Lmao, this is gold. We'll be sure to stay on par with delivering little girls. Do not worry.fartownik wrote:
So guys, while BD was doing his calculations about star rating, I've done my own research about this year's and previous year's group stage mappool.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
I hope this can illuminate some issues about this year's picks.
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hm having one or two <2 min maps wouldn't be bad at all for more strategic picks, since shorter maps often lead to making combo breaks having a higher impact since there's less recovery time.
there is red like roses, which is, combo wise, a short map.
and some maps which barely reach 2 minutes
and some maps which barely reach 2 minutes
Well most of the new maps use little girls as a background but I don't see any reason why it should be that way. If this statistical data really creates a correlation then we might have to do something about it XDfartownik wrote:
So guys, while BD was doing his calculations about star rating, I've done my own research about this year's and previous year's group stage mappool.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
I hope this can illuminate some issues about this year's picks.
I think it's ridiculous how one team can ban all the hard rock with both of their map bans or same with Hidden. I believe there should be more maps in each category so the strategy would actually be to get rid of the maps they don't like rather than just getting rid of a mod in general. It's stupid that a team could just suck at HD and ban both hd picks and be totally fine. I hope the later pools have 5+ in each of HR and HD pools. Free mod barely counts because you rarely see quad fc's and when people use mods in free mod it usually ends up not mattering or costing them.
uhm.. there are 3 maps in each modpool, not 2. and being able to ban 2 out of 3 is called tactics.
The feel of getting 0-4'd
jk it was a fun game austria
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jk it was a fun game austria
/I feel bad for doing it this year where you guys actually have a chance. :<Pizzicato wrote:
The feel of getting 0-4'd
jk it was a fun game austria
gg wp
The seeding could have been a little...better.Omgforz wrote:
I feel bad for doing it this year where you guys actually have a chance. :<
Topic Starter
Mappool is out
stars>5.20 stars<5.40
So that's how they're selecting maps.
So that's how they're selecting maps.
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They told me that they dont even pay attention to that, lolLach wrote:
stars>5.20 stars<5.40
So that's how they're selecting maps.
Music Revolver was a HR pick last year in best of 16, why is it a HD pick this year? You'd assume the general skill level has risen, not fallen...
please, hd much harderKaoru wrote:
Music Revolver was a HR pick last year in best of 16, why is it a HD pick this year? You'd assume the general skill level has risen, not fallen...
@2014, year of DT
It's kinda strange though. The map brackets are weirdly close together.Loctav wrote:
They told me that they dont even pay attention to that, lolLach wrote:
stars>5.20 stars<5.40
So that's how they're selecting maps.
Need to check how many little girls are in the backgrounds...
I count 19. There's a few maps with 2 girls
Make sure you also counted buried ones
LMAO KRZY
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing counted little girls again, seems like the tendency is slowly going down, we're on a good way to avoid the crisis
I was going to do the star rating analysis but the little girls one is so much better that mine lost my purpose
Whoa, sellenite's map barely ranked a few days ago.
Izayoi Sakura HD.
Hope you can play jumps with HD hehe, inb4 99% with 1~10 misses.
Lechenaultia, enjoy your sliderbreaks
Hope you can play jumps with HD hehe, inb4 99% with 1~10 misses.
Lechenaultia, enjoy your sliderbreaks
dem starz
Cherry Blossom wrote:
Lechenaultia, enjoy your sliderbreaks
Enjoy your sleep
got really disappointed of hr bracket, all of the maps are just about random big spacing and some curve patterns |:
but seems like its hard to find a lvl of hr maps for round of 16s, i will be really excited to see the quarter-finals mappool though
also wanted to meantion that the last nomod map is total W T F
overall i dislike the amount of those curveashell/unrankableoroverlapped sliders in the maps. i do really like to play maps which are mapped well and must say previous year was much better from that ~mapping side. i felt somehow disgusting while playing some of those maps honestly and since this is a discussion thread i'd like to share my impressions, nothing more, nothing less~
but seems like its hard to find a lvl of hr maps for round of 16s, i will be really excited to see the quarter-finals mappool though
also wanted to meantion that the last nomod map is total W T F
overall i dislike the amount of those curveashell/unrankableoroverlapped sliders in the maps. i do really like to play maps which are mapped well and must say previous year was much better from that ~mapping side. i felt somehow disgusting while playing some of those maps honestly and since this is a discussion thread i'd like to share my impressions, nothing more, nothing less~
Some of the No mods maps are going to be full of chokes everywhere...
Also there is no mappack for RO16?
Also there is no mappack for RO16?
This was one is also good enough with various types of maps, apart from a big bunch of reused maps once again.
Megpoid GUMI & Kagamine Rin - Invisible
P*Light - Poppin' Shower
Blackhole - Lagomorphic
Zeami - Music Revolver
Hatsune Miku - Hiatus (? don't remember exactly)
I've seen and played all these in previous OWCs and it's not exactly fun to play them again and again
P.S. Someone should make statistics of reused maps
Megpoid GUMI & Kagamine Rin - Invisible
P*Light - Poppin' Shower
Blackhole - Lagomorphic
Zeami - Music Revolver
Hatsune Miku - Hiatus (? don't remember exactly)
I've seen and played all these in previous OWCs and it's not exactly fun to play them again and again
P.S. Someone should make statistics of reused maps
There's so many maps added each year, and even more maps that haven't been used in OWC. I don't see why we have to reuse anyKert wrote:
This was one is also good enough with various types of maps, apart from a big bunch of reused maps once again.
Megpoid GUMI & Kagamine Rin - Invisible
P*Light - Poppin' Shower
Blackhole - Lagomorphic
Zeami - Music Revolver
Hatsune Miku - Hiatus (? don't remember exactly)
I've seen and played all these in previous OWCs and it's not exactly fun to play them again and again
P.S. Someone should make statistics of reused maps
I really get the feeling that they are picking random jump maps for HR which is really odd considering HR is an accuracy/reading mod first and an aim mod second (at least in my opinion).Aka wrote:
got really disappointed of hr bracket, all of the maps are just about random big spacing and some curve patterns |:
but seems like its hard to find a lvl of hr maps for round of 16s, i will be really excited to see the quarter-finals mappool though
Edit: I guess the sellenite map is the only one that's super jump focused but I still agree with your point overall. Hopefully next round we see some more interesting HR maps.
While I certainly agree that HR is accuracy-heavy, it's really not a reading mod at the OWC level. I highly doubt that anyone competing in the Round of 16 has trouble reading AR10.chainpullz wrote:
HR is an accuracy/reading mod first and an aim mod second (at least in my opinion).
Some information on reused maps for each OWC using the list provided by Nwolf (in pics)
That's all of my kinda rant here. Don't take it personal though, I am not blaming someone in particular
Just asking you to, please, rethink what are you doing
Thanks for reading
- Your regular OWC participant Kert.
pixx
OWC #2
Looks probably acceptable
But not so cool anymore because diffs are used in exactly the same way (except one map stopped being a tiebraker)
OWC #3
What the h e l l
How creative it is to reuse 15 maps from the previous OWC including 2 which were used every year??
I swear osu! already had atleast a few thousand other beatmaps to choose from during that time
OWC 2013
OH MY GAHD
Reused 15 maps from the previous year again and then 5 more maps from OWC #2 and one from OWC #1
Where are we going?
Alice map was reused and yet no changes (was HR previous year - HR again. hi! different maps)
I can only agree that forza map reuse could be kind of cool because there's really a lot of time between OWC #1 and OWC 2013 and also it became HR pick
Apart from that one ^ the progressive use of already used maps becomes pretty bad if you ask me
OWC 2014
It's only 1/16 and there is already 12 reused maps
Are we going to have 30-36 reused maps this year with this saddening pace?
Please, don't. I really hope you aren't planning to do it
As of today osu! has more than ~5000 maps that can be downloaded from website (ranked section). Even more exist beyond april 2011.
You definetly can find some other hidden gems inside this huge collection. Don't lie
Looks probably acceptable
But not so cool anymore because diffs are used in exactly the same way (except one map stopped being a tiebraker)
OWC #3
What the h e l l
How creative it is to reuse 15 maps from the previous OWC including 2 which were used every year??
I swear osu! already had atleast a few thousand other beatmaps to choose from during that time
OWC 2013
OH MY GAHD
Reused 15 maps from the previous year again and then 5 more maps from OWC #2 and one from OWC #1
Where are we going?
Alice map was reused and yet no changes (was HR previous year - HR again. hi! different maps)
I can only agree that forza map reuse could be kind of cool because there's really a lot of time between OWC #1 and OWC 2013 and also it became HR pick
Apart from that one ^ the progressive use of already used maps becomes pretty bad if you ask me
OWC 2014
It's only 1/16 and there is already 12 reused maps
Are we going to have 30-36 reused maps this year with this saddening pace?
Please, don't. I really hope you aren't planning to do it
As of today osu! has more than ~5000 maps that can be downloaded from website (ranked section). Even more exist beyond april 2011.
You definetly can find some other hidden gems inside this huge collection. Don't lie
That's all of my kinda rant here. Don't take it personal though, I am not blaming someone in particular
Just asking you to, please, rethink what are you doing
Thanks for reading
- Your regular OWC participant Kert.
I basically asked what reason there is that maps are reused in each OWC and this was the responseKert wrote:
Some information on reused maps for each OWC using the list provided by Nwolf (in pics)pixxOWC #2
Looks probably acceptable
But not so cool anymore because diffs are used in exactly the same way (except one map stopped being a tiebraker)
OWC #3
What the h e l l
How creative it is to reuse 15 maps from the previous OWC including 2 which were used every year??
I swear osu! already had atleast a few thousand other beatmaps to choose from during that time
OWC 2013
OH MY GAHD
Reused 15 maps from the previous year again and then 5 more maps from OWC #2 and one from OWC #1
Where are we going?
Alice map was reused and yet no changes (was HR previous year - HR again. hi! different maps)
I can only agree that forza map reuse could be kind of cool because there's really a lot of time between OWC #1 and OWC 2013 and also it became HR pick
Apart from that one ^ the progressive use of already used maps becomes pretty bad if you ask me
OWC 2014
It's only 1/16 and there is already 12 reused maps
Are we going to have 30-36 reused maps this year with this saddening pace?
Please, don't. I really hope you aren't planning to do it
As of today osu! has more than ~5000 maps that can be downloaded from website (ranked section). Even more exist beyond april 2011.
You definetly can find some other hidden gems inside this huge collection. Don't lie
That's all of my kinda rant here. Don't take it personal though, I am not blaming someone in particular
Just asking you to, please, rethink what are you doing
Thanks for reading
- Your regular OWC participant Kert.
GladiOol wrote:
Then you must be either naïve or stupid.buny wrote:
There's so many maps added each year, and even more maps that haven't been used in OWC. I don't see why we have to reuse any
Thanks for pointing out all maps that are reused. I will promise that Mappool Staff will lessen the re-usage of maps that were picked in previous OWCs. I personally believed that a map played with different mod has a different map taste. However it seemed that this belief of mine was just irritating bunch of you, players. Again thanks for pointing out. We will do our best to enhance the mappool. Regarding HR picks I will review my standard of HR map picking, it would be great if you guys keep on giving feedbacks this way. It helps the staff a lot in a way that it becomes a guide that tells us if we are going wrong or not. I am very sorry for all the happenings regarding mappool. We will comeback with awesome mappool
Well while I can see how it can be annoying to play the one map in more than 1 year, it really isn't something bad if there's not too much. I agree, it could be a bit less than it is now but most of the maps are using a different (or no mod) anyway so they do play a bit different. Reusing unique and outstanding maps also isn't a bad thing at all (can't rate that tho) since... well, they are unique.
Thanks for the response, ToGlette.
Meanwhile I want to propose a better mappool ((maybe for finals) in case you run out of maps)
1. These maps were never used in previous OWCs
2. The mappool offers a wide variety of mapping styles and music
3. Freemod picks allow for numerous strategies to defeat your opponent team
4. There are no little girls in maps so your children can play safely and show it to their friends
seriously
Meanwhile I want to propose a better mappool ((maybe for finals) in case you run out of maps)
1. These maps were never used in previous OWCs
2. The mappool offers a wide variety of mapping styles and music
3. Freemod picks allow for numerous strategies to defeat your opponent team
4. There are no little girls in maps so your children can play safely and show it to their friends
seriously
What's wrong with re-using good maps?
why not reuse the same map pool every year then?jesus1412 wrote:
What's wrong with re-using good maps?