Hmm, perhaps him getting the 100's made him give up and intentionally miss. Meh.[-Cloud-] wrote:
He fucked up the last stream with 100s and just gave up at the end. Stamina was never a problem for rrtyui.
Hmm, perhaps him getting the 100's made him give up and intentionally miss. Meh.[-Cloud-] wrote:
He fucked up the last stream with 100s and just gave up at the end. Stamina was never a problem for rrtyui.
Since he wanted to take #1 from cptn, yes. :pRewben2 wrote:
Hmm, perhaps him getting the 100's made him give up and intentionally miss. Meh.[-Cloud-] wrote:
He fucked up the last stream with 100s and just gave up at the end. Stamina was never a problem for rrtyui.
This describes me perfectly.Conor wrote:
I feel like shit all the time so I play this game to try and get some false sense of achievement.
It doesn't work because I'm shit.
yeah, pretty sure he gave up when his accuracy got too bad. His accuracy has never been his strong suit.[-Cloud-] wrote:
Since he wanted to take #1 from cptn, yes. :pRewben2 wrote:
Hmm, perhaps him getting the 100's made him give up and intentionally miss. Meh.
Then you have someone with over 20k+ plays and not above 50k rank who cannot pass 4 star songs.agu wrote:
you only have 14k plays, at least you're not above 50k and mediocre at the game
you're like I was with mouse. get a tablet and at least you can get to 20K...DustyFfy wrote:
Then you have someone with over 20k+ plays and not above 50k rank who cannot pass 4 star songs.agu wrote:
you only have 14k plays, at least you're not above 50k and mediocre at the game
actually, osu! is pretty pointless, but its cool so i play xDotoed1 wrote:
easy=dumb,boring,stupid, and pointlessPurple wrote:
Uh, no, not everyone has such bad mental health that it affects you in a circle-clicking game. Srsly the game has a very tall skill ceiling, if you don't have the patience to allow yourself to learn and improve, then I'd suggest taking up an easier hobby for your own well being.
to be fair, your # of total hit is fairly low, which is a more meaningful metric.DustyFfy wrote:
Then you have someone with over 20k+ plays and not above 50k rank who cannot pass 4 star songs.agu wrote:
you only have 14k plays, at least you're not above 50k and mediocre at the game
Idk how good your IRL friends are, but mine thought I was good.... when I was rank 60k and barely passing 4.5 star maps with trash tier accuracy. I'm ten times better now, at 11k, and I know that I am still shit at the game.Gumpyyy wrote:
I always feel like shit at this game. Then I remember all my IRL friends think i'm good at this so... idk.
can confirm.B1rd wrote:
you're like I was with mouse. get a tablet and at least you can get to 20K...
I thought we all really DO suck. Also, I don't think the mouse is the problem 80% of the time.byfar wrote:
can confirm.B1rd wrote:
you're like I was with mouse. get a tablet and at least you can get to 20K...
most of the time mouses have shit configurations and inbuilt acceleration
i think the best way to improve is to say that you suck but dont actually give up. for me it gives me reason to practice and shit.
Ctrl+rPichu0102 wrote:
Perfect restarts the song instantly and unceremoniously, not even acknowledging that you tried other than x retries and counting... Crushes your spirit, it does.
Narrill picked up a tablet and magically went from a 15k playcount shit tier player to a 16k playcount top 1000 master of the HD+HR. True story. Take notes.Narrill wrote:
I was terrible for the better part of two years, but within a week of picking up a tablet I was FCing maps I couldn't even pass before. The mouse might not be the problem 80% of the time, but you'll never know if you're in that 20% unless you try it.
look at LoL thoVaretyr wrote:
If it were an easy game, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't play it though
leagues difficulty works the same as osu, incredibly easy at lower levels, very hard at higher ones.buny wrote:
look at LoL thoVaretyr wrote:
If it were an easy game, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't play it though
+1, I don't understand why the dota / starcraft fanboys that say league takes no skill don't just get 4 of their friends with the same opinion and go pro, it's a pretty high salary as it has one of the biggest e-sports scenes.Riince wrote:
leagues difficulty works the same as osu, incredibly easy at lower levels, very hard at higher ones.buny wrote:
look at LoL tho
A small, but very important, fix.chainpullz wrote:
Narrill picked up a tablet and magically went from a 2k playcount shit tier player to a 16k playcount top 1000 master of the HD+HR. True story. Take notes.
Most of the time it's because League has less real time things to do than Starcraft/Dota. Let's say lol doesn't have the deny mechanic, most people on the lol forums will say that it is a stupid mechanic by logic and it makes the game more passive, but on the other hand it makes the game more skill dependent since you have to worry about last hitting AND denying AND harassing at the same time. Next we have lol's mana pools a.k.a energy etc. Some people don't accept the fact that lol is more action oriented than dota or hon and thus it has lower mana costs and very fast regen times in comparison to low mana pools and high mana costing skills in dota or hon. Then you have lol's forest/jungle buffs and etc. I would say that people hate on lol because it forgives mistakes a lot better than dota/hon. In the other two games you have to be near perfect to win a game although lol takes quite a lot of skill to win in higher rankings like platinum or diamond. Lol's learning curve is a lot better than dota's since in dota everything is thrown at you at once. If we were to get more in depth into the meta of both games action vs passive strategy then you can notice that league has A LOT less disables/hexes/slows/stuns etc. than dota. Since in dota nearly every hero has some kind of disable you can get pretty badly destroyed if you play bad but of course there are thinks like BKB which give magic immunity. Whilst league's champions have scaling magic and physical damage from items as + x bonus to the skill damage and in dota's players eyes allow for some absurd 1 second burst downs that make absolutely no sense, but when you think about it lol doesn't have any way of locking a person down so the only way to kill him is by just throwing an absurd amount of damage in a short amount of time at your target.cheezstik wrote:
+1, I don't understand why the dota / starcraft fanboys that say league takes no skill don't just get 4 of their friends with the same opinion and go pro, it's a pretty high salary as it has one of the biggest e-sports scenes.
It's not dota/starcraft looking down on league, it's dota looking down on league and starcraft looking down on everything. And when you break it down, they're all right in a relative sense; I can't really speak to dota/league, but MOBAs as a whole are just simplified RTSs, they don't hold a candle to starcraft (if I had to guess, I'd say league's popularity is actually due in large part to this relative simplicity). It's disingenuous to tell people to "just go pro" because success within the game has nothing to do with the complexity of the game and everything to do with the skill of the other players in the playerbase.cheezstik wrote:
+1, I don't understand why the dota / starcraft fanboys that say league takes no skill don't just get 4 of their friends with the same opinion and go pro, it's a pretty high salary as it has one of the biggest e-sports scenes.
League and Dota mostly have different focuses. You can argue all you want about surface complexity but it's more interesting to look at the effects of surface complexity on the rest of the game. This is a very intricate discussion and I don't care to really spend much time analyzing things at the moment so I'm pretty much going to leave it at that.FlyingKebab wrote:
Most of the time it's because League has less real time things to do than Starcraft/Dota. Let's say lol doesn't have the deny mechanic, most people on the lol forums will say that it is a stupid mechanic by logic and it makes the game more passive, but on the other hand it makes the game more skill dependent since you have to worry about last hitting AND denying AND harassing at the same time. Next we have lol's mana pools a.k.a energy etc. Some people don't accept the fact that lol is more action oriented than dota or hon and thus it has lower mana costs and very fast regen times in comparison to low mana pools and high mana costing skills in dota or hon. Then you have lol's forest/jungle buffs and etc. I would say that people hate on lol because it forgives mistakes a lot better than dota/hon. In the other two games you have to be near perfect to win a game although lol takes quite a lot of skill to win in higher rankings like platinum or diamond. Lol's learning curve is a lot better than dota's since in dota everything is thrown at you at once. If we were to get more in depth into the meta of both games action vs passive strategy then you can notice that league has A LOT less disables/hexes/slows/stuns etc. than dota. Since in dota nearly every hero has some kind of disable you can get pretty badly destroyed if you play bad but of course there are thinks like BKB which give magic immunity. Whilst league's champions have scaling magic and physical damage from items as + x bonus to the skill damage and in dota's players eyes allow for some absurd 1 second burst downs that make absolutely no sense, but when you think about it lol doesn't have any way of locking a person down so the only way to kill him is by just throwing an absurd amount of damage in a short amount of time at your target.cheezstik wrote:
+1, I don't understand why the dota / starcraft fanboys that say league takes no skill don't just get 4 of their friends with the same opinion and go pro, it's a pretty high salary as it has one of the biggest e-sports scenes.
TL;DR People who play dota think that lol's has an easier learning curve and is less complex thus they say that it is inferior. People that play lol will say that dota is overly complex and too hard and not fun to get into therefore it sucks.
are you serious?cheezstik wrote:
An outplay in dota probably consists of buying an op item to counter their not as op item, or not using more than 1 skill so you don't run out of mana.
because after the initial heroes that were about 70% copies of dota's heroes, every other hero will be built on the same concept; skillshot skillshot skillshot. this also hammers into the mentality of the player that most of the skill in moba games is simply skillshotfelicitousname wrote:
You clearly haven't seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt9X8enr1kQ
Or in when s4 in TI4 dodged a stun coming from an invisible player despite having zero warning. Or look at heroes like meepo, invoker, puck, pudge, etc.
Dota mechanics and gameplay is more complex overall. There is a lot more flexibility in laning, you aren't forced into any specific laning arrangement, idk. Most people who say that Dota is a worse game haven't played Dota before. I've actually played league, and most heroes when compared to Dota are quite generic.
Ok, now compare that play to one like this play, one of the world's best plays ever imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMIDWZdJb3wfelicitousname wrote:
You clearly haven't seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt9X8enr1kQ
Or in when s4 in TI4 dodged a stun coming from an invisible player despite having zero warning. Or look at heroes like meepo, invoker, puck, pudge, etc.
Dota mechanics and gameplay is more complex overall. There is a lot more flexibility in laning, you aren't forced into any specific laning arrangement, idk. Most people who say that Dota is a worse game haven't played Dota before. I've actually played league, and most heroes when compared to Dota are quite generic.
Yeah that play was impressive, but really, the play was activating an item and stealing a skill to counter the activated items and skills... Sure, it would be hard to decide to do that in such a tight spot / situation like that, but that play was knowledge and decision making, not reflexes / reaction / aiming. I didn't say dota takes no skill, I just said it takes a different type of skill, the skill I prefer less to league skill.buny wrote:
if you're going to compare plays, then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDaJes0T1Ig
dota 1: https://www.youtube.com/user/WoDotA
dota 2: https://www.youtube.com/user/DotaCinema
of course most of them are made in pubs, but you still need to be incredibly high skilled to pull most of the things done in these clips
Let's please not talk about overall complexity. If you aren't playing both games at the professional level then you have no place to comment on total complexity. The best us scrub players can discuss is surface complexity. There's a lot of hidden complexity to both games, and in the case of League a lot of this comes from the actual lack of surface complexity. I'd rather settle on the blanket statement that, as balanced MOBA's, they have roughly the same overall complexity. I will, however, agree to the argument that Dota is more complex on the surface.felicitousname wrote:
Dota mechanics and gameplay is more complex overall. There is a lot more flexibility in laning, you aren't forced into any specific laning arrangement, idk. Most people who say that Dota is a worse game haven't played Dota before. I've actually played league, and most heroes when compared to Dota are quite generic.
Yeah, pretty much we all suck as Osu! and we also happen to suck at MOBA's. Instead of comparing how much we suck at OSU! compared to each other we are trying to argue that sucking at one MOBA is more prestigious than sucking at another MOBA. On the surface it may look like endless bickering of dota vs. LoL but if you look underneath you will see a story of poor self esteem.Purple wrote:
A conversation about poor self esteem turns into endless bickering about dota vs LoL, how ironic
buny wrote:
look at LoL tho
gorilla warfare gets me every timeVaretyr wrote:
buny wrote:
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