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Granger

Aurani wrote:

Granger wrote:

Like... when a bunch of people tells you that the curve seems a bit too steep, theres a chance it is really too steep even if they are not veterans in idk... something something curves...
So, you're telling me that other people know what is or isn't too steep for you? I call bullshit on that. No one except for you knows what is and isn't hard - WITH the exception of you doing so badly that other people have to facepalm and tell you that you need to tone it down a little bit - but you have to be truly mongrelic to not notice it yourself.
Oh, im not talking about whats me, but rather if the diffculty spread of a mapset as example is apporative, if you have a easy easy, a easy normal, and hard hard and a bullshit insane people are going to comment on it and hopefully tell me their ideas how i can make the spread and curve better. Im certainly not perfect so im asking others what they think so more work is getting done, and the end product improved.

Aurani wrote:

Granger wrote:

Of course, some people prefer praise or other stuff but is it helpfull? I mean, does this person help you by saying "Awesome!"?
Sure as hell does to me. :p
You can't tell me that an egocentric person won't benefit from you telling them that they did good, even if that isn't quite the truth. Sure, you'll feed their egocentrism, but that's at least a thousand times more productive than telling them they did something wrong and derailing them completely because of their inability to do exactly what Bird just mentioned above me - resist a defensive impulse and not take it like you're charging them with murder and not giving constructive criticism. Some machines run on Diesel, some run on Gasoline, and you can't possibly put one into the other engine and expect them to run the same.
Wait a sec. Im asking if its helpfull, to improve your work. Not to feed your ego or anything. Im not talking about how a person handles negative feedback but rather if the feedback is helpfull to their work.
Im going to give honest feedback, prositive if i like it and negative if i dont, excess sugar coating does not help anyone, of course you should be nice when you give feedback, expecially negative one but dont tell someone they did good when they actually didnt. If something is truly this bad that dropping it and starting anew is a good idea im going to say so but this is rarely the case, its almost always possible to improve something, maybe the person needs encouragement, but encouragement by lieing to them is bad, id rather say "You did this pretty badly, but im sure you can do it better."

Aurani wrote:

Granger wrote:

At the very least it can make you look over the bad parts again thinking how to improve it which may spark a entirely new idea how you could approach it.
So, someone else is supposed to replace your own intelligence and ability to conclude what is and isn't a correct move to take? That doesn't sound right at all.
I'll give you credit for the latter part of your sentence, as you hit the bullseye there - the ONLY reason you'd want someone else's opinion on anything is because they may have entirely unique ideas that could help you along the road, but don't mix that with them trying to tweak YOUR existing ideas and try to "correct" them by giving some sort of biased shitty constructive feedback.
Oh who speaks of replacing? I take their feedback and think about it, maybe its really a good idea i just havent seen before or maybe nah, not so much a good idea but the part in question is improvable regardless. Im not going to have them direct what i do, as i said i think about the feedback and from there i conclude what i do next.
This, i think, is how one should handle feedback of any kind.

Also yay arguing. <3 I want to do it more often but theres so littlle people who are actually fun to argue with.
Aurani

Granger wrote:

Oh, im not talking about whats me, but rather if the diffculty spread of a mapset as example is apporative, if you have a easy easy, a easy normal, and hard hard and a bullshit insane people are going to comment on it and hopefully tell me their ideas how i can make the spread and curve better. Im certainly not perfect so im asking others what they think so more work is getting done, and the end product improved.
Then how do you explain certain users in this community (since we're talking about maps all of a sudden) who didn't give two damns about what others think, and achieved incredible feats from their own doings, not with the help of the others? I, for example, listened to what certain friends said about which maps I should play to train myself and what to avoid - and what happened? I had 500pp. As SOON as I listened to myself and relied on my own healthy judgement, I got up to 2k in less than a month, just by trial and error, and ignoring what others said because what works for the others very well might NOT work for me.
That is what I mentioned above, in my first post. Individuality - you can't KNOW for sure whether or not that person will benefit at all from your feedback, or even affect them negatively, so you can't possibly claim you've helped them if you don't know them very, very well.

Granger wrote:

Wait a sec. Im asking if its helpfull, to improve your work. Not to feed your ego or anything. Im not talking about how a person handles negative feedback but rather if the feedback is helpfull to their work.
Im going to give honest feedback, prositive if i like it and negative if i dont, excess sugar coating does not help anyone, of course you should be nice when you give feedback, expecially negative one but dont tell someone they did good when they actually didnt. If something is truly this bad that dropping it and starting anew is a good idea im going to say so but this is rarely the case, its almost always possible to improve something, maybe the person needs encouragement, but encouragement by lieing to them is bad, id rather say "You did this pretty badly, but im sure you can do it better."
You're missing the entire point here. It is BECAUSE they can't handle that "constructive" feedback, that makes them unable to progress in their work with your help, hence why I said that you're rather crippling them, just like you'd do if you added Gasoline to a Diesel engine. The abovesaid relates to this, basically.

Granger wrote:

Oh who speaks of replacing? I take their feedback and think about it, maybe its really a good idea i just havent seen before or maybe nah, not so much a good idea but the part in question is improvable regardless. Im not going to have them direct what i do, as i said i think about the feedback and from there i conclude what i do next.
This, i think, is how one should handle feedback of any kind.

Also yay arguing. <3 I want to do it more often but theres so littlle people who are actually fun to argue with.
Well the way you conveyed the message sure as hell made it sound like you encouraged replacing someone's ideas just because they might be flawed.

I think you're looking for the word "debate" instead of "arguing". If you like arguing, you're downright a dick (like me), but debating is fine and healthy. :V
Bweh
It's there
thelewa

ColdTooth wrote:

Negative feedback doesn't help
it does help

if you're doing something so bad that nothing positive can be said about it then how is anyone supposed to give you feedback if negative feedback doesn't help
ColdTooth

Granger wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

Negative feedback doesn't help
Sorry, i gotta disagree. Negative feedback is very helpfull, provided it is constructive. "Your work sucks lol" is not helpfull but "I dont like how you did this pattern, maybe try to place the circles 10 11 12 closer together?" Is very helpfull.

With that said i greathly prefer constructive negative feedback over praise. "Awesome!" Does neither tell me why its awesome nor tell me how i can maybe make it even more awesome.
I was actually joking, since this is off-topic and all I do here is be stupid like I always am.

Personally, it really depends on the situation. I can be as constructive as I can, and still keep it on a positive subject. Your 2nd negative feedback is not negative, nor positive. This is more of a neutral feedback, where it is neither negative nor positive, therefore it is more leading into a suggesting comment.

Yes, I can tell you that if I only said one word like "Awesome!", it would not be as helpful as I can. For me, I always try to find a small error, overlook the issues, and try to come up with an explanation. I could just say nothing overall, but that wouldn't be helpful. It also wouldn't be negative so I can't really bide the situation half the time. Sometimes people tell me positive stuff, some tell me negative. I take both as constructive.

thelewa wrote:

if you're doing something so bad that nothing positive can be said about it then how is anyone supposed to give you feedback if negative feedback doesn't help
You do make a good point. I can see that I did something so stupid and horrible, then how is there a positive feedback to give? No great thing is suddenly created.
loldcraft

AxE Rayden wrote:

Lets see who here is the rager and who here is the one who deals with it
Ok this thread sucks.
(reads rest of thread)
Oh I need a reason? This thread sucks because it offends me.
lol jk
But then again there's more and more people thinking "it offends me" automatically justifies their argument and invalidates other's.
IppE

loldcraft wrote:

But then again there's more and more people thinking "it offends me" automatically justifies their argument and invalidates other's.
Bweh
If nobody's telling me I suck or that I need to work on something specific I'll just do it myself.




But that's not usually the case anyway
Aurani
You suck mate, you need to draw more Gilgamesh, else you'll never get good. :V
Bweh
Aurani
And that's exactly why I love you.
Friendan
epic thread op :^)
Trash Boat

Sonatora wrote:

I'm laughing becase FUCK YOU IM LAUGHING
Chaika does not approve
IppE

Trash Boat wrote:

Chaika does not approve
Who gave you the right to falsify the words of our queen?

AutoMedic

IppE wrote:

Trash Boat wrote:

Chaika does not approve
Who gave you the right to falsify the words of our queen?

-Sandstorm
Bweh
You mean Sand. Storm!
Trash Boat
On topic, that actually depends on the situation somebody receives negative feeback. When publishing a game? When announcing important changes? That stuff
Topic Starter
AxE Rayden
Love how first post was a troll message. Probably to see my reaction.

Just to say i deal with negativity 7-10 so i laughed that post off well hehe

anyways im glad this discussion actually seems to have meaning

I believe Negative feedback if used in correct context is great to help build a persons self worth

ONLY if used to help someone better themselves
Aurani
I hate you all, guys.
AutoMedic

Aurani wrote:

I hate you all, guys.
I still admire and respect you Aurani
Aurani
Sarcasm hardly works Aurani :V
Trash Boat
Admire? Respect? not enough, Venera-Sama
Meikyuuiri Tsumi
I think I handle it pretty well. To some extent.
Necturion
I usually ignore it or get in a bad mood and sometimes I start discussing, but I can't enforce myself, so I stop. My personality type is INFP, for those who care.
AutoMedic

Trash Boat wrote:

Admire? Respect? not enough, Venera-Sama
Fuck off, Dva
Friendan

AxE Rayden wrote:

Love how first post was a troll message. Probably to see my reaction.
What does troll mean?
ColdTooth

Friendan wrote:

AxE Rayden wrote:

Love how first post was a troll message. Probably to see my reaction.
What does troll mean?

"Eh, it changes often." - ColdTooth
konkarne_old
I assess on whatever they thought of was bad or wrong, and try to fix it. I do take it somewhat personally, but I don't really get mad about it. If it's a valid reason for their criticism they provide, then yeah, I'll take it into consideration and try to improve.
Friendan
Don't you have to go back to advertising CaVe, Rayden?
Red Eclipse_old
I cry
Topic Starter
AxE Rayden

Friendan wrote:

Don't you have to go back to advertising CaVe, Rayden?
Thanks but no advertising has happened lol without us giving money to players so Friendan you obviously got no respect and I am not worried as to how you have posted. ALL in ALL every1 has there own opinion

Thanks
Corin
Jesus fucking Christ, this thread is autismal.
Friendan

AxE Rayden wrote:

Friendan wrote:

Don't you have to go back to advertising CaVe, Rayden?
Thanks but no advertising has happened lol without us giving money to players so Friendan you obviously got no respect and I am not worried as to how you have posted. ALL in ALL every1 has there own opinion

Thanks
t/263821
I do have respect, just not to shills

Corin wrote:

Jesus fucking Christ, this thread is autismal.
like you're mom
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