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Just hopping on the Tom94 hype train
My maps have killed enough people.
Nice Tom !!!
Nice Tom !!!
*Sterrum gets the best score of the round*
"WWW HYPE CARRY SO PRO OMGGGGGG"
"WWW HYPE CARRY SO PRO OMGGGGGG"
I never attempted in any way to gain pp on this account, so it's a given that it increases with random plays where I actually try hard.Jetzu wrote:
Tom94 with his 3rd best performance live, on stream, in a semi-final tiebreaker :O
Alas, that's just the way it goes I guess. Especially in an environment like Twitch chat..Pacemaker wrote:
*Sterrum gets the best score of the round*
"WWW HYPE CARRY SO PRO OMGGGGGG"
Just because this map is overrated and you can earn a lot of PP.
6 stars please, what a joke x)
6 stars please, what a joke x)
wtf is this poland 2 stronk, all of the players did a really good job almost on every maps
I think OWC 2nd and 3rd place players should get badge too
OWC's second and third place players should get badge too, It's always 1st place players who gets the badge on their user page. And the 2nd and 3rd players doesn't get anything except few support months
But people will forget who placed in 2nd or 3rd place as time goes because there's nothing that shows who got which place stuff. Like the first and second OWC.
We know Taiwan won first OWC and Korea Second. But anybody know which country got 3rd place? Some poeple might know but not many people really know about 2nd and 3rd place countries. Plus, there's no wiki for first and second OWC.
And it's too sad that they achieved 2nd 3rd place so hard and only few people will remember them, and eventually, forget 2nd, 3rd players.
So they should be rewarded badges too, for their hard work and effort-making it to 2nd and 3rd place. Like Olympic. You know, they have gold medal, silver medal, and bronze medal for each 1st place, 2nd place, and 3rd place. So if tournament staff make 2nd place and 3rd place badge, it will surely look good on them, and they will be somewhat satisfied that they can actually get something from becoming 2nd and 3rd place, and they got something people can see and remember. They should be praised too.
OWC's second and third place players should get badge too, It's always 1st place players who gets the badge on their user page. And the 2nd and 3rd players doesn't get anything except few support months
But people will forget who placed in 2nd or 3rd place as time goes because there's nothing that shows who got which place stuff. Like the first and second OWC.
We know Taiwan won first OWC and Korea Second. But anybody know which country got 3rd place? Some poeple might know but not many people really know about 2nd and 3rd place countries. Plus, there's no wiki for first and second OWC.
And it's too sad that they achieved 2nd 3rd place so hard and only few people will remember them, and eventually, forget 2nd, 3rd players.
So they should be rewarded badges too, for their hard work and effort-making it to 2nd and 3rd place. Like Olympic. You know, they have gold medal, silver medal, and bronze medal for each 1st place, 2nd place, and 3rd place. So if tournament staff make 2nd place and 3rd place badge, it will surely look good on them, and they will be somewhat satisfied that they can actually get something from becoming 2nd and 3rd place, and they got something people can see and remember. They should be praised too.
I mean I knew we werent going to win... But I really had hope deep down inside, and losing like this, 6-0 has made me extremely depressed. I pity those that go against Poland, they're absolutely monsters, dominating over everyone and everything. GGWP
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jK, Usa lost on purpose, didn't want to make every Poland fanboy cry.
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jK, Usa lost on purpose, didn't want to make every Poland fanboy cry.
talalea wrote:
I think OWC 2nd and 3rd place players should get badge too
OWC's second and third place players should get badge too, It's always 1st place players who gets the badge on their user page. And the 2nd and 3rd players doesn't get anything except few support months
But people will forget who placed in 2nd or 3rd place as time goes because there's nothing that shows who got which place stuff. Like the first and second OWC.
We know Taiwan won first OWC and Korea Second. But anybody know which country got 3rd place? Some poeple might know but not many people really know about 2nd and 3rd place countries. Plus, there's no wiki for first and second OWC.
And it's too sad that they achieved 2nd 3rd place so hard and only few people will remember them, and eventually, forget 2nd, 3rd players.
So they should be rewarded badges too, for their hard work and effort-making it to 2nd and 3rd place. Like Olympic. You know, they have gold medal, silver medal, and bronze medal for each 1st place, 2nd place, and 3rd place. So if tournament staff make 2nd place and 3rd place badge, it will surely look good on them, and they will be somewhat satisfied that they can actually get something from becoming 2nd and 3rd place, and they got something people can see and remember. They should be praised too.
I've been arguing on this topic last year, too.
But well, it's not that this tournament is made for players
Damn I wanna see Austria vs Germany
Someone please tell me you recorded it. Pretty please.
I think there should be an osu! world cup YouTube channel
Someone please tell me you recorded it. Pretty please.
I think there should be an osu! world cup YouTube channel
All Twitch live streams are recorded as vods, as far as I know.Friek555 wrote:
Damn I wanna see Austria vs Germany
Someone please tell me you recorded it. Pretty please.
I think there should be an osu! world cup YouTube channel
http://www.twitch.tv/osulive/b/594341854Friek555 wrote:
Damn I wanna see Austria vs Germany
Someone please tell me you recorded it. Pretty please.
I think there should be an osu! world cup YouTube channel
Topic Starter
Schedule is out (mother of god)
>potential US vs Korea match
This probably was a killer to schedule huh
This probably was a killer to schedule huh
As this year's OWC is nearly done i would want to give some feedback from how i have expierienced this tournament as a viewer and what i think was done good/bad and what other options there are to improve it for next year.
Good Stuff: I'm kinda happy that some of the points that have been discussed have been adressed this year. Fake misses were nearly eliminated. Twitch chat rules have gotten a lot more reasonable. Players were handled more respectfully after a certain incident. Commentators seem to have gotten quite a bit better since the start of the tournament. Mapsets were chosen really carefully, and were really good, maybe with the exception of group stages being too easy. Loser's bracket was introduced making it less possible on some random DC to effect to whole tournament really harshly.
What i think could still be changed:
DC's: How about, since OWC is handled on a different server anyways, as i understood it, if a player disconnects, his play wont be aborted and his score will be counted toward the multi-lobby after he finishes his map, no matter if he stayed connected the entire song? Idk how possible this is, but it would get rid of this issue entirely and no unfair wins would occur.
Twitch chat: While the moderation has gone down a lot, maybe let us say those pesky banned words, theres no real reason not to imo. At least put the chat rules somewhere in the streamdecription
Schedule: While i understand that 1 Hour seems like a good time interval for matches, it might be too tight to make it comfortably. The other match probably has not ended by then, so players had been pressured for it to hurry up while making their choices. Making it 1.5 Hours or even 2 until the next match starts would get rid of this and this should easily be doable after group stages.
Stream Quality: Maybe you could try applying for a sub button on twitch, so quality options are permanently unlocked? Also make sure the internet connection you are hosting the stream from is stable and strong enough, which sometimes didn't seem that way (i noticed frame drops and such, that were not related with twitch or my own internet connection).
Commentators: Be more courageous to talk! Come on, people just want to hear a voice that is confident in talking, not a shaky voice from someone who is uncertain I know you guys can do it, some of you run their own streams and do it well there aswell. So don't be shy or so. Long pauses are just akward for everyone involved. I think you also gotten better at this throughout the tournament as stated earlier.
Stream description: The info below the stream is as minimalistic as it gets. Put some more useful info into it.
Alright im done, take from it what you want and at least give it a thought ;D
Good Stuff: I'm kinda happy that some of the points that have been discussed have been adressed this year. Fake misses were nearly eliminated. Twitch chat rules have gotten a lot more reasonable. Players were handled more respectfully after a certain incident. Commentators seem to have gotten quite a bit better since the start of the tournament. Mapsets were chosen really carefully, and were really good, maybe with the exception of group stages being too easy. Loser's bracket was introduced making it less possible on some random DC to effect to whole tournament really harshly.
What i think could still be changed:
DC's: How about, since OWC is handled on a different server anyways, as i understood it, if a player disconnects, his play wont be aborted and his score will be counted toward the multi-lobby after he finishes his map, no matter if he stayed connected the entire song? Idk how possible this is, but it would get rid of this issue entirely and no unfair wins would occur.
Twitch chat: While the moderation has gone down a lot, maybe let us say those pesky banned words, theres no real reason not to imo. At least put the chat rules somewhere in the streamdecription
Schedule: While i understand that 1 Hour seems like a good time interval for matches, it might be too tight to make it comfortably. The other match probably has not ended by then, so players had been pressured for it to hurry up while making their choices. Making it 1.5 Hours or even 2 until the next match starts would get rid of this and this should easily be doable after group stages.
Stream Quality: Maybe you could try applying for a sub button on twitch, so quality options are permanently unlocked? Also make sure the internet connection you are hosting the stream from is stable and strong enough, which sometimes didn't seem that way (i noticed frame drops and such, that were not related with twitch or my own internet connection).
Commentators: Be more courageous to talk! Come on, people just want to hear a voice that is confident in talking, not a shaky voice from someone who is uncertain
I know you guys can do it, some of you run their own streams and do it well there aswell. So don't be shy or so. Long pauses are just akward for everyone involved. I think you also gotten better at this throughout the tournament as stated earlier.Stream description: The info below the stream is as minimalistic as it gets. Put some more useful info into it.
Alright im done, take from it what you want and at least give it a thought ;D
>JP vs USLoctav wrote:
Schedule is out (mother of god)
>7am my time
[sleep deprivation intensifies]
not anymore, we just don't know yet if its Tommany or WWWLandMr Color wrote:
NL still the only european team to make the OWC finals :p
shit, should've beaten you when we had the chancecptnXn wrote:
not anymore, we just don't know yet if its Tommany or WWWLandMr Color wrote:
NL still the only european team to make the OWC finals :p
At my time would be 4am...Mr Color wrote:
>JP vs USLoctav wrote:
Schedule is out (mother of god)
>7am my time
[sleep deprivation intensifies]
I'll save this forever XDTshemmp wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/osulive/b/594341854Friek555 wrote:
Damn I wanna see Austria vs Germany
Someone please tell me you recorded it. Pretty please.
I think there should be an osu! world cup YouTube channel
Except that twitch save vods for like 2 weeks. You might want to download it.TheLukay wrote:
I'll save this forever XD
Cola wrote:
after group stages.
Stream Quality: Maybe you could try applying for a sub button on twitch, No, no, no, that imposes more ads than already are present, we are considering moving to another streaming service for next wc though.
so quality options are permanently unlocked? twitch were Di--...Douches, seriously,
Also make sure the internet connection you are hosting the stream from is stable and strong enough, it is hosted from connection that is at least 100 mb/s synchronous.
which sometimes didn't seem that way (i noticed frame drops and such, that were not related with Frame drops were happening in early stages (before semi-finals but after group stage.), yes, but other than that it was either twitch or your internet (betting on twitch, holy shit i can't watch my own streamed content
Stream description: The info below the stream is as minimalistic as it gets. Put some more useful info into it.none looks at it anyway q.q
Extra ads only roll if you choose to roll them. Which of course, would be completely unnecessary.Marcin wrote:
Cola wrote:
after group stages.
Stream Quality: Maybe you could try applying for a sub button on twitch, No, no, no, that imposes more ads than already are present, we are considering moving to another streaming service for next wc though.
so quality options are permanently unlocked? twitch were Di--...Douches, seriously,
Also make sure the internet connection you are hosting the stream from is stable and strong enough, it is hosted from connection that is at least 100 mb/s synchronous.
which sometimes didn't seem that way (i noticed frame drops and such, that were not related with Frame drops were happening in early stages (before semi-finals but after group stage.), yes, but other than that it was either twitch or your internet (betting on twitch, holy shit i can't watch my own streamed content
Stream description: The info below the stream is as minimalistic as it gets. Put some more useful info into it.none looks at it anyway q.q
Also a lot of people look at the description.
hitbox is the way to go
dailymotion*KRZY wrote:
hitbox is the way to go
Last 2 videos are impossible to download through twitch tools: http://puu.sh/dfX0W/cd5974504c.png
The next 2 videos are loading a 2:20 minute long video.
As I have been working to get all the OWC on youtube, this is major drawback.
Anyone who has the raw video files please contact me.
The next 2 videos are loading a 2:20 minute long video.
As I have been working to get all the OWC on youtube, this is major drawback.
Anyone who has the raw video files please contact me.
xasuma wrote:
Last 2 videos are impossible to download through twitch tools: http://puu.sh/dfX0W/cd5974504c.png
The next 2 videos are loading a 2:20 minute long video.
As I have been working to get all the OWC on youtube, this is major drawback.
Anyone who has the raw video files please contact me.
If you mean these ones:
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp/?c=NE&m=0
Niger will win. Give up Poland, Korea, Japan, Taiwan. Pls, you stand no chance
Niger will win. Give up Poland, Korea, Japan, Taiwan. Pls, you stand no chance
Not even enough users to have a team xdMaus wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp/?c=NE&m=0
Niger will win. Give up Poland, Korea, Japan, Taiwan. Pls, you stand no chance
what about these 2 videos?
anyone able to watch them/download them?
anyone able to watch them/download them?
Go to Twitch tools and use links:xasuma wrote:
what about these 2 videos?
anyone able to watch them/download them?
http://www.twitch.tv/osulive/b/594261463 (3 hours)
http://www.twitch.tv/osulive/b/593886584 (4 hours)
It seems to work for me. (If you still have any problems with this I can download and upload it during weekend).
Thank you very much. I have no idea why mine was forwarding the videos to a different url. But thanks to your links I ll be able to work with them now. thanks a lot
So, I've taken some time and prepared some advanced statistics for Poland's performance during OWC.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Note that this is purely judgmental, counted manually map by map. There might be slight mistakes, but it's just for fun, though I always wanted the OWC official stats to look like this.
There's a better view of the scoreboards in another sheet at the bottom of the drive menu, you can sort the scoreboard by values there.
If you have any suggestions feel free to speak.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Note that this is purely judgmental, counted manually map by map. There might be slight mistakes, but it's just for fun, though I always wanted the OWC official stats to look like this.
There's a better view of the scoreboards in another sheet at the bottom of the drive menu, you can sort the scoreboard by values there.
If you have any suggestions feel free to speak.
It took him 1 hour and is really well done and, what's the most important, it's interesting to read.
On the other hand, Marcin has done nothing.
Pick people who aren't "busy" next time, peppy. Actually those kinds of one-team focused stats could be done by a group of people, each for one/two teams.
On the other hand, Marcin has done nothing.
Pick people who aren't "busy" next time, peppy. Actually those kinds of one-team focused stats could be done by a group of people, each for one/two teams.
I would agree with this.
It is less interesting that you can't see which map is banned during the tournament, except when you're in twitch (maybe, I never streaming at there lol).
And also at least something map statistics should have been done (not about little girl and stuff lol)
It is less interesting that you can't see which map is banned during the tournament, except when you're in twitch (maybe, I never streaming at there lol).
And also at least something map statistics should have been done (not about little girl and stuff lol)
It's ridiculous how JP vs KR is getting hyped as the topmatch of the entire OWC by commentators, while Poland is destroying every opponent they get. I could understand it, if KR would play with their strongest players or it would be JP vs PL, but KR vs JP? Meh.
japan and korea have always been strong teams in the OWC. it's only natural that people go nuts when they end up face each other
Real vs FCB will be a Gran Derbi regardless of the teams' shape and roster.
In this case virtually anyone would do better (he/she would do something at least).
Marcin is doing the streaming and I've no idea what they put him in charge of statistics.nya10 wrote:
I would agree with this.
It is less interesting that you can't see which map is banned during the tournament, except when you're in twitch (maybe, I never streaming at there lol).
And also at least something map statistics should have been done (not about little girl and stuff lol)
In this case virtually anyone would do better (he/she would do something at least).
So JP just took 2 times HR and 2 times HDHR on Supernova. Cold as ice.
Jesus christ, this kind of commentator is the sole reason I had to watch the whole mania world cup on perma mute. No offense, it's just really annoying to listen to, especially when the mic quality is crap too.
confirmed new champion this year
Japan vs Korea so intense
That's the first time in OWC history that South Korea won't make the final 3.
1 third place, 3 victories.
Germany has never made the final 3.
Poland have 1 third place which they took last year.
Japan have never won the OWC, but they were second twice, each time losing to South Korea.
I seriously have no idea how the rest of this will go. What I do know is that not being able to commentate is killing me, and that I will definitely be there for the grand finals next week.
1 third place, 3 victories.
Germany has never made the final 3.
Poland have 1 third place which they took last year.
Japan have never won the OWC, but they were second twice, each time losing to South Korea.
I seriously have no idea how the rest of this will go. What I do know is that not being able to commentate is killing me, and that I will definitely be there for the grand finals next week.
Apparently it's killing the viewers tooMr Color wrote:
What I do know is that not being able to commentate is killing me
May I know what was wrong with the commentary? I didn' watch anything.
Nothing is wrong with commentators I watch everything. Just players are facking undecided as fack once they say commentators shouldn't talk to much cuz it bothers them and their watching experince and then they just tell commentators to stop talking cuz they want to hear the song, then some time later they blame commentators for not commenting to much and not good enough...
we had no ztrot or color. that's what was wrong :p
Topic Starter
Sometimes I believe you just complain about this because you have nothing else to complain about.
deadbeat wrote:
we had no ztrot or color. that's what was wrong :p
So that was probably the best-commentated match so far.
If it was e.g. Raiku and Jesse then I can't imagine them being destructive. I actually love when people who know something about the game commentate a match.
Raiku knows what device each player is using, what are his strong points, what is actually hard on a given map. Sorry but I regard ztrot being mostly a fill-the-hole. He is a native speaker so he won't budge as to say something, but doesn't change the fact that his knowledge is limited.
Can you change streaming site, or get partnership with Twitch? Watching stream is terrible expirience (sometimes its 2 sec of stream, 10s of lag).
I have the same issue.zyvik wrote:
Can you change streaming site, or get partnership with Twitch? Watching stream is terrible expirience (sometimes its 2 sec of stream, 10s of lag).
The problem is that there are no video quality options a lot of the time. Currently in Ger vs Pol there is only Source available. In some countries terrible things such as internet bandwidth caps exist, which means watching the osu stream can be very costly.
Could the streamers not make an attempt at having multiple quality options available?
Germany 3:6 Poland
https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10966299
Cool game as expected, and results were a bit expected as well, nice job Poland!
https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10966299
Cool game as expected, and results were a bit expected as well, nice job Poland!
GG to both teams, great game 
Little question - will there be a new mappool for the grand final?
EDIT: btw. Amai with the disrespect on Neu, had the highest score and decided to fail to humiliate his opponent
Little question - will there be a new mappool for the grand final?
EDIT: btw. Amai with the disrespect on Neu, had the highest score and decided to fail to humiliate his opponent
Im pretty confused, so as Germany v Poland 1st place match or is it tomorrow?
JP plays against Germany tomorrow and the winner is going to play against Poland again.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
D e s wrote:
I hope there is new mappool for the Grand Final next week
I have a question.
Why was the loser bracket semi-finals and loser bracket final considered "the finals?" My understanding is that there's only one final and everything else can be described as <winners bracket/loser's bracket><quarters/semis/final> so as to not be misleading.
Why was the loser bracket semi-finals and loser bracket final considered "the finals?" My understanding is that there's only one final and everything else can be described as <winners bracket/loser's bracket><quarters/semis/final> so as to not be misleading.
Yeah, it should've been named like that. Probably a cheap gimmick to gain viewership. Not worth it.
Also, I've updated the statistics for Poland (bottom of the page).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =267419612
AmaiHachimitsu is the absolute MVP of this match, FCing 2 maps, gathering 5 crucial plays + 2 crucial freemod plays.
Also, I've updated the statistics for Poland (bottom of the page).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =267419612
AmaiHachimitsu is the absolute MVP of this match, FCing 2 maps, gathering 5 crucial plays + 2 crucial freemod plays.
I don't think there is. I already clarified it again on the mappool discussion thread with loctav and it seems we are having the same mappool for the gf as well. (refer to mappool discussion for more detail, I guess)D e s wrote:
I hope there is new mappool for the Grand Final next week
That's like super dumb.Kii- wrote:
I don't think there is. I already clarified it again on the mappool discussion thread with loctav and it seems we are having the same mappool for the gf as well.D e s wrote:
I hope there is new mappool for the Grand Final next week
Japan could possibly play the same map pool 5 times (against USA, Korea, Germany and Poland twice in grand finals)...
Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they
Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
KRZY wrote:
Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they
Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
farto underperformed due to some problems with tablet.
WWW arrived shortly before the match started and had little time for a warm up.
If everything works well next time, we shouldn't be an easy prey.
I don't really want to belittle ztrot's commentating skills (again), but his knowledge about the game, maps, players is scarce (as we could see in our match). I'd love some expert to accompany him. Raiku or Jesse would be my picks.
Just please do this, ztrot is good at releasing the tension between the audience and the commentators, but we need someone who knows what is going on.
Just please do this, ztrot is good at releasing the tension between the audience and the commentators, but we need someone who knows what is going on.
Yup. ztrot is kinda like the shoutcaster, responsible for hyping and general stuffs but not necessary too game related commentary while raiku or jesse or some other commentator takes care of the more in depth analysis. I think that would be ideal.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I don't really want to belittle ztrot's commentating skills (again), but his knowledge about the game, maps, players is scarce (as we could see in our match). I'd love some expert to accompany him. Raiku or Jesse would be my picks.
Just please do this, ztrot is good at releasing the tension between the audience and the commentators, but we need someone who knows what is going on.
Ztrot was funny trying to pronounce Amai's name, sounded like he was trying to do a kamehameha (but seriously Ztrot, Japanese is like one of the most phonetic languages)
There did seem to be a lot of breaks and fails in the finals. I am hoping for ruruchi and Japan to blitz though and win the tournament~
(but seriously Ztrot, Japanese is like one of the most phonetic languages)There did seem to be a lot of breaks and fails in the finals. I am hoping for ruruchi and Japan to blitz though and win the tournament~
Maybe they underperformed today because of some problems like Amai said, but still KRZY you had your chance already with your team against Poland but you failed soKRZY wrote:
Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they
Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
rip america
sadest day 12/6/14
sadest day 12/6/14
All true, don't get me wrong, Poland and Germany deserved to be there. Was just trying to point out that both teams really should have produced better scores than they did on that winner's bracket final, and Amai sorta explained why they underperformed lolxAsylum wrote:
Maybe they underperformed today because of some problems like Amai said, but still KRZY you had your chance already with your team against Poland but you failed soKRZY wrote:
Poland and Germany heavily underperformed didn't they
Japan/Korea would have beaten them easy...better bring your A game next week Europe
We are fucked
Holorin
It's not only rrt. Guy and especially Mecurius are doing a great job.Oppai Neko wrote:
Seeing Rttyui this consistent, yeah u guys should be worriedAmaiHachimitsu wrote:
We are fucked
RIP Tommany. U will be avenged (or not) by WWWLand
Everyone from jp is facking op atm. 2-3 players with fc or really high combos. You can't point anyone but I guess we can point rrt as safe Fc maker and Merc as his main backup but the rest is also really consistent
Holorin
Of course it was not a one man show, but he was the most consistent one. Poruteri carried hard the 1st map, Serea and Mercurius all contributed greatly.[-Cloud-] wrote:
It's not only rrt. Guy and especially Mecurius are doing a great job.
Oh damn am I excited for the grand final. Are we going to have another mappool?
I hope not. The actual mappool is extremely hard already. I love the Tiebreaker aswell. <3
Give us a good match Poland
Give us a great one
One you won't regret
Give us a great one
One you won't regret
KRZY wrote:
Give us a good match Poland
Give us a great one
One you won't regret
Don't do it Chris, suicide is not the way to go!Makan1 wrote:
you know Horo is ready and waiting if you guys winKRZY wrote:
Give us a good match Poland
Give us a great one
One you won't regret
just keep that in mind
not that you should throw the match or anything...
Really i wish good luck to Poland, because wow they will need it!
Japan was so good and seemed really strong. Will be really tough to beat them even with 2 attempts.
Japan was so good and seemed really strong. Will be really tough to beat them even with 2 attempts.
that WWW expression so tense
Topic Starter
Schedule is out