Edit: rrtyui actually SSed Big Black xD
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ScarletStory
Grapheon wrote:
Edit: rrtyui actually SSed Big Black xD
Hmm i was unaware that rrtyui started playing osu! 24 days ago... I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......ScarletStory wrote:
I believe a lot of people overlooked the fact that I said "on the first day they ever played osu"...lazyrifi wrote:
LOL rrtyui got SS in The Big Black, time to update the post
Sounds like a good idea.ScarletStory wrote:
I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
ScarletStory
I thought so too haha. At the same time, however, I'm prepared to watch as it inevitably fails to get the point across anyway.GoldenWolf wrote:
Sounds like a good idea.ScarletStory wrote:
I'm seriously going to have to bold underline italicize color code and smash that statement into peoples eyes aren't I?.......
*facepalm*This "post" was freaking hilarious and really helped me point out my own flaws, I've been "half ass snapping" to stuff like slower songs and my muscles have been tense at some harder songs aswell, I'm very new to Osu, but I feel like I've learned it pretty quickly (Mouse user, keyboard for tapping)
Thanks alot though!
edited "thread", to "post" because I have OCD about it, don't judge.
Thanks alot though!
edited "thread", to "post" because I have OCD about it, don't judge.
This thread was very helpful , Thank you for making this and putting such a great effort into it! ;3 <3
When I click on Scarlet's profile it says 'user not found'?
I still don't get how I can effectively stop myself from freezing in streams. I've also noticed that, if there is a slider at the end of a stream, I will notice it and hold the key down and miss the last 3 hits which, just like it was mentioned in the text, causes me to speed up in compensation. This makes me miss even more and causes my accuracy to go down. I would like some advice regarding streaming, but if someone says "practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
It's the whole purpose of practicing, doing something you can't do efficiently at first to then being able to do it.DahplA wrote:
but if someone says "practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
You need to practice, sorry to say it, but you need to practice to keep your calm in streams, don't panic, just relax and follow the 'beat' like you normally would. Practicing on keeping your calm will eventually lead you to not have those problems.DahplA wrote:
practice" I will slap them. Can't practice something I couldn't do efficiently in the first place.
There is NO OTHER WAY but practice.
Sure that's true, but I still think it's wrong to just dismiss any request for help with "practice, nuff said".GoldenWolf wrote:
It's the whole purpose of practicing, doing something you can't do efficiently at first to then being able to do it.
Most people here seem to forget that HOW you practice makes all the difference. When you want to be good at playing an instrument, bad inefficient practice won't get you anywhere, it'll just lead to you forming bad habits which will stop you from being able to play more advanced stuff in the long run. Even when that's not the case, smart practice makes the learning process a lot more efficient.
Of course in osu! this knowledge isn't that readily available, still it would be more helpful for people to actually answer in detail what worked for them, how they overcame such obstacles, etc. it might just help.
I for one can't do streams too well at or over 170 and I'm having problems with shorter bursts above 200-210 too, and I can't decide if my hand position is sub-optimal for streaming (you can't really play the piano well either if you're sitting way too low, too high, or too close/too far) or it's fine and it's not hindering my practice. Tried a lot of different ways, but I just can't tell if it's actually any better and I tend to go back to the usual one. Also not sure whether I should play slow streams that i can play without tensing up and bottoming out, faster ones where I can't keep up unless I tense up a bit and press harder, short ones or longer ones etc. "Practice" is very broad.
Layne_old_1
Alright, let's be clear about this. I'm going to obnoxiously bold every single statement I find are important.
It's gonna be a long and messy post (too lazy to tidy it up once I start writing this), but try to read it from my view.
The word practice as taken from a dictionary:
If we were to put it into osu!'s context, to perform or exercise your skills in osu! would mean to commit and dedicate yourself to this game for a long period of time every day to improve or maintain one's proficiency (meaning SKILL). Most of this game is muscle memory so you probably won't lose a lot of skill if you don't play for a long period of time.
Let's break it up for the serious players (because I don't cater to casuals):
Commit and Dedicate:
To Commit and Dedicate yourself to this game is definitely the first step to improvement.
You have to be in the right mindset to be able to improve.
Don't or try not to involve your emotions while playing this game, play this game like a robot.
What this means is to play every damn map you see regardless of how bad the song may sound, but make sure it's something you can somewhat manage, difficulty-wise. (And that I'll leave it up to you to check it out for yourself, so it's pretty much trial & error).
This way, you have the habit of playing whatever you see and not what you jam to. (honestly, it's a very good habit to have.. at least for LR2/IIDX since you're able to spam all 8s/9s/10s)
Not only that, you are also presented a plethora of patterns, rhythms, and different mapping styles.
Yeah, you're gonna have to get used to it, sadly.
Long period of time everyday:
Let's face it, everyone has a busy schedule.
To me, 1-2 hours isn't going to cut it if you're looking for a serious improvement!
I know that I can't say I'm right about scheduling to play osu!, but when I played this game, I spent 10-16 hours a day (during summer only) to improve in all aspects of this game.
So I would say perhaps spend a hell load of time every day (4+ hours) and keep it that way.
Though don't prioritize osu! over social life and your work ethics. But do prioritize it over free-time if you really really wish to get better.
Now the 'I can't practice because I suck at it' part.
Alright, so the first rule to approaching this is to 'repeat with variation.'
Variation meaning repeat songs that have a similar situation in patterning, perhaps lower in difficulty.
'How do I find those types of songs that are similar in difficulty?'
Good question, I don't know. So... that comes from experience and playing many songs as I remember many different patterning in most songs I play.
I usually pull it up from memory when it comes to patterns anyways.
I won't tell you strictly 'what you should practice' and 'what not to practice' because that is all up to you to find out for yourself. Try not to ask others on what map to play. There is no 'right way to play' or the 'right maps' to play. Play them all, play all the maps you can even no matter how bad it is. I will emphasize again over and over.
SO MAKE THIS A HABIT. A habit forms once you repeat a routine for 21 days+, so dedicate to a mental plan of practising!!
It's gonna be a long and messy post (too lazy to tidy it up once I start writing this), but try to read it from my view.
The word practice as taken from a dictionary:
If we were to put it into osu!'s context, to perform or exercise your skills in osu! would mean to commit and dedicate yourself to this game for a long period of time every day to improve or maintain one's proficiency (meaning SKILL). Most of this game is muscle memory so you probably won't lose a lot of skill if you don't play for a long period of time.
Let's break it up for the serious players (because I don't cater to casuals):
Commit and Dedicate:
To Commit and Dedicate yourself to this game is definitely the first step to improvement.
You have to be in the right mindset to be able to improve.
Don't or try not to involve your emotions while playing this game, play this game like a robot.
What this means is to play every damn map you see regardless of how bad the song may sound, but make sure it's something you can somewhat manage, difficulty-wise. (And that I'll leave it up to you to check it out for yourself, so it's pretty much trial & error).
This way, you have the habit of playing whatever you see and not what you jam to. (honestly, it's a very good habit to have.. at least for LR2/IIDX since you're able to spam all 8s/9s/10s)
Not only that, you are also presented a plethora of patterns, rhythms, and different mapping styles.
Yeah, you're gonna have to get used to it, sadly.
Long period of time everyday:
Let's face it, everyone has a busy schedule.
To me, 1-2 hours isn't going to cut it if you're looking for a serious improvement!
I know that I can't say I'm right about scheduling to play osu!, but when I played this game, I spent 10-16 hours a day (during summer only) to improve in all aspects of this game.
So I would say perhaps spend a hell load of time every day (4+ hours) and keep it that way.
Though don't prioritize osu! over social life and your work ethics. But do prioritize it over free-time if you really really wish to get better.
Now the 'I can't practice because I suck at it' part.
Alright, so the first rule to approaching this is to 'repeat with variation.'
Variation meaning repeat songs that have a similar situation in patterning, perhaps lower in difficulty.
'How do I find those types of songs that are similar in difficulty?'
Good question, I don't know. So... that comes from experience and playing many songs as I remember many different patterning in most songs I play.
I usually pull it up from memory when it comes to patterns anyways.
I won't tell you strictly 'what you should practice' and 'what not to practice' because that is all up to you to find out for yourself. Try not to ask others on what map to play. There is no 'right way to play' or the 'right maps' to play. Play them all, play all the maps you can even no matter how bad it is. I will emphasize again over and over.
SO MAKE THIS A HABIT. A habit forms once you repeat a routine for 21 days+, so dedicate to a mental plan of practising!!
So after realising how much of an idiot I sounded like when I wrote that, I have made a resolution to just play the maps I suck at. I will just complete the maps over and over and practicing even if I do get C-D ranks, bad accuracy and so forth. Just so playing these maps become almost natural.
banned probably.B1rd wrote:
When I click on Scarlet's profile it says 'user not found'?
I'm going to assume what I've done for now (and continue for days to come) was proper practicing...Where you actually do things. This "practicing" thing is going to take...a very, very, long time isn't it.
Yes, it takes a very long time to improve, and the better you get the slower any improvement becomes.
As Layne said, if you play everything, play often, play a lot you will eventually become good.
As Layne said, if you play everything, play often, play a lot you will eventually become good.
Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
Edit: I guess I was such a fool to ever think this would be easy...But at least it can only get better, more challenging and more fun.
Edit: I guess I was such a fool to ever think this would be easy...But at least it can only get better, more challenging and more fun.
Find more maps and try the new maps on easiest->hardest by playing maps on trivial difficulties, you will improve your sense of rhytm(not saying you should play easy all the time but try it now again when you get new maps)DahplA wrote:
Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
You shouldn't try to stay on the same maps 24/7, if you do so then you will surely remember the song after like 100 replays, but as Layne said, if you play different maps you will learn more patterns and you will have an easier time dealing with them in other beatmaps.
Thanks. I've been spending my time trying to find maps that are around 4.0 - 4.5 stars ranking and trying them out. I've discovered that around this level, S ranks are much harder, which is nice. It brings more of a challenge.Andersfc wrote:
Find more maps and try the new maps on easiest->hardest by playing maps on trivial difficulties, you will improve your sense of rhytm(not saying you should play easy all the time but try it now again when you get new maps)DahplA wrote:
Should I try to spend time doing few maps that I know are challenging or invest more time finding more maps?
You shouldn't try to stay on the same maps 24/7, if you do so then you will surely remember the song after like 100 replays, but as Layne said, if you play different maps you will learn more patterns and you will have an easier time dealing with them in other beatmaps.
Just another problem I have here. When I stream, it's very random. I sometimes either do the whole stream with 1 or 2 100's but other times, I am completely off rhythm and end up getting at least 3 50's. Are there any tips I can get (other than practice, I know that much) to help me. I paying attention to the approach circles helps a lot and makes me more accurate.
Mizuno Yui
Streams are a bitch 
I'm still struggling with them, and a couple of things that seemed to help were these:
1) playing with speakers instead of headphones - hearing the sound of keys helped me notice I was off
2) spending some time playing those stream practice maps and staring at the hit error bar
3) not being so nervous and starting the stream too early
4) repeating the map long enough I memorize the song/melody/all that fancy music stuff
I'm still struggling with them, and a couple of things that seemed to help were these:1) playing with speakers instead of headphones - hearing the sound of keys helped me notice I was off
2) spending some time playing those stream practice maps and staring at the hit error bar
3) not being so nervous and starting the stream too early
4) repeating the map long enough I memorize the song/melody/all that fancy music stuff
Figured out why I couldn't stream well. I wasn't hitting them fast enough, although this doesn't apply to slower maps.
so recently I started adopting to a new playstyle - Lifting my pinky when playing fast maps/or streaming. initially I thought my speed would come more naturally with that but as it became habitual I tend to "freeze up" alot more during transitions. (as in, fast singles to streams, or fast singles to fast triples) It might be because I never have really single tapped much besides fast jumps in my past osu experience, and i don't know whether or not this is a good practice or not. I gain more control when I hold down my pinky, but I lose out on too much speed and accuracy and it was became extremely aggravating for me since I feel like I'm playing below the skill level I used to play at.
What I've found is that as long as you're tapping with your keyboard, there are better ways to play, but most of us will never get to the level of skill that it matters. Yeah, tablet is easier than mouse, but if you don't have fun with a tablet, then why use it?
The way you get better at Osu is just by playing a lot, and the way to play the most is to have fun with it. You don't get better if you aren't having fun.
My friend tried to get me to just keep on AR 10 + maps all the time, but I wasn't having fun. I dedicated to it for about a week but I stopped playing slowly. I found out that if I stick to AR9-AR10 maps it is a lot more enjoyable for me, and that means I play more, and that means I get better faster even though I am playing 'easier' maps.
The way you get better at Osu is just by playing a lot, and the way to play the most is to have fun with it. You don't get better if you aren't having fun.
My friend tried to get me to just keep on AR 10 + maps all the time, but I wasn't having fun. I dedicated to it for about a week but I stopped playing slowly. I found out that if I stick to AR9-AR10 maps it is a lot more enjoyable for me, and that means I play more, and that means I get better faster even though I am playing 'easier' maps.
how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
1. there's not many ranked ar10 maps, and the ones that are are pretty hard [or impossible] to get good combos on for sub 1kVioletMaid wrote:
how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
2. hard rock sucks for pp
being able to read and play ar10 isnt that important in this ranking system really, and most of the people sub 10k who train ar10 get less accurate at lower AR's and hard rock OD and their ranks hurt even more from it.
makes sense, why not train/practice other things than ar10 then if they won't be able to play any of the ranked maps for a long time?Bassist Vinyl wrote:
1. there's not many ranked ar10 maps, and the ones that are are pretty hard [or impossible] to get good combos on for sub 1kVioletMaid wrote:
how the are all these above 10k ranked people able to read and play ar10, and why aren't they below rank 10k if they can read ar10
2. hard rock sucks for pp
being able to read and play ar10 isnt that important in this ranking system really, and most of the people sub 10k who train ar10 get less accurate at lower AR's and hard rock OD and their ranks hurt even more from it.
Most of them are just having fun playing AR10
Some are just retarded and think AR10 is the key to be a pro, so they play that all day and then months later they realize they were all wrong, so they proceed to spend months trying to get some reading skills and they struggle a ton because they're too used to AR10
The latter is totally not me
Some are just retarded and think AR10 is the key to be a pro, so they play that all day and then months later they realize they were all wrong, so they proceed to spend months trying to get some reading skills and they struggle a ton because they're too used to AR10
The latter is totally not me
Although in my case it really is the equipment. My keyboard is about to give out soon, I can feel it. The Shift, Z, and Q key are giving out with the shift key being near dead. I've since moved my tapping keys around eventually making way to numpad 1 and 2. Do not buy a rapoo E1050 they will bleed your fingers and don't last long.
I haven't bought a replacement yet because I'm saving up for a mechanical one. Too bad they're so darn expensive, it'll take me a while before I get one. I'm so bad at saving up lol.
I haven't bought a replacement yet because I'm saving up for a mechanical one. Too bad they're so darn expensive, it'll take me a while before I get one. I'm so bad at saving up lol.
To be honest, I find it easier to use a tablet compared to the mouse. Well, that's just me.
Any maps that will give a lot of pp?
Go see what the top 10 players' best performances are and play those maps. They will give you a lot of pp.
(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
Please no.Gigo wrote:
(sigh) This forum needs a Kappa emoticon.
The snap thing is probably the only thing I didn't know from what I read here, and yet, been a crappy player for over 2 years now. :/
I wish there was an easy way to control my nerves so that I stop tensing up. *sigh*
I wish there was an easy way to control my nerves so that I stop tensing up. *sigh*
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
move to korea and go to cookiezis houselovu wrote:
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
Agreed c:buny wrote:
move to korea and go to cookiezis houselovu wrote:
to all of you seek skill
Korean proverb saying if you want to catch the tiger, you need to go to a cave of tiger
what should you do?
Just become a korean you will become pro in moments.
It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
sayo is betterDatPenguinTho wrote:
It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
edit:/ proven by pp
edit2:/ ofcourse he snaps but sayo is still better,proven by pp
Go watch rrtyui's Rainbow After Snow replay, he doesn't snap enough for most people to think he is snapping.f i z i k wrote:
sayo is betterDatPenguinTho wrote:
It may have been mentioned previous, but rrtyui doesn't snap to notes and he is by far the best player in osu! currently (pp doesn't prove skill for all those about to say that sayo is better)
edit:/ proven by pp
edit2:/ ofcourse he snaps but sayo is still better,proven by pp
Sayo is not better, he even says that himself. Plus, pp does not prove anything as look at HappyStick, he is amazing at the game yet he is below people he is better than.
want to say its a bull#$*( in fact every1 can start playing ar 9 maps but it you stay at this point etc me for like month and you have tryhard for real to complete a map in fullcombo( if you are korean) it is worthless, to be honest i have seen my improve to ar 9 but it ended up, however i keep playing this game and just started looking for threads like this one. Dunno why but i feel like my skill ended up, even after following ur tips cant do s%&*.
I would probably go with the ladder.got it
when you see long streams, you prepare the ladder.
thx m8 doing stream never been this easy!
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
you havent played long enough to hit any walls in your progress yet but trust me they happen and they're demoralizing when they do. don't just blindly judge everyone. i wanted to quit a few months ago when i spent about 3000-4000 plays getting no better even just playing stuff i couldn't do well on but i pushed past it and started slowly improving again. just that progress wall was nearly 10 times more plays than you even have total... so yeah it can wear on the mind. i was logging in every day and getting consistently lower scores on my local rankings than my previous ones on songs i already played. nonstop. for nearly 2 months.SomeGuy147 wrote:
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
Yeah, but you like look at Dota2 or TF2 or cs go where people hit really big progress walls which makes them quit the game because of complicated tactics or too big pressure a lot of times and here people need guides with a game that is as basic as it can get. Why would you even play this if you don't enjoy it in the first placeBassist Vinyl wrote:
you havent played long enough to hit any walls in your progress yet but trust me they happen and they're demoralizing when they do. don't just blindly judge everyone. i wanted to quit a few months ago when i spent about 3000-4000 plays getting no better even just playing stuff i couldn't do well on but i pushed past it and started slowly improving again. just that progress wall was nearly 10 times more plays than you even have total... so yeah it can wear on the mind. i was logging in every day and getting consistently lower scores on my local rankings than my previous ones on songs i already played. nonstop. for nearly 2 months.SomeGuy147 wrote:
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
its simple but by no means easy. its hard to explain and you probably wouldnt understand it anyway you just need to play more and see for yourself.
Hmm... where do i start here... Well let me just say that I can somewhat see where you're coming from someguy the concept of the game is fairly simplistic I mean you don't have to be a genius to play osu! but let me also say that if you simplify things that much, then of course, you could make anything look pretty friggin easy. Oh Dota2 capture other teams side pick up a few items get some skills learn some strategies simply by playing. See what i mean? I believe Dota2 is probably a fairly hard game (reason being why I'll never play it) but osu! and Dota2 are both difficult just in different ways. Dota2 requires more mental reasoning and planning and strategizing. osu! is probably more taxing physically requiring you to use your hands repetitively, build up muscle memory, It's also fairly taxing mentally having to have patience, learning how to read maps and patterns, learning how to not smash your computer into a million pieces when you keep missing the same thing over and over etuhcuh(etc.).SomeGuy147 wrote:
Does anybody srs need this huge of a guide? This is a game where you press a circle and after that you press another one and maybe hold it few times and spin it once or twice its as basic as it gets. Why would you need a guide for it. Only thing that you need to do is consistently play. That's only useful tip you can give. Everyone who complains "I am not improving" is mostly 1st day player or just fat arses who can't be bothered to actually play the game so they just complain. That's my take on this.
Yeah, but you like look at Dota2 or TF2 or cs go where people hit really big progress walls which makes them quit the game because of complicated tactics or too big pressure a lot of times and here people need guides with a game that is as basic as it can get. Why would you even play this if you don't enjoy it in the first place
Now I'm not gonna make this an "osu! IS HARDER THAN DOTA2" comment because first off that's not what the point is, and second I've never played Dota2 (thank god). The thing with the games you listed is that there is (for the most part) a clear and precise way to improve primarily through mental processing. If you had the ability to memorize every strategy, you could probably do just fine in the game granted you didn't have issues clicking buttons, in which case, why are you using a computer in the first place? The thing about osu! is that there really is no one surefire set way to get better in fact there's so many different ways you could improve that trying to create a one best way method would be completely pointless. You have to take it upon yourself to go in and find your own way to learn, first hand, thrown into the deep end.
Sure you could say that "OH well if that's the case just go in and play harder songs get better" and state it as simple as that if you wanted, and if you did, I'd believe you should reconsider. The thing is that playing songs to improve itself becomes the issue most of the time because of a few small things. You seem to have missed the fact that you can practice something for hours and never get much closer to actually doing it correctly. Maybe you're playing a map and you constantly get a combo break on a slider and can't figure out why, or maybe, you always seem to miss a stream that you know you are fast enough to be able to do. That is what i like to call hitting a wall. Most of the time we hit that wall because we are either:
A) Not skilled enough
or
B) We haven't really been playing correctly in the first place
Now the thing about this is that you can go quite a looooong time without ever realizing you were doing something wrong in the first place. Not following sliders all the way through leads to slider breaks. "NO I SWEAR I'M DOING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH" Then if you look back at your replays on half time you'd probably be surprised at just how much osu! allows you to be wrong and still counts it as being done correctly. The only problem with that is when you play more difficult songs those sliders are a lot more unforgiving and your combo breaks but you don't realize why because you've been doing the same thing you've always been doing and it has never steered you wrong before. That's the real issue.
Why does someone need a guide for a game like osu!... I would say it's because of the fact that it seems so easy. The first time i watched someone playing osu i thought "Oh yeah that's easy could do it no problem SS every song" but when i actually played it i realized i had no idea what the double F*@#$ I was doing. Not only that, I also had no idea what i was doing wrong because in my head I was doing everything perfectly only to finish an easy song with a 75% thinking that someone in the world of osu! was out to get me... Okay I wasn't that paranoid...(or was I?!?!... I kind of was) The point is that a lot of times you're doing things incorrectly that you think you're doing correctly so how exactly are you supposed to ever figure out how to fix something if you don't know what the problem is in the first place? You start at the basics, however, if you never grasp the basics in the first place then how are you supposed to know where the hell to start? You look for advice from outside sources. If these outside sources simply say "PLAY MORE PRACTICE GET NOMNOMS GAMEOVER" then how is that ever going to help you at all? Well, they're probably not.
I'm not going to make the assumption that you haven't hit any walls yet, maybe you have and like to figure things out for yourself, hell, I don't know your life story. With that being said you should show others that same respect. Don't assume that because somebody uses others for references on how to improve it's because they're lazy or just aren't trying hard enough. Usually it's the people who try extremely hard and still fail who look for outside sources because the, as you stated, "fat arses" would have probably just given up entirely.
TL;DR version: None. I didn't write that much for my own health. If I could've found the words to shorten it don't you think I would've just done that in the first place?
Haha, so true, and I love the humour indicated in this. I belive this is the first time I've read something this long on the internet. Well done sir.
Well..
I starded playing some month ago with a good mouse and a random logitech keyboard. I used to play alternating.
Went for a tablet and serious kb with reds 3 weeks ago and played a bit. My aim went on par with mouse after a few days, but my tapping felt weird, so i started to play mostly singletapping (mostly due to the many threads on the forums which say "it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
In addition, during this transition to new equip i had to move and buy new chair and desk.
Since the switch not only i've not seen any improvement, but i'm slowly getting worse, i don't even know if that's possible.
Right now i'm rotating beetween 15-20 maps i like and i think that's a major issue.
What i'm supposed to do now?
I'm the kind of guy who plays a map over and over 'till fc, is this a bad thing if you want to improve?
What kind of maps should i play? My streaming is dumb over 150 bpm, even if i'm decent at jumping i often break sliders and miss the random easy parts
I'm depressed ~_~
I starded playing some month ago with a good mouse and a random logitech keyboard. I used to play alternating.
Went for a tablet and serious kb with reds 3 weeks ago and played a bit. My aim went on par with mouse after a few days, but my tapping felt weird, so i started to play mostly singletapping (mostly due to the many threads on the forums which say "it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
In addition, during this transition to new equip i had to move and buy new chair and desk.
Since the switch not only i've not seen any improvement, but i'm slowly getting worse, i don't even know if that's possible.
Right now i'm rotating beetween 15-20 maps i like and i think that's a major issue.
What i'm supposed to do now?
I'm the kind of guy who plays a map over and over 'till fc, is this a bad thing if you want to improve?
What kind of maps should i play? My streaming is dumb over 150 bpm, even if i'm decent at jumping i often break sliders and miss the random easy parts
I'm depressed ~_~
its funny that even the claims of "300 bpm streaming" when people say you'll be cookiezi are purely ironic. Cookiezi was terrible at high bpm streams. We have people now that can stream faster than cookie easily like happystick. It was his only real weakness though.Antares wrote:
"it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
play more get used to the switch. you made a pretty big one to be sure. 15-20 maps isnt enough to transition properly imo. turn on snaking sliders, if ind thats better for doing/reading sliders, random missing easy parts is a fact of life.
Going to completely ignore the conversation up ^there.
I agree with everything, I like to impress people, but not all the time.
I think the key, not just to osu, but to basically a lot of other things, is moderation.
One word that literally solves everything.
Just my opinion, though. (Even though I don't follow it myself)
I agree with everything, I like to impress people, but not all the time.
I think the key, not just to osu, but to basically a lot of other things, is moderation.
One word that literally solves everything.
Just my opinion, though. (Even though I don't follow it myself)
From my experiences, I have found two ways to play this game:Antares wrote:
Well..
I starded playing some month ago with a good mouse and a random logitech keyboard. I used to play alternating.
Went for a tablet and serious kb with reds 3 weeks ago and played a bit. My aim went on par with mouse after a few days, but my tapping felt weird, so i started to play mostly singletapping (mostly due to the many threads on the forums which say "it's easier, it's better, instacookiezi 900bpm").
In addition, during this transition to new equip i had to move and buy new chair and desk.
Since the switch not only i've not seen any improvement, but i'm slowly getting worse, i don't even know if that's possible.
Right now i'm rotating beetween 15-20 maps i like and i think that's a major issue.
What i'm supposed to do now?
I'm the kind of guy who plays a map over and over 'till fc, is this a bad thing if you want to improve?
What kind of maps should i play? My streaming is dumb over 150 bpm, even if i'm decent at jumping i often break sliders and miss the random easy parts
I'm depressed ~_~
1) You can play to gain Performance Points.
2) You can play to improve.
I find that there is a distinction between these two because if I'm trying to gain Performance Points, chances are I'm going to be playing a beatmap that:
a) Isn't very challenging
b) Has very little margin for error/improvement (if I'm trying to FC a song... doesn't that mean I already have it almost mastered anyways?)
c) Must be played over and over again for the desired result, which happens to be a result nothing short of perfection
So yes, I do find problems with trying to FC songs in order to improve. Personally, I'll get frustrated when attempting the same song dozens of times in a row, to the point where I actually start doing worse than what I accomplished on my first attempt. At this point, you're playing to 'not fuck up,' and is that a realistic goal to set for yourself when playing a game like osu!?
INSTEAD, find beatmaps that you simply have difficulty passing (these do exist for everyone, although for the highest caliber of player these might be considered unranked warm up maps). Find beatmaps that you actually like for songs that you actually enjoy. Set your goal not to perfection, but to simply passing the map. Find as MANY beatmaps as you can that fit this category (I personally have a collection of about 150 maps that I alternate through; I grow tired of a single song fairly quickly).
You won't notice improvement right away, as that'd be unreasonable. However, you'll notice you are enjoying yourself a lot more as you throw yourself into extremely challenging content with a larger margin for error.
Also, add me as a friend if you'd like to talk about this in further detail some time. I have about 5500 different beatmaps on osu! and I also have friends that are extremely talented at this game that have shared their wisdom with me (<3 TrickMirror).
In short, it's fun to improve, but don't burn yourself out by trying to improve with a tactic that requires zero margin for error. That will just cause frustration and will cause you to not enjoy playing osu! as much, which is counterproductive towards improvement.
Thanks Dawgy, that's pretty much what i started to do yesterday.
Instead of playing the usual 10-20 songs, i just typed "AR=9" into the search field and played anything the F2 key brought me to. Sometimes you get the accessible map. sometimes the one you didn't pass and so on.
It's indeed a funny way to play, but, more surprisingly, i was able to fc some map on the 3th-4th play!
Added you as friend! Thanks for the detailed reply.
Instead of playing the usual 10-20 songs, i just typed "AR=9" into the search field and played anything the F2 key brought me to. Sometimes you get the accessible map. sometimes the one you didn't pass and so on.
It's indeed a funny way to play, but, more surprisingly, i was able to fc some map on the 3th-4th play!
Added you as friend! Thanks for the detailed reply.
thelewa wrote:
I just read all of this and surprisingly everything is true
my bro got me to start playing today and told me to read this,
it's helpful, so thanks!
it's helpful, so thanks!
how the hell do i get good at heavily spaced fast singles? Like 90% of my misses these days are from quick spaced lines of singles. I know I'm supposed to play the beat in my head to hit them but I still fuck up more often than not. Its not physically possible for me to snap each of them either.
If any of you have any maps with lots of stuff like that around 3.5-4 stars I would love to have them
If any of you have any maps with lots of stuff like that around 3.5-4 stars I would love to have them
Do you mean like https://osu.ppy.sh/b/49101 but less stars?phonics wrote:
how the hell do i get good at heavily spaced fast singles? Like 90% of my misses these days are from quick spaced lines of singles. I know I'm supposed to play the beat in my head to hit them but I still fuck up more often than not. Its not physically possible for me to snap each of them either.
If any of you have any maps with lots of stuff like that around 3.5-4 stars I would love to have them
or
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/50234 (less stars but much slower and closer)
lol.iiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
with a 779 playcount, I doubt you did do much playingiiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
ChuTwo_old
in 3 years you've played less than I do in a week?iiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
it's because you think level mattersChuTwo wrote:
been playing sp a lot, reache lvl 52.
goes into multiplayer
gets rekked by lvls, 13, 21, everyone else.
is it because I'm playing with 2000 DPI
It's because you never challenge yourself and keep playing easy maps all day instead of harder one to improveChuTwo wrote:
been playing sp a lot, reache lvl 52.
goes into multiplayer
gets rekked by lvls, 13, 21, everyone else.
is it because I'm playing with 2000 DPI
In my opinion, to get better you must challange yourself alot and come to like songs that you don't like at all. I mean if you don't like Vocaloid, nightcore, brony, classic music ect. Just think about it in different way. When i started playing osu! I didn't like anything other than dubstep and electro and such. Now i like all sort of music because i play osu. Just my opinion though.
Always test your skill but don't do songs you cannot possibly do.
osu! is a very difficult game to get used to, don't give up easily
Always try new beatmaps, find something you like to listen to. This motivates you.
Another tip I have is when you're able to do 4 star+ maps, you can test yourself by going back to older easier songs and playing around with the mods like double time which obviously test your skill and ability to read maps. I play with nightcore all the time to make the song feel more varied.
If you're hands get shaky take a break.
When you get into a new song try to match up with the speed and rhythm and keep it constant.
The last tip I have is if you're using a mouse, find a position your hand is comfortable in for beats, sliders and spinners.(Don't go too hard on spinners or risk failure upon following it up.)
P.S I've been playing for more than half a year, so I'm still a little bit of a newb(can only do 3-4 stars) but I have practiced ways I can improve and am still going.
osu! is a very difficult game to get used to, don't give up easily
Always try new beatmaps, find something you like to listen to. This motivates you.
Another tip I have is when you're able to do 4 star+ maps, you can test yourself by going back to older easier songs and playing around with the mods like double time which obviously test your skill and ability to read maps. I play with nightcore all the time to make the song feel more varied.
If you're hands get shaky take a break.
When you get into a new song try to match up with the speed and rhythm and keep it constant.
The last tip I have is if you're using a mouse, find a position your hand is comfortable in for beats, sliders and spinners.(Don't go too hard on spinners or risk failure upon following it up.)
P.S I've been playing for more than half a year, so I'm still a little bit of a newb(can only do 3-4 stars) but I have practiced ways I can improve and am still going.
This is all great info, and I'm sure one or many of these has applied to just about every osu! player.
This may fall under the settings section, but something I recently noticed that was holding me back was my default placement of my pen. My combos would consistently break and I wondered how I was missing such easy notes on occasion. Sometimes I was holding my pen a bit off center or starting maps off while spinning/playing around with the pen. After watching a few replays, sure enough I was over/undershooting based on where I started with my pen at the beginning. Since then I have started getting into a habit of holding dead center at the beginning and making sure I am comfortable before moving around the map.
This may fall under the settings section, but something I recently noticed that was holding me back was my default placement of my pen. My combos would consistently break and I wondered how I was missing such easy notes on occasion. Sometimes I was holding my pen a bit off center or starting maps off while spinning/playing around with the pen. After watching a few replays, sure enough I was over/undershooting based on where I started with my pen at the beginning. Since then I have started getting into a habit of holding dead center at the beginning and making sure I am comfortable before moving around the map.
ChuTwo_old
why is this game so complicatedKlockwerk wrote:
This is all great info, and I'm sure one or many of these has applied to just about every osu! player.
This may fall under the settings section, but something I recently noticed that was holding me back was my default placement of my pen. My combos would consistently break and I wondered how I was missing such easy notes on occasion. Sometimes I was holding my pen a bit off center or starting maps off while spinning/playing around with the pen. After watching a few replays, sure enough I was over/undershooting based on where I started with my pen at the beginning. Since then I have started getting into a habit of holding dead center at the beginning and making sure I am comfortable before moving around the map.
Meh, I quit for awhile due to boredom of the game but came back lol. But I'm getting alot better though x).B1rd wrote:
in 3 years you've played less than I do in a week?iiCookiesii wrote:
been playing for 3 years and still not good
Does using your laptop as a sort-of mousepad count as a bad habit (I guess that should be self-explanatory...)? 'Cause that's how I fail/mess up a beatmap 40% of the time: over time, I mess up my mouse positioning, and eventually fuck up. Gahh.
To-do: Go out and buy some goddanged items.
To-do: Go out and buy some goddanged items.
Just a question, Its better play a lot of harder maps even though you get bad scores or play easier maps and get good scores?
it's better to do bothKinkosan wrote:
Just a question, Its better play a lot of harder maps even though you get bad scores or play easier maps and get good scores?
zqw_old
Ideally you want to be getting B ranks 80% on your maps if you want to improve.Kinkosan wrote:
Just a question, Its better play a lot of harder maps even though you get bad scores or play easier maps and get good scores?
Is the OP banned?
Kind of.Gumpyyy wrote:
Is the OP banned?
inb4 banned for cheating
"Oh the irony"
"Oh the irony"
ScarletStory wrote:
Ahh this question. I was waiting for it to come up eventually! The account that I started on (which I do not use period) had an "offensive" (if that's even the right word don't ask me I'm not easily offended) name and due to the fact that I had already used a supporter tag to change my name *facedesk* I did indeed have to make a new account. However, please let me stress that I don't in any way try to "trick" anyone into thinking something like "OH MY GOD 4 MONTHS AND YOU GOT AN S ON (insert difficult map here)!?!?" No, that's not me in the slightest. In fact, I said myself that playing solely to impress people was a bad reason to play and I'm no hypocrite. The account is due solely to the fact that my old account name came off as offensive to some people, and therefore, I thought it would probably be in the best interest of others and myself to just drop the account while it was still new and to make another as a means to change my name.
If someone would like to call me a multi-accounting jerk son of a b$#@*!!! I suppose they could because it's true if you take it word for word i had two accounts but after reading this over I feel i should add that i did not use them simultaneously it was a transition from one to the other within a day, however, I do not use the other account, period. I don't lie to people about how long I've played, and I wouldn't have done this if I didn't have a good reason (and the reason is a bit personal) and if i could have resolved it in some other fashion I would have.
Yes I do have another account, and no, I do not use it. I did not even want to make a new account and if it were possible I would have deleted the other account I don't use long long loooong ago. On that note, I'm not trying to sway people into thinking that multi-accounting is just fine and dandy, because it's really not. I have no doubt in my mind that, if someone who has no respect for other players or their hard work, were to do something like this, with many many accounts, a lot of people would get REALLY unfairly screwed over. They could have their ranks stolen, and have all their hard work crapped on by one person with many accounts (which i would guess is the reason why multi-accounting is not allowed). People could also be lead to believe that they aren't good enough because someone else who has been playing less time(although in actuality hasn't) got much better than them, and to some people, this can be pretty demoralizing if you've been playing for a year and someone who has been playing for "1 month" is better than you (although i do believe that most people would assume they were multi-accounting and write it off). I'm merely answering this question. As to whether or not it's excusable or inexcusable in my case or any case is up to others. I answered this question in such length because if I had just said "Yeah I have another account" the question of "Why?" would come up and then I'd have to write it out anyway. Not that i particularly mind, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea. If I really wanted to hide it I easily could have, however, I feel like lying over something so trivial would not only make me a jerk it would also destroy any credibility i had, therefore, rendering these whole thread more useless than it may already be. I mean, only a fool would take advice from a liar, unless it was advice about lying then i guess it would be okay but i could go in circles about that all day ANYWAY this is my answer take it or leave it.
GoldenWolf wrote:
inb4 banned for cheating
"Oh the irony"
Or, and this may sound just crazy so bear with me, it could (does) have some relationship to this. You should bet your money on this. *facepalm*
Can I make an exception?
if you're using a method which is utterly useless (aka trackpoint, voice command, etc.) it's ok to upgrade to a spare mouse (or use this as an excuse to get a good mouse). Of course, most methods can be played with (although some are frustrating).
Good advice!
if you're using a method which is utterly useless (aka trackpoint, voice command, etc.) it's ok to upgrade to a spare mouse (or use this as an excuse to get a good mouse). Of course, most methods can be played with (although some are frustrating).
Good advice!
I know I'm still pretty new but somehow I find that I play osu better after I eat something and relax a little...
As much as I regret this at times, I'm not dead yet. I do, however, appreciate the sentiment.Accel Walker wrote:
nice thread, and suprisingly it's true
rest in peace OP
Problem: If I have mouse sensitivity up, I can make longer jumps. Difficulty: With mouse sensitivity up, my hand can't keep the cursor steady; it shakes all over the place if I try a small movement or hold it idle.
Also, my wrist always seems to be glued to the mousepad and I can't make it move in time. Any tips on overcoming these issues?
Edit: An example of shakiness.
Also, my wrist always seems to be glued to the mousepad and I can't make it move in time. Any tips on overcoming these issues?
Edit: An example of shakiness.
As I've never used a mouse, I cannot give you any special advice, with that being, I also won't just tell you, "GET A TABLET!" Now, from what I have heard, generally sensitivity for a mouse, in osu!, is best at 1.0 to prevent "cursor freaking out". If you want my advice I generally go with the idea of using modifications to sensitivity/area as less as I possibly can. I do that because, in the past, if I used any area other than full I was tempted to change it around, and because of that, I never stuck with something long enough for me to get good at using it. Also, I just generally feel like the learning curve is steeper but then you won't have to worry as much about changing mouses and possible incompatibility issues to where you have to change settings around again. Honestly, it's whatever works best for you. As far as your wrist being glued to the mousepad is concerned, I would say, that's just something that you need to work on over time. Although I don't really know why that's a problem, since I don't use a mouse, I would probably just advise you to pay attention to your mouse and make an effort (and it will probably be difficult/annoying) to keep your wrist off of the mousepad at all times.Pichu0102 wrote:
Problem: If I have mouse sensitivity up, I can make longer jumps. Difficulty: With mouse sensitivity up, my hand can't keep the cursor steady; it shakes all over the place if I try a small movement or hold it idle.
Also, my wrist always seems to be glued to the mousepad and I can't make it move in time. Any tips on overcoming these issues?
Edit: An example of shakiness.
Good luck~~!
I wonder if someone have tips/articles/thread about how to ... well, start combining tablet and keyboard. I know this is a stupid questions. but i really want to change my playstyle, ( as till right now i'm a tablet-tap player) ;;w;;
It frustrated me that i couldn't hit the circles on time and start panic (yes, i got panic and always immediately change to tablet-tap) when using keyboard too
It frustrated me that i couldn't hit the circles on time and start panic (yes, i got panic and always immediately change to tablet-tap) when using keyboard too
In options turn on "Disable mouse buttons in play mode".lemonadejuice wrote:
I wonder if someone have tips/articles/thread about how to ... well, start combining tablet and keyboard. I know this is a stupid questions. but i really want to change my playstyle, ( as till right now i'm a tablet-tap player) ;;w;;
It frustrated me that i couldn't hit the circles on time and start panic (yes, i got panic and always immediately change to tablet-tap) when using keyboard too
i keep ''freezing'' when i play faster maps all the time, idk what to do about it. :/
"Practising with bad habits"
So true when it comes to playing instruments...
So true when it comes to playing instruments...
okScarletStory wrote:
the only person you should try to impress is yourself.
Short streams up to 260bpm (like 3 up to 9 notes) does not make real threat for me, but I've found issues in longstreams over 200bpm. I can barely pass 6 seconds then I'm rapidly going down to 100's and 50's and then failing beatmap. Can't really find out what's the reason of my disconcentration. Any tips? 
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
I kinda aim to impress others on osu, but it's mainly my friends who also play who I aim to impress with replays, we like to impress each other :p
you lack something called "stamina"iLoveYordles wrote:
Short streams up to 260bpm (like 3 up to 9 notes) does not make real threat for me, but I've found issues in longstreams over 200bpm. I can barely pass 6 seconds then I'm rapidly going down to 100's and 50's and then failing beatmap. Can't really find out what's the reason of my disconcentration. Any tips?
Focusing on a thread - is it like "forget about the world - just focus on playing"?
Well about keeping the same settings. i have been gradually increasing my dpi because at first i had like 800 dpi mouse and it was really hard when i set my new mouse to 3000 right away soo i played with a bit higher than 800 for a while then increased again and then again. For me it was much easier than jumpign right in with high dpi