I'm pretty good at ez and nofail mod

or I'd rather not

"Who's the best random player?"

wow there are momiq.

-Hazelnut wrote:

"Who's the best random player?"

Count me in. At least on non-ET diffs.

Ryu Sei wrote:

-Hazelnut wrote:

"Who's the best random player?"

zeradok.. lol ?

If that was a serious answer to my sarcastic question, you should read drace's post again.

Probably not tho
btw, the voting's going crazy! top kek

Good read. This is what o!m is all about.











Ha.. haha.. hahahah

1. October Scream (FL)
2. October Scream (FL)
3. October Scream (FL)
4. October Scream (FL)
5. October Scream (FL)

FL = FriendsList btw

how did i have you added all this time and not see your crazy high mania rank
i thought you were just a mediocre standard player [like me]

meanwhile in real mania communities...

ideu- can't play FL correctly.

Drace wants me to post a reason why this should be anything at all, so I'm giving out the big one.

ideu- was in a multiplayer lobby with me and other players and he wanted to play FL as a joke. So we play and a slowjam comes up, he fails first and everyone else passed him as he dropped down. This is saying that even the best can't mod.

I wanted to do this for fun, then Drace comes in saying its for bragging rights, so I've decided to let you guys decide. You can DQ me from being in the voting pool and give everyone else a good time if you all feel it necessary.

I'm having a hard time seeing point in making a video which compiles "tops players" that uses mods. Mods are used for many things and there's not much of a point in recognizing players based on the mods they use

FL, HD and SD are playstyles, not skills. You don't see players going around proud that they're playing with a lanecover (which is in theory the exact same thing). I don't see any players that necessarily feel using any of those 3 mods as an achievement unless they were doing for the sole purpose of impressing people.

And while were at it, no-mod is also a playstyle and I'm yet to see anyone distinguishably proud of it to the point of feeling the need to show it off.

There's also:
floating wrists vs resting wrists
standing vs sitting
low scroll speed vs high scroll speed
keyboard vs controller
thumb users vs pinkie users
symmetrical players vs asymmetrical players
vertical readers vs horizontal readers

The list goes on and on. All of these are things players are either better one way, or the other. Including those previously mentioned vision mods. What player's really care about, and I'm sure you do too, is the achievements they pull off. They don't think "Yes! I bested a standing player while sitting!", rather, they simply think "Yes! I bested my rival!". All players really care about is their end-results. So it'd most likely be best not to categorize players this way.

HR and DT are difficulty increasing mods, no one uses them for the sake of playstyle. They use them when the maps are too easy and need more of a challenge, or to handicap themselves when playing with lower level friends. For example, it'd be incorrect to identify Staiain as a "DT player", it's just nearly every song on here is simply too slow for him. He wouldn't be using DT if said songs were faster to begin with. Same with HR, it simply raises the HP and OD.

Random is something of it's own. It's probably not so apparent since it's unraked, but it's the most commonly used mod. I'm not exaggerating when I say o2jam players nearly use it 100% of the time, and most the top scores on LR2 are on random. All it does is switches the lanes around, and in return it makes the map a little easier or a little harder (most the time it's easier since it breaks up the patterns that were meant to be tricky). Asking who's the top random players is literally asking who's the top players in general.

With all that said, I'd say there's less nomod players than mod players if we consider all the mods and every vsrg.

I'm not saying you shouldn't do this, it's I honestly have a hard time seeing what is the point of categorizing players the way you did. It just seems wrong in general to do so.

-Hazelnut wrote:

If that was a serious answer to my sarcastic question, you should read drace's post again.

I'm serious \ :v / if you're not serious I'll kill yo :v ~

Drace wrote:

blablabla essay

There's also:
floating wrists vs resting wrists
standing vs sitting
low scroll speed vs high scroll speed
keyboard vs controller
thumb users vs pinkie users
symmetrical players vs asymmetrical players
vertical readers vs horizontal readers

blablabla essay

I lol'd XD great example .

Mania's community the best... <depressed> hurray...

Drace wrote:

it'd be incorrect to identify Staiain as a "DT player"

i disagree. thats like not calling someone a fast driver simply because everyone else is going slower. it's a relative term and it works.
standard also has many players that are acceptably identified by themselves and others as either "HDHR" or "DT" players.
I know people who perform better with DT than without they have played it so long, so at that point it can be considered a playstyle.

There is no such thing in mania. That's what I like about it. All mods are either for fun or to fit a player's playstyle, without gaining any score advantage/multiplier unlike the three other modes.

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

Drace wrote:

it'd be incorrect to identify Staiain as a "DT player"

i disagree. thats like not calling someone a fast driver simply because everyone else is going slower. it's a relative term and it works.
standard also has many players that are acceptably identified by themselves and others as either "HDHR" or "DT" players.
I know people who perform better with DT than without they have played it so long, so at that point it can be considered a playstyle.

That's exactly my point. It's relative and has nothing to do with the actual mod itself. Staiain is a faster player, that's all there's to it. Pump out faster maps at his speed and he wouldn't DT them simply because he's a "DT player".

Drace wrote:

That's exactly my point. It's relative and has nothing to do with the actual mod itself. Staiain is a faster player, that's all there's to it. Pump out faster maps at his speed and he wouldn't DT them simply because he's a "DT player".

it's all relative. if HD was the norm and visible notes were a mod, they'd be visible players. but that isn't the case.

I actually mentioned that in my post, nomod is indeed a playstyle.

Where a playstyle and a difficulty increasing mod differs is apparent on harder maps. Lets say someone comes up with a ridiculous map up to Staiain's speed. That means he can't DT it since it's already up there in his speed limits to begin with. An FL player won't remvoe his FL mod because that's his playstyle, he plays better with FL on, taking it off will only handicap him. A nomod play won't randomly put a mod on because his playstyle is nomod, putting one on will only handicap him. And Staiain won't put DT on since it's not his playstyle and the map is already fast enough. He was only using DT since the other maps were simply too slow up to this point. He was making the stuff that was too easy for him, slightly harder.

Standard mode can't even compare to here since the mentality over there is completely different. The mods give a score bonus, of course players will play with them, it's literally a necessity to rank well on them. But even with this, I don't see any top scores on DT scores for Freedom Dive.

Drace wrote:

I actually mentioned that in my post, nomod is indeed a playstyle.

Where a playstyle and a difficulty increasing mod differs is apparent on harder maps. Lets say someone comes up with a ridiculous map up to Staiain's speed. That means he can't DT it since it's already up there in his speed limits to begin with. An FL player won't remvoe his FL mod because that's his playstyle, he plays better with FL on, taking it off will only handicap him. A nomod play won't randomly put a mod on because his playstyle is nomod, putting one on will only handicap him. And Staiain won't put DT on it's not his playstyle, the map is already fast enough, he was only using DT since the other maps were simply too slow up to this point. He was making the stuff that was too easy for him, slightly harder.

Standard mode can't even compare to here since the mentality over there is completely different. The mods give a score bonus, of course players will play with them, it's literally a necessity to rank well on them. But even with this, I don't see any top scores on DT scores for Freedom Dive.

well just because someones playstyle revolves around a certain mod doesnt mean they can't take it off time to time. if they MOSTLY use the mod, like majority of the time as opposed to no mod or anything else, i'd say that's their playstyle.

That's not what a playstyle is...

That way of thinking about it is inheritably flawed since it revolves around the specific circumstances of this game rather than the player's actual abilities.

Let's say one day Peppy releases that source code he's been promising us and someone fires up a private server. That private server was run by all the ETs that were whining about the maps here being too easy so maps over there are over-the-top insanely hard. Staiain can't DT a single one of them since they're all so fast.

So in this scenario, whether he play on the ET private server or this server, his playstyle doesn't change at all. He still hits the keys the same way, he still reads the same way. The only difference is he DTs "most the time" on one server and "never" in the other.

So if his playstyle never changes, how can DT possibly be his playstyle? Also note that in all the other playstyles I've listed, a player from that playstyle would be using that playstyle on both servers.

Sorry for mentioning you so much Staiain

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

if they MOSTLY use the mod, like majority of the time as opposed to no mod or anything else, i'd say that's their playstyle.

Wow, is this guy for real? HAHAHA

I've played a lot of charts on DT only on hard charts but please don't call me a "DT player" that's just insulting you me you little shit.

You wanna call me a DT player just because I play it a lot, but if I play on insane I never put on DT because I can't do it.

I've been putting DT on hards because it increases only the difficulty, but the insane are still way harder.

Heck if people actually got to play more ranked charts like Imperishable Night 2006, people won't even bother trying it on DT because the hardest diff is hard enough to kill you.

onehundred1 wrote:

I've played a lot of charts on DT only on hard charts but please don't call me a "DT player" that's just insulting you me you little shit.

another one for the foes list. you should probably not post on public forums if you can't keep a discussion civil.

Drace wrote:

I actually mentioned that in my post, nomod is indeed a playstyle.

Where a playstyle and a difficulty increasing mod differs is apparent on harder maps. Lets say someone comes up with a ridiculous map up to Staiain's speed. That means he can't DT it since it's already up there in his speed limits to begin with. An FL player won't remvoe his FL mod because that's his playstyle, he plays better with FL on, taking it off will only handicap him. A nomod play won't randomly put a mod on because his playstyle is nomod, putting one on will only handicap him. And Staiain won't put DT on since it's not his playstyle and the map is already fast enough. He was only using DT since the other maps were simply too slow up to this point. He was making the stuff that was too easy for him, slightly harder.

Standard mode can't even compare to here since the mentality over there is completely different. The mods give a score bonus, of course players will play with them, it's literally a necessity to rank well on them. But even with this, I don't see any top scores on DT scores for Freedom Dive.

I don't see any HD or FL plays on a lot of the hardest maps. Are you sure they add absolutely nothing to difficulty and are just playstyle choices, mods that never gets taken off for any purpose? If you're not, then that logic also backs up DT being a playstyle.

It seems like a cop-out to say that there aren't any HD or FL players good enough to get on those scoreboards, or are you saying every single play they make has to be with a certain mod for it to be their 'playstyle'?

Just look at October's profile, he even says it himself on there.

It has nothing to do with whether they play it all the time or most the time, it's what they play better with on maps at their level. Because you know, that's the style of play they're most accustomed to.

Drace wrote:

Just look at October's profile, he even says it himself on there.

It has nothing to do with whether they play it all the time or most the time, it's what they play better with on maps at their level.

DT creates maps at their level, as proven by ppv2 treating a DT'd map as a new map entirely and recalculating all the objects. By playing them they make the playstyle theirs.

I'd also argue HD/FL makes the map become their level too if they enjoy playing it that way more.

there's equivalencies everywhere.

People play FL, HD all the time because they make the notes easier to comprehend to some people.
People DON'T play DT all the time because if the osu!mania songs were challenging to begin with, people wouldn't even DT in the first place.

This thread needs to be locked now...

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

Drace wrote:

Just look at October's profile, he even says it himself on there.

It has nothing to do with whether they play it all the time or most the time, it's what they play better with on maps at their level.

DT creates maps at their level, as proven by ppv2 treating a DT'd map as a new map entirely and recalculating all the objects. By playing them they make the playstyle theirs.

I'd also argue HD/FL makes the map become their level too if they enjoy playing it that way more.

there's equivalencies everywhere.

If DT/HD/FL whatever mod treats a new chart entirely then it affects the map itself and not their playstyle... you're going against what your saying btw.

Envisionise wrote:

If DT/HD/FL whatever mod treats a new chart entirely then it affects the map itself and not their playstyle... you're going against what your saying btw.

it's still a playstyle because they're using it to play

I use my glasses to play does that make me a glasses player?

-Hazelnut wrote:

I use my glasses to play does that make me a glasses player?

in the most technical sense yes

I listen to music to play does that make me a music player ?

kkbestpun2014

I use a custom skin in osu so that makes me a custom skin player?

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

DT creates maps at their level

Yeah exactly, it changes the map entirely and doesn't change the player's playstyle. It simply gives them a different map to play.

The visual mods does no changes to the map what so ever. It only changes how the player visualizes the notes.

You should spend a little extra time thinking about what you post since now you're literally contradicting yourself and wasting everyone's time.

Drace wrote:

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

DT creates maps at their level

Yeah exactly, it changes the map entirely and doesn't change the player's playstyle. It simply gives them a different map to play.

The visual mods does no changes to the map what so ever. It only changes how the player visualizes the notes.

You should spend a little extra time thinking about what you post since now you're literally contradicting yourself and wasting everyone's time.

not using the mod on said map is not ideal, just like not using hd/fl is for those kinds of players. playstyle.

Drace wrote:

That's not what a playstyle is...

That way of thinking about it is inheritably flawed since it revolves around the specific circumstances of this game rather than the player's actual abilities.

Let's say one day Peppy releases that source code he's been promising us and someone fires up a private server. That private server was run by all the ETs that were whining about the maps here being too easy so maps over there are over-the-top insanely hard. Staiain can't DT a single one of them since they're all so fast.

So in this scenario, whether he play on the ET private server or this server, his playstyle doesn't change at all. He still hits the keys the same way, he still reads the same way. The only difference is he DTs "most the time" on one server and "never" in the other.

So if his playstyle never changes, how can DT possibly be his playstyle? Also note that in all the other playstyles I've listed, a player from that playstyle would be using that playstyle on both servers.

Sorry for mentioning you so much Staiain

Again

Bassist Vinyl, playstyles imply that a map's difficulty or appearance don't change. FI/HD/FL fall under the playstyle (or vision) mods (and to a lesser extent, SD/PF for the hardcore players who want a perfect score) because of this. DT/NC, as well as HR, are mods that alter the difficulty, and it's their only purpose : making a map harder by changing its settings (respectively BPM and OD), therefore they're not playstyle mods. Same goes for HT and EZ mods, making the map easier. RD swaps the lanes, it's more of a fun mod than anything else. NF doesn't fit anywhere, since it doesn't technically make a map easier, it just prevents you from dying mid-song.

Playstyles mods mean they're used to accomodate the player.
Difficulty mods are used to make maps more challenging or easier.

In this case Staiain would be - having never seen him playing with a vision mod - a no-mod player (no-mod being a playstyle because it obviously doesn't change the difficulty of a map) but plays DT to make the maps more interesting to him (aka harder, difficulty mod).

Anyways that's my point of view on the whole thing.

PyaKura wrote:

Bassist Vinyl, playstyles imply that a map's difficulty or appearance don't change. FI/HD/FL fall under the playstyle (or vision) mods (and to a lesser extent, SD/PF for the hardcore players who want a perfect score) because of this. DT/NC, as well as HR, are mods that alter the difficulty, and it's their only purpose : making a map harder by changing its settings (respectively BPM and OD), therefore they're not playstyle mods. Same goes for HT and EZ mods, making the map easier. RD swaps the lanes, it's more of a fun mod than anything else. NF doesn't fit anywhere, since it doesn't technically make a map easier, it just prevents you from dying mid-song.

Playstyles mods mean they're used to accomodate the player.
Difficulty mods are used to make maps more challenging or easier.

In this case Staiain would be - having never seen him playing with a vision mod - a no-mod player (no-mod being a playstyle because it obviously doesn't change the difficulty of a map) but plays DT to make the maps more interesting to him (aka harder, difficulty mod).

Anyways that's my point of view on the whole thing.

^ Agree

Wow, I read this thread and I'm seeing one guy who knows what he's talking about and makes sense in his posts, and other (who's not even playing o!m) saying that DT is a playstyle and then fumbling around even in his own statements.
Bassist Vinyl, if you want to argue about o!m playstyles, try to play yourself and see what DT and other mods really mean to us before arguing so hard about it.
Also I agree with all that Drace and Pya said

PyaKura wrote:

...RD swaps the lanes, it's more of a fun mod than anything else.

Yes. It's more fun playing charts using RD. I've got a best local score using RD. Since...

Drace wrote:

Random is something of it's own. It's probably not so apparent since it's unraked, but it's the most commonly used mod. ... All it does is switches the lanes around, and in return it makes the map a little easier or a little harder (most the time it's easier since it breaks up the patterns that were meant to be tricky).

i still say you guys are being too narrow in your definition of playstyle. Sure if you define in such a way that only HD and FL fall under the term, "HD does this, DT does that", so here's why... you're right. But bottom of the line, without twisting meanings to help my argument, 'style' is the way people prefer to do things/most enjoy doing it/most often do it [all apply whether its DT or HD]. 'play' is self explanatory.

sure there are maps with no DT on the top 50, the same goes for HD. That's not really relevant.

I play with my eyes closed.

onehundred1 wrote:

Heck if people actually got to play more ranked charts like Imperishable Night 2006, people won't even bother trying it on DT because the hardest diff is hard enough to kill you.

I do in2006 7K Hard + Insane with HR DT .-.

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

i still say you guys are being too narrow in your definition of playstyle. Sure if you define in such a way that only HD and FL fall under the term, "HD does this, DT does that", so here's why... you're right. But bottom of the line, without twisting meanings to help my argument, 'style' is the way people prefer to do things/most enjoy doing it/most often do it [all apply whether its DT or HD]. 'play' is self explanatory.

sure there are maps with no DT on the top 50, the same goes for HD. That's not really relevant.

I see, when you're talking about the basis, we're talking about the "branch" ....
so... anyone is right I guess ?
aww it's like discussing about anime and cartoon

-Hazelnut wrote:

I use my glasses to play does that make me a glasses player?

So I am a non glasses player :3

stiaiain's a scrub tho

-Hazelnut wrote:

This thread needs to be locked now...

This thread should not have been allowed to be created in the first place. All it is is a flamewar waiting to happen, with absolutely no way to contribute anything of use to the community.

i always use HD mod when the bpm is beyond 210+ only. if i dont, i can't focus the notes on the screen for a long time. I'm not sure it's a playstyle or not, it's just a helper mod for me.

[FX] AEM wrote:

i always use HD mod when the bpm is beyond 210+ only. if i dont, i can't focus the notes on the screen for a long time. I'm not sure it's a playstyle or not, it's just a helper mod for me.

isnt scroll speed toggleable in mania?

He's not referring to scroll speed at all. But I guess it's normal for you to not get it. You don't even mania. Try playing the game mode for more than a couple dozen plays.

Drace wrote:

He's not referring to scroll speed at all. But I guess it's normal for you to not get it. You don't even mania. Try playing the game mode for more than a couple dozen plays.

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

So I am a non glasses player :3

But I'm a glasses player. Duh

And; how about the customized mania buttons? Does that counts as playstyle? Like using ASDZXC instead ASDJKL?