EGOIST - Fallen (TV Edit) [Osu|Taiko] · forum

PatZar

Joined March 2013

PatZar 2014-10-25T08:33:41+00:00

hi q00t

[q!%!%!!t's oni]
00:10:809 (4) - k? because 00:13:296 (15) - ?
00:04:747 (18) - d?
00:29:307 (51) - d?
01:29:695 (4) - d?

sorry short mod

qoot8123

1,500 posts

Joined March 2011

qoot8123 2014-10-25T13:19:51+00:00

Genocide wrote:
hi q00t

[q!%!%!!t's oni]
00:10:809 (4) - k? because 00:13:296 (15) - ?
00:04:747 (18) - d?
00:29:307 (51) - d? keep this , i prefer using kkkkd ><
01:29:695 (4) - d? don is too heavy to me , so kept it

sorry short mod

thanks for mod

Oni

osu file format v13

[General]
AudioFilename: a83c979aa0.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 2000
PreviewTime: 52157
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 1
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 86043
DistanceSpacing: 0.8
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 2.2

[Metadata]
Title:Fallen (TV size ver.)
TitleUnicode:Fallen (TV size ver.)
Artist:EGOIST
ArtistUnicode:EGOIST
Creator:tutuhaha
Version:qoot8123's Oni
Source:
Tags:Psycho-pass ending ryo supercell qoot8123
BeatmapID:518203
BeatmapSetID:221216

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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples
//Background Colour Transformations
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DakeDekaane

osu! Alumni

3,500 posts

Joined February 2012

DakeDekaane 2014-10-27T05:18:41+00:00

Summoned by qoot some days ago =w=

[

Oni]
01:01:794 (224,225,226,227,228) - Maybe make this a kddkk? I think it could play nicely after the kd kd. What you have is nice too, just giving my opinion

[

Muzukashii]
00:16:405 (18) - Considering your vocal mapping this note is a bit weird and wouldn't hurt to remove it.
00:18:271 (20,21) - ^
00:53:245 (114) - This note could play better in 00:52:934 due vocals.
00:54:022 (118) - This could play better in 00:54:177 for the same reason
00:55:732 (126) - Like in 00:53:245 (114).
01:01:328 (155,156,157,158) - This plays a bit weird considering the beats in the song, using a k k k in 3/4 would fit better imo, probably removing the 1/4 triple after that to not make it too hard.

I feel the difficulties a bit hard, like 00:49:670 (97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107), and 01:28:530 (1,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - in Muzukashii, while difficulties are fine themselves, I'd suggest you to remove or simplify a bit both difficulties, also patterns like 00:56:353 (129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136). Obviously you'll need to do similar simplifications in Oni to not hurt the spread too much.

Let me know what you will do and I'll come back.

qoot8123

1,500 posts

Joined March 2011

qoot8123 2014-10-27T07:25:31+00:00

DakeDekaane wrote:
Summoned by qoot some days ago =w=

[ Oni]
01:01:794 (224,225,226,227,228) - Maybe make this a kddkk? I think it could play nicely after the kd kd. What you have is nice too, just giving my opinion well, current one is fine to me, so kept this

[ Muzukashii]
00:16:405 (18) - Considering your vocal mapping this note is a bit weird and wouldn't hurt to remove it. fixed
00:18:271 (20,21) - ^ fixed
00:53:245 (114) - This note could play better in 00:52:934 due vocals. fixed
00:54:022 (118) - This could play better in 00:54:177 for the same reason i want to keep the snare sound on 00:52:778 (111,114,117,120) - , so kept this
00:55:732 (126) - Like in 00:53:245 (114). fixed
01:01:328 (155,156,157,158) - This plays a bit weird considering the beats in the song, using a k k k in 3/4 would fit better imo, probably removing the 1/4 triple after that to not make it too hard. change to 3/4 pattern but kept the 1/4 pattern

I feel the difficulties a bit hard, like 00:49:670 (97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107), and 01:28:530 (1,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - in Muzukashii, while difficulties are fine themselves, I'd suggest you to remove or simplify a bit both difficulties, also patterns like 00:56:353 (129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136). Obviously you'll need to do similar simplifications in Oni to not hurt the spread too much. remove 00:50:136 - ,01:29:540 - and 01:29:695 -

Let me know what you will do and I'll come back.

thanks for mod

Muzu

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DakeDekaane

osu! Alumni

3,500 posts

Joined February 2012

DakeDekaane 2014-11-03T08:32:44+00:00

oops, sorry for the late, recheck

[

Oni]
I'll just suggest to remove a few notes in Oni to improve spread a bit
00:29:229 (50) or 00:29:385 (52)
00:54:100 (169) -
01:03:271 (236) - Probably this one too.
01:26:431 (395) - or 01:26:587 (397) -

[

Muzukashii]
00:49:980 - How about doing something like this instead? It'd fit better with drums imo.

01:11:431 (205,206) - k d would fit better here imo
01:22:623 (257) - This note should be in a 3/4 rhythm, like in the beginning.

That'd be all.

Shiranai

2,186 posts

Joined August 2012

Shiranai 2014-11-03T08:39:27+00:00

Helloooo from my queue~

[Easy]

It doesn't sounds right imo if this part 00:00:550 - until 00:05:214 - not hitsounded, so my sugestion:
00:00:550 (1) - How about add whistle on tail?
00:01:483 (2) - Same ^
00:03:659 (2) - Add whistle on head, reverse, and tail
00:18:892 (2) - Add whistle on tail and add green line then set the volume 30~40%
00:45:006 (1) - Add finish on head? for consistency with 00:42:519 (1) - and 00:46:250 (2) -
01:17:649 (3) - Add finish on tail

[Normal]

Also same, It doesn't sounds right imo if this part 00:00:550 - until 00:07:701 - not hitsounded, my sugestion:
00:00:550 (1) - Add whistle on tail
00:01:483 (2) - Same ^
00:02:727 (1) - Add whistle on tail
00:04:281 (3) - Add whistle on head
00:04:903 (4) - Same ^
00:05:835 (1) - Add whistle? here also on head 00:07:079 (3) -
00:16:405 (2,1) - I think the whistle on sound on (1)'s head is better to placed on (2)'s tail and also how about add whistle on 00:18:892 (3,5) -
00:42:519 (1) - Add finish on head
00:45:006 (1) - Same
01:18:426 (4) - Add finish on head

[Hard]

00:00:240 (1,2,3) - I am not sure about that rhythm what are you follow to, It's not fit the vocal or the guitar backsound
Also same, It doesn't sounds right imo if this part 00:00:550 - until 00:07:701 - not hitsounded
00:16:872 (3,4) - I think the whistle on sound on (4) is better to placed on (3)'s tail
00:24:799 (3,1,2,3) - That rhythm not fit imo, cause you miss clap here 00:25:421 - maybe you should try diffrent rhythm
00:45:006 (1) - Add finish on head
00:50:447 (2) - Add clap on tail to fit more the drum sound
00:51:224 (1) - Add clap on head
01:17:183 (1) - Add finish on head
01:18:426 (6) - Add finish

[Insane]

Also same, It doesn't sounds right imo if this part 00:00:550 - until 00:07:701 - not hitsounded
00:19:359 (3) - Add reverse to extend the slider up here 00:19:980 - I hear the piano song still playing faintly
00:45:006 (1) - Add finish on head
00:50:602 (4) - Add clap on head
01:17:183 (1) - Add finish on head
01:22:312 (1,2) - I'm not sure about those two

[]
Sorry I can't mod extra
Good luck then

qoot8123

1,500 posts

Joined March 2011

qoot8123 2014-11-03T14:38:22+00:00

DakeDekaane wrote:
oops, sorry for the late, recheck

[ Oni]
I'll just suggest to remove a few notes in Oni to improve spread a bit
00:29:229 (50) or 00:29:385 (52)
00:54:100 (169) -
01:03:271 (236) - Probably this one too.
01:26:431 (395) - or 01:26:587 (397) -

only remove 01:03:271 (236) -, i usually follow the vocal's long tone on 00:53:089 (160,161,162) - ,00:53:556 (164,165,166) - and 00:54:022 (168,169,170,171,172) - .And 01:25:887 (390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399,400) - is a good flow imo.

[ Muzukashii]
00:49:980 - How about doing something like this instead? It'd fit better with drums imo.

01:11:431 (205,206) - k d would fit better here imo Kept this, i found that the drum sound is heavy on 01:11:431 - 01:11:431 -
01:22:623 (257) - This note should be in a 3/4 rhythm, like in the beginning. yeah, you are right but the song's timbre is different, and the vocal's sound is louder than drum,so i think it is fine

That'd be all.

Thanks for recheck

Muzu

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tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-03T21:48:36+00:00

update the change

DakeDekaane

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DakeDekaane 2014-11-04T06:33:20+00:00

Don-chan looks happy

Difficulties may look a bit hard, but they're fine due the song's intensity.

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-15T06:45:47+00:00

@Mako Sakata: Agree some hisound about finish and clap, thankyou but no more whistle too noise ;-;..
@hhkkyy: 同意一拳打爆混音师，妈蛋前面那个地方有个地方听起来跟卡机一模一样简直要死，有些地方没跟vocal或者没跟钢琴音是因为打起来更好玩这样<P...嘛..就是这么任性！(不对) 改了一点，谢谢
@liangv587: 颜色还好啦满符合BG的我觉得，恩大概！1.5x用在这个tv里面感觉有点没大必要所以..
@liuyiqiangbu: 改了一点，但是果然听起来像是卡机那块为了不让他更吵所以还是不加clap了吧！而且连打这块就我来说空拍用蓝线节奏还不如一溜打下去爽快点...顺便一说因为我不怎么喜欢overlap所以有关建议就..
@Midge: Fix some, thankyou, and please dont wrong about my blankt, they are bad (๑ŐдŐ)b, but some "bad blankt" is intentionally because I think it will have more fun to play so ╮(╯▽╰)╭
@Julie: Thank you for telling me about letterbox I always forget that, fix some thankyou
@-Mo-: change some but no more overlap ;-;！
@pkk: about hitsound, I really think it is fine orz..change some and thank you for your modding (๑ŐдŐ)b！

blissfulyoshi

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blissfulyoshi 2014-11-18T05:51:09+00:00

Garven asked me to help with the video http://puu.sh/cVvPN/df17bd60dd.avi . Please tell me if anything is wrong with it. (Sorry it is not 720p, the video requires a very high bitrate, making it near impossible for me to make a decent 720p vid with the current filesize limit)

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2014-11-18T20:34:03+00:00

Go!!

Fallen:
00:34:126 (2,3,4) - Not entire sure what this is following
00:48:115 (4,5,6) - You can easily avoid this overlap

Insane:
00:36:302 (1,2) - This is a huge consistency issue. You're having a map with a bunch of rhythmic stuff and then out of nowhere two of these sliders
01:29:618 (6) - I'd prefer a hitsound or something here to emphasize it

Hard
00:12:675 (1) - Blehhh

Easy:
this spacing. . . is so weird

call me back onee-chan

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-18T21:09:28+00:00

@blissfulyoshi: Thankyou so much and Garven >3<

CDFA wrote:
Go!! Yeah！

Hard
00:12:675 (1) - Blehhh ahahahah...it play fine so keep it <P..

expect this one, all fix, Thankyou~

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2014-11-18T22:44:38+00:00

one thing

The hardest diff:
00:34:203 (2,3) - The rhythm here is a little bit odd, because the backing soundtrack goes like http://puu.sh/cWnx3/1c706c9832.jpg , and you're not really mapping to that. Unless your intention is to not map to that.

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-18T23:12:01+00:00

CDFA wrote:
one thing

The hardest diff:
00:34:203 (2,3) - The rhythm here is a little bit odd, because the backing soundtrack goes like http://puu.sh/cWnx3/1c706c9832.jpg , and you're not really mapping to that. Unless your intention is to not map to that.

fix with another way, Thanks again

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2014-11-18T23:31:47+00:00

I like how I said I wasn't gonna mod hybrid maps but uhhh

Taiko icon by DakeDekaane

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2014-11-18T23:40:23+00:00

Actually wait a second I'm retarded.

I thought the metadata was right but then I looked at the video, and it didn't have the (TV Size)

and then I looked on vgmdb and

http://vgmdb.net/album/47766

Also, you should put the anime name into the source.

Sorry about that

qoot8123

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qoot8123 2014-11-19T01:39:33+00:00

@tutuhaha 順便幫我移動一下太鼓Bg的位置

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-19T13:39:36+00:00

ok update~

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2014-11-19T19:37:30+00:00

Almost

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-19T21:50:02+00:00

CDFA wrote:

Almost

get it orz

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2014-11-20T04:18:42+00:00

Giving the bubble back

Kyouren

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Kyouren 2014-11-21T15:19:13+00:00

Popped: Source is correct: サイコパス 2 or PSYCHO-PASS 2

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-21T20:49:21+00:00

I will keep that until the second bat come and check this map /-\

Flask

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Flask 2014-11-22T07:16:02+00:00

[General]

Change the source to what gokugohan12468 just pointed out (I'd prefer the second one)
No custom combo colours?

[Fallen]

00:25:732 (7) - Since the spacing changes, I'd recommend you to add a new combo here to show the difference. (Same thing goes for 00:30:550 (7) - )
01:11:431 (4,5) - These two objects are the way to crowded imo, perhaps re-place them with a larget spacing? Like this or so. Btw, I'd suggest you to add a clap on (4)'s sliderhead.

[Insane]

00:30:084 (1,2) - Kind of dangerous pattern here, the slider-reverse of (2) might be invisible since it was be hidden by (1). Better to re-adjust this pattern to make it safer.

[Normal]

01:29:462 (6) - Use a 1/2 slider instead of a note then you can follow the sound at 01:29:618 - ?

[Easy]

00:05:214 (1,1) - I'm not sure if this is acceptable or not, since there's a rule called we can't put something too soon after a spinner. Suggest you to remove the second spinner, and extend the first spinner to 00:08:944 - instead

call me back

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-22T07:40:19+00:00

Flask wrote:
[General]
Change the source to what gokugohan12468 just pointed out (I'd prefer the second one)
No custom combo colours?
Default colours is good enough I think <3

[Fallen]
00:25:732 (7) - Since the spacing changes, I'd recommend you to add a new combo here to show the difference. (Same thing goes for 00:30:550 (7) - )
01:11:431 (4,5) - These two objects are the way to crowded imo, perhaps re-place them with a larget spacing? Like this or so. Btw, I'd suggest you to add a clap on (4)'s sliderhead.
[Insane]
00:30:084 (1,2) - Kind of dangerous pattern here, the slider-reverse of (2) might be invisible since it was be hidden by (1). Better to re-adjust this pattern to make it safer.
[Normal]
01:29:462 (6) - Use a 1/2 slider instead of a note then you can follow the sound at 01:29:618 - ?
[Easy]
00:05:214 (1,1) - I'm not sure if this is acceptable or not, since there's a rule called we can't put something too soon after a spinner. Suggest you to remove the second spinner, and extend the first spinner to 00:08:944 - instead
call me back

Fix all
Thankyou flask~
说真的你真的应该在签名里写点啥每次看你签名都有一种点点点的冲动
就算只是单纯的今天天气真好！！

Flask

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Flask 2014-11-22T08:40:49+00:00

今天天氣真好

Natsu

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Natsu 2014-11-22T08:42:31+00:00

lol I'm late.. anyways congrats T-T

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-22T08:43:47+00:00

自己做的hard当然要自己杠！

Natsu wrote:
lol I'm late.. anyways congrats T-T

still thank you natsu >3<

PatZar

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PatZar 2014-11-22T09:32:25+00:00

Wwwwww congrazt

Zero__wind

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Zero__wind 2014-11-22T09:47:11+00:00

Flask wrote:
今天天氣真好

这么快就rank了太可怕了
我想起来应该拿bg骗个kd的

dornrjqnrdl

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dornrjqnrdl 2014-11-22T10:38:01+00:00

I LOVE this SONG!!!! Thanks

Veemon

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Veemon 2014-11-22T16:26:19+00:00

congratz!

Mafumafu

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Mafumafu 2014-11-23T05:29:16+00:00

Gratz!!

Plz make more BL related maps! xD

spboxer3

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spboxer3 2014-11-23T09:33:51+00:00

我曾經懷疑就算沒了pending版2ha還是會有泡圖
直到今日我仍然堅信著。

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-23T16:36:01+00:00

spboxer3 wrote:
我曾經懷疑就算沒了pending版2ha還是會有泡圖
直到今日我仍然堅信著。

（○｀ 3′○）不要以为我不敢揍你我真的敢的！

Shiro

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Shiro 2014-11-28T14:15:54+00:00

hello
sorry but i have to unrank this for the following reasons

[Fallen]
00:01:328 (1,2,3,4) - 00:13:763 (1,2,3,4) - these offbeat sliders go completely against the song by overlooking the strongest beats at these parts
00:25:654 (6,1) - 00:30:395 (5,6,1) - Surprising, confusing and unexpected spacing. Nothing in the song even supports that.
00:29:929 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - not following any rhythm while sliding over the downbeat. Correct rhythm would be something like http://puu.sh/d434N/967a6334f2.jpg
00:51:224 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again, nonsense spacing with (4,5). Also this is a pain to play. The sliders should be separated visually to make this easier to play
00:56:509 (3,4,5) - Confusing and surprising.

[Insane]
00:18:892 (1,2,3) - Barely audible.
00:24:799 (1,2) - Kickslider on 1/4 tick that is not properly spaced. that is surprising and unreadable, please change it

[Normal]
00:07:778 (1,1) - not enough recovery time between spinner and following notes

There are also concerns about the size of the background (that could be easily reduced) and the quality of the video

tutuhaha

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tutuhaha 2014-11-28T15:51:03+00:00

Shiro wrote:
hello
sorry but i have to unrank this for the following reasons

[Fallen]
00:01:328 (1,2,3,4) - 00:13:763 (1,2,3,4) - these offbeat sliders go completely against the song by overlooking the strongest beats at these partsthose slider are been following by Vocal, it begin on red line maybe is “offbeat” but it was following the rhythm
00:25:654 (6,1) - 00:30:395 (5,6,1) - Surprising, confusing and unexpected spacing. Nothing in the song even supports that. it try to stress the rhythm, yep is following the rhythm for a strong vocal change
00:29:929 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - not following any rhythm while sliding over the downbeat. Correct rhythm would be something like http://puu.sh/d434N/967a6334f2.jpg is following the rhythm for the Background music, that strong voice
00:51:224 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again, nonsense spacing with (4,5). Also this is a pain to play. The sliders should be separated visually to make this easier to play ok
00:56:509 (3,4,5) - Confusing and surprising. no, for stress

[Insane]
00:18:892 (1,2,3) - Barely audible.well if you want
00:24:799 (1,2) - Kickslider on 1/4 tick that is not properly spaced. that is surprising and unreadable, please change it well if you want

[Normal]
00:07:778 (1,1) - not enough recovery time between spinner and following notes I oftenly do this on my map I think is ok

There are also concerns about the size of the background (that could be easily reduced) and the quality of the video

has litter meeting with shiro

09:36 tutuhaha: so :O what is unrank reasons？
09:36 tutuhaha: any thing break rule already？
09:37 Shiro: read the short mod
09:37 Shiro: they are listed
09:38 tutuhaha: but those no break rule I think？
09:38 Shiro: that doesnt mean its good
09:38 Shiro: unranks dont only happen because something breaks rules
09:39 tutuhaha: hmmm....so this mod is only for what you think or the most qat think about that
09:39 Shiro: i... suppose ?
09:39 Shiro: that does not mean you can ignore it
09:39 Shiro: if you ignore it, the map wont be reranked
09:40 tutuhaha: because the things you are talking about most of people acceptable and understand why :o
09:40 tutuhaha: ofc I check your mod first
09:41 Shiro: they are not good
09:41 Shiro: thats the problem
09:41 Shiro: especially the offbeat sliders, those couldnt be any more wrong
09:41 Shiro: do you have any idea about rhythms or do you just place things without a plan ? :(
09:42 tutuhaha: ofc I have idea rhythms :O, this is why I making map and people like it :o
09:43 Shiro: your rhythms are bad in 99% of your maps
09:43 Shiro: :|
09:43 Shiro: people like them because they are difficult
09:43 Shiro: either way
09:43 Shiro: do you know what a strong beat is
09:43 Shiro: in a song
09:44 tutuhaha: when someone think "you rhythms are no be acceptable" just because they dont have same style
09:45 Shiro: thats not how it works
09:45 tutuhaha: no one said "remap please" when they are mod this map
09:45 Shiro: you cant justify ignoring the most important beats in a song saying "its my style"
09:45 Shiro: im not asking you to remap
09:45 Shiro: look at the unrank mod and fix those things, it wont cost you any effort
09:45 Shiro: and it will improve the map massively
09:49 tutuhaha: but the problem I only would like to fix like two things in your mod
09:50 Shiro: thats not going to do
09:50 tutuhaha: for insane part
09:50 Shiro: if there are things you dont understand, ill explain
09:50 tutuhaha: yep this is why I am talking with you here
09:50 Shiro: but you *need* to fix the offbeat sliders
09:50 Shiro: i dont understand how you even think they are correct
09:52 tutuhaha: because when I get mod from normal person they never taking the that you are taking about
09:53 Shiro: because they are *normal people* and mostly have no idea about mapping, modding and most important music
09:53 Shiro: when you play those sliders does it seriously feel right to you ?
09:55 tutuhaha: oh when I find test player they never said those part too
09:55 Shiro: because PLAYERS have no clue about actual rhythm theory
09:55 Shiro: they dont give a shit what plays well or not
09:55 Shiro: if they can fc, its ok
09:55 Shiro: if they cant, they will find excuses
09:55 Shiro: you cant trust players with testplays
09:56 Shiro: you need to ask experienced modders and mappers
09:56 tutuhaha: well, then who should I trust
09:56 Shiro: the problem with players is
09:56 Shiro: they wont point out problems that they can play
09:56 Shiro: they will only point out the things they struggled with
09:56 Shiro: everyone can play those offbeat sliders but no one will point out the fact they are uncomfortable and off
09:56 tutuhaha: Natsu is very good player and modder right？he dont say anything about those part
09:57 tutuhaha: and Flask also CDFA
09:57 tutuhaha: why they dont said that？
09:57 Shiro: i wouldnt consider any of those three competent enough to point out that kind of issue
09:58 Shiro: they dont care about actual rhythms
09:58 Shiro: they mod maps to make them rankable
09:58 Shiro: yours was rankable alright, save for that slider in Insane
09:58 Shiro: but those problems that were pointed out by the QAT are that: quality issues
09:58 Shiro: things that make the map worse than it could have been
09:58 tutuhaha: haha then who is “experienced modder”
09:58 Shiro: that BATs generally dont point out
09:59 Shiro: QATs mostly
09:59 Shiro: im extremely disappointed in the BAT honestly but thats another question
10:00 Shiro: do you really not understand why these offbeat sliders are a problem ?
10:00 tutuhaha: yep
10:00 tutuhaha: I cant get the point, sorry
10:00 Shiro: okay
10:00 Shiro: when you play them
10:01 Shiro: do they honestly feel perfect to you ?
10:01 tutuhaha: yep
10:01 tutuhaha: I think is fine
10:01 Shiro: ...
10:01 tutuhaha: stress you know
10:01 Shiro: so
10:01 Shiro: the stress on these sliders
10:02 Shiro: is entirely wrong
10:02 Shiro: their slider end
10:02 Shiro: which is not clicked
10:02 Shiro: ends on the strongest beats in the song
10:02 Shiro: which are the ones that should be clicked
10:02 Shiro: so the player is left clicking on nothing
10:02 Shiro: and ignoring the beats they would intuitively click
10:02 Shiro: which makes those sliders play wrong
10:02 tutuhaha: so
10:02 tutuhaha: the problem is
10:03 tutuhaha: is only you think this play style is wrong？or most of people think it is wrong
10:03 tutuhaha: this is about different play style
10:03 Shiro: its not that i think
10:03 Shiro: or anyone thinks
10:03 Shiro: thats just how it is
10:03 Shiro: o.O
10:04 tutuhaha: I think is play fine because this is what map I choose to play
10:04 Shiro: if you move those sliders 1/2 forward or backwards
10:04 Shiro: they will be MUCH BETTER
10:04 Shiro: im not questioning the slider choice
10:04 Shiro: im questioning their placement in the timeline
10:06 tutuhaha: wait second, breakfast time, I hope you can find some another QAT taking about those, because we have1 different idea and this is a time to let another people think about that
10:06 Shiro: it has already been agreed on by QATs
10:06 Shiro: :|
10:11 tutuhaha: damn :I who was him
10:11 Shiro: there were several
10:11 Shiro: just please change them
10:11 Shiro: you will notice
10:12 Shiro: how much better they feel
10:12 Shiro: like thats the major issue in the map

Kinomi

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Kinomi 2014-11-28T17:15:48+00:00

i am baka

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tutuhaha 2014-11-28T19:01:54+00:00

哎呦我喜欢这表情！

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