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fartownik
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fartownik
So, I've taken some time and prepared some advanced statistics for Poland's performance during OWC.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Note that this is purely judgmental, counted manually map by map. There might be slight mistakes, but it's just for fun, though I always wanted the OWC official stats to look like this.

There's a better view of the scoreboards in another sheet at the bottom of the drive menu, you can sort the scoreboard by values there.

If you have any suggestions feel free to speak.
Tokiwadai
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Tokiwadai
WWW MVP
AmaiHachimitsu
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Joined May 2011
AmaiHachimitsu
It took him 1 hour and is really well done and, what's the most important, it's interesting to read.

On the other hand, Marcin has done nothing.

Pick people who aren't "busy" next time, peppy. Actually those kinds of one-team focused stats could be done by a group of people, each for one/two teams.
nya10
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nya10
I would agree with this.
It is less interesting that you can't see which map is banned during the tournament, except when you're in twitch (maybe, I never streaming at there lol).
And also at least something map statistics should have been done (not about little girl and stuff lol)
[-Cloud-]
438 posts
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[-Cloud-]
It's ridiculous how JP vs KR is getting hyped as the topmatch of the entire OWC by commentators, while Poland is destroying every opponent they get. I could understand it, if KR would play with their strongest players or it would be JP vs PL, but KR vs JP? Meh.
deadbeat
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deadbeat
japan and korea have always been strong teams in the OWC. it's only natural that people go nuts when they end up face each other
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu
Real vs FCB will be a Gran Derbi regardless of the teams' shape and roster.

nya10 wrote:

I would agree with this.
It is less interesting that you can't see which map is banned during the tournament, except when you're in twitch (maybe, I never streaming at there lol).
And also at least something map statistics should have been done (not about little girl and stuff lol)
Marcin is doing the streaming and I've no idea what they put him in charge of statistics.

In this case virtually anyone would do better (he/she would do something at least).
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[-Cloud-]
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[-Cloud-]
So JP just took 2 times HR and 2 times HDHR on Supernova. Cold as ice.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker
Jesus christ, this kind of commentator is the sole reason I had to watch the whole mania world cup on perma mute. No offense, it's just really annoying to listen to, especially when the mic quality is crap too.
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
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deadbeat
confirmed new champion this year
B1rd
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B1rd
Japan vs Korea so intense
[-Cloud-]
438 posts
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[-Cloud-]
Can't wait for JP vs Poland.
Rikashet
14 posts
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Rikashet
Me 2
Cyclohexane
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Cyclohexane
That's the first time in OWC history that South Korea won't make the final 3.
1 third place, 3 victories.
Germany has never made the final 3.
Poland have 1 third place which they took last year.
Japan have never won the OWC, but they were second twice, each time losing to South Korea.

I seriously have no idea how the rest of this will go. What I do know is that not being able to commentate is killing me, and that I will definitely be there for the grand finals next week.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY

Mr Color wrote:

What I do know is that not being able to commentate is killing me
Apparently it's killing the viewers too
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu
May I know what was wrong with the commentary? I didn' watch anything.
xAsylum
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Joined July 2012
xAsylum
Nothing is wrong with commentators I watch everything. Just players are facking undecided as fack once they say commentators shouldn't talk to much cuz it bothers them and their watching experince and then they just tell commentators to stop talking cuz they want to hear the song, then some time later they blame commentators for not commenting to much and not good enough...
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deadbeat
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deadbeat
we had no ztrot or color. that's what was wrong :p
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Loctav
Sometimes I believe you just complain about this because you have nothing else to complain about.
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu

deadbeat wrote:

we had no ztrot or color. that's what was wrong :p

So that was probably the best-commentated match so far.

If it was e.g. Raiku and Jesse then I can't imagine them being destructive. I actually love when people who know something about the game commentate a match.

Raiku knows what device each player is using, what are his strong points, what is actually hard on a given map. Sorry but I regard ztrot being mostly a fill-the-hole. He is a native speaker so he won't budge as to say something, but doesn't change the fact that his knowledge is limited.
Makan1
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Makan1
that jp vs kr tie breaker....
zyvik_old
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zyvik_old
Can you change streaming site, or get partnership with Twitch? Watching stream is terrible expirience (sometimes its 2 sec of stream, 10s of lag).
Lucidity
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Lucidity

zyvik wrote:

Can you change streaming site, or get partnership with Twitch? Watching stream is terrible expirience (sometimes its 2 sec of stream, 10s of lag).
I have the same issue.

The problem is that there are no video quality options a lot of the time. Currently in Ger vs Pol there is only Source available. In some countries terrible things such as internet bandwidth caps exist, which means watching the osu stream can be very costly.

Could the streamers not make an attempt at having multiple quality options available?
[-Cloud-]
438 posts
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[-Cloud-]
ztrot sounds somwhat staged, or is it just me?
Darksonic
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Darksonic
Germany 3:6 Poland

https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10966299

Cool game as expected, and results were a bit expected as well, nice job Poland!
Jetzu
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Jetzu
GG to both teams, great game :)

Little question - will there be a new mappool for the grand final?

EDIT: btw. Amai with the disrespect on Neu, had the highest score and decided to fail to humiliate his opponent 8-)
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Te Amo
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Joined January 2013
Te Amo
Im pretty confused, so as Germany v Poland 1st place match or is it tomorrow?
[-Cloud-]
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[-Cloud-]
JP plays against Germany tomorrow and the winner is going to play against Poland again.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Bass
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Bass
Holorin
Holorin
WWWLand for now ....
Germany pls survive against Japan tomorrow :?
D e s
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D e s
I hope there is new mappool for the Grand Final next week
fartownik
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fartownik

D e s wrote:

I hope there is new mappool for the Grand Final next week
Ethelon
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Ethelon
I have a question.

Why was the loser bracket semi-finals and loser bracket final considered "the finals?" My understanding is that there's only one final and everything else can be described as <winners bracket/loser's bracket><quarters/semis/final> so as to not be misleading.
fartownik
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fartownik
Yeah, it should've been named like that. Probably a cheap gimmick to gain viewership. Not worth it.

Also, I've updated the statistics for Poland (bottom of the page).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =267419612

AmaiHachimitsu is the absolute MVP of this match, FCing 2 maps, gathering 5 crucial plays + 2 crucial freemod plays.
kuur0
67 posts
Joined November 2013
kuur0

D e s wrote:

I hope there is new mappool for the Grand Final next week
I don't think there is. I already clarified it again on the mappool discussion thread with loctav and it seems we are having the same mappool for the gf as well. (refer to mappool discussion for more detail, I guess)
Jetzu
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Jetzu

Kii- wrote:

D e s wrote:

I hope there is new mappool for the Grand Final next week
I don't think there is. I already clarified it again on the mappool discussion thread with loctav and it seems we are having the same mappool for the gf as well.
That's like super dumb.

Japan could possibly play the same map pool 5 times (against USA, Korea, Germany and Poland twice in grand finals)...
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they

Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu

KRZY wrote:

Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they

Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe

Korea wouldn't, that's one thing. forget that, you actually would

farto underperformed due to some problems with tablet.

WWW arrived shortly before the match started and had little time for a warm up.

If everything works well next time, we shouldn't be an easy prey.
Dostedt
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Dostedt
Go Poland!
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu
I don't really want to belittle ztrot's commentating skills (again), but his knowledge about the game, maps, players is scarce (as we could see in our match). I'd love some expert to accompany him. Raiku or Jesse would be my picks.

Just please do this, ztrot is good at releasing the tension between the audience and the commentators, but we need someone who knows what is going on.
kuur0
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kuur0

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I don't really want to belittle ztrot's commentating skills (again), but his knowledge about the game, maps, players is scarce (as we could see in our match). I'd love some expert to accompany him. Raiku or Jesse would be my picks.

Just please do this, ztrot is good at releasing the tension between the audience and the commentators, but we need someone who knows what is going on.
Yup. ztrot is kinda like the shoutcaster, responsible for hyping and general stuffs but not necessary too game related commentary while raiku or jesse or some other commentator takes care of the more in depth analysis. I think that would be ideal.
B1rd
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B1rd
Ztrot was funny trying to pronounce Amai's name, sounded like he was trying to do a kamehameha :) (but seriously Ztrot, Japanese is like one of the most phonetic languages)

There did seem to be a lot of breaks and fails in the finals. I am hoping for ruruchi and Japan to blitz though and win the tournament~
xAsylum
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xAsylum

KRZY wrote:

Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they

Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
Maybe they underperformed today because of some problems like Amai said, but still KRZY you had your chance already with your team against Poland but you failed so :)
buny
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buny
rip america

sadest day 12/6/14 :(
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY

xAsylum wrote:

KRZY wrote:

Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they

Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
Maybe they underperformed today because of some problems like Amai said, but still KRZY you had your chance already with your team against Poland but you failed so :)
All true, don't get me wrong, Poland and Germany deserved to be there. Was just trying to point out that both teams really should have produced better scores than they did on that winner's bracket final, and Amai sorta explained why they underperformed lol
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu
We are fucked
Rikashet
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Rikashet
RIP GERMANY
[-Cloud-]
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[-Cloud-]

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

We are fucked
Yes, you are.
Holorin
Holorin

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

We are fucked
Seeing Rttyui this consistent, yeah u guys should be worried ;)
RIP Tommany. U will be avenged (or not) by WWWLand
[-Cloud-]
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[-Cloud-]

Oppai Neko wrote:

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

We are fucked
Seeing Rttyui this consistent, yeah u guys should be worried ;)
RIP Tommany. U will be avenged (or not) by WWWLand
It's not only rrt. Guy and especially Mecurius are doing a great job.
xAsylum
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xAsylum
Everyone from jp is facking op atm. 2-3 players with fc or really high combos. You can't point anyone but I guess we can point rrt as safe Fc maker and Merc as his main backup but the rest is also really consistent
Holorin
Holorin

[-Cloud-] wrote:

It's not only rrt. Guy and especially Mecurius are doing a great job.
Of course it was not a one man show, but he was the most consistent one. Poruteri carried hard the 1st map, Serea and Mercurius all contributed greatly.
Oh damn am I excited for the grand final. Are we going to have another mappool?
[-Cloud-]
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[-Cloud-]
I hope not. The actual mappool is extremely hard already. I love the Tiebreaker aswell. <3
Makan1
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Makan1
VS

Germany post game

Japan post game

one for rrtyui

I find this so funny XD
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
Give us a good match Poland

Give us a great one

One you won't regret
Makan1
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Makan1

KRZY wrote:

Give us a good match Poland

Give us a great one

One you won't regret




AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu

Makan1 wrote:





Don't do it Chris, suicide is not the way to go!
Vuelo Eluko
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Vuelo Eluko

KRZY wrote:

Give us a good match Poland

Give us a great one

One you won't regret
you know Horo is ready and waiting if you guys win
just keep that in mind
not that you should throw the match or anything... :roll:
Cola
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Cola
Really i wish good luck to Poland, because wow they will need it!
Japan was so good and seemed really strong. Will be really tough to beat them even with 2 attempts.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
that WWW expression so tense
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Loctav
Schedule is out
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu

Loctav wrote:

Schedule is out

So we are
Nakano Itsuki
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Nakano Itsuki

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Let's fight again for the glorious 1 month supporter tag!
Still remembering this from the start of OWC. Poland proved they will receive more than one month of supporter tag. xDD
Anyway, best of luck to Poland. Go for champion! :)


...actually, good luck Japan as well... ;)
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
Just fucking realized I'm not getting any supporter tags from this tournament

Holy shit I was looking forward to it so much

Wow

How
sables
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sables

KRZY wrote:

Just fucking realized I'm not getting any supporter tags from this tournament

Holy shit I was looking forward to it so much

Wow

How
You should have thought of that before :D
Athrun
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Athrun

KRZY wrote:

Just fucking realized I'm not getting any supporter tags from this tournament

Holy shit I was looking forward to it so much

Wow

How
It's "just 6 months."
VnSoul
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Joined May 2013
VnSoul

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Schedule is out

So we are
hahahaha omg i laughed my ass off
So let it be a fair and entertaing grand final. I believe you have a chance to beat Japan and you even have 2 tries to win it so nothing is over yet. Don't enter the match with that kind of attitude. Just believe, you can do it and show the asians how op europeans are!
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu
Guess what happened to MP links from the group stage matches. Thanks Obama

Since the OWC is ending soon, I'll just state my opinion that this OWC was worse than last year's.

And you know why.
Vuelo Eluko
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Vuelo Eluko

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Guess what happened to MP links from the group stage matches. Thanks Obama

Since the OWC is ending soon, I'll just state my opinion that this OWC was worse than last year's.

And you know why.
Because no Rucker? I agree.
Makan1
204 posts
Joined September 2013
Makan1

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Guess what happened to MP links from the group stage matches. Thanks Obama

Since the OWC is ending soon, I'll just state my opinion that this OWC was worse than last year's.

And you know why.
nnnnnnnn can we discuss this after the match : ) it kinda slows down the momentum, you know?. just 1 day and we can be like blah bllah blah about our opinions.
AmaiHachimitsu
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AmaiHachimitsu
Nobody posts anything, the thread is half dead and the OWC isn't really hyped like last year. Sad.
CXu
osu! Alumni
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CXu
Complaining about it isn't gonna help though. If you feel the thread is half dead and there isn't enough hype, try to "create" some hype rather than talking about negative things that basically has the opposite effect.
fartownik
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fartownik
woo ~`owc hype`~ woo

grand finals incoming

gogogo poland

notreally.psd
Darksonic
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Darksonic
Just let it be, this is about to finish anyway.
Bass
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Bass
fartownik
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fartownik
This is how you hype for OWC, Loctav. Learn.
Tidek
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Tidek
Hype

Wishy
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Wishy
HELLO
primrose
primrose
sexy voice
im betting Poland will win this year :D
FlyingKiwi
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FlyingKiwi
Can you please tell them to play this map after the Grand Final for a celebration? https://osu.ppy.sh/s/90784. I think this map will suit the situation and end the OWC 2014 well.
Nathan
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Nathan
Not sure who to root for :<
Oinari-sama
osu! Alumni
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Oinari-sama
Let's see how will Japan against Poland's Spell Card in this Red-White battle xD [/touhou references]
buny
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buny
i hope poland win
Jetzu
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Jetzu
Bring the 6 months of supporter home, boiz!

DO PRZODU POLSKOOO!
piruchan
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piruchan
<3 RURUCHI <3
kuur0
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kuur0

Bass wrote:

Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Topic Starter
Loctav

fartownik wrote:

This is how you hype for OWC, Loctav. Learn.

What have I done again? ;_;
fartownik
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fartownik

Loctav wrote:

fartownik wrote:

This is how you hype for OWC, Loctav. Learn.

What have I done again? ;_;
Nothing, yeah. That's the point :^)
Makan1
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Makan1

Loctav wrote:

What have I done again? ;_;
a bit . . .
Jetzu
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Jetzu
As a completely objective spectator I propose we get rid of the "failed scores doesn't count" rule.

That's completely objective opinion, plz don't look at my flag.
xAsylum
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xAsylum

Jetzu wrote:

As a completely objective spectator I propose we get rid of the "failed scores doesn't count" rule.

That's completely objective opinion, plz don't look at my flag.
How does that make sense? So if you lose in league of legends for example by making a bad dive or because of one person farming on top and rest 4 of them team fighting 4v5 then you say that it shouldn't count? Fail is same as losing.


Btw Poland clearly can't take the pressure and their players aren't as consistent as japan. Rrtyui is like Satan and rest of his team is other demons. Japan in this year tournament played whole time like beasts. They do deserve the win. Gl next year Poland ~
Tokiwadai
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Tokiwadai
Gg Japan.

Should of ban Reiwai Terrorism
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Lapis-
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Lapis-
GG
tryaway
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tryaway
GG JAPAN MASTERRACE
Rinari
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Rinari
worst owc by the worst staff.
Jetzu
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Jetzu
Gg to Japan, they finally got their win :-)

Great games, especially set #2 but in set #1 there were few very close maps, it could have gone either way.

xAsylum - isn't it obvious I was joking? Because I thought I made it as obvious as possible, but well.
Sophia_old_1
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Sophia_old_1
Since this is double elimination isn't there one more after this?
kuur0
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kuur0
they already won one before 6-1
Sophia_old_1
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Sophia_old_1
Annd I lost that while away


But 6-1 and 6-2? Holy shit gg.
- weilaoxin -
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- weilaoxin -
big gg to japan especially rrtyui de fkn served.
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