makes sense, why not train/practice other things than ar10 then if they won't be able to play any of the ranked maps for a long time?Bassist Vinyl wrote:
1. there's not many ranked ar10 maps, and the ones that are are pretty hard [or impossible] to get good combos on for sub 1kVioletMaid wrote:
how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
2. hard rock sucks for pp
being able to read and play ar10 isnt that important in this ranking system really, and most of the people sub 10k who train ar10 get less accurate at lower AR's and hard rock OD and their ranks hurt even more from it.
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Most of them are just having fun playing AR10
Some are just retarded and think AR10 is the key to be a pro, so they play that all day and then months later they realize they were all wrong, so they proceed to spend months trying to get some reading skills and they struggle a ton because they're too used to AR10
The latter is totally not me
Some are just retarded and think AR10 is the key to be a pro, so they play that all day and then months later they realize they were all wrong, so they proceed to spend months trying to get some reading skills and they struggle a ton because they're too used to AR10
The latter is totally not me
Although in my case it really is the equipment. My keyboard is about to give out soon, I can feel it. The Shift, Z, and Q key are giving out with the shift key being near dead. I've since moved my tapping keys around eventually making way to numpad 1 and 2. Do not buy a rapoo E1050 they will bleed your fingers and don't last long.
I haven't bought a replacement yet because I'm saving up for a mechanical one. Too bad they're so darn expensive, it'll take me a while before I get one. I'm so bad at saving up lol.
I haven't bought a replacement yet because I'm saving up for a mechanical one. Too bad they're so darn expensive, it'll take me a while before I get one. I'm so bad at saving up lol.
To be honest, I find it easier to use a tablet compared to the mouse. Well, that's just me.
Any maps that will give a lot of pp?
Go see what the top 10 players' best performances are and play those maps. They will give you a lot of pp.
(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
Please no.Gigo wrote:
(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
The snap thing is probably the only thing I didn't know from what I read here, and yet, been a crappy player for over 2 years now. :/
I wish there was an easy way to control my nerves so that I stop tensing up. *sigh*
I wish there was an easy way to control my nerves so that I stop tensing up. *sigh*
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
move to korea and go to cookiezis houselovu wrote:
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
Agreed c:buny wrote:
move to korea and go to cookiezis houselovu wrote:
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
Just become a korean you will become pro in moments.
It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
sayo is betterDatPenguinTho wrote:
It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
edit:/ proven by pp
edit2:/ ofcourse he snaps but sayo is still better,proven by pp
Go watch rrtyui's Rainbow After Snow replay, he doesn't snap enough for most people to think he is snapping.f i z i k wrote:
sayo is betterDatPenguinTho wrote:
It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
edit:/ proven by pp
edit2:/ ofcourse he snaps but sayo is still better,proven by pp
Sayo is not better, he even says that himself. Plus, pp does not prove anything as look at HappyStick, he is amazing at the game yet he is below people he is better than.
want to say its a bull#$*( in fact every1 can start playing ar 9 maps but it you stay at this point etc me for like month and you have tryhard for real to complete a map in fullcombo( if you are korean) it is worthless, to be honest i have seen my improve to ar 9 but it ended up, however i keep playing this game and just started looking for threads like this one. Dunno why but i feel like my skill ended up, even after following ur tips cant do s%&*.
I would probably go with the ladder.got it
when you see long streams, you prepare the ladder.
thx m8 doing stream never been this easy!
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
you havent played long enough to hit any walls in your progress yet but trust me they happen and they're demoralizing when they do. don't just blindly judge everyone. i wanted to quit a few months ago when i spent about 3000-4000 plays getting no better even just playing stuff i couldn't do well on but i pushed past it and started slowly improving again. just that progress wall was nearly 10 times more plays than you even have total... so yeah it can wear on the mind. i was logging in every day and getting consistently lower scores on my local rankings than my previous ones on songs i already played. nonstop. for nearly 2 months.SomeGuy147 wrote:
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
Yeah, but you like look at Dota2 or TF2 or cs go where people hit really big progress walls which makes them quit the game because of complicated tactics or too big pressure a lot of times and here people need guides with a game that is as basic as it can get. Why would you even play this if you don't enjoy it in the first placeBassist Vinyl wrote:
you havent played long enough to hit any walls in your progress yet but trust me they happen and they're demoralizing when they do. don't just blindly judge everyone. i wanted to quit a few months ago when i spent about 3000-4000 plays getting no better even just playing stuff i couldn't do well on but i pushed past it and started slowly improving again. just that progress wall was nearly 10 times more plays than you even have total... so yeah it can wear on the mind. i was logging in every day and getting consistently lower scores on my local rankings than my previous ones on songs i already played. nonstop. for nearly 2 months.SomeGuy147 wrote:
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
its simple but by no means easy. its hard to explain and you probably wouldnt understand it anyway you just need to play more and see for yourself.
Hmm... where do i start here... Well let me just say that I can somewhat see where you're coming from someguy the concept of the game is fairly simplistic I mean you don't have to be a genius to play osu! but let me also say that if you simplify things that much, then of course, you could make anything look pretty friggin easy. Oh Dota2 capture other teams side pick up a few items get some skills learn some strategies simply by playing. See what i mean? I believe Dota2 is probably a fairly hard game (reason being why I'll never play it) but osu! and Dota2 are both difficult just in different ways. Dota2 requires more mental reasoning and planning and strategizing. osu! is probably more taxing physically requiring you to use your hands repetitively, build up muscle memory, It's also fairly taxing mentally having to have patience, learning how to read maps and patterns, learning how to not smash your computer into a million pieces when you keep missing the same thing over and over etuhcuh(etc.).SomeGuy147 wrote:
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
Yeah, but you like look at Dota2 or TF2 or cs go where people hit really big progress walls which makes them quit the game because of complicated tactics or too big pressure a lot of times and here people need guides with a game that is as basic as it can get. Why would you even play this if you don't enjoy it in the first place
Now I'm not gonna make this an "osu! IS HARDER THAN DOTA2" comment because first off that's not what the point is, and second I've never played Dota2 (thank god). The thing with the games you listed is that there is (for the most part) a clear and precise way to improve primarily through mental processing. If you had the ability to memorize every strategy, you could probably do just fine in the game granted you didn't have issues clicking buttons, in which case, why are you using a computer in the first place? The thing about osu! is that there really is no one surefire set way to get better in fact there's so many different ways you could improve that trying to create a one best way method would be completely pointless. You have to take it upon yourself to go in and find your own way to learn, first hand, thrown into the deep end.
Sure you could say that "OH well if that's the case just go in and play harder songs get better" and state it as simple as that if you wanted, and if you did, I'd believe you should reconsider. The thing is that playing songs to improve itself becomes the issue most of the time because of a few small things. You seem to have missed the fact that you can practice something for hours and never get much closer to actually doing it correctly. Maybe you're playing a map and you constantly get a combo break on a slider and can't figure out why, or maybe, you always seem to miss a stream that you know you are fast enough to be able to do. That is what i like to call hitting a wall. Most of the time we hit that wall because we are either:
A) Not skilled enough
or
B) We haven't really been playing correctly in the first place
Now the thing about this is that you can go quite a looooong time without ever realizing you were doing something wrong in the first place. Not following sliders all the way through leads to slider breaks. "NO I SWEAR I'M DOING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH" Then if you look back at your replays on half time you'd probably be surprised at just how much osu! allows you to be wrong and still counts it as being done correctly. The only problem with that is when you play more difficult songs those sliders are a lot more unforgiving and your combo breaks but you don't realize why because you've been doing the same thing you've always been doing and it has never steered you wrong before. That's the real issue.
Why does someone need a guide for a game like osu!... I would say it's because of the fact that it seems so easy. The first time i watched someone playing osu i thought "Oh yeah that's easy could do it no problem SS every song" but when i actually played it i realized i had no idea what the double F*@#$ I was doing. Not only that, I also had no idea what i was doing wrong because in my head I was doing everything perfectly only to finish an easy song with a 75% thinking that someone in the world of osu! was out to get me... Okay I wasn't that paranoid...(or was I?!?!... I kind of was) The point is that a lot of times you're doing things incorrectly that you think you're doing correctly so how exactly are you supposed to ever figure out how to fix something if you don't know what the problem is in the first place? You start at the basics, however, if you never grasp the basics in the first place then how are you supposed to know where the hell to start? You look for advice from outside sources. If these outside sources simply say "PLAY MORE PRACTICE GET NOMNOMS GAMEOVER" then how is that ever going to help you at all? Well, they're probably not.
I'm not going to make the assumption that you haven't hit any walls yet, maybe you have and like to figure things out for yourself, hell, I don't know your life story. With that being said you should show others that same respect. Don't assume that because somebody uses others for references on how to improve it's because they're lazy or just aren't trying hard enough. Usually it's the people who try extremely hard and still fail who look for outside sources because the, as you stated, "fat arses" would have probably just given up entirely.
TL;DR version: None. I didn't write that much for my own health. If I could've found the words to shorten it don't you think I would've just done that in the first place?
Haha, so true, and I love the humour indicated in this. I belive this is the first time I've read something this long on the internet. Well done sir.
Well..
I starded playing some month ago with a good mouse and a random logitech keyboard. I used to play alternating.
Went for a tablet and serious kb with reds 3 weeks ago and played a bit. My aim went on par with mouse after a few days, but my tapping felt weird, so i started to play mostly singletapping (mostly due to the many threads on the forums which say "it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
In addition, during this transition to new equip i had to move and buy new chair and desk.
Since the switch not only i've not seen any improvement, but i'm slowly getting worse, i don't even know if that's possible.
Right now i'm rotating beetween 15-20 maps i like and i think that's a major issue.
What i'm supposed to do now?
I'm the kind of guy who plays a map over and over 'till fc, is this a bad thing if you want to improve?
What kind of maps should i play? My streaming is dumb over 150 bpm, even if i'm decent at jumping i often break sliders and miss the random easy parts
I'm depressed ~_~
I starded playing some month ago with a good mouse and a random logitech keyboard. I used to play alternating.
Went for a tablet and serious kb with reds 3 weeks ago and played a bit. My aim went on par with mouse after a few days, but my tapping felt weird, so i started to play mostly singletapping (mostly due to the many threads on the forums which say "it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
In addition, during this transition to new equip i had to move and buy new chair and desk.
Since the switch not only i've not seen any improvement, but i'm slowly getting worse, i don't even know if that's possible.
Right now i'm rotating beetween 15-20 maps i like and i think that's a major issue.
What i'm supposed to do now?
I'm the kind of guy who plays a map over and over 'till fc, is this a bad thing if you want to improve?
What kind of maps should i play? My streaming is dumb over 150 bpm, even if i'm decent at jumping i often break sliders and miss the random easy parts
I'm depressed ~_~
its funny that even the claims of "300 bpm streaming" when people say you'll be cookiezi are purely ironic. Cookiezi was terrible at high bpm streams. We have people now that can stream faster than cookie easily like happystick. It was his only real weakness though.Antares wrote:
"it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
play more get used to the switch. you made a pretty big one to be sure. 15-20 maps isnt enough to transition properly imo. turn on snaking sliders, if ind thats better for doing/reading sliders, random missing easy parts is a fact of life.
Going to completely ignore the conversation up ^there.
I agree with everything, I like to impress people, but not all the time.
I think the key, not just to osu, but to basically a lot of other things, is moderation.
One word that literally solves everything.
Just my opinion, though. (Even though I don't follow it myself)
I agree with everything, I like to impress people, but not all the time.
I think the key, not just to osu, but to basically a lot of other things, is moderation.
One word that literally solves everything.
Just my opinion, though. (Even though I don't follow it myself)
From my experiences, I have found two ways to play this game:Antares wrote:
Well..
I starded playing some month ago with a good mouse and a random logitech keyboard. I used to play alternating.
Went for a tablet and serious kb with reds 3 weeks ago and played a bit. My aim went on par with mouse after a few days, but my tapping felt weird, so i started to play mostly singletapping (mostly due to the many threads on the forums which say "it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
In addition, during this transition to new equip i had to move and buy new chair and desk.
Since the switch not only i've not seen any improvement, but i'm slowly getting worse, i don't even know if that's possible.
Right now i'm rotating beetween 15-20 maps i like and i think that's a major issue.
What i'm supposed to do now?
I'm the kind of guy who plays a map over and over 'till fc, is this a bad thing if you want to improve?
What kind of maps should i play? My streaming is dumb over 150 bpm, even if i'm decent at jumping i often break sliders and miss the random easy parts
I'm depressed ~_~
1) You can play to gain Performance Points.
2) You can play to improve.
I find that there is a distinction between these two because if I'm trying to gain Performance Points, chances are I'm going to be playing a beatmap that:
a) Isn't very challenging
b) Has very little margin for error/improvement (if I'm trying to FC a song... doesn't that mean I already have it almost mastered anyways?)
c) Must be played over and over again for the desired result, which happens to be a result nothing short of perfection
So yes, I do find problems with trying to FC songs in order to improve. Personally, I'll get frustrated when attempting the same song dozens of times in a row, to the point where I actually start doing worse than what I accomplished on my first attempt. At this point, you're playing to 'not fuck up,' and is that a realistic goal to set for yourself when playing a game like osu!?
INSTEAD, find beatmaps that you simply have difficulty passing (these do exist for everyone, although for the highest caliber of player these might be considered unranked warm up maps). Find beatmaps that you actually like for songs that you actually enjoy. Set your goal not to perfection, but to simply passing the map. Find as MANY beatmaps as you can that fit this category (I personally have a collection of about 150 maps that I alternate through; I grow tired of a single song fairly quickly).
You won't notice improvement right away, as that'd be unreasonable. However, you'll notice you are enjoying yourself a lot more as you throw yourself into extremely challenging content with a larger margin for error.
Also, add me as a friend if you'd like to talk about this in further detail some time. I have about 5500 different beatmaps on osu! and I also have friends that are extremely talented at this game that have shared their wisdom with me (<3 TrickMirror).
In short, it's fun to improve, but don't burn yourself out by trying to improve with a tactic that requires zero margin for error. That will just cause frustration and will cause you to not enjoy playing osu! as much, which is counterproductive towards improvement.
Thanks Dawgy, that's pretty much what i started to do yesterday.
Instead of playing the usual 10-20 songs, i just typed "AR=9" into the search field and played anything the F2 key brought me to. Sometimes you get the accessible map. sometimes the one you didn't pass and so on.
It's indeed a funny way to play, but, more surprisingly, i was able to fc some map on the 3th-4th play!
Added you as friend! Thanks for the detailed reply.
Instead of playing the usual 10-20 songs, i just typed "AR=9" into the search field and played anything the F2 key brought me to. Sometimes you get the accessible map. sometimes the one you didn't pass and so on.
It's indeed a funny way to play, but, more surprisingly, i was able to fc some map on the 3th-4th play!
Added you as friend! Thanks for the detailed reply.
thelewa wrote:
I just read all of this and surprisingly everything is true
my bro got me to start playing today and told me to read this,
it's helpful, so thanks!
it's helpful, so thanks!
how the hell do i get good at heavily spaced fast singles? Like 90% of my misses these days are from quick spaced lines of singles. I know I'm supposed to play the beat in my head to hit them but I still fuck up more often than not. Its not physically possible for me to snap each of them either.
If any of you have any maps with lots of stuff like that around 3.5-4 stars I would love to have them
If any of you have any maps with lots of stuff like that around 3.5-4 stars I would love to have them
Do you mean like https://osu.ppy.sh/b/49101 but less stars?phonics wrote:
how the hell do i get good at heavily spaced fast singles? Like 90% of my misses these days are from quick spaced lines of singles. I know I'm supposed to play the beat in my head to hit them but I still fuck up more often than not. Its not physically possible for me to snap each of them either.
If any of you have any maps with lots of stuff like that around 3.5-4 stars I would love to have them
or
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/50234 (less stars but much slower and closer)
lol.iiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
with a 779 playcount, I doubt you did do much playingiiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
ChuTwo_old
in 3 years you've played less than I do in a week?iiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
it's because you think level mattersChuTwo wrote:
been playing sp a lot, reache lvl 52.
goes into multiplayer
gets rekked by lvls, 13, 21, everyone else.
is it because I'm playing with 2000 DPI
It's because you never challenge yourself and keep playing easy maps all day instead of harder one to improveChuTwo wrote:
been playing sp a lot, reache lvl 52.
goes into multiplayer
gets rekked by lvls, 13, 21, everyone else.
is it because I'm playing with 2000 DPI
In my opinion, to get better you must challange yourself alot and come to like songs that you don't like at all. I mean if you don't like Vocaloid, nightcore, brony, classic music ect. Just think about it in different way. When i started playing osu! I didn't like anything other than dubstep and electro and such. Now i like all sort of music because i play osu. Just my opinion though. 
Always test your skill but don't do songs you cannot possibly do.
osu! is a very difficult game to get used to, don't give up easily
Always try new beatmaps, find something you like to listen to. This motivates you.
Another tip I have is when you're able to do 4 star+ maps, you can test yourself by going back to older easier songs and playing around with the mods like double time which obviously test your skill and ability to read maps. I play with nightcore all the time to make the song feel more varied.
If you're hands get shaky take a break.
When you get into a new song try to match up with the speed and rhythm and keep it constant.
The last tip I have is if you're using a mouse, find a position your hand is comfortable in for beats, sliders and spinners.(Don't go too hard on spinners or risk failure upon following it up.)
P.S I've been playing for more than half a year, so I'm still a little bit of a newb(can only do 3-4 stars) but I have practiced ways I can improve and am still going.
osu! is a very difficult game to get used to, don't give up easily
Always try new beatmaps, find something you like to listen to. This motivates you.
Another tip I have is when you're able to do 4 star+ maps, you can test yourself by going back to older easier songs and playing around with the mods like double time which obviously test your skill and ability to read maps. I play with nightcore all the time to make the song feel more varied.
If you're hands get shaky take a break.
When you get into a new song try to match up with the speed and rhythm and keep it constant.
The last tip I have is if you're using a mouse, find a position your hand is comfortable in for beats, sliders and spinners.(Don't go too hard on spinners or risk failure upon following it up.)
P.S I've been playing for more than half a year, so I'm still a little bit of a newb(can only do 3-4 stars) but I have practiced ways I can improve and am still going.
This is all great info, and I'm sure one or many of these has applied to just about every osu! player.
This may fall under the settings section, but something I recently noticed that was holding me back was my default placement of my pen. My combos would consistently break and I wondered how I was missing such easy notes on occasion. Sometimes I was holding my pen a bit off center or starting maps off while spinning/playing around with the pen. After watching a few replays, sure enough I was over/undershooting based on where I started with my pen at the beginning. Since then I have started getting into a habit of holding dead center at the beginning and making sure I am comfortable before moving around the map.
This may fall under the settings section, but something I recently noticed that was holding me back was my default placement of my pen. My combos would consistently break and I wondered how I was missing such easy notes on occasion. Sometimes I was holding my pen a bit off center or starting maps off while spinning/playing around with the pen. After watching a few replays, sure enough I was over/undershooting based on where I started with my pen at the beginning. Since then I have started getting into a habit of holding dead center at the beginning and making sure I am comfortable before moving around the map.
ChuTwo_old
why is this game so complicatedKlockwerk wrote:
This is all great info, and I'm sure one or many of these has applied to just about every osu! player.
This may fall under the settings section, but something I recently noticed that was holding me back was my default placement of my pen. My combos would consistently break and I wondered how I was missing such easy notes on occasion. Sometimes I was holding my pen a bit off center or starting maps off while spinning/playing around with the pen. After watching a few replays, sure enough I was over/undershooting based on where I started with my pen at the beginning. Since then I have started getting into a habit of holding dead center at the beginning and making sure I am comfortable before moving around the map.
Meh, I quit for awhile due to boredom of the game but came back lol. But I'm getting alot better though x).B1rd wrote:
in 3 years you've played less than I do in a week?iiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
Does using your laptop as a sort-of mousepad count as a bad habit (I guess that should be self-explanatory...)? 'Cause that's how I fail/mess up a beatmap 40% of the time: over time, I mess up my mouse positioning, and eventually fuck up. Gahh.
To-do: Go out and buy some goddanged items.
To-do: Go out and buy some goddanged items.
Just a question, Its better play a lot of harder maps even though you get bad scores or play easier maps and get good scores?
it's better to do bothKinkosan wrote:
Just a question, Its better play a lot of harder maps even though you get bad scores or play easier maps and get good scores?
zqw_old
Ideally you want to be getting B ranks 80% on your maps if you want to improve.Kinkosan wrote:
Just a question, Its better play a lot of harder maps even though you get bad scores or play easier maps and get good scores?
Is the OP banned?
Kind of.Gumpyyy wrote:
Is the OP banned?
inb4 banned for cheating
"Oh the irony"
"Oh the irony"
ScarletStory wrote:
Ahh this question. I was waiting for it to come up eventually! The account that I started on (which I do not use period) had an "offensive" (if that's even the right word don't ask me I'm not easily offended) name and due to the fact that I had already used a supporter tag to change my name *facedesk* I did indeed have to make a new account. However, please let me stress that I don't in any way try to "trick" anyone into thinking something like "OH MY GOD 4 MONTHS AND YOU GOT AN S ON (insert difficult map here)!?!?" No, that's not me in the slightest. In fact, I said myself that playing solely to impress people was a bad reason to play and I'm no hypocrite. The account is due solely to the fact that my old account name came off as offensive to some people, and therefore, I thought it would probably be in the best interest of others and myself to just drop the account while it was still new and to make another as a means to change my name.
If someone would like to call me a multi-accounting jerk son of a b$#@*!!! I suppose they could because it's true if you take it word for word i had two accounts but after reading this over I feel i should add that i did not use them simultaneously it was a transition from one to the other within a day, however, I do not use the other account, period. I don't lie to people about how long I've played, and I wouldn't have done this if I didn't have a good reason (and the reason is a bit personal) and if i could have resolved it in some other fashion I would have.
Yes I do have another account, and no, I do not use it. I did not even want to make a new account and if it were possible I would have deleted the other account I don't use long long loooong ago. On that note, I'm not trying to sway people into thinking that multi-accounting is just fine and dandy, because it's really not. I have no doubt in my mind that, if someone who has no respect for other players or their hard work, were to do something like this, with many many accounts, a lot of people would get REALLY unfairly screwed over. They could have their ranks stolen, and have all their hard work crapped on by one person with many accounts (which i would guess is the reason why multi-accounting is not allowed). People could also be lead to believe that they aren't good enough because someone else who has been playing less time(although in actuality hasn't) got much better than them, and to some people, this can be pretty demoralizing if you've been playing for a year and someone who has been playing for "1 month" is better than you (although i do believe that most people would assume they were multi-accounting and write it off). I'm merely answering this question. As to whether or not it's excusable or inexcusable in my case or any case is up to others. I answered this question in such length because if I had just said "Yeah I have another account" the question of "Why?" would come up and then I'd have to write it out anyway. Not that i particularly mind, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea. If I really wanted to hide it I easily could have, however, I feel like lying over something so trivial would not only make me a jerk it would also destroy any credibility i had, therefore, rendering these whole thread more useless than it may already be. I mean, only a fool would take advice from a liar, unless it was advice about lying then i guess it would be okay but i could go in circles about that all day ANYWAY this is my answer take it or leave it.
GoldenWolf wrote:
inb4 banned for cheating
"Oh the irony"
Or, and this may sound just crazy so bear with me, it could (does) have some relationship to this. You should bet your money on this. *facepalm*
Can I make an exception?
if you're using a method which is utterly useless (aka trackpoint, voice command, etc.) it's ok to upgrade to a spare mouse (or use this as an excuse to get a good mouse). Of course, most methods can be played with (although some are frustrating).
Good advice!
if you're using a method which is utterly useless (aka trackpoint, voice command, etc.) it's ok to upgrade to a spare mouse (or use this as an excuse to get a good mouse). Of course, most methods can be played with (although some are frustrating).
Good advice!
I know I'm still pretty new but somehow I find that I play osu better after I eat something and relax a little...
As much as I regret this at times, I'm not dead yet. I do, however, appreciate the sentiment.Accel Walker wrote:
nice thread, and suprisingly it's true
rest in peace OP
Problem: If I have mouse sensitivity up, I can make longer jumps. Difficulty: With mouse sensitivity up, my hand can't keep the cursor steady; it shakes all over the place if I try a small movement or hold it idle.
Also, my wrist always seems to be glued to the mousepad and I can't make it move in time. Any tips on overcoming these issues?
Edit: An example of shakiness.
Also, my wrist always seems to be glued to the mousepad and I can't make it move in time. Any tips on overcoming these issues?
Edit: An example of shakiness.
As I've never used a mouse, I cannot give you any special advice, with that being, I also won't just tell you, "GET A TABLET!" Now, from what I have heard, generally sensitivity for a mouse, in osu!, is best at 1.0 to prevent "cursor freaking out". If you want my advice I generally go with the idea of using modifications to sensitivity/area as less as I possibly can. I do that because, in the past, if I used any area other than full I was tempted to change it around, and because of that, I never stuck with something long enough for me to get good at using it. Also, I just generally feel like the learning curve is steeper but then you won't have to worry as much about changing mouses and possible incompatibility issues to where you have to change settings around again. Honestly, it's whatever works best for you. As far as your wrist being glued to the mousepad is concerned, I would say, that's just something that you need to work on over time. Although I don't really know why that's a problem, since I don't use a mouse, I would probably just advise you to pay attention to your mouse and make an effort (and it will probably be difficult/annoying) to keep your wrist off of the mousepad at all times.Pichu0102 wrote:
Problem: If I have mouse sensitivity up, I can make longer jumps. Difficulty: With mouse sensitivity up, my hand can't keep the cursor steady; it shakes all over the place if I try a small movement or hold it idle.
Also, my wrist always seems to be glued to the mousepad and I can't make it move in time. Any tips on overcoming these issues?
Edit: An example of shakiness.
Good luck~~!
I wonder if someone have tips/articles/thread about how to ... well, start combining tablet and keyboard. I know this is a stupid questions. but i really want to change my playstyle, ( as till right now i'm a tablet-tap player) ;;w;;
It frustrated me that i couldn't hit the circles on time and start panic (yes, i got panic and always immediately change to tablet-tap) when using keyboard too
It frustrated me that i couldn't hit the circles on time and start panic (yes, i got panic and always immediately change to tablet-tap) when using keyboard too
In options turn on "Disable mouse buttons in play mode".lemonadejuice wrote:
I wonder if someone have tips/articles/thread about how to ... well, start combining tablet and keyboard. I know this is a stupid questions. but i really want to change my playstyle, ( as till right now i'm a tablet-tap player) ;;w;;
It frustrated me that i couldn't hit the circles on time and start panic (yes, i got panic and always immediately change to tablet-tap) when using keyboard too
i keep ''freezing'' when i play faster maps all the time, idk what to do about it. :/
"Practising with bad habits"
So true when it comes to playing instruments...
So true when it comes to playing instruments...
okScarletStory wrote:
the only person you should try to impress is yourself.
Short streams up to 260bpm (like 3 up to 9 notes) does not make real threat for me, but I've found issues in longstreams over 200bpm. I can barely pass 6 seconds then I'm rapidly going down to 100's and 50's and then failing beatmap. Can't really find out what's the reason of my disconcentration. Any tips? 
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
I kinda aim to impress others on osu, but it's mainly my friends who also play who I aim to impress with replays, we like to impress each other :p
you lack something called "stamina"iLoveYordles wrote:
Short streams up to 260bpm (like 3 up to 9 notes) does not make real threat for me, but I've found issues in longstreams over 200bpm. I can barely pass 6 seconds then I'm rapidly going down to 100's and 50's and then failing beatmap. Can't really find out what's the reason of my disconcentration. Any tips?
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
Well about keeping the same settings. i have been gradually increasing my dpi because at first i had like 800 dpi mouse and it was really hard when i set my new mouse to 3000 right away soo i played with a bit higher than 800 for a while then increased again and then again. For me it was much easier than jumpign right in with high dpi
Few questions from me, as new player, person who love listening music and is kinda binded to his small personal smartphone with loads of songs.
1) How i should force my first steps in OSU. So far i just found songs what i realy like to listen and on Normal difficulty i get normaly rank C. I managed ONE time on Easy mode to get S rank but that was like year ago when i found OSU (abandoned it due work and real life issues so consider it as i am starting from scrach, newbie, etc).
2) I tryed hard difficulty and i cannot pass even first seconds of any song, simply speed of bits is too damn high for me that i cannot follow nodes. Should i force myself to repeatly do same song like tousent of times till i get used to fast speed or stick for easy/normals at start now?
3) Passed some bitmaps from "Recommended Difficulty" and it went pretty decent, one even A rank after like 4-5 times (few repeats per try), should i stick to recommended once or just go and play songs what i know and like? Do actualy playing songs what i hear first time in my life is better for me and will help improve?
Thanks for advice guys and cheers!
@Edit - I am mouse user.
1) How i should force my first steps in OSU. So far i just found songs what i realy like to listen and on Normal difficulty i get normaly rank C. I managed ONE time on Easy mode to get S rank but that was like year ago when i found OSU (abandoned it due work and real life issues so consider it as i am starting from scrach, newbie, etc).
2) I tryed hard difficulty and i cannot pass even first seconds of any song, simply speed of bits is too damn high for me that i cannot follow nodes. Should i force myself to repeatly do same song like tousent of times till i get used to fast speed or stick for easy/normals at start now?
3) Passed some bitmaps from "Recommended Difficulty" and it went pretty decent, one even A rank after like 4-5 times (few repeats per try), should i stick to recommended once or just go and play songs what i know and like? Do actualy playing songs what i hear first time in my life is better for me and will help improve?
Thanks for advice guys and cheers!
@Edit - I am mouse user.
I found at the beginning when I first played that it wasn't as easy as I thought.
Sure I could follow with my eyes, but doing it with a mouse was way harder.
Not to mention that you have to click too which quickly overloads your mind.
I find that eating before you play and getting some sleep helps alot in terms of accuracy.
I don't know why, but it works for me.
The guide for total beginners:
1) Play the easy maps. No you aren't good enough for normal yet.
-If you can't do it, play it on half speed. Get used to pressing x instead of clicking, it helps much more
-Also, try to sync your ears to the beat. No beatmap is there without a beat.
2) Once you're better, go on to normal
-Basically, same thing, just try more. It may take a long time before you can get to hard. I have been playing for a month and I can only manage to get B's and C's on hard.
3) PRACTICE
-I know that some people think that they can get by without actually trying but believe me, you have to practice. Practice makes perfect, right?
Tips:
-To get better at listening to the beat, enable the Hidden mod and try and figure out when you are supposed to click. No peeking!
-To get better at accuracy and to get your body to adjust to new beatmaps, play on Hard Rock. It flips the map over the x axis and makes the hit circles smaller, so accuracy matters more.
P.S. If you find that your cursor is lagging,
1) Go to options
2) Go to frame rate
3) Change FPS to unlimited
This is implemented to keep people from cheating by making the fps low.
Enjoy playing osu!
Sure I could follow with my eyes, but doing it with a mouse was way harder.
Not to mention that you have to click too which quickly overloads your mind.
I find that eating before you play and getting some sleep helps alot in terms of accuracy.
I don't know why, but it works for me.
The guide for total beginners:
1) Play the easy maps. No you aren't good enough for normal yet.
-If you can't do it, play it on half speed. Get used to pressing x instead of clicking, it helps much more
-Also, try to sync your ears to the beat. No beatmap is there without a beat.
2) Once you're better, go on to normal
-Basically, same thing, just try more. It may take a long time before you can get to hard. I have been playing for a month and I can only manage to get B's and C's on hard.
3) PRACTICE
-I know that some people think that they can get by without actually trying but believe me, you have to practice. Practice makes perfect, right?
Tips:
-To get better at listening to the beat, enable the Hidden mod and try and figure out when you are supposed to click. No peeking!
-To get better at accuracy and to get your body to adjust to new beatmaps, play on Hard Rock. It flips the map over the x axis and makes the hit circles smaller, so accuracy matters more.
P.S. If you find that your cursor is lagging,
1) Go to options
2) Go to frame rate
3) Change FPS to unlimited
This is implemented to keep people from cheating by making the fps low.
Enjoy playing osu!
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
Yet they're all the perfect ingredients to make up some placebo effectsTess wrote:
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
Something I've been meaning to ask.. Is raw input that necessary if you play with a mouse? I recently got a G400s and set it to 800dpi and 1.0x in game, but I forgot to turn raw input on so I've just been playing like that for a little over a week. Enhance pointer precision is off in G400s settings, and I'm pretty sure it was off when I checked Windows settings a while back.
I also tampered with the windows sensitivity because I had to use a touchpad for a while (previous mouse broke so I couldn't play), and forgot it there. I checked it and it's on 8/11 now. Should I tone it down to default?
If it is better to play with raw input on, how much should I conpensate in dpi? I play on 1600x900 native resolution and with raw input on the cursor gets way too slow for me.
*I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask, I just guessed that my settings could be potentially messing with how I play.
I also tampered with the windows sensitivity because I had to use a touchpad for a while (previous mouse broke so I couldn't play), and forgot it there. I checked it and it's on 8/11 now. Should I tone it down to default?
If it is better to play with raw input on, how much should I conpensate in dpi? I play on 1600x900 native resolution and with raw input on the cursor gets way too slow for me.
*I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask, I just guessed that my settings could be potentially messing with how I play.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265192/dpi- ... nter-speedNikkumi wrote:
Something I've been meaning to ask.. Is raw input that necessary if you play with a mouse? I recently got a G400s and set it to 800dpi and 1.0x in game, but I forgot to turn raw input on so I've just been playing like that for a little over a week. Enhance pointer precision is off in G400s settings, and I'm pretty sure it was off when I checked Windows settings a while back.
I also tampered with the windows sensitivity because I had to use a touchpad for a while (previous mouse broke so I couldn't play), and forgot it there. I checked it and it's on 8/11 now. Should I tone it down to default?
If it is better to play with raw input on, how much should I conpensate in dpi? I play on 1600x900 native resolution and with raw input on the cursor gets way too slow for me.
according to this, 8/11 multiplies dpi by 2. So try 1600dpi with raw input.
When you get a placebo to work, the best course of action is to figure out what about that placebo made it work, and then focus on that so you can achieve the same results without said placebo.GoldenWolf wrote:
Yet they're all the perfect ingredients to make up some placebo effectsTess wrote:
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
An example of something I did that helped for me was imagining a pro player playing the map I was playing as I played it, and then I tried following their cursor movements and tapping as closely as I could. This actually helped - I obviously didn't instantly become pro, but I could keep combo for longer, get higher accuracy, etc. Then later I thought about what I did differently during that time, and realized that, because I was so focused on "playing like a pro", I was paying much more attention to the map. I was forced to read properly because I had to visualize where the cursor went before following there with my own. That inspired me to practice reading, and now I can get in the same state without the need of any silly symbolism.
tl;dr Do the placebo, find the cause of the placebo's effect, remove the placebo, repeat the cause to achieve the effect again.
Tried it and it feels fairly similar. Possibly smoother than before.B1rd wrote:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265192/dpi- ... nter-speed
according to this, 8/11 multiplies dpi by 2. So try 1600dpi with raw input.
Would it be a good idea to fall back to 6/11? I've read that the pointer skips counts above 6/11, although I got to admit I'm not sure what that means.
I'm just at the point where I've been playing at 8/11 for 9 days after a two month hiatus, so my muscle memory was sort of "reset" until that point (or maybe I'm wrong since I don't know how muscle memory works exactly).
I've read that you generally shouldn't change settings too much and stick to one, so I don't know what to do.
I don't quite understand this logic. Honestly, the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible, and even then, it's still going to contain some subjectivity. You should understand that rhetorical writings do not work if it's all, "I say this is this way because it works for me so it works for everyone. I'm right, do what i say." Simply leaving it at that without backing it up with at least some kind of hypothetical or real proof is what would be unwise. What's more important is not so much whether or not what's being said is objective, but rather, how it's presented so that the reader will subjectively take in the information in favor of the writer. To wrap this up: statements of objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer because it represents them having tangible evidence(regardless of existence), credibility increases the affinity for the readers to agree with the writer, and also, increases thought on their end on what is being said on whatever topic.Tess wrote:
It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets~
You want to know the secret though...
This entire thread is subjective advice.
Guess it worked, eh?
Well, looking at all your points, I don't think you quite grasped my statement. Then again, looking back at it, I think it was more of an in-joke with myself than anything else. I'll explain everything though, just so it doesn't look like I'm randomly spouting crap without any thought behind it. I'll start by replying to your points.
Well, how do you define objective? You say "as objective as possible", but how would you even measure said objectivity? Are you aware of how objective this thread is being? If so, could you explain how much that is, and how you got to that amount?
If you go for the dictionary definition (people rarely do), which is, quote, "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.", then that would be false on both accounts, because all we can do on this forum is share our personal experiences and I doubt that a majority of the users on this forum knows of the facts that drive their subjective experiences. On top of that, you wouldn't really be able to measure that. You either are objective, or you're not.
Providing evidence along with your statement makes you more credible, yes. What kind of evidence would a "GUYS THIS IS TURLY THE METHOD WITH HOW YOU GET BETTER >>>THE REAL DEAL RIGHT HERE<<<" thread OP have to provide that would not only convince the reader before they tried it for themselves, but also work for every single player that tries it? Because that's what a fact is, you know. Gravity is there for everyone. 2 is always more than 1. A feather is lighter than a truck, everywhere. If your method doesn't work for everyone, it's a subjective method, and presenting it objectively is wrong and only leads to misunderstandings, which people are quite good at causing.
AND THEN YOU SAY THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS SUBJECTIVE
Thank you for your reply, though. I can see that you put effort and thought into it and it did most certainly make me revise my statement to make sure whether I was making any sense or not. It was also fun to reply to, and I have to say that the last part did make me giggle. Time not wasted. I hope you understand my logic now.
Amphetamine wrote:
Honestly, the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible, and even then, it's still going to contain some subjectivity.
Well, how do you define objective? You say "as objective as possible", but how would you even measure said objectivity? Are you aware of how objective this thread is being? If so, could you explain how much that is, and how you got to that amount?
If you go for the dictionary definition (people rarely do), which is, quote, "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.", then that would be false on both accounts, because all we can do on this forum is share our personal experiences and I doubt that a majority of the users on this forum knows of the facts that drive their subjective experiences. On top of that, you wouldn't really be able to measure that. You either are objective, or you're not.
Okay, step on your breaks there, Sonic. What about my post implies that I don't understand that baseless (Not rhetorical, your example had nothing to do with rhetoric at all) statements do not work under pretty much any circumstances except for sheer luck around brainless listeners? I'm not sure where you're taking that assumption from, so, if you could elaborate, that would be much appreciated. I do see what you're saying about me not backing up my statement, but perhaps I wasn't trying to give advice with my post, and rather to spark thought and discussion. Ever considered that? If so, what would be wrong with my statement? You wrote out quite a complete post with fully formulated points that you put quite some serious thought behind, and now I'm replying to said post as maturely as I can - wouldn't that mean that I've achieved my goal? If I'm overlooking something here, I'd be glad to see it pointed out, so I can prevent it in the future.Amphetamine wrote:
You should understand that rhetorical writings do not work if it's all, "I say this is this way because it works for me so it works for everyone. I'm right, do what i say." Simply leaving it at that without backing it up with at least some kind of hypothetical or real proof is what would be unwise.
The reader always takes information in subjectively, though. However, I'm not going to be petty - I do see what you're trying to say. The thing is, it's still not a very effective approach. You can attune objective statements to the subjectivity of a listener, sure. However, the key word in that sentence is "a". That only really, truly works in one-on-one teaching - and this is assuming that this thread contains objective statements, which it does not. Only attempted objectivity, to further complicate things. If this makes you wonder why my post says "objective advice" - I was referring to advice presented as objective, there. As in "To get better, do A, B, and C. Good luck.". That's objective. That's a tutorial, an instruction, which doesn't work for this game. That's something that works when it's "To open a door, either twist the knob, pull the handle, or blow it the fuck up.". What makes one player get better makes the other player get worse, you can't write out a tutorial on how to get better because it would only work for a select amount of people. In fact, that was the entire point of my statement.Amphetamine wrote:
What's more important is not so much whether or not what's being said is objective, but rather, how it's presented so that the reader will subjectively take in the information in favor of the writer.
Amphetamine wrote:
To wrap this up: statements of objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer because it represents them having tangible evidence(regardless of existence)
Providing evidence along with your statement makes you more credible, yes. What kind of evidence would a "GUYS THIS IS TURLY THE METHOD WITH HOW YOU GET BETTER >>>THE REAL DEAL RIGHT HERE<<<" thread OP have to provide that would not only convince the reader before they tried it for themselves, but also work for every single player that tries it? Because that's what a fact is, you know. Gravity is there for everyone. 2 is always more than 1. A feather is lighter than a truck, everywhere. If your method doesn't work for everyone, it's a subjective method, and presenting it objectively is wrong and only leads to misunderstandings, which people are quite good at causing.
But that I agree with you doesn't mean that what you said will help me~Amphetamine wrote:
credibility increases the affinity for the readers to agree with the writer
This didn't make sense to me.Amphetamine wrote:
and also, increases thought on their end on what is being said on whatever topic.
And down the drain goes your entire post, which makes me pretty sad. It was a good post, fun to reply to, yet you disagree with everything you've said with your little "secret". First you say that the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible. Then you go on to say that said objective information should be presented in such a way that it can be interpreted subjectively, by everyone, so that it can work for as many people as possible. Then you go on to say that objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer, and makes the reader more eager to agree with him and think about stuff.Amphetamine wrote:
You want to know the secret though...
This entire thread is subjective advice.
Guess it worked, eh?
AND THEN YOU SAY THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS SUBJECTIVE
Thank you for your reply, though. I can see that you put effort and thought into it and it did most certainly make me revise my statement to make sure whether I was making any sense or not. It was also fun to reply to, and I have to say that the last part did make me giggle. Time not wasted. I hope you understand my logic now.
Tess wrote:
Well, looking at all your points, I don't think you quite grasped my statement. Then again, looking back at it, I think it was more of an in-joke with myself than anything else. I'll explain everything though, just so it doesn't look like I'm randomly spouting crap without any thought behind it. I'll start by replying to your points.
Amphetamine wrote:
Honestly, the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible, and even then, it's still going to contain some subjectivity.
Oh no, you did not just go there. You brought out the dictionary on me. Low blow man, low blow. However, this actually is the reason why I said, "as objective as possible." Due to the fact that objectivity is not something that can be measured, nor present, for that matter, within a forum that is almost wholly based on subjective posts and responses. I said objective as possible in order to show my understanding of the fact that it will not be 100% objective. Point being, you kind of agreed with me inadvertently.Tess wrote:
Well, how do you define objective? You say "as objective as possible", but how would you even measure said objectivity? Are you aware of how objective this thread is being? If so, could you explain how much that is, and how you got to that amount?
If you go for the dictionary definition (people rarely do), which is, quote, "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.", then that would be false on both accounts, because all we can do on this forum is share our personal experiences and I doubt that a majority of the users on this forum knows of the facts that drive their subjective experiences. On top of that, you wouldn't really be able to measure that. You either are objective, or you're not.
Amphetamine wrote:
You should understand that rhetorical writings do not work if it's all, "I say this is this way because it works for me so it works for everyone. I'm right, do what i say." Simply leaving it at that without backing it up with at least some kind of hypothetical or real proof is what would be unwise.
Actually, the rhetorical writing alluded to was the OP. I was stating that, had the thread not provided some form of statements of objectivity in its points of advice, it would not work. I used said "baseless statement" in order to provide some insight in to what I meant by the necessity of objectivity. The statement you called baseless was my example of a statement based purely on subjective thought. Basically what I'm saying is that, if the thread followed this subjective, as you called it, baseless, train of thought, without offering up any kind of, or facade of a solid basis--subjectivity disguised as objectivity through the use of common sense questions and statements that the reader can make sense of through their own thought process, then the impact, as well as the credibility, completely breaks down.Tess wrote:
Okay, step on your breaks there, Sonic. What about my post implies that I don't understand that baseless (Not rhetorical, your example had nothing to do with rhetoric at all) statements do not work under pretty much any circumstances except for sheer luck around brainless listeners? I'm not sure where you're taking that assumption from, so, if you could elaborate, that would be much appreciated. I do see what you're saying about me not backing up my statement, but perhaps I wasn't trying to give advice with my post, and rather to spark thought and discussion. Ever considered that? If so, what would be wrong with my statement? You wrote out quite a complete post with fully formulated points that you put quite some serious thought behind, and now I'm replying to said post as maturely as I can - wouldn't that mean that I've achieved my goal? If I'm overlooking something here, I'd be glad to see it pointed out, so I can prevent it in the future.
As for you stating, "I do see what you're saying about me not backing up my statement, but perhaps I wasn't trying to give advice with my post, and rather to spark thought and discussion. Ever considered that?" I don't quite understand this logic. I don't understand how a statement that isn't backed up by any indication of thought could ever spark a discussion considering the fact that I have no idea what you mean. If I understand your logic correctly, I could say "The ephemeral box is one of short time" and expect to spark discussion from that. I'm pretty sure any discussion arising from that statement would be along the lines of others saying, "What the hell is this person talking about?"
As to not confuse you, as i have earlier with my other baseless statement, I'll expand upon this. If I, nor anybody else, knows what you're trying to say with such a vague statement then how could it ever generate any discussion. "It's not wise to give objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets" What's your point? Is it that giving advice in general is not wise, is it that just objective advice is not wise, is it that because of arbitrary skillsets and being subjective learners that objective advice couldn't work? If so, wouldn't that mean that no advice could help regardless of being objective or subjective and that advice period is unwise? My point being that, if you don't clearly state what you're trying to say, I'll take it as I perceive it, and because of that, I may misconstrue your meaning and end up having to type a 10 page essay in responses to you going back and explaining what you really meant after the fact.
As for the last sardonic statement of "didn't I achieve my goal" let's try to keep things real. I feel as though you've taken it that I've somehow tried to discredit your intelligence, and if so, let's just end that right here. Nothing I said was against you personally.
Amphetamine wrote:
What's more important is not so much whether or not what's being said is objective, but rather, how it's presented so that the reader will subjectively take in the information in favor of the writer.
First and foremost, I said take in information subjectively in favor of the writer. Naturally the reader always takes in information subjectively, however, they can take a position against an argument, or, they can take a position for the argument. I was trying to high-light the taking in of information, naturally subjective, that leads them to agree with the writer. That would be why I didn't end the sentence with the word "subjectively."Tess wrote:
The reader always takes information in subjectively, though. However, I'm not going to be petty - I do see what you're trying to say. The thing is, it's still not a very effective approach. You can attune objective statements to the subjectivity of a listener, sure. However, the key word in that sentence is "a". That only really, truly works in one-on-one teaching - and this is assuming that this thread contains objective statements, which it does not. Only attempted objectivity, to further complicate things. If this makes you wonder why my post says "objective advice" - I was referring to advice presented as objective, there. As in "To get better, do A, B, and C. Good luck.". That's objective. That's a tutorial, an instruction, which doesn't work for this game. That's something that works when it's "To open a door, either twist the knob, pull the handle, or blow it the fuck up.". What makes one player get better makes the other player get worse, you can't write out a tutorial on how to get better because it would only work for a select amount of people. In fact, that was the entire point of my statement.
The way I take this is that you're agreeing with me. I said that it could only work if it were objective. Yes, osu! is not a game that can be broken up into steps as simple as opening up a door, that's obviously true. With that being said, I don't understand how attempted objectivity could further complicate anything. If anything, providing as much objectivity as possible would be nothing but beneficial to this argument. You said "You can attune objective statements to the subjectivity of a listener, sure. However, the key word in that sentence is "a". That only really, truly works in one-on-one teaching - and this is assuming that this thread contains objective statements, which it does not."
Is this true? Does this kind of advice only work when being given one-on-one? How do you know? Let's say we live in a world where that is a proven fact. If so, then wouldn't trying to emulate that be the best course of action when giving advice regardless of whatever medium was being used? I don't think giving advice changes all that much between one-on-one and writer to reader. Sure, in the real world, you can edit your statements and attune them to one specific person based on their personality and the reactions of that person, but is that really something you can't do when writing to a specific audience? Do you not think that the OP is attuned to a certain audience? Keywords being "a" and "audience" meaning that it is written this way because it seems like the most effective way to get the point across to the intended general audience. I'm just gonna leave it there and leave the thinking up to you.
Amphetamine wrote:
To wrap this up: statements of objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer because it represents them having tangible evidence(regardless of existence)
If I'm getting what you mean, you're basically saying that trying to market a subjective argument as an objective one will only confuse others. Sure, that may be the case if I was arguing an objective matter, that contained proven facts, in my own subjective way. That's called tricking people. That can only happen if what you're saying can be proven wrong or right with factual data. You could argue that a red car is better than a yellow car. That's subjective. You could tell them that red cars are better because they get pulled over less than yellow cars. That could be objective or subjective. You vehemently refuse show them the data behind your statement that red cars get pulled over less. Now you're untrustworthy because your statement that could be considered either objective or subjective is now compromised and looks more subjective.Tess wrote:
Providing evidence along with your statement makes you more credible, yes. What kind of evidence would a "GUYS THIS IS TURLY THE METHOD WITH HOW YOU GET BETTER >>>THE REAL DEAL RIGHT HERE<<<" thread OP have to provide that would not only convince the reader before they tried it for themselves, but also work for every single player that tries it? Because that's what a fact is, you know. Gravity is there for everyone. 2 is always more than 1. A feather is lighter than a truck, everywhere. If your method doesn't work for everyone, it's a subjective method, and presenting it objectively is wrong and only leads to misunderstandings, which people are quite good at causing.
Basically what I'm saying is that not providing facts, for an argument based on facts, could indeed confuse(trick) people, sure. But does arguing something that can't be proven and backing yourself up as much as possible have the same effect? Say I argue that it's best to study while listening to music. Could that be proven, most likely not, and if so, probably fairly inconclusively. Why is that? It's because everybody is different. In order to convince others that my argument is correct, I'll try to back it up with subjective statements that sound credible, basically making seemingly objective statements out of subjective thoughts.
Amphetamine wrote:
credibility increases the affinity for the readers to agree with the writer
I never said it would help you. Have a nice day?Tess wrote:
But that I agree with you doesn't mean that what you said will help me~
Amphetamine wrote:
and also, increases thought on their end on what is being said on whatever topic.
When someone finds something more real and something they can relate to, they'll be more likely to question it and how it affects them because it is relevant.Tess wrote:
This didn't make sense to me.
Amphetamine wrote:
You want to know the secret though...
This entire thread is subjective advice.
Guess it worked, eh?
[/quote]Tess wrote:
And down the drain goes your entire post, which makes me pretty sad. It was a good post, fun to reply to, yet you disagree with everything you've said with your little "secret". First you say that the only way this thread could work is if it were as objective as possible. Then you go on to say that said objective information should be presented in such a way that it can be interpreted subjectively, by everyone, so that it can work for as many people as possible. Then you go on to say that objectivity in an argument creates credibility for the writer, and makes the reader more eager to agree with him and think about stuff.
No. Actually, this is where your post goes entirely down the drain. What you seem to have not grasped is the fact that I told what I said was subjective for a reason. You said "giving objective advice to subjective players with arbitrary skillsets blah blah blah." Point being that the advice comes across as objective although it is actually not. Like I said, what's more important is how the writing comes across to the reader, and judging from your first comment, it came across as objective.
Now you can kick and scream and argue all you want, however, they're your words. You can say "oh well i was just trying to say that so(insert excuse here" be my guest. My point is that the post is marketed in a way that makes subjective advice look more objective to readers, and as such, is more relevant to the reader, is more credible, is more relatable, and creates food for thought on the subject at hand in an organized way that makes it look more like it's based on fact. That was my point for saying it needs to be as objective as possible. Regardless of whether it helps anyone is another matter entirely, however, you seem to be arguing over something so trivial as objectivity and subjectivity so vehemently that I felt it would be almost insulting to not respond. Truthfully, we both are. What's the point in arguing over a misunderstanding?
You don't have to agree with me, you can think anything you want. I appreciate other schools of thought, however, I like to see the reasons behind them. I appreciate you taking the time to write all this out, because honestly, it was pretty fun arguing with you (psst. don't take that the wrong way) It's rare to find someone who actually makes me think this much. Well played sir. (handhshake)
Too long too read.
Well, I read your entire post, but... To be honest; not only do you not make sense, it also seems as though your reply is written purely for the sake of disagreeing. Which is, just like the end of the post I replied to, rather disappointing. I could reply to everything you said but that would only derail the thread - I was assuming it would stop at my post, anyway.
So, to bring things back on track; I firmly believe that "play more" isn't the way to "get better", nor are any of the snippets of advice that I've seen in this thread. That doesn't mean that none of it works - some of it makes sense, like editing your settings to make things more playable, practicing different kinds of methods and play styles, and trying not to get too frustrated when things don't work out. But people seem to have romantic interest in the idea of a "golden solution", a single answer to all of your problems - because it's easy! If all you had to do was focus on one thing, then all you would need is time to get you anywhere. And I see that as an answer a lot of the time; "How do I get better?" "Play more." "Practice moar." "Play more hard stuff."
That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, as there are at least five major and several other minor aspects to consider while trying to improve this game - playing more is only the natural effect of trying to develop said aspects. Now, everyone plays differently, so I doubt that I could tell you how to develop anything and have it work consistently with you, but I'll list the aspects you should consider when thinking about how to practice - perhaps that could nudge some of the people here into a more healthy direction, provided that they're willing to improve, instead of looking for a golden answer. If you want the easy way to get good scores - use hacks. If you want to actually get good, work hard and efficiently. It's not rocket science.
The things to be considered, and their respective questions that come with them, are;
Aim - What makes me or other players aim well? What can get in the way of good aiming? What kinds of maps would I need to play to train my aim?
Speed - Why are some players faster than others? How can I play faster without reducing my accuracy too much? How do I read faster without losing my ability to read slower?
Accuracy - What determines how accurate I am? Why are thelewa and Bikko so much more accurate than other players? How can I train my accuracy simultaneously with my speed and aim?
Reading - How should I define "reading", and why would that definition help me improve as a player? What can I do to practice my reading without getting bored? How do MillhioreF or BluOxy look at the screen while they're playing, and why does this enable them to play EZ and FL so well?
Consistency - How do I practice my consistency? Why are players like doctorindark so much more consistent than others? When have I been more consistent in the past, and what did I do then that I could start doing again in the present?
Once you start thinking more in-depth about these things, you need to take the precaution of assuming that the conclusion you draw about them will most likely be incorrect, and be constantly trying to find holes in your own logic, until you can't anymore. In short;
Ask questions -> Find answers -> Work the flaws out of the answers -> Repeat with your increased knowledge
Add this to your practice routine and you'll be surprised how well it works, provided you put the required amount of effort into it. Then again, if you're not willing to put in effort, you shouldn't complain about sucking~
So, to bring things back on track; I firmly believe that "play more" isn't the way to "get better", nor are any of the snippets of advice that I've seen in this thread. That doesn't mean that none of it works - some of it makes sense, like editing your settings to make things more playable, practicing different kinds of methods and play styles, and trying not to get too frustrated when things don't work out. But people seem to have romantic interest in the idea of a "golden solution", a single answer to all of your problems - because it's easy! If all you had to do was focus on one thing, then all you would need is time to get you anywhere. And I see that as an answer a lot of the time; "How do I get better?" "Play more." "Practice moar." "Play more hard stuff."
That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, as there are at least five major and several other minor aspects to consider while trying to improve this game - playing more is only the natural effect of trying to develop said aspects. Now, everyone plays differently, so I doubt that I could tell you how to develop anything and have it work consistently with you, but I'll list the aspects you should consider when thinking about how to practice - perhaps that could nudge some of the people here into a more healthy direction, provided that they're willing to improve, instead of looking for a golden answer. If you want the easy way to get good scores - use hacks. If you want to actually get good, work hard and efficiently. It's not rocket science.
The things to be considered, and their respective questions that come with them, are;
Aim - What makes me or other players aim well? What can get in the way of good aiming? What kinds of maps would I need to play to train my aim?
Speed - Why are some players faster than others? How can I play faster without reducing my accuracy too much? How do I read faster without losing my ability to read slower?
Accuracy - What determines how accurate I am? Why are thelewa and Bikko so much more accurate than other players? How can I train my accuracy simultaneously with my speed and aim?
Reading - How should I define "reading", and why would that definition help me improve as a player? What can I do to practice my reading without getting bored? How do MillhioreF or BluOxy look at the screen while they're playing, and why does this enable them to play EZ and FL so well?
Consistency - How do I practice my consistency? Why are players like doctorindark so much more consistent than others? When have I been more consistent in the past, and what did I do then that I could start doing again in the present?
Once you start thinking more in-depth about these things, you need to take the precaution of assuming that the conclusion you draw about them will most likely be incorrect, and be constantly trying to find holes in your own logic, until you can't anymore. In short;
Ask questions -> Find answers -> Work the flaws out of the answers -> Repeat with your increased knowledge
Add this to your practice routine and you'll be surprised how well it works, provided you put the required amount of effort into it. Then again, if you're not willing to put in effort, you shouldn't complain about sucking~
I'm sorry if that's how you interpreted it. It was definitely not my intention to. Please understand that when you say things such as "you do not make sense" and that a part is "disappointing" I feel that it is a fault on my part, and as such, it is my obligation to explain myself as best I can in order to show that I have reason for my thinking so that it doesn't just look like some thoughtless b.s. thrown out there for the sake of nothing more than argument. That may have been counterproductive in this case, due to the fact that, my patterns of thought are quite disorganized and the fact that it was really late at night(or early in the morning?). To that end, if I have somehow come across that I'm antagonizing you or arguing with you just for funsies I apologize. I'll say it again, it is most definitely not my intention to do so. I think we simply had conflicting ideas and that's completely fine.Tess wrote:
Well, I read your entire post, but... To be honest; not only do you not make sense, it also seems as though your reply is written purely for the sake of disagreeing. Which is, just like the end of the post I replied to, rather disappointing. I could reply to everything you said but that would only derail the thread - I was assuming it would stop at my post, anyway.
Yes, yes, yes, and more yes!!!!!! I could not agree with you more. This is the type of response I love. I think you make awesome points, and although I'm sure you don't need nor really want my approval, I still believe that your points on aim, speed, accuracy, reading, and consistency are truly something that should be taken into consideration more by people who want to improve. I feel as though many look for that "one best way to improve" to the point that they overlook the simple things that are the entire basis for improvement, or rather, they don't even bother practicing them because they spend all their time looking for that one-best-way to improve, however, trying to apply any type of one-best-way method of improvement will leave you nowhere. These areas, broken down with these questions, are definitely something I'll consider when I work on improvement as well. Breaking things down and questioning yourself as to how you can improve on them and coming up with your own self-specific answers definitely sounds like an awesome way to improve skills.Tess wrote:
So, to bring things back on track; I firmly believe that "play more" isn't the way to "get better", nor are any of the snippets of advice that I've seen in this thread. That doesn't mean that none of it works - some of it makes sense, like editing your settings to make things more playable, practicing different kinds of methods and play styles, and trying not to get too frustrated when things don't work out. But people seem to have romantic interest in the idea of a "golden solution", a single answer to all of your problems - because it's easy! If all you had to do was focus on one thing, then all you would need is time to get you anywhere. And I see that as an answer a lot of the time; "How do I get better?" "Play more." "Practice moar." "Play more hard stuff."
That is an incredibly stupid thing to say, as there are at least five major and several other minor aspects to consider while trying to improve this game - playing more is only the natural effect of trying to develop said aspects. Now, everyone plays differently, so I doubt that I could tell you how to develop anything and have it work consistently with you, but I'll list the aspects you should consider when thinking about how to practice - perhaps that could nudge some of the people here into a more healthy direction, provided that they're willing to improve, instead of looking for a golden answer. If you want the easy way to get good scores - use hacks. If you want to actually get good, work hard and efficiently. It's not rocket science.
The things to be considered, and their respective questions that come with them, are;
Aim - What makes me or other players aim well? What can get in the way of good aiming? What kinds of maps would I need to play to train my aim?
Speed - Why are some players faster than others? How can I play faster without reducing my accuracy too much? How do I read faster without losing my ability to read slower?
Accuracy - What determines how accurate I am? Why are thelewa and Bikko so much more accurate than other players? How can I train my accuracy simultaneously with my speed and aim?
Reading - How should I define "reading", and why would that definition help me improve as a player? What can I do to practice my reading without getting bored? How do MillhioreF or BluOxy look at the screen while they're playing, and why does this enable them to play EZ and FL so well?
Consistency - How do I practice my consistency? Why are players like doctorindark so much more consistent than others? When have I been more consistent in the past, and what did I do then that I could start doing again in the present?
Once you start thinking more in-depth about these things, you need to take the precaution of assuming that the conclusion you draw about them will most likely be incorrect, and be constantly trying to find holes in your own logic, until you can't anymore. In short;
Ask questions -> Find answers -> Work the flaws out of the answers -> Repeat with your increased knowledge
Add this to your practice routine and you'll be surprised how well it works, provided you put the required amount of effort into it. Then again, if you're not willing to put in effort, you shouldn't complain about sucking~
Well, thanks for taking the time to reply, and I'm glad you liked my advice. Do try to be careful with quotespam in the future, though. And you don't come across as antagonizing or rude or whatever, I don't think that so easily of people.
This was honestly the best piece of advice I have read till now. Thank you.Tess wrote:
I firmly believe that...
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For anyone trying to improve in a skill, I would recommend a book named "The Little Book of Talent." It's an easy read that basically runs through a "menu" of practice techniques. You might find some that apply.
And don't lose heart. In Osu (and also in many other games), skill is NOT infinite. To see the upper bound, engage the "Auto" mod in-game and watch. It is possible, given enough time and effort, for you to reach the top.
And don't lose heart. In Osu (and also in many other games), skill is NOT infinite. To see the upper bound, engage the "Auto" mod in-game and watch. It is possible, given enough time and effort, for you to reach the top.
Raw input overrides windows settings.Nikkumi wrote:
Tried it and it feels fairly similar. Possibly smoother than before.B1rd wrote:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265192/dpi- ... nter-speed
according to this, 8/11 multiplies dpi by 2. So try 1600dpi with raw input.
Would it be a good idea to fall back to 6/11? I've read that the pointer skips counts above 6/11, although I got to admit I'm not sure what that means.
I'm just at the point where I've been playing at 8/11 for 9 days after a two month hiatus, so my muscle memory was sort of "reset" until that point (or maybe I'm wrong since I don't know how muscle memory works exactly).
I've read that you generally shouldn't change settings too much and stick to one, so I don't know what to do.
But it's possible you can get wonky performance with some game/hardware combos.
In that case it's "best" to use 6/11 or below in windows. Since you are going to get skipped pixels above that. But most people don't even notice.
It all comes down to personal preference. I know people who prefer to have some mouse acceleration whereas I bought my mouse mainly due to the sensor being completely acc. free.
I really need some serious zen monk tips on controlling my nerves. Its so bad I can feel blood rushing to my head and my hands shaking even when I'm about to FC maps that would give me NOTHING.
I cant even play goddamn hards without my heartbeat raising if I'm on a high combo. I keep telling myself to 'stay calm who cares if you miss' but it only works until I'm actually doing well and then I just lose my cool. Its so goddamn frustrating to be cruising through a map at 99% acc, a map that you should be EASILY able to FC, and then just fucking choke it 98% of time on the dumbest shit you've managed to do 50 times before.
90% of my fuckups involve going over a single note and just not pressing it, it doesnt even have to be a jump.
All my FCs are basically flukes where I managed to supress my pen hands shaking/brains refusals to press buttons enough to somehow hit all the notes. I always lose my acc at the end of the song because of this too.
Why is this game s0 hard.
I cant even play goddamn hards without my heartbeat raising if I'm on a high combo. I keep telling myself to 'stay calm who cares if you miss' but it only works until I'm actually doing well and then I just lose my cool. Its so goddamn frustrating to be cruising through a map at 99% acc, a map that you should be EASILY able to FC, and then just fucking choke it 98% of time on the dumbest shit you've managed to do 50 times before.
90% of my fuckups involve going over a single note and just not pressing it, it doesnt even have to be a jump.
All my FCs are basically flukes where I managed to supress my pen hands shaking/brains refusals to press buttons enough to somehow hit all the notes. I always lose my acc at the end of the song because of this too.
Why is this game s0 hard.
Why do you even care anyway? I get if you are trying to be competitive and all, but getting angry over stuff like that... I just don't get it. Well, actually, that's a lie, I DO get it, a long time ago I often got frustrated at video games too.
When I couldn't pass a level on Super Mario or Contra or whatever I used to get really mad... and then one day I was playing something and I thought "You know what, fuck it, it's just a stupid video game, I get enough things that frustrate me in real life, I don't need to add video games to the mix too."
What worked for me, is that I've accepted with a 100% certainty that I will never get good at osu, I'll never achieve a 3-digit rank( hell, I might not even achieve a 4-digit rank). And believe it or not, since I've accepted that, I'm having much more fun when I play.
I realize that this may not work for you and if you're dead set on becoming good, than who am I to stop you?! Just be prepared to continue getting frustrated over random misses etc.
For me, it's not worth it.
When I couldn't pass a level on Super Mario or Contra or whatever I used to get really mad... and then one day I was playing something and I thought "You know what, fuck it, it's just a stupid video game, I get enough things that frustrate me in real life, I don't need to add video games to the mix too."
What worked for me, is that I've accepted with a 100% certainty that I will never get good at osu, I'll never achieve a 3-digit rank( hell, I might not even achieve a 4-digit rank). And believe it or not, since I've accepted that, I'm having much more fun when I play.
I realize that this may not work for you and if you're dead set on becoming good, than who am I to stop you?! Just be prepared to continue getting frustrated over random misses etc.
For me, it's not worth it.
Its not about getting angry (yeah its frustrating but I wouldnt call it full blown anger) but about getting so ungodly nervous that I'm gonna fuck up that my aim and tapping becomes erratic, this usually leads to fucking up so its a vicious cycle of fuck uppery.
Good news, I barely breathe after I reach half combo on a song so I'm an expert at that.Nikkumi wrote:
Try to manage your breathing better.