No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
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No you shouldn't "either be able to single tap or stream notes because there isnt any notification saying HEY THERE'S 1/3's IN THIS MAP". if the map was any slower you probably could singletap those notes even when they're 1/3. Also, there's no reason to make a notification for 1/3's, as much as there's no reason to write a note about silly fullscreenjumps at the end of some map, or anything for that matter. You play the map, and if you didn't read it properly, then in most cases your sight-reading is just bad.
Clappy wrote:
They aren't confusing or difficult but they should be noted somewhere because when playing a map I expect the bpm to stay the same unless otherwise noted. Check this map out for example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/65923Riince wrote:
well its never going to be buffed simply on the merits of reading because tom said on his ask.fm that he doesnt find that kind of confusing bpm changes confusing or difficult
bpm listed there and the and Dake's mapping reflects the accelerando decently well imo and flows fine
That is correct however most maps are founded on the idea of single tapping and streaming. [1/2's and 1/4's] its not like the 1/3's are just thrown in there willy nilly but they're exceptionly rare. Rare to the point that, a month of supporter goes to you if can name 5 maps within 10 minutes that contain three of the following: 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's. If 5 exist in the game that are ranked.Narrill wrote:
No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
Are you joking? I can't throw them out by name, but there are dozens upon dozens of maps with 1/2s, 1/3s, and 1/4s. And even if there weren't, mapping conventions aren't sufficient to warrant notification of irregular rhythm. It's up to the player to read the rhythm, and believe you me, it's entirely readable.
so ur describing the difference between songs in common time and compound timeClappy wrote:
That is correct however most maps are founded on the idea of single tapping and streaming. [1/2's and 1/4's] its not like the 1/3's are just thrown in there willy nilly but they're exceptionly rare. Rare to the point that, a month of supporter goes to you if can name 5 maps within 10 minutes that contain three of the following: 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's. If 5 exist in the game that are ranked.Narrill wrote:
No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
I'm not saying it's not readable, but it's rare enough to the point that I feel there should be a notifaction about them as there are in other maps. It's 100% upto the player to read the rhythm but when there aren't enough maps to practice 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's there should be a notifaction about them.Narrill wrote:
Are you joking? I can't throw them out by name, but there are dozens upon dozens of maps with 1/2s, 1/3s, and 1/4s. And even if there weren't, mapping conventions aren't sufficient to warrant notification of irregular rhythm. It's up to the player to read the rhythm, and believe you me, it's entirely readable.
you're actually serious? lol.
Your feels are noted.
Not exactly an instrument player but I know enough about the game to say that 99%+ of the maps are founded on halfs and quarters or thirds and sixths. One of the few rare cases in which halfs, thirds and quarters are applicable to the song, there should be some notification about because it is out of the standard mapping convention.Apink Chorong wrote:
so ur describing the difference between songs in common time and compound time
B1rd wrote:
you're actually serious? lol.
Hey I'll extend it, 5 ranked maps with halfs, thirds, and quarters. I'll make it 24 hours. Are there actually a decent number of (ranked) maps with this convention? If so, please show me so I get something new to practice and you get your month of supporter.Narrill wrote:
Your feels are noted.
That's the thing, it's not out of standard mapping convention. It's out of most mappers' tendencies, but standard mapping convention is totally alright with non-standard rhythms. I would even go so far as to say they're a staple of high-level maps.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/145361Clappy wrote:
That is correct however most maps are founded on the idea of single tapping and streaming. [1/2's and 1/4's] its not like the 1/3's are just thrown in there willy nilly but they're exceptionly rare. Rare to the point that, a month of supporter goes to you if can name 5 maps within 10 minutes that contain three of the following: 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's. If 5 exist in the game that are ranked.Narrill wrote:
No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/361263
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/56347
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/215238
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/187410
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392220
want more?
CXu wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/145361
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/361263
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/56347
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/215238
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/187410
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392220
want more?
If they actually contain 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's I'm a man of my word and you'll get a month of supporter but, 7 maps that I now currently now of that contain this convention out of how many total ranked maps on osu? It's still shockingly rare and I thank you for finding these for me.
EDIT: Still enough to warrant a notification in my eyes. 8 maps* forgot to count silver temple.
It's uncommon, but it isn't rare, and it isn't something you should have to be notified about. Other such notifications don't exist.
I don't need a month of supporter really, my point is that took me less than 10 minutes to actually remember and find. Having 1/3's are rarer, yes, but they're not as rare as you think they are. 1/3's are essentially a stream of 4 notes instead of 5 notes evenly spaced inbetween a 1/1, and you can play them as a slow stream, or you can play them as singletapping if they're slow enough for your singletapping speed. You're basically complaining about a set of notes being outside your comfort zone of both singletapping and streaming.
You only know what you practice and can you say the peruvial "play more 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's" when there's 8 maps with this convention? Either throw more of them in osu so people can read it or notify the players that this is something new.Narrill wrote:
It's uncommon, but it isn't rare, and it isn't something you should have to be notified about. Other such notifications don't exist.
If notes whilst sliders could all of sudden be ranked wouldn't you want a notification about that, so you're not like wdf is going on with my life? I know I hit that slider? [This is a very crude, rudementary example but you get the point]
The point is it's not something new and there's a ton more than 8 maps as you're saying that uses 1/3's 1/6's or even 1/12's or whatever the song calls for.
There would be a notification about that as it's actually a change in ranking convention. After the notification, however, it would be up to the player to recognize such patterns on their own. That's how this works.Clappy wrote:
If notes whilst sliders could all of sudden be ranked wouldn't you want a notification about that, so you're not like wdf is going on with my life? I know I hit that slider? [This is a very crude, rudementary example but you get the point]
Actually took you 14 minutes (hue) and it still further proves my point of how rare this convention is. 8 out the tens of thousands of maps with this, rare enough to warrant a notifaction such as silver temple. You can say my sight read is shit and I'll never be the WWW if I can't read this but with shockingly few maps with them, how am i expected to read it?CXu wrote:
I don't need a month of supporter really, my point is that took me less than 10 minutes to actually remember and find. Having 1/3's are rarer, yes, but they're not as rare as you think they are. 1/3's are essentially a stream of 4 notes instead of 5 notes evenly spaced inbetween a 1/1, and you can play them as a slow stream, or you can play them as singletapping if they're slow enough for your singletapping speed. You're basically complaining about a set of notes being outside your comfort zone of both singletapping and streaming.
Okay, you want more examples? I'm not even a standard player, and I still know a bunch off the top of my head:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27977
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/102005
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/8284
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/26071
etc
I have a lot more maps in my head, but I'm not sure if they use 1/3 in the standard diff of just in taiko (I'm a taiko player, where 1/3 and 1/6 usage is much more common), so I didn't list them.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27977
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/102005
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/8284
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/26071
etc
I have a lot more maps in my head, but I'm not sure if they use 1/3 in the standard diff of just in taiko (I'm a taiko player, where 1/3 and 1/6 usage is much more common), so I didn't list them.
Luna wrote:
Okay, you want more examples? I'm not even a standard player, and I still know a bunch off the top of my head:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27977
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/102005
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/8284
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/26071
etc
I have a lot more maps in my head, but I'm not sure if they use 1/3 in the standard diff of just in taiko (I'm a taiko player, where 1/3 and 1/6 usage is much more common), so I didn't list them.
For every 1 map with, lets call it compound timing. There's a 1000 maps with conventional timing, rare enough to say hey this is something new. I'm almost 13,000 plays in and this something new and shocking i have to learn.
They aren't rare. I can sight read them just fine at AR10 at 15k plays despite their supposed rarity. Believe it or not they're shockingly easy to pick out of a map that has normal streams. Maybe you just aren't diverse enough in your map selection.
13k plays so small i have like 19k and i feel like i just started playing yesterday
The reason it takes time to remember maps with 1/3 is because no one bothers to remember that a particular song has 1/3s. You just play the map because they're nothing special.
Also stop saying it's 8 out of tens of thousands, it's not. You asked for 5 maps, I gave you 5 (well 6). That does not imply they're all.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/75831
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/120918 (Well it has 1/6)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/98415
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/34211
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/201731
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/108762
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/85513
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36547
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/142772 (1/6. Basically you dont like variable stream-speed within a song so it counts)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46362
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/58361 (1/6)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/111302 (1/6)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/125448
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/285296
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/86269 (Probably a bunch of other owens remixes)
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/98496
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/104389
Also stop saying it's 8 out of tens of thousands, it's not. You asked for 5 maps, I gave you 5 (well 6). That does not imply they're all.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/75831
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/120918 (Well it has 1/6)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/98415
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/34211
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/201731
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/108762
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/85513
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/36547
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/142772 (1/6. Basically you dont like variable stream-speed within a song so it counts)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/46362
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/58361 (1/6)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/111302 (1/6)
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/125448
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/285296
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/86269 (Probably a bunch of other owens remixes)
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/98496
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/104389
You are only now starting to encounter patterns like this because you are improving over time and these are advanced patterns that only appear in harder difficulties. There are many more advanced level maps with this kind of timing than you realize - you just haven't played them yet because you are still learning basics.
How can you say that ? Happystick has ~90k plays and 5 years of play time.Riince wrote:
13k plays so small i have like 19k and i feel like i just started playing yesterday
You have ~20k plays and 1 year of play time.
You are proportionally 10k plays ahead of one of the best players in the game if you extrapolate your current trend for 4 more years?
get better at reading approach rates. you are not at a skill level to offer valuable and convincing arguments for this without obtaining the opinions of other higher level players, most of which will disagree with your thoughts.
and for the record, most people don't search for these songs, they play whatever they want, but they still learn to read these patterns.
and for the record, most people don't search for these songs, they play whatever they want, but they still learn to read these patterns.
You just made me so mad with so few words, I commend you.winber1 wrote:
get better at reading approach rates. you are not at a skill level to offer valuable and convincing arguments for this without obtaining the opinions of other higher level players, most of which will disagree with your thoughts.
and for the record, most people don't search for these songs, they play whatever they want, but they still learn to read these patterns.
That's like saying yeah, cookiezi didn't actually cheat on masterpiece. AR11 is ez pz if you ask him. He's better than you so whatever you say, a (measly) rank 400 compared to his one, is invalid. Just play more AR11. That is complete and utter bullshit. Go wave your rank 400 dick somewhere else. Just because I'm rank 10k and you're 400 doesnt make your opinion more valid than mine, especially if I still have a case of how many maps are there in osu total and how many of them contain this "compound timing" if you will. Rank has NOTHING, I do repeat nothing NOTHING to do with it.
EDIT: I could see if I was like 100 plays in with a million rank, but I have obtained knowledge of rhythm and standard conventions throughout this game to say this is really rare, could I just get a fucking notifaction of it?
Okay, let me address your comparison:
"People telling you that AR11 is easy if you play more" vs "People telling you that 1/3 in 1/4-style maps are readable"
- There are exactly 0 players who can properly sightread AR11
- There are probably several thousand (at least hundreds of) players who can properly sightread at least most 1/3 patterns
- Nobody who claims that AR11 is easy can actually play AR11
- Many of the people who claim that 1/3 are readable can actually read 1/3
See the difference?
"People telling you that AR11 is easy if you play more" vs "People telling you that 1/3 in 1/4-style maps are readable"
- There are exactly 0 players who can properly sightread AR11
- There are probably several thousand (at least hundreds of) players who can properly sightread at least most 1/3 patterns
- Nobody who claims that AR11 is easy can actually play AR11
- Many of the people who claim that 1/3 are readable can actually read 1/3
See the difference?
The simple fact of the matter is that you're responsible for noticing when irregular timing is used. It isn't rare, and you aren't entitled to any sort of notifaction. The fact that you're here asking for such a notifaction right now is evidence of both a lack of proper map exposure and a lack of proper reading skills on your part.
I've edited my post with a bunch of songs with 1/3 or 1/6's. If you still believe they're as rare as you say they are, then that's your problem really. There won't be a notification about it anyway, so it's basically your problem until you learn to read it properly.
reading and tapping is easy
aim is hell
aim is hell
I never said that it's impossible, you are twisting my words. I just said that nobody can do it so far, so if anyone claims it's easy, their argument is invalid until someone proves it. In contrast, many people can sightread 1/3, so when they claim it's possible, that is a lot more compelling.Clappy wrote:
How do you know you can't read ar11? Are you cookiezi or better than him? Whatever you just said is invalid about ar11.
/E: lol he deleted his post I guess
It's NOT rare enough to warrant any notification. Actually, nothing is rare enough to warrant any notification about the map. You play it, and if you failed to read it, then too bad, get better at the game so you learn to read it. It's as simple as that.
Also, unfortunately it is a fact that you haven't played this game enough (or rather, enough different maps) if you believe 1/3's are rare. Most maps consist of 1/2 and 1/4 sure, but there are a lot of pure 1/3 maps out there, and plenty that mix them around. There would be more 1/3 maps if there were more songs that used 1/3 (that people want to map), but explicitly telling the player to "watch out for it" is the same as telling people to watch out for antijumps or slowdowns. Unless the mapper did a horrible job, they're sight-readable and do not need any kind of "warning" before they occur.
Edit: Whoop post disappeared.
Also, unfortunately it is a fact that you haven't played this game enough (or rather, enough different maps) if you believe 1/3's are rare. Most maps consist of 1/2 and 1/4 sure, but there are a lot of pure 1/3 maps out there, and plenty that mix them around. There would be more 1/3 maps if there were more songs that used 1/3 (that people want to map), but explicitly telling the player to "watch out for it" is the same as telling people to watch out for antijumps or slowdowns. Unless the mapper did a horrible job, they're sight-readable and do not need any kind of "warning" before they occur.
Edit: Whoop post disappeared.
maps purely going around 1/3 and 1/6 can essentially be played like a 1/2 1/4 map though, just of a differing bpm
This guy gets it^ Thank you RiinceRiince wrote:
maps purely going around 1/3 and 1/6 can essentially be played like a 1/2 1/4 map though, just of a differing bpm
I'm not saying its not readable. I'm not saying I feel entitled to anything because I'm X rank or anything just hear me the fuck out osu forums... I'm saying its rare and I know its rare because they're only ~20 maps in this thread addressing this issue. Until you can post hundreds and I do mean hundreds, my point still stands. If you can read it on sight having only played 2 maps of it, thats great for you. Until more maps of this are made I will and always will believe there should be a notification of it because there are rare. Lets run numbers.
Lets give this compound timing the benefit of the doubt and say there are 100 of them. (I pulled this number out of my ass.)
There are 371 beatmap packs with ~20 songs in each, maybe more. So there are 3,400 maps total (we all now this is a damn lie and there's tens of thousands)
That means that this compound timing has a 100/3420 maps which is a shocking .02%
That means that it is extremely rare and until someone else has facts to base this off of, it is exceedingly rare and should be a notifcation.
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Lol really. No one's going to bother compiling a list of all maps containing 1/3 just to convince you that they're not rare.
Basically, sucks to be you, it's still up to the mapper to write any notification about it.
Basically, sucks to be you, it's still up to the mapper to write any notification about it.
That means that this compound timing has a 100/3420 maps which is a shocking .02%100/3420 is roughly 3%
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I'm saying its rare and I know its rare because they're only ~20 maps in this thread addressing this issue. Until you can post hundreds and I do mean hundreds, my point still stands.1) We listed a bunch of maps off the top of our heads because you wanted examples, and you still insist that that's gotta be pretty much all of them? smh
2) Until you can post hundreds and I do mean hundreds of maps with fullscreen square jumps, I request that all maps with such patterns be marked. Oh, and please mark all maps with deathstreams above 220 BPM unless you can list literally hundreds of those too. And yeah, I really think we need a warning for tornado jumps - I can't think of hundreds of maps off the top of my head, so there should be a warning. It's not because I suck, it's because it's super impossible due to rarity.
Even if we ignore the fact that it isn't rare at all, you aren't entitled to notifcations of things. Deathstreams are rare and don't have notifcations. Repeat spinners are rare and don't have notifcations. Tornado squares are rare and don't have notifcations. Fullscreen jumps are rare and don't have notifcations. Slider streams are rare and don't have notifcations. Etc., etc. etc.Clappy wrote:
That means that it is extremely rare and until someone else has facts to base this off of, it is exceedingly rare and should be a notifcation.
You don't get fucking notifcations, end of story.