that's already 2250 (somewhere around) gold .-.Fabi wrote:
>implying you wouldn't pick lanaya and proc bombs with blademail and refractionPizzicato wrote:
gotta go centaur blademail for that guy
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This community is smashin' it.
Holy fucking hell
Holy fucking hell
*waited for the chests to show up*
*I dislike or don't play the heroes that got immos*
*earns money*
*throws more money at valve*
*I dislike or don't play the heroes that got immos*
*earns money*
*throws more money at valve*
Holy shitMagicphoenix wrote:
This community is smashin' it.
Holy fucking hell
They're crushing it
almost all immos for the hero that i dislike like Puck , Lion , CM , abaddon
i'm just a shit feeder with them
btw my steam id: numbasd
nick: [HTT] Ayasaki add and party together if you like Thanks ~
i'm just a shit feeder with them
btw my steam id: numbasd
nick: [HTT] Ayasaki add and party together if you like Thanks ~
Maybe post your MMR with your ID so we have an idea how skilled you are.
Hey guys o/
so..yeah im new to this whole DOTA 2 thing..i just started playing it
i don't think i can complain much because i play LoL and community wise i'm kind of used to the whole whining and flaming but i find this last match i had really interesting..as soon this guy from my team - BOT lane died (causes: Obviously he was to greedy and ran for the kill but instead he got shot by turret and etc's) he did rq the game we're @ around 5 / 8 minutes along with his pre friend, flamed the hell out of everyone including me since i was @ bot lane as-well. i'm having the hell time trying to pick up to this game people seem to put a lot of pressure on the younger people like me,i really do want to play this moba but i'm just so clueless about so many things and the people i get Q with seem to be just major assholes anyways does anyone have a few tips on which hero's to play or..something? i did look up for a few videos but i think different opinions are nice too!,sorry if i came out of nowhere asking for such thing
so..yeah im new to this whole DOTA 2 thing..i just started playing it
i don't think i can complain much because i play LoL and community wise i'm kind of used to the whole whining and flaming but i find this last match i had really interesting..as soon this guy from my team - BOT lane died (causes: Obviously he was to greedy and ran for the kill but instead he got shot by turret and etc's) he did rq the game we're @ around 5 / 8 minutes along with his pre friend, flamed the hell out of everyone including me since i was @ bot lane as-well. i'm having the hell time trying to pick up to this game people seem to put a lot of pressure on the younger people like me,i really do want to play this moba but i'm just so clueless about so many things and the people i get Q with seem to be just major assholes anyways does anyone have a few tips on which hero's to play or..something? i did look up for a few videos but i think different opinions are nice too!,sorry if i came out of nowhere asking for such thing
do you mean Ranked Match rank?i haven't play many ranked match but my skill depends with my enemy if i find a pro using a shit job like riki , snip , etc and hard early farm and bad teammates (for the hero and maybe gameplay) i can be a real feeder if i use carry / tank / initiator because i often start the war and i'm the first one died but my team win the clash sometimes xD so just party together and if you see i'm a noob you can delete me from your friend list.Remco32 wrote:
Maybe post your MMR with your ID so we have an idea how skilled you are.
I'm not a pro and if anyone says i noob i'll accept that ~
People ragequiting will stop once you git gud or simply get out of the new player poolMiyu wrote:
Hey guys o/
so..yeah im new to this whole DOTA 2 thing..i just started playing it
i don't think i can complain much because i play LoL and community wise i'm kind of used to the whole whining and flaming but i find this last match i had really interesting..as soon this guy from my team - BOT lane died (causes: Obviously he was to greedy and ran for the kill but instead he got shot by turret and etc's) he did rq the game we're @ around 5 / 8 minutes along with his pre friend, flamed the hell out of everyone including me since i was @ bot lane as-well. i'm having the hell time trying to pick up to this game people seem to put a lot of pressure on the younger people like me,i really do want to play this moba but i'm just so clueless about so many things and the people i get Q with seem to be just major assholes anyways does anyone have a few tips on which hero's to play or..something? i did look up for a few videos but i think different opinions are nice too!,sorry if i came out of nowhere asking for such thing
For general advice, try typing in a normal fontsize and colour.
I just want a number so we can have a general idea.gretay wrote:
do you mean Ranked Match rank?i haven't play many ranked match but my skill depends with my enemy if i find a pro using a shit job like riki , snip , etc and hard early farm and bad teammates (for the hero and maybe gameplay) i can be a real feeder if i use carry / tank / initiator because i often start the war and i'm the first one died but my team win the clash sometimes xD so just party together and if you see i'm a noob you can delete me from your friend list.Remco32 wrote:
Maybe post your MMR with your ID so we have an idea how skilled you are.
I'm not a pro and if anyone says i noob i'll accept that ~
Got all Immos, 3 duplicates, and 3 very rare dragon knight ones, sold 2, got almost all my compendium money back, NICE.
Personally, I'd start off on heroes like crystal maiden or lion, and support the more experienced players until you can get a good feel for the game. You can also queue up with coaches in this game which is extremely helpful, as they are able to draw on your screen, ping your UI and talk directly to you while you play, great learning tool for new players, feel free to add me if you'd like to try that.Miyu wrote:
Hey guys o/
so..yeah im new to this whole DOTA 2 thing..i just started playing it
i don't think i can complain much because i play LoL and community wise i'm kind of used to the whole whining and flaming but i find this last match i had really interesting..as soon this guy from my team - BOT lane died (causes: Obviously he was to greedy and ran for the kill but instead he got shot by turret and etc's) he did rq the game we're @ around 5 / 8 minutes along with his pre friend, flamed the hell out of everyone including me since i was @ bot lane as-well. i'm having the hell time trying to pick up to this game people seem to put a lot of pressure on the younger people like me,i really do want to play this moba but i'm just so clueless about so many things and the people i get Q with seem to be just major assholes anyways does anyone have a few tips on which hero's to play or..something? i did look up for a few videos but i think different opinions are nice too!,sorry if i came out of nowhere asking for such thing
As for the community, yeah, it can be volatile. Your best bet is to just ignore the ragers, and take the productive criticism/advice that nicer players give (they do exist!).
I wouldn't recommend squishy maiden for new players.
Lich, Warlock, Lion, Shadow Shaman are quite simple supports.
Lich, Warlock, Lion, Shadow Shaman are quite simple supports.
Are there any ways to avoid players who don't want to finish the game? It's really infuriating.
Get better. No seriously, you get grouped at your own skill level.
Well, I'm just new to the game sooo
Good point, CM is super squishy and dies a lot. Her skillset and tools are very straight forward though, and you help your team just by skilling up her aura.Remco32 wrote:
I wouldn't recommend squishy maiden for new players.
Lich, Warlock, Lion, Shadow Shaman are quite simple supports.
umm what number do you mean? friend id or what?Remco32 wrote:
I just want a number so we can have a general idea.
but her ulti deals many damages it'll be helpful for clashing and her skill 2 to lock the enemiesSoulclenz wrote:
Good point, CM is super squishy and dies a lot. Her skillset and tools are very straight forward though, and you help your team just by skilling up her aura.Remco32 wrote:
I wouldn't recommend squishy maiden for new players.
Lich, Warlock, Lion, Shadow Shaman are quite simple supports.
Navizel wrote:
Are there any ways to avoid players who don't want to finish the game? It's really infuriating.
Game devs are now working on pairing leavers with other leavers and repeated offenders (reports) with their own type etc.
I guess waiting is the best option here
Sorry, but this is what playing on EU West (or any EU) means. DOTA 2 is the one game that ever makes me racist and it's because of cyka bljat fuc*%( rustard ($§)%"(!/(§!!!!Miyu wrote:
Hey guys o/
so..yeah im new to this whole DOTA 2 thing..i just started playing it
i don't think i can complain much because i play LoL and community wise i'm kind of used to the whole whining and flaming but i find this last match i had really interesting..as soon this guy from my team - BOT lane died (causes: Obviously he was to greedy and ran for the kill but instead he got shot by turret and etc's) he did rq the game we're @ around 5 / 8 minutes along with his pre friend, flamed the hell out of everyone including me since i was @ bot lane as-well. i'm having the hell time trying to pick up to this game people seem to put a lot of pressure on the younger people like me,i really do want to play this moba but i'm just so clueless about so many things and the people i get Q with seem to be just major assholes anyways does anyone have a few tips on which hero's to play or..something? i did look up for a few videos but i think different opinions are nice too!,sorry if i came out of nowhere asking for such thing
My tip is to mute them and if possible report. There isn't really much helping I'm afraid
Or you just play with friends 
"Get good" is wtf? Remco? So they're supposed to get to 5k MMR in <1 year so they can finally get out of "their own skill level" hell? I'm playing on 5k+ and there's still flamers everywhere, it's just a russian thing.Remco32 wrote:
Get better. No seriously, you get grouped at your own skill level.
Owh this is great,thanks for the help and tips but btw is there any way for me to join matches with coaches? i really have no idea how..lolsSoulclenz wrote:
Personally, I'd start off on heroes like crystal maiden or lion, and support the more experienced players until you can get a good feel for the game. You can also queue up with coaches in this game which is extremely helpful, as they are able to draw on your screen, ping your UI and talk directly to you while you play, great learning tool for new players, feel free to add me if you'd like to try that.
As for the community, yeah, it can be volatile. Your best bet is to just ignore the ragers, and take the productive criticism/advice that nicer players give (they do exist!).
Yeah i don't really pay much attention to it tho better of just ignore!Magicphoenix wrote:
Sorry, but this is what playing on EU West (or any EU) means. DOTA 2 is the one game that ever makes me racist and it's because of cyka bljat fuc*%( rustard
($§)%"(!/(§!!!!My tip is to mute them and if possible report. There isn't really much helping I'm afraid
Essentially Miyu, to join a match with a coach all you have to do is invite whomever you want coaching you, into your party and queue up with them set as a coach (little check box above the party group icons).Miyu wrote:
Owh this is great,thanks for the help and tips but btw is there any way for me to join matches with coaches? i really have no idea how..lolsSoulclenz wrote:
Personally, I'd start off on heroes like crystal maiden or lion, and support the more experienced players until you can get a good feel for the game. You can also queue up with coaches in this game which is extremely helpful, as they are able to draw on your screen, ping your UI and talk directly to you while you play, great learning tool for new players, feel free to add me if you'd like to try that.
As for the community, yeah, it can be volatile. Your best bet is to just ignore the ragers, and take the productive criticism/advice that nicer players give (they do exist!).
I play waaaaay too much dota2 and enjoy coaching and spectating when i can, so as I said earlier, feel free to add me if you ever want and I'll gladly observe some rounds. My steam name = Directive?
Your MMR rating.gretay wrote:
umm what number do you mean? friend id or what?but her ulti deals many damages it'll be helpful for clashing and her skill 2 to lock the enemiesSoulclenz wrote:
Good point, CM is super squishy and dies a lot. Her skillset and tools are very straight forward though, and you help your team just by skilling up her aura.
Yes, her ulti deals massive damage, but you are slow and have no healthpool so you die without much trouble. And since a new player will be out of position all the time you will probably feed a lot.
He meant leavers, not flamers. Those will stop being in your bracket if you get >2000MMR or so.Magicphoenix wrote:
"Get good" is wtf? Remco? So they're supposed to get to 5k MMR in <1 year so they can finally get out of "their own skill level" hell? I'm playing on 5k+ and there's still flamers everywhere, it's just a russian thing.
Play easy heroes such as Sven, Juggernaut, Dragon Knight, Death Prophet. Once you get the hang of DotA, you can play semi-hard heroes such as Phantom Assasin, Terrorblade, and many others. Just, please, dont play Invoker. Just dontMiyu wrote:
Hey guys o/
so..yeah im new to this whole DOTA 2 thing..i just started playing it
i don't think i can complain much because i play LoL and community wise i'm kind of used to the whole whining and flaming but i find this last match i had really interesting..as soon this guy from my team - BOT lane died (causes: Obviously he was to greedy and ran for the kill but instead he got shot by turret and etc's) he did rq the game we're @ around 5 / 8 minutes along with his pre friend, flamed the hell out of everyone including me since i was @ bot lane as-well. i'm having the hell time trying to pick up to this game people seem to put a lot of pressure on the younger people like me,i really do want to play this moba but i'm just so clueless about so many things and the people i get Q with seem to be just major assholes anyways does anyone have a few tips on which hero's to play or..something? i did look up for a few videos but i think different opinions are nice too!,sorry if i came out of nowhere asking for such thing
is that MMR from the ranked match? if it's a ranked match i haven't played enough to get the rating because i usually play pub (too lazy to change it to ranking)Remco32 wrote:
Your MMR rating.
Yes, her ulti deals massive damage, but you are slow and have no healthpool so you die without much trouble. And since a new player will be out of position all the time you will probably feed a lot.
because of that Hp problem i hate CM , i'll use bracer army when i use it someday lol
add shit heroes like : easy: Riki , Drow Ranger , Bloodseeker , Viper , Sniper (oh shit from your list i can't / seldom play all those easy heroes)Sonatora wrote:
Play easy heroes such as Sven, Juggernaut, Dragon Knight, Death Prophet. Once you get the hang of DotA, you can play semi-hard heroes such as Phantom Assasin, Terrorblade, and many others. Just, please, dont play Invoker. Just dont
Semi-Hard: Huskar , Axe , Legion Commander , Lion
Invoker is shit i hate those cold snap , emp , tornado
alright xD tysm everyone!
I meant those who are sitting in front of your fountain waiting for us to respawn because they want to get more kills even though the ancient is so exposed. Never experienced this in LAN Dota 1 with my friends. Sorry for the confusion.Remco32 wrote:
He meant leavers, not flamers. Those will stop being in your bracket if you get >2000MMR or so.Magicphoenix wrote:
"Get good" is wtf? Remco? So they're supposed to get to 5k MMR in <1 year so they can finally get out of "their own skill level" hell? I'm playing on 5k+ and there's still flamers everywhere, it's just a russian thing.
I'd say Terrorblade is too much micro for a new player.
yup you must know when to use ulti and it's a little bit too hard for me lolRemco32 wrote:
I'd say Terrorblade is too much micro for a new player.
Finally I can play Elder Titanbmin11 wrote:
Likely to be the last patch before the TI4
I think people will still max his other skills first and I'm not sure if that damage boast will make his stomp any more useful then it previously was. Though, nothing to complain.
It'll be interesting how Bat Riders jungling will look like now.
I'm all happy for Orge Magi, Skywrath Mage, and Undying buffs.
It'll be interesting how Bat Riders jungling will look like now.
I'm all happy for Orge Magi, Skywrath Mage, and Undying buffs.
lucky for the omnislash skill and fuck for the mjollnir's recipe it's 900 now , i can buy some tangos from there (lol)bmin11 wrote:
Likely to be the last patch before the TI4
i think it almost like no change , they just increase a little damage and it doesn't have too much effects (more from core until late game) i'd like if they increase the stun durationSonatora wrote:
Finally I can play Elder Titanbmin11 wrote:
Likely to be the last patch before the TI4
lycan nerf
oyes
oyes
#DAGONOPPizzicato wrote:
lycan nerf
oyes
also jeesus fuck that coldsnap nerf is terrible
it's his core skill at early game
he's not worth the 1st ban anymore
it's his core skill at early game
he's not worth the 1st ban anymore
but yup , i still hate his cold snapPizzicato wrote:
also jeesus fuck that coldsnap nerf is terrible
it's his core skill at early game
he's not worth the 1st ban anymore
for the early game he just need to gank with cold snap and then use all exort then hit and then someone die
Cold Snap nerf = Bitchslapped
or dat tornado/eul meteor and deafening comboSonatora wrote:
Cold Snap nerf = Bitchslapped
H O L Y S H I T
> techis will confirmed in dota 2
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo TT_TT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo TT_TT
Gobs Techies? WTF @_@ land of mines comingmoncar321 wrote:
> techis will confirmed in dota 2
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo TT_TT
Techies: The time of reckoning hath come
Prepare against the wave of russian techies players
Prepare against the wave of russian techies players
thanks to that sniper immortal i'm winning mid lane against snipers lmao
umm really that item doesn't have any effectPizzicato wrote:
thanks to that sniper immortal i'm winning mid lane against snipers lmao
a few hours ago i meet a really noob but funny WindRanger in "my" team , just use a cape for show @_@ we lose but he write this and lol words comin from all players xD how to avoid players like that? that kinds of person just make my lose become so many ...
no there are a lot of people picking snipers lately, and at SEA he lanes mid most of the time so he's easy to counterpick :^)
for me sniper is a hard one for early game , his range omg attack us and i can't attack himPizzicato wrote:
no there are a lot of people picking snipers lately, and at SEA he lanes mid most of the time so he's easy to counterpick :^)
Try to pick Queen of Pain against him. Works for me, at least.
i never played QOP before , maybe i'll try itNavizel wrote:
Try to pick Queen of Pain against him. Works for me, at least.
who have better skillSonatora wrote:
Techies: The time of reckoning hath come
Prepare against the wave of russian techies players
pinoy or russian ?
Pinoy players tend to focus alot on kills, same as Russians. But when it comes to games, Filipino's tend to master proficiency and damage rather than the main objective.moncar321 wrote:
who have better skillSonatora wrote:
Techies: The time of reckoning hath come
Prepare against the wave of russian techies players
pinoy or russian ?
BUUURN
but in Asia Server i find many noob pinoys , and some badass pinoys (i see my enemy (IO) pause and his teammates continue he feed us with bring his teammates to our base xD) , maybe the pros playin in russia server?Sonatora wrote:
Pinoy players tend to focus alot on kills, same as Russians. But when it comes to games, Filipino's tend to master proficiency and damage rather than the main objective.moncar321 wrote:
who have better skill
pinoy or russian ?
BUUURN
but in Asia Server i find many noob pinoys , and some badass pinoys (i see my enemy (IO) pause and his teammates continue he feed us with bring his teammates to our base xD) , maybe the pros playin in russia server?[/quote]gretay wrote:
Pinoy players tend to focus alot on kills, same as Russians. But when it comes to games, Filipino's tend to master proficiency and damage rather than the main objective.Sonatora wrote:
who have better skill
pinoy or russian ?
BUUURN
Skilled Pinoy Players that know's what they're doing (like me, and probably Nav) plays in EU servers. Let me tell you this as a 3k mmr player, russians are a pain in the ass to carry
average skill of pinoys are very low but 2 pinoys are leading at SEA solo MMR rankings with 6.5k mmr
haven't played with russians yet so i cant tell
haven't played with russians yet so i cant tell
True. Some pinoy players only know to scream at teammates heck they don't even know basic wards spotsPizzicato wrote:
average skill of pinoys are very low but 2 pinoys are leading at SEA solo MMR rankings with 6.5k mmr
haven't played with russians yet so i cant tell
in my thought......for those player who roled support and doesn't buy any wards...means they are freaking noob...like i always play in pub match in SEA
a good teammate have a best chance to win
all about your teammate and how they win the game not the "ROLE" and "SUPPORT/CARRY/GANKER/SOLO MID.
example of IG they play 3 agi 2 int in tournament but they still win because they make a good team
Why Burning GPM is always 900++ ?
Because A good support and a good teammate make him fat
so if want to win the game just make a good teammate
i am sure you will win even in solo ranked
all about your teammate and how they win the game not the "ROLE" and "SUPPORT/CARRY/GANKER/SOLO MID.
example of IG they play 3 agi 2 int in tournament but they still win because they make a good team
Why Burning GPM is always 900++ ?
Because A good support and a good teammate make him fat
so if want to win the game just make a good teammate
i am sure you will win even in solo ranked i found many pinoys in pub match , i don't play ranked recenty because my friends afraid with my freakin skills (sometimes MVP sometimes the worst) most of them just aim kills (KS) and doesn't even help when i go and say "bobo".....
gretay wrote:
for me sniper is a hard one for early game , his range omg attack us and i can't attack himPizzicato wrote:
no there are a lot of people picking snipers lately, and at SEA he lanes mid most of the time so he's easy to counterpick :^)
no...don't pick sniper...i dunno for full reason...but sniper is the most easiest hero with a high risk chance and also easy for counter....you will know the reason why in TI there's no one pick sniper
Overestimating. Maybe I'm decent but I'm still new to Dota 2 (not dota 1). I can't even play ranked yet so I don't know if this will mean anything later. Not to mention I suck at other heroesSonatora wrote:
Skilled Pinoy Players that know's what they're doing (like me, and probably Nav) plays in EU servers. Let me tell you this as a 3k mmr player, russians are a pain in the ass to carry
i've tried sniper , he's so squishy and yup can be countered easily but i dunno why sometimes i find a really really carry sniperSven- wrote:
gretay wrote:
for me sniper is a hard one for early game , his range omg attack us and i can't attack him
no...don't pick sniper...i dunno for full reason...but sniper is the most easiest hero with a high risk chance and also easy for counter....you will know the reason why in TI there's no one pick sniper
the only reason to visit seattle
OHMYGOD WHATdNextGen wrote:
the only reason to visit seattle
Played 2 games yesterday after a month, won them somewhat easily luckily. Daily reminder that the brs are a pain in the ass.
The easiest way to climb for me is to pick Void.
The easiest way to climb for me is to pick Void.
Easiest way to climb MMR = Zeus & Wraith King
How's that unbalanced?Magicphoenix wrote:
Easiest way to climb MMR = Zeus & Wraith King
hope there's no dream coil puck which is mainstream in international
WK , so carry and tank ~_~Magicphoenix wrote:
Easiest way to climb MMR = Zeus & Wraith King
I try to play Zeus every game. He really is overpowered. And WK too. And both together are even more overpowered. (support WK).Remco32 wrote:
How's that unbalanced?Magicphoenix wrote:
Easiest way to climb MMR = Zeus & Wraith King
BKB, no BKB, Linken's, no Linken's, Pipe, no Pipe, nobody cares. You just slam 'em.
7 wins out of 8
ed: my most recent WK matches (i started all of them support)
I can write a few tips to those who are interested in some. Basically for pubs, you need to figure out which hero is the most broken in each patch and then pick them and bring them to perfection. Last patch it was Treant, Terrorblade, Ember Spirit, Phoenix.
This time, in my opinion, it's Zeus and Wraith King.
Zeus is the most damaging output hero in the game and WK has a way too ridiculous stun. Both work in almost all line ups.
Note that this is of course for full tryhard players only (like me) lol
Nice history match , whats your mmr?
, whats your mmr?5k solo & partyFabi wrote:
Nice history match
I dropped from 5200 to 4800 one-two week(s) ago where I failed horribly. Then I found out how overpowered Zeus was...
ED: Actually, since I'm bored until the EG vs DK match starts, I'll write some stuff.
Zeus guide incoming:
SPOILER
For Zeus u want to start with 2 tangoes and preferably 2 shared tangoes (1 is fine too), otherwise, you can buy a tango yourself or just skip it if you're against a hero that's unable to harass you hardcore lv1. The reason for this is, your attack animation + dmg is shit, so you need to last hit with arc lightning -> fast bottle.
Skill build is always the same, Arc -> Bolt -> Bolt -> Aura, max bolt => max aura => max arc. Ofc max ulti whenever possible.
Unless you get a really good rune like Haste/Invis AND see an incredibly good chance to kill a hero on another lane, farm until you're level 7, at the very least. That's right, you can already kill your enemy solo mid if you're lv4 or 5, but your explosive damage starts when you get that maxed bolt + ult combo on the enemy. After that, get TPs & Smokes, kill heroes. It's incredibly easy as fuck to kill heroes with Zeus because u do 2much fkin' dmg.
The Item build is pretty straightforward as well, with few variables. Just buy Bottle first -> into Magic Stick/Wand -> Arcane Boots -> Dagger/Force Staff -> Aghs -> Refresher.
The reason you need Dagger (I prefer it over Force Staff) is because you have 0 escape, close to 0 move speed and not initiate. With 0 mobility, there is nothing to kill. Unless you're sure your team can always be there with initiates (Clockwerk, Sandking, Centaur, etc.), you'd better buy one. Otherwise, buy a Dagger after you bought Aghs, 'coz it's still strong as fuck.
Of course, you can build situational stuff as well. If there's a DOOM & Lion, you might want to go Linken's (after Aghs-Refresher), if there's a PA or Slark, get yourself an Ethereal Blade.
The most important thing to note about the Skill Build is always go Aghs-Refresher. It is NEVER bad. You have enough mana and it just deals a way too fkin big of a shitton of damage. You might want to sneak in a Veil after Aghs before going Refresher - but that is your bread and butter:
R - Bolt - Refresher - R - Bolt. Stuff is killed. Nuff said. (If enemy's got BKB, well, kill the other 4 out of 5 heroes in the team)
Skill build is always the same, Arc -> Bolt -> Bolt -> Aura, max bolt => max aura => max arc. Ofc max ulti whenever possible.
Unless you get a really good rune like Haste/Invis AND see an incredibly good chance to kill a hero on another lane, farm until you're level 7, at the very least. That's right, you can already kill your enemy solo mid if you're lv4 or 5, but your explosive damage starts when you get that maxed bolt + ult combo on the enemy. After that, get TPs & Smokes, kill heroes. It's incredibly easy as fuck to kill heroes with Zeus because u do 2much fkin' dmg.
The Item build is pretty straightforward as well, with few variables. Just buy Bottle first -> into Magic Stick/Wand -> Arcane Boots -> Dagger/Force Staff -> Aghs -> Refresher.
The reason you need Dagger (I prefer it over Force Staff) is because you have 0 escape, close to 0 move speed and not initiate. With 0 mobility, there is nothing to kill. Unless you're sure your team can always be there with initiates (Clockwerk, Sandking, Centaur, etc.), you'd better buy one. Otherwise, buy a Dagger after you bought Aghs, 'coz it's still strong as fuck.
Of course, you can build situational stuff as well. If there's a DOOM & Lion, you might want to go Linken's (after Aghs-Refresher), if there's a PA or Slark, get yourself an Ethereal Blade.
The most important thing to note about the Skill Build is always go Aghs-Refresher. It is NEVER bad. You have enough mana and it just deals a way too fkin big of a shitton of damage. You might want to sneak in a Veil after Aghs before going Refresher - but that is your bread and butter:
R - Bolt - Refresher - R - Bolt. Stuff is killed. Nuff said. (If enemy's got BKB, well, kill the other 4 out of 5 heroes in the team)
I'd like some pointers on WK support.
Wraith King tips
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With Wraith King...basically you get lv3 on stun. Then buy smokes and go roam and kill people. Always keep a tp for counterganking or if you see a good opportunity for a sneak-in kill (i.e. your lane is being pushed in but u can tp so the enemyl doesn't have vision on your -> wraparound).
He is most effective in a dual lane scenario.
Skill Build: Stun -> Stats -> Stun -> Stats -> max stun, -> 1 point into aura -> max crit. Ult whenever possible.
Item Build: Courier/Wards, Salve, Tangoes, 1 Clarity, 1 Branch, 1 Smoke. If other support buys both cour/ward -> Gauntlet of Strength.
Then Boots -> (Stick ->) Urn -> Treads -> Wand -> (Dagger/Blade Mail ->) Armlet -> Stuff.
I prefer to only get Stick when it's really worth it and the enemies that you gank are likely to use a lot of spells because your Urn is essential and you want it ASAP.
Both Dagger and Blade Mail can be skipped if you don't feel the need to buy them. But Dagger is always awesome so u can just get it whenever. If your team has good enough initiate you don't need it though.
If you go roaming, don't fret if you have to stand around a cliff for half a/one minute. Eventually, the timing will come. When you do go in, ping the hero you want to gang a thousand times. If you go onto a lane to try and gang somebody, always say "omw bot/mid/top, killing X/Y". Most don't have that much map awareness to be honest.
Sorry this looks kind of underwhelming lol, but it's just the general plan what I do to win the games lol. To get lv3, (sometimes you can just go gang with lv1 or 2 as well. Your stun is extremly strong since it has a set stun duration and a 2 sec slow after that) just stack camp or leech some exp from the lane. If you are close to Boots (assist gold, farmed the stack, whatever), just steal 1-2 last hits from your carry and tell him to go fuck himself, you want those boots (they're still no necessity though, your base move speed is decent. But they can be extremly good ofc).
As a general tip if you want to improve - watch your own replays and see objectively where you've gone wrong. Point out important mistakes and the general mistakes you've done and try to better them in the next matches. Try to play with the least mistakes as possible rather than focus on killing stuff/big plays/the feel-good-shit. (http://dotabuff.com/players/92755545 here is my dotabuff, if you ever want to watch a replay for WK support)
He is most effective in a dual lane scenario.
Skill Build: Stun -> Stats -> Stun -> Stats -> max stun, -> 1 point into aura -> max crit. Ult whenever possible.
Item Build: Courier/Wards, Salve, Tangoes, 1 Clarity, 1 Branch, 1 Smoke. If other support buys both cour/ward -> Gauntlet of Strength.
Then Boots -> (Stick ->) Urn -> Treads -> Wand -> (Dagger/Blade Mail ->) Armlet -> Stuff.
I prefer to only get Stick when it's really worth it and the enemies that you gank are likely to use a lot of spells because your Urn is essential and you want it ASAP.
Both Dagger and Blade Mail can be skipped if you don't feel the need to buy them. But Dagger is always awesome so u can just get it whenever. If your team has good enough initiate you don't need it though.
If you go roaming, don't fret if you have to stand around a cliff for half a/one minute. Eventually, the timing will come. When you do go in, ping the hero you want to gang a thousand times. If you go onto a lane to try and gang somebody, always say "omw bot/mid/top, killing X/Y". Most don't have that much map awareness to be honest.
Sorry this looks kind of underwhelming lol, but it's just the general plan what I do to win the games lol. To get lv3, (sometimes you can just go gang with lv1 or 2 as well. Your stun is extremly strong since it has a set stun duration and a 2 sec slow after that) just stack camp or leech some exp from the lane. If you are close to Boots (assist gold, farmed the stack, whatever), just steal 1-2 last hits from your carry and tell him to go fuck himself, you want those boots (they're still no necessity though, your base move speed is decent. But they can be extremly good ofc).
As a general tip if you want to improve - watch your own replays and see objectively where you've gone wrong. Point out important mistakes and the general mistakes you've done and try to better them in the next matches. Try to play with the least mistakes as possible rather than focus on killing stuff/big plays/the feel-good-shit. (http://dotabuff.com/players/92755545 here is my dotabuff, if you ever want to watch a replay for WK support)
If it isn't asking too much, could you make an ingame build for these (Zeus and WK)? You can easily convert what you've typed out here in a build.
Gonna try WK support in a bot match for giggles, thanks for the tips!
Gonna try WK support in a bot match for giggles, thanks for the tips!
Heh, funny we are talking about Zeus. I can support Magic fully on what he says. I haven't lost a match on Zeus for almost 2 months now.
I wouldn't be surprised if they nerf him into oblivion after ti4.
I wouldn't be surprised if they nerf him into oblivion after ti4.
Soulclenz wrote:
Heh, funny we are talking about Zeus. I can support Magic fully on what he says. I haven't lost a match on Zeus for almost 2 months now.
I wouldn't be surprised if they nerf him into oblivion after ti4.
anyway talk about zeus :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP2W1iimSjY
in min 3:00
I'd be happy if they Nerf Zeus. A suggestion probably to reduce his ults damage but lower the cooldown to compensate
Agree with this one~ his ulti , skill 2 are really hurt can Kill and KS easily , need normalizationSonatora wrote:
I'd be happy if they Nerf Zeus. A suggestion probably to reduce his ults damage but lower the cooldown to compensate
Tried it and yes, Zeus destroys almost everything before the 30 minute mark.
how about huskar
and not just minute 30
his 3rd skill is scaling throughout the whole game
and not just minute 30
his 3rd skill is scaling throughout the whole game
Huskar needs a reworkPizzicato wrote:
how about huskar
and not just minute 30
his 3rd skill is scaling throughout the whole game
His 3rd skill is really nothing special. Easy to counter via thorns or just ganging on him with physical attacks when he ults.Pizzicato wrote:
how about huskar
and not just minute 30
his 3rd skill is scaling throughout the whole game
I wouldn't say he needs a rework, he just isn't a top tier pick currently. The only hero that needs a complete revamp imo is Broodmother.
Broodmother and Huskar are the two most useless heroes at the moment (imo).
Broodmother feeds 200 gold so easily to the enemy, the only thing you can do with your spiders is trying to farm the jungle and even then you risk to lose them. And what do you contribute to your team besides your spider push? Yes, you can get solo kills as soon as you get an orchid but in team fights Brood just sucks.
And Huskar needs to be low hp to actually do something.
Broodmother feeds 200 gold so easily to the enemy, the only thing you can do with your spiders is trying to farm the jungle and even then you risk to lose them. And what do you contribute to your team besides your spider push? Yes, you can get solo kills as soon as you get an orchid but in team fights Brood just sucks.
And Huskar needs to be low hp to actually do something.
I just find that Broodmother off web is too harmful. What I mean by this is if you're fighting a BM, she could have all the farm in the world and every item she could want, and as soon as you lure her off her webs, she just slooooowwwlly chases heroes and spits a weak single target nuke.Tshemmp wrote:
Broodmother and Huskar are the two most useless heroes at the moment (imo).
Broodmother feeds 200 gold so easily to the enemy, the only thing you can do with your spiders is trying to farm the jungle and even then you risk to lose them. And what do you contribute to your team besides your spider push? Yes, you can get solo kills as soon as you get an orchid but in team fights Brood just sucks.
And Huskar needs to be low hp to actually do something.
I agree about her slings being way more harm than good too, even in early game phase.
if Huskar i think it depends with the enemy and the player too , if he get many kills it'll be hard to fight him late but if he can't farm and kills he'll easy
The only time Huskar is a threat late game is if the enemy team has no hard carry and only magic damage. If such a situation occurs you're either playing AR or against a bunch of bad drafters =p. Pretty much any carry will outshine Huskar late game.gretay wrote:
if Huskar i think it depends with the enemy and the player too , if he get many kills it'll be hard to fight him late but if he can't farm and kills he'll easy
Also, your logic of a hero getting many kills = harder to deal with vs hero getting no kills = easy to beat applies to pretty much any of them xD.
The problem with huskar is, even with low damage, his attack speed is monstrous. He can semi-tank late game and still dominate with his W and E. Combine it with his R and he's unstoppable at late gameSoulclenz wrote:
The only time Huskar is a threat late game is if the enemy team has no hard carry and only magic damage. If such a situation occurs you're either playing AR or against a bunch of bad drafters =p. Pretty much any carry will outshine Huskar late game.gretay wrote:
if Huskar i think it depends with the enemy and the player too , if he get many kills it'll be hard to fight him late but if he can't farm and kills he'll easy
Also, your logic of a hero getting many kills = harder to deal with vs hero getting no kills = easy to beat applies to pretty much any of them xD.
He is not precisely unstoppable though.Sonatora wrote:
The problem with huskar is, even with low damage, his attack speed is monstrous. He can semi-tank late game and still dominate with his W and E. Combine it with his R and he's unstoppable at late game
Yes, huskar have ridiculous attack speen and tanky in late game, but it doesn't mean he don't have any weakness.
IMO this is huskar weakness:
1. His burning spear is not hurt at all @ late game
2. His passive only reduce magical damage, it means huskar is vulnurable with physical damage and pure damage. Like gretay wrote, almost all carry will outshine him @ late game.
3. He maybe tanky, but he can outshine a pure tanker because his R need no little amount of HP. It makes huskar less tanky.
4. He is useless when fight the enemy with bkb (linken too though). A smart enemy team will have a lot bkb and linken in them.
5. He really depend on skill to ganking and team fight, it means Silence, Hex, Soul burn, and all sort of disable is fatal for him.
A quick Heavens Halberd + Stunlocks can turn a monstrous ultra-fed huskar into a useless one. That's what I do everytime, lolkagaminelenz wrote:
He is not precisely unstoppable though.Sonatora wrote:
The problem with huskar is, even with low damage, his attack speed is monstrous. He can semi-tank late game and still dominate with his W and E. Combine it with his R and he's unstoppable at late game
Yes, huskar have ridiculous attack speen and tanky in late game, but it doesn't mean he don't have any weakness.
IMO this is huskar weakness:
1. His burning spear is not hurt at all @ late game
2. His passive only reduce magical damage, it means huskar is vulnurable with physical damage and pure damage. Like gretay wrote, almost all carry will outshine him @ late game.
3. He maybe tanky, but he can outshine a pure tanker because his R need no little amount of HP. It makes huskar less tanky.
4. He is useless when fight the enemy with bkb (linken too though). A smart enemy team will have a lot bkb and linken in them.
5. He really depend on skill to ganking and team fight, it means Silence, Hex, Soul burn, and all sort of disable is fatal for him.
found huskar? maybe we can trust necro's scythe and lifestealer :3
for Life Stealer maybe right but umm i dont recommend Necro's scythe my friend said it's magic (i never use necro)Sven- wrote:
found huskar? maybe we can trust necro's scythe and lifestealer :3
maybe for huskar you need Clinkz , i've seen huskar feed because of Clinkz from the early game
or Sven + Bkb - Huskar = A Pancake
i once laned huskar with dazzle and treant at bottom lane. we're dire, so it was an aggressive trilane. they were against apparition, doom and mirana
he snowballed hard because they cant do anything to him earlygame
what makes him strong early game is that burning spear
it stacks too
he snowballed hard because they cant do anything to him earlygame
what makes him strong early game is that burning spear
it stacks too
the spider bounty increase and base damage nerf really killed broodmotherTshemmp wrote:
Broodmother and Huskar are the two most useless heroes at the moment (imo).
Broodmother feeds 200 gold so easily to the enemy, the only thing you can do with your spiders is trying to farm the jungle and even then you risk to lose them. And what do you contribute to your team besides your spider push? Yes, you can get solo kills as soon as you get an orchid but in team fights Brood just sucks.
And Huskar needs to be low hp to actually do something.
Huskar's Burning spear can kill many heroes at the early game , for the brood i think if a pro plays him he is a real killer ~_~
But It's pretty rare to see a pro play brood as a full-killer
Usually, I see brood become hard-pusher and semi-killer. They focus on pushing and only kill if it really necessary (ex. team war)
Usually, I see brood become hard-pusher and semi-killer. They focus on pushing and only kill if it really necessary (ex. team war)
We've already gone over why Huskar and Brood aren't that great.
On another note, I seriously can't believe we might hit the 10m mark for the prize pool at Ti4, unreal.
On another note, I seriously can't believe we might hit the 10m mark for the prize pool at Ti4, unreal.
imagine winning just 1% of thatSoulclenz wrote:
We've already gone over why Huskar and Brood aren't that great.
On another note, I seriously can't believe we might hit the 10m mark for the prize pool at Ti4, unreal.
I'm pretty amazed how big the pool got in such short time