Care to point out certain spots? I just did a quick listen before I head to work and it might just be you not being able to internalize the beat once the percussion is removed for those few measures. The vocal is slightly unstable, but changing the timing to that is a bad idea since the instrumental track is what everyone is basing their tempo from, and those just don't have a strong attack is all. The timing itself doesn't change as far as I can tell.Lach wrote:
Are you sure 01:24:050 - section is timed right? There sounds like a lot of objects snapped to nothing.
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gratz :3
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I actually agree with Lach, I feel like the offset of that section needs to be changed, but I suck at timing so idk how much.
Every time I played that section it just felt early, and I checked in editor and it sounds slightly early too, for me, at least. I'm not sure how big a problem that is, given the OD of the highest diff. It might actually be unavoidable.
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Feel free to give a suggestion for me to test when I get home. Id consider it quite important due to the OD.Lach wrote:
Every time I played that section it just felt early, and I checked in editor and it sounds slightly early too, for me, at least. I'm not sure how big a problem that is, given the OD of the highest diff. It might actually be unavoidable.
I have got 1x100 on OD10 difficulty, timing is completely fine to me.
Half of the part that sounds off contains sliders. That doesn't mean that it isn't off.Andrea wrote:
I have got 1x100 on OD10 difficulty, timing is completely fine to me.
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So are you going to help find the timing or just reply to people in this thread?Lach wrote:
Half of the part that sounds off contains sliders. That doesn't mean that it isn't off.Andrea wrote:
I have got 1x100 on OD10 difficulty, timing is completely fine to me.
Unranking over timing issues and silencing ticks and slides at same moment.
Let's talk timing.
Right now there are two sections with problematic timing, 00:36:050 - to 00:52:850 , and 01:24:050 - to 01:29:450.
The first part's timing is an issue is because the beat is being carried dominantly by the vocalist (who is imprecise), and the piano (which is also imprecise). The clearest moment would be at 00:40:850 - , where the piano is horribly late compared to the metronome.
Basically this first section loosely follows the metronome, being off up to ~25 ms because of how imprecise it is.
The second part's timing has a different issue. While the vocalist is imprecise as always, the background has more digitally produced sounds, so theoretically it should be on the metronome. However, these sounds have a large attack, that is, buildup to the sound's perceived beat. The strings in the music take much longer to reach their perceived beat than the song's other percussion does, therefore the metronome sounds way way earlier than it should be.
This section is off up to about ~30 ms because of that.
So to recap, there is a section that fluctuates up to 25 ms, and a section that has problems with attack up to 30 ms.
There's a lot of imprecision in the song for these parts, but the Expert difficulty itself demands extreme precision with its high OD setting.
Demanding precision from the player is not a good idea here, as the song does not have the precision to go with it.
Now let's work to get the timing correct.
Just because it's done in short instances doesn't mean it's rankable.Garven wrote:
It's only done in short instances (such as converting the tick rate to 1 to fit the time signature change). It's allowed.
Let's talk timing.
Right now there are two sections with problematic timing, 00:36:050 - to 00:52:850 , and 01:24:050 - to 01:29:450.
The first part's timing is an issue is because the beat is being carried dominantly by the vocalist (who is imprecise), and the piano (which is also imprecise). The clearest moment would be at 00:40:850 - , where the piano is horribly late compared to the metronome.
Basically this first section loosely follows the metronome, being off up to ~25 ms because of how imprecise it is.
The second part's timing has a different issue. While the vocalist is imprecise as always, the background has more digitally produced sounds, so theoretically it should be on the metronome. However, these sounds have a large attack, that is, buildup to the sound's perceived beat. The strings in the music take much longer to reach their perceived beat than the song's other percussion does, therefore the metronome sounds way way earlier than it should be.
This section is off up to about ~30 ms because of that.
So to recap, there is a section that fluctuates up to 25 ms, and a section that has problems with attack up to 30 ms.
There's a lot of imprecision in the song for these parts, but the Expert difficulty itself demands extreme precision with its high OD setting.
Demanding precision from the player is not a good idea here, as the song does not have the precision to go with it.
Now let's work to get the timing correct.
Doing a double post because editing an unrank post is usually a bad idea.
I got the timing for the second section.
Quick shift 30 ms forward, then 30 ms back at the end of the section. Tried it out, plays and sounds great.
I'm having trouble with the first part.
I got the timing for the second section.
Quick shift 30 ms forward, then 30 ms back at the end of the section. Tried it out, plays and sounds great.
I'm having trouble with the first part.
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Thanks Charles. Had more things to do than I thought yesterday, so hopefully I can squeeze this in tonight.
Edit:
The night that never ended D:
I'm making a bunch of fixes. The first slow section, I am just going to slider-whore it out so it'll be an essential remap. Some timing guidance would still be appreciated if you think you can pull it off.
As for the sliders -Asagi pointed out, they're still in-bounds since they're not going beyond the application borders.
Edit:
The night that never ended D:
I'm making a bunch of fixes. The first slow section, I am just going to slider-whore it out so it'll be an essential remap. Some timing guidance would still be appreciated if you think you can pull it off.
As for the sliders -Asagi pointed out, they're still in-bounds since they're not going beyond the application borders.
I can't believe this beatmap is in the gravemap :O I thought it was pretty good... I hope for a revival anyway
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All updated with Charles' timing, and replaced the silent slidertick. Also reduced the OD to 9 on the Expert due to the timing issues. I called on Derek to take a poke at the timing as well since it seems Charles hasn't been able to check back on this.
This shifts the offset +15 from what it currently is, and then changes it back. +20 or +30 felt way too extreme, so this should be a good middle ground.
Also: Charles' timing for the end sounds good!
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I dig it. Maps are now updated.
There's an extra red line to adjust for the double barline in taiko.
There's an extra red line to adjust for the double barline in taiko.
Please move this map forward ;w;
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Waiting on Charles to find time to doublecheck the timing. Be patient please~ (im also still touring Japan still, so I cant actually fix anything until I return anyway)
Edit: I'm back, but still waiting. Will probably poke others since Charles seems to be perpetually working on other stuff.
Edit: I'm back, but still waiting. Will probably poke others since Charles seems to be perpetually working on other stuff.
1 unsnapped thing still remains = =~
00:41:183 (2) - unsnapped
will rebubble after it's fixed 
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00:41:183 (2) - unsnapped
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Thanks Frosty!
To the next BAT: Please comb thoroughly to make sure nothing is snapped incorrectly.
Edit: Just did another look through and things look good. Hi Priti.
To the next BAT: Please comb thoroughly to make sure nothing is snapped incorrectly.
Edit: Just did another look through and things look good. Hi Priti.
Garven wrote:
make sure nothing is snapped incorrectly.
is there a reason why Kite is not in the tags?
He is in the tags, the forum description thing is bugged or something but it can be manually edited in the thread afaik.Irreversible wrote:
is there a reason why Kite is not in the tags?
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Yeah, not sure why the first post was stuck to pre-Kite settings, but I've updated it manually.
Qualify this again already, it's been way too long. ;_;
mark, will check this.
Yeah Garven 
Time to get this reranked!
Reranked.
(ノ・ω・)ノ
Reranked.
(ノ・ω・)ノ
Finally
Congrats again~
Congrats again~
Andrea wrote:
Finally
Congrats again~
Wow, re-ranking this took ages. Congratz, finally it's ranked <3
Gratz!! Garven and other GD mappers!
re-Gratz
regratz! :3
omedetoooougratz for the rerank~