whether the map plays well or not.
The fact that Frostmourne quit being a BAT speaks to the failure of the ranking criteria, if he ranked anything that he thought played well but was hard, some QAT would just strike from the grassy knoll and unrank it anyway because 'lolrankingcriteria'. Do you really think he wants to sit there and bubble 4 star captin1 tv sizes for the rest of his life?
of course, and for something to make it through all those criteria hoops and hurdles just to get shot down by someone with an opinion and too much power is incredibly discouraging to BN's, Mappers, and Modders alike. Something really needs to change somewhere. Things are different, this wouldnt be out of place back in simpler times when it was just a handful of mappers making maps, while Peppy goes around ranking things with a wave of his hand like 7-8 years ago, but it's just out of place and unprofessional today with a large pool of staff, a thorough ranking process, and lots of mappers.Lust wrote:
I helped move forward that map after plenty of testplays and thorough modding on my end, in that case its just a matter of opinion (not really any criteria involved). I thought it was a good map, apparently those in charge did not. Its something that will continue to plague the new modding system due to the subjectivity and will not change as far as I am aware.
anyway, lets get dis back on topic yo