I think there're dozens of things that could be added, tips containing some techniques like mouse grip, hand position. You could even find some various philosophies concerning the topic of how to play better and better.

You have a point Amai-san. And seeing as how you are one of the best mouse users in osu, do you mind writing a paragraph about the advantages and disadvantages of different mouse grips? If you can't/don't wanna do it, I would ask some other pro mouse player to write one. Then the author of this thread can add it to the opening post (or jesse can add it to his thread, doesn't matter).

Kriers would be perfect for this, he has more knowledge than I do. The thing is whether he would want to write it.

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well shit

is it bad that this is all true for me

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My beard approves of this thread

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I think there're dozens of things that could be added, tips containing some techniques like mouse grip, hand position. You could even find some various philosophies concerning the topic of how to play better and better.

I'll post any good stuff people send me in my thread. (I'd also be happy to merge my thread with thuis one or vice-versa.)

ScarletStory wrote:

Much thanks to sarasseo for supplying me with a format that doesn't kill your eyes and marcostudios for explaining how to make boxes that don't look weird.Of course a gigantic thanks to the people who are showing support/supplying constructive criticism it is extremely helpful and very much appreciated.

ok, not even the first person to say box=, didn't even say it twice.

I've been playing osu! for a little more than a year now, I've never had fun except when I did something better than my friends or myself. Friend ranking is my bible.

Same goes with starcraft2, I don't like the game but tried really hard until I was better than all the people I know personally.

I don't think that is a "wrong reason" to play the game.

monomosc wrote:

I've been playing osu! for a little more than a year now, I've never had fun except when I did something better than my friends or myself. Friend ranking is my bible.

Same goes with starcraft2, I don't like the game but tried really hard until I was better than all the people I know personally.

I don't think that is a "wrong reason" to play the game.

If you have fun by outranking your friends and enveloping yourself in a competitive environment that's not a wrong reason to play, because you're having fun. What i mean is essentially playing for absolutely no reason other than to get better while having no fun. Of course one could argue that getting better at osu! is what makes it fun in the first place and that's completely fine I have no arguments what-so-ever in someone doing that. The point is you found something that made osu! fun and you worked for it. What I mean about playing for the wrong reasons is more along the lines of not enjoying playing at all to the point where you are doing it without even wanting to. I feel like wanting to improve that bad is a wrong reason to play. Of course, that is subjective, but I think that if you don't love doing something then you just... shouldn't do it, if that makes sense.

This is a pretty great thread, informative and humorous. I like that.

Ekaru wrote:

bewaredrev wrote:

I actually did get an ss on Scarlet Rose on the first day but it was in offline mode in a multiplayer match so the replay didn't save :\

hey me too i think it's a bug riot pls fix

I agree that having this and jesse's thread every other post asking dumb stuff about getting better should be instant locked.

This thread should be translated to every possible language, especially morse code it's very important so the enemy spies won't get it.

Wishy wrote:

I agree that having this and jesse's thread every other post asking dumb stuff about getting better should be instant locked.

This thread should be translated to every possible language, especially morse code it's very important so the enemy spies won't get it.

It would be nice if a Person would translate the Thread and post it in the language specific forum.

And ye ppl don't read sticky threads ._.

Hey [any mod], have you thought about cleaning up the sticky threads? There are a lot and many are either useless or could be moved to another sub-forum.

All the torrents/map list/etc threads should be on... well the beatmaps section, there is one beginners training which is SIX years old why is it even here, the Wacom guide is "ok" but tbh it shouldn't be there, only reason it's ok is because people don't really read other sub-forums because everything of general interest has always been thrown her altogether. :p

To remove my hitsounds completly helped me quite a bit, even though i am not anywhere near #1, i still see massive improvements, not from day to day, but when i take a replay from 2 months ago i can see a huge diffrence, even though it may not show every day, you are improving.

Also after i removed my hitsounds, i started enjoying the game more.

So therefore i will thank you a lot of taking your time into writing this thread

All of it is so true, much applause. Too bad I'll forever have terrible accuracy and aim. My senpai will never notice me at this rate ; ;

ScarletStory wrote:

(the hit error indicator shows up as a little rectangle that appears at the bottom of the screen). Blue is good, green is meh, orange is wtf are you doing?

ScarletStory wrote:

Sure you may be able to get the first one maybe even two but as more squares appear those few milliseconds you lost begin adding up and you begin to lag behind and therefore you either A. begin moving into the 100's and eventually 50's. or B. You start going in circles (literally you begin to make circles with your cursor as you get more confused) I cannot stress the importance of snapping to notes. It is probably the most basic necessity in order to complete jumps.

ScarletStory wrote:

In all seriousness though you move through slider 1 slowly then you have to quickly jump all the way to slider 2 and slow down again in order to match the speed of the slider which is difficult, however if you practice this (AS WELL AS PRACTICING FOLLOWING ALL SLIDERS CORRECTLY 100% THROUGH) it will teach you how to have better control over your pen and it will increase your speed in general because you will be more aware of where your cursors going and what movements you need to make in order to get it there without even needing to think about it.

ScarletStory wrote:

Both mice and tablets have their advantages and disadvantages but don't get tricked into believing that either one will require less effort on your part. Let me stress that I'm not in any way trying to talk down tablets mice or mechanical keyboards. What I'm trying to do save you the frustration of getting one thinking you'll be 20 times better only to realize you're still going to need to spend time in order to improve.

So much this. Yes.

And to all people who'd like to improve and seem to hit a wall: It's most likely because you don't have enough maps.
The definition of difficulties varies a lot and there are tons of different mapping styles out there.
So for instance, while you may S some Hards, there will be other Hards you can't even pass. If you play more songs, you'll naturally get better. Don't try to force it. Just come back to that difficult song later and you'll see that it's much easier.

Great post, lots of truth, but i'll add something about what you call "muscle memory"

What ethox said

People tend to forget how training muscular and nervous systems work. Studying how a human body learns mechanically is very, maybe almost as important as psychological aspects of a self-improvement game such as this.

is very true. Knowing how neuromuscular training works is a big help to become good at stuff.


Lots of people are aware of this "muscle memory" thing, without truly understanding it. Those who play instruments are probably the most affected by it. "Do this legato exercise everyday and eventually you'll be able to shred like Eric Johnson".

This is due to a phenomenon called neuroplasticity. Basically, if you work on something intensely (by pushing your limits every time) and on a regular basis (3 times a week at least), your brain and nervous system will actually change in order to make you better at what you do. New connection will be formed between the most solicited neurons in your brain and your nervous system will strengthen the connections with the muscles you use.

If you played the guitar for 20 years, you can hear yourself say stuff like "This F chord is so easy, why can't you do it you scrub" to a beginner, but you have to remember that you are literally made to do that F chord. You made yourself that way through training. It's the same with games, you made your brain to be able to see ar10 notes coming, you made yourself able to stream super fast through training. So train by pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone, and slowly make those hostile 80% accuracy songs feel like the tutorial.

bewaredrev wrote:

I actually did get an ss on Scarlet Rose on the first day but it was in offline mode in a multiplayer match so the replay didn't save :\

Did this with Big Black. Never been able to clear it since :/

what if impressing others and wanting to improve at the game, is what makes me play more and is what brings me fun? (i also play for the cool songs ^0^)

Hikaru [ NZ ] wrote:

what if impressing others and wanting to improve at the game, is what makes me play more and is what brings me fun? (i also play for the cool songs ^0^)

I thought the thread already pointed it out for you.

I was one of those people who thought a tablet would make me "INSTA-BETTER" so I bought one.

It did turn out well in the long run, I am not top 100 or anything but I have gone up about 40000k in ranks, but I now realize it wasn't just because of the tablet lol.

thelewa wrote:

I just read all of this and surprisingly everything is true

All?
Omgosh, THAT is impressive
lol

Im too basic, for me is just play, and then play more D:

- Ethan - wrote:

I was one of those people who thought a tablet would make me "INSTA-BETTER" so I bought one.

It did turn out well in the long run, I am not top 100 or anything but I have gone up about 40000k in ranks, but I now realize it wasn't just because of the tablet lol.

i wish i went up 40000k ranks when i bought my tablet

Just be yourself- Gay phrase 2014.
Good post!

Surprisingly this is all true.... Thanks for this...

Most important tip: Play more.

Good post, Bookmarked for future refrence.

I find the best way to get better is just to try things that you can "barely" do....keep on going at them at eventually you realize you can do them, and some songs that you have trouble before will suddenly seem easy since some hard songs will force you out of bad habits (or else you cant pass). (Obviously dont keep going at songs that insta-kills you....that's barely gonna help.)

What about this issue :
I have easier time reading Scarlet Rose with HD HR than without mods but HR AR is hell to fast for me to play <.<
Also yes i hate AR10 but it was just an example
My biggest problem would be about my hands, since i'm like a giant, i have cold hands almost all the time, and honestly i have to play for about 5hours straight if i want to warmup correctly. I can't play any insanes + unless i do this '-' but after i turn into a superbeastwhocanFCanythingon1sttry (well you got my point D: )

I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ! Hi guys !

Here's my question !
HOW CAN I FIX ALL THOSE FARKING SH*T MISS IM DOING ALMOST EVERYMAPS WITH MORE THAN 1K COMBO ?
I mean i'm playing something perfectly (nojoke) like Dream walker or Last remote - type gamma or even (the most deppressive one) Abstract Nonsense and after like 90xx to 1k combo, i miss.
Whatever it will be, sometimes it's square, sometimes triplet, or sometimes just a random note here that i saw 54sec ago and i knew it would be there, and i still miss it.
I've failed so much FC cause of random miss, sometimes i fail earlier like at 500combo and then i pass the entire song afte, end up with 98% accuracy and only 1 miss.
Brb hanging myself while watching Bro'okiezi Tribute

Kahoria wrote:

What about this issue :
..
I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ! Hi guys !

Here's my question !
HOW CAN I FIX ALL THOSE FARKING SH*T MISS IM DOING ALMOST EVERYMAPS WITH MORE THAN 1K COMBO ?
..ribute

Hello -w-

LOL This reminds me of the time that I was about to FC Lost one no Goukouku.....and then I said to myself.."It will be sad if I fail.."....then I completely missed a stream and failed, and didnt get anywhere near the same combo until maybe 6 months later ._./

Kahoria wrote:

What about this issue :
I have easier time reading Scarlet Rose with HD HR than without mods but HR AR is hell to fast for me to play <.<
Also yes i hate AR10 but it was just an example

Solution: Stop thinking that what people who have way more experience than you say applies to you as well. HR doesn't make things easier, it only sometimes makes complicated maps easier to read due to AR10, ONLY for those who can readplay it. If you're referring to "reading" the same way as someone in the thread "AR things (question)" does, that "reading" is just realizing "There's a note there but I can't really do anything about it", I suggest you re-define your version of "reading".

If you wanna improve FCing skills, play some easier insanes that you can FC in a few retries with HIGH accuracy. It will improve your consistency while playing, which is probably what's preventing you from FCing. I did this for a month or so, going over old S records with 99% (SS seems to hate me). Although it might not give PP, it makes a huge difference in accuracy.

I did a couple of these things.. but I found the slide thing out quick enough. 3rd day of playing osu! I got a 450+ combo, S rank, 1,400,000+ points on a map (difficulty Normal) which I find pretty good. I am just gonna stick to using mouse and 'Z' button only. Alternating? fuck that! Its just like the tablet will make you insta better...

ScarletStory wrote:

Hi everyone, I've been playing osu! daily for almost a year (8 months)

how did u play foralmost a year if ur account is 3 months old?

awesome tips n post bookmarked

iderekmc wrote:

ScarletStory wrote:

Hi everyone, I've been playing osu! daily for almost a year (8 months)

how did u play foralmost a year if ur account is 3 months old?

A lot of osu! Players began playing offline without account

A lot of osu! Players began playing offline without account.

That's a huge overstatement, if anything they just created a new account and their excuse for being better than one would expect would be that they played offline.

TSC wrote:

A lot of osu! Players began playing offline without account.

That's a huge overstatement, if anything they just created a new account and their excuse for being better than one would expect would be that they played offline.

In our world it give Players with talents for osu!

But it give also a lot of Offline Player or Multiaccounter ...

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iderekmc wrote:

ScarletStory wrote:

Hi everyone, I've been playing osu! daily for almost a year (8 months)

how did u play foralmost a year if ur account is 3 months old?

Ahh this question. I was waiting for it to come up eventually! The account that I started on (which I do not use period) had an "offensive" (if that's even the right word don't ask me I'm not easily offended) name and due to the fact that I had already used a supporter tag to change my name *facedesk* I did indeed have to make a new account. However, please let me stress that I don't in any way try to "trick" anyone into thinking something like "OH MY GOD 4 MONTHS AND YOU GOT AN S ON (insert difficult map here)!?!?" No, that's not me in the slightest. In fact, I said myself that playing solely to impress people was a bad reason to play and I'm no hypocrite. The account is due solely to the fact that my old account name came off as offensive to some people, and therefore, I thought it would probably be in the best interest of others and myself to just drop the account while it was still new and to make another as a means to change my name.

If someone would like to call me a multi-accounting jerk son of a b$#@*!!! I suppose they could because it's true if you take it word for word i had two accounts but after reading this over I feel i should add that i did not use them simultaneously it was a transition from one to the other within a day, however, I do not use the other account, period. I don't lie to people about how long I've played, and I wouldn't have done this if I didn't have a good reason (and the reason is a bit personal) and if i could have resolved it in some other fashion I would have.

Yes I do have another account, and no, I do not use it. I did not even want to make a new account and if it were possible I would have deleted the other account I don't use long long loooong ago. On that note, I'm not trying to sway people into thinking that multi-accounting is just fine and dandy, because it's really not. I have no doubt in my mind that, if someone who has no respect for other players or their hard work, were to do something like this, with many many accounts, a lot of people would get REALLY unfairly screwed over. They could have their ranks stolen, and have all their hard work crapped on by one person with many accounts (which i would guess is the reason why multi-accounting is not allowed). People could also be lead to believe that they aren't good enough because someone else who has been playing less time(although in actuality hasn't) got much better than them, and to some people, this can be pretty demoralizing if you've been playing for a year and someone who has been playing for "1 month" is better than you (although i do believe that most people would assume they were multi-accounting and write it off). I'm merely answering this question. As to whether or not it's excusable or inexcusable in my case or any case is up to others. I answered this question in such length because if I had just said "Yeah I have another account" the question of "Why?" would come up and then I'd have to write it out anyway. Not that i particularly mind, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea. If I really wanted to hide it I easily could have, however, I feel like lying over something so trivial would not only make me a jerk it would also destroy any credibility i had, therefore, rendering these whole thread more useless than it may already be. I mean, only a fool would take advice from a liar, unless it was advice about lying then i guess it would be okay but i could go in circles about that all day ANYWAY this is my answer take it or leave it.

Right, you did a great job and I'm so happy, smile, money is in the bank;
Osu is a game when you NEED to click in the balls, I mean X X X X

Awesome. One more thing, play songs from your favourite singer/anime/idol. Helps enjoy osu! more!

The Great Wall of Text !!


Anyways very good thread.

So I was wondering, I usually play with my framerate set to unlimited which causes me to get between 500 and 1k DPS depending on the beatmap and have been for the past few years now but was wondering if playing with FPS that high be impacting my skill level at all or causing my inputs to be read too early? cos in all honesty, in the 5 or so years Ive been playing Osu on and off, while I do notice my skill level slowing increasing every now and again, I just feel that I'm never gonna be able to do maps like Scarlet Rose or any other such beatmap (I can't think of any others off the top of my head lol) and it's kinda demoralising and I don't really know what to do :/

-Ina- wrote:

The Great Wall of Text !!


Anyways very good thread.

Shouldn't it be The Great Wall of Advice?

So true..^^

Pettanko wrote:

Damn some of these things hit really close to home.

If I could suggest you add one more reason, it would be something along the lines of "blaming your equipment(or lack thereof)"

Could you condone that for me?

It's Guinness World Records Book Hard Cover you know?

NeVe12p4wNeD wrote:

Pettanko wrote:

Damn some of these things hit really close to home.

If I could suggest you add one more reason, it would be something along the lines of "blaming your equipment(or lack thereof)"

Could you condone that for me?

It's Guinness World Records Book Hard Cover you know?

I can definitely understand that. Due to lack of a desk, I had to play osu! for a month in much the same setup except for it was in my bed. Not a very fun experience at all. You are condoned sir.

ScarletStory wrote:

I can definitely understand that. Due to lack of a desk, I had to play osu! for a month in much the same setup except for it was in my bed. Not a very fun experience at all. You are condoned sir.

Thank you~! Finally, someone that understands ;w;

I have to play like this for nearly a year, and I started a year and a half ago.
I have a desk to play on now, but it's not mine so sometimes I have to revert back T^T

I try to play a variety of maps but I just can't find songs that I like :/ what to do

Quite honestly.. After reading this i really just want to quit the game.

My bad habits are the reason i still play. I might aswell face it.

*I will never be able to keep a constant stream speed when streaming.
*I will never be able to play HR because of EXTREMELY bad acc.
*I will never be able to properly read nomod.
*I will never find a grip that suits me since i always manage to turn my tablet erasing pretty much all existing musclememory.
*I will never be able to attain my #1 in Denmark.

Story of my Osu! life atm. Atleast i can entertain people through streaming by playing fast stuff. Though no Fc'es or good acc's.

Someone coach me T_T

Mayoi Hachikuji wrote:

Quite honestly.. After reading this i really just want to quit the game.

My bad habits are the reason i still play. I might aswell face it.

*I will never be able to keep a constant stream speed when streaming.
*I will never be able to play HR because of EXTREMELY bad acc.
*I will never be able to properly read nomod.
*I will never find a grip that suits me since i always manage to turn my tablet erasing pretty much all existing musclememory.
*I will never be able to attain my #1 in Denmark.

Story of my Osu! life atm. Atleast i can entertain people through streaming by playing fast stuff. Though no Fc'es or good acc's.

Someone coach me T_T

Switch to another mode or practice nonstop. What your choice. Currently practicing with Taiko and hopefully trying to get to level 50 on there since I am 50+ on each mode. THAT WAS DEDICATION TO GET BETTER, not complaining in this thread

Sulker wrote:

Mayoi Hachikuji wrote:

Quite honestly.. After reading this i really just want to quit the game.

My bad habits are the reason i still play. I might aswell face it.

*I will never be able to keep a constant stream speed when streaming.
*I will never be able to play HR because of EXTREMELY bad acc.
*I will never be able to properly read nomod.
*I will never find a grip that suits me since i always manage to turn my tablet erasing pretty much all existing musclememory.
*I will never be able to attain my #1 in Denmark.

Story of my Osu! life atm. Atleast i can entertain people through streaming by playing fast stuff. Though no Fc'es or good acc's.

Someone coach me T_T

Switch to another mode or practice nonstop. What your choice. Currently practicing with Taiko and hopefully trying to get to level 50 on there since I am 50+ on each mode. THAT WAS DEDICATION TO GET BETTER, not complaining in this thread

Practice non-stop is really the worst thing i can do atm. I and about everyone else knows this. I don't find the other modes boring and wouldn't bother trying them. :s

Oh well good luck then. Sulking around isn't going to do you good either. Oh the irony

Why do i feel like I am getting called out for all of my mistakes

I feel like I'm improving and I'm not at the same time. I can read patterns better, and some songs i thought were difficult and fast before seem slow-medium now. overall i hit difficult sections better, but still not consistently. The problem is I always, always have a stupid miss or 2 which ruins my FC (on hard usually) or i have a miss or 2 on insane and the high hp drain kills me. (then i get pissed off and curse internally about how you shouldn't be able to fail a song in a rhthym game while comboing it and stop playing for at least a few hours). Also, sometimes i feel like i play my best my first time playing a song, or even my first time playing a song in a session. consecutive tries of a song seem to have stupid misses much more frequently .

TL;DR - everything is improving but my consistency and I don't know how to practice/improve that. combo oriented game + no consistency = no high scores (at least not without hundreds of retries or more)

DLH112 wrote:

I feel like I'm improving and I'm not at the same time. I can read patterns better, and some songs i thought were difficult and fast before seem slow-medium now. overall i hit difficult sections better, but still not consistently. The problem is I always, always have a stupid miss or 2 which ruins my FC (on hard usually) or i have a miss or 2 on insane and the high hp drain kills me. (then i get pissed off and curse internally about how you shouldn't be able to fail a song in a rhthym game while comboing it and stop playing for at least a few hours). Also, sometimes i feel like i play my best my first time playing a song, or even my first time playing a song in a session. consecutive tries of a song seem to have stupid misses much more frequently .

TL;DR - everything is improving but my consistency and I don't know how to practice/improve that. combo oriented game + no consistency = no high scores (at least not without hundreds of retries or more)

Well, since the post was too long...(I wanted to add that was sarcasm because I assumed you were talking about your own post) I'll keep this short. Practice(by just playing maps) = increased consistency overall; due to repetition building up muscle memory + general increase in experience. There you go that's probably the best answer I can give as far as consistency is concerned.

hei bad habit section
dats me

Mayoi Hachikuji wrote:

Quite honestly.. After reading this i really just want to quit the game.

My bad habits are the reason i still play. I might aswell face it.

*I will never be able to keep a constant stream speed when streaming.
*I will never be able to play HR because of EXTREMELY bad acc.
*I will never be able to properly read nomod.
*I will never find a grip that suits me since i always manage to turn my tablet erasing pretty much all existing musclememory.
*I will never be able to attain my #1 in Denmark.

Story of my Osu! life atm. Atleast i can entertain people through streaming by playing fast stuff. Though no Fc'es or good acc's.

Someone coach me T_T

i dont get it, you're rank 1 denmark, and you have good acc...
leave the bickering for legitimate bad players

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

hei bad habit section
dats me

Mayoi Hachikuji wrote:

Quite honestly.. After reading this i really just want to quit the game.

My bad habits are the reason i still play. I might aswell face it.

*I will never be able to keep a constant stream speed when streaming.
*I will never be able to play HR because of EXTREMELY bad acc.
*I will never be able to properly read nomod.
*I will never find a grip that suits me since i always manage to turn my tablet erasing pretty much all existing musclememory.
*I will never be able to attain my #1 in Denmark.

Story of my Osu! life atm. Atleast i can entertain people through streaming by playing fast stuff. Though no Fc'es or good acc's.

Someone coach me T_T

i dont get it, you're rank 1 denmark, and you have good acc...
leave the bickering for legitimate bad players

I won't be that in a month or 2. Trust me.

Did spot quite a few bad habits of mine after reading this thread and looking at my play for a bit.
Especially not following sliders, and not snapping to notes.

Been trying to concentrate on improving those aspects lately, hoping it'll do some good.

Good thread.

Very informative. It's nice to see other people's view of the game. Great stuff we've got here. Thanks a lot!

Thank you for the reminder.

It's been 3 years since I've touched osu. When I came back just recently, it was discerning to find out that my accuracy have dropped and that I could no longer play Hard/Insane songs as I have used to. While playing on a new comp is a factor, being way out of practice is another... But instead of pushing myself to doing Hard songs again, I guess it's best to just go with the flow and pick up some new songs for practice. After all, osu is meant to be fun~ /o/

Alright I'm gonna face it. That's me and maybe I'm trying out some new maps...(Played a song for hundreds of times for an SS and gave up at last)

Thanks, this was exactly what I was looking for, a guide that doesn't just tell me one simple word: "Practice", but actually tells me what I should practice on. Normally I get bored reading stuff like this because generally it's all the same bs again you hear everyone telling you. This "guide" was different tho, the sarcasm and the fun references (see what I did there?) made me smile and aroused more respect towards you.

I have been playing for real this game since nov-dec. Started playing insane and now I'm able to pass a good amount of them, but most of time I play with no fail songs I can't or barely pass (freedom dive, or some extra-lunatic difficulty of x song). My question is: can the use of no fail be considered a bad habit even though I have noticed a big improvement in singletapping, stream,stamina and aiming due to that?

Overall, a informative thread, most things are very true. Muscle memory is indeed a big thing in this game. I'm probably going to get a tablet, but its pretty obvious it will take time to reach the level I got with mouse.

leyendax69 wrote:

My question is: can the use of no fail be considered a bad habit even though I have noticed a big improvement in singletapping, stream,stamina and aiming due to that?

Overall, a informative thread, most things are very true. Muscle memory is indeed a big thing in this game. I'm probably going to get a tablet, but its pretty obvious it will take time to reach the level I got with mouse.

I wouldn't consider it a bad habit as long as you're having fun while using it. If you keep playing really fast songs you can barley pass your accuracy is going to suffer a lot since you're most likely right now just tapping away. If you think you're fine in the accuracy department keep playing but be warned tapping as fast as you can isn't good for accuracy.

Also, it won't take you much time to get used to a tablet. Just find the right area that you feel comfortable playing with and after two days, one week max, you'll be back to what you used to be able to play. Muscle memory is important but osu! is a bunch of reading so since a tablet won't change your thinking you'll be fine.

PinkHusky wrote:

I wouldn't consider it a bad habit as long as you're having fun while using it. If you keep playing really fast songs you can barley pass your accuracy is going to suffer a lot since you're most likely right now just tapping away. If you think you're fine in the accuracy department keep playing but be warned tapping as fast as you can isn't good for accuracy.

Also, it won't take you much time to get used to a tablet. Just find the right area that you feel comfortable playing with and after two days, one week max, you'll be back to what you used to be able to play. Muscle memory is important but osu! is a bunch of reading so since a tablet won't change your thinking you'll be fine.

Thanks for the help. What I meant for barely pass is that I cant finish them without fail, I can get good combos even on lunatic or extra songs with decent accuracy. Mainly because I'm more interested in train my skill than on improve my rank. And yeah I know muscle memory is not the only important thing, just pointing that out because lately I noticed jumps are a lot easier for me. Although that can be because I deactivated windows acceleration (thank god I did it).
Edit: I don't think I'm jut tapping away, my fingers are fast enough I think, unless I put DT on insanes.

leyendax69 wrote:

I have been playing for real this game since nov-dec. Started playing insane and now I'm able to pass a good amount of them, but most of time I play with no fail songs I can't or barely pass (freedom dive, or some extra-lunatic difficulty of x song). My question is: can the use of no fail be considered a bad habit even though I have noticed a big improvement in singletapping, stream,stamina and aiming due to that?

Overall, a informative thread, most things are very true. Muscle memory is indeed a big thing in this game. I'm probably going to get a tablet, but its pretty obvious it will take time to reach the level I got with mouse.

A very good question. Sadly, the best answer I can give you is a bit ambiguous. To answer the question "can the use of no fail be considered a bad habit", the best answer I could give you is maybe... I say that because of the different situations in which it can be used. Lets say there's two scenario's, A and B. Scenario A is where you are using no fail because you don't understand the map AT ALL i.e. you spend most of your time slamming your fingers around just kinda hoping for the best, you're all over the place and you just generally don't have the slightest clue what's going on or how this particular map is "possible". Scenario B you understand the map but there are a few parts that you don't understand but are trying to learn. You constantly fail at these parts due to say a weird stream, high HP drain rate, or fast sliders followed by fast singles or an array of other possibilities but overall you understand the map and can follow the beat and do well for the most part. I believe that the first scenario, A, would probably be most likely to bring about the bad habit of button mashing/not following the beat correctly but it does depend on the person sometimes facing maps you don't understand head on can work but I've found those experiences to be rare and few in number. On the other hand scenario B is one where I believe that using no-fail is perfectly fine. If there's just one or two parts of the map you cant seem to grasp I don't see the harm in trying to figure them out while at the same time practicing the parts of the map you do understand. That should be perfectly fine. In the end, it just kind of depends on how you are personally using no fail. If you're using no fail and getting 65% or less accuracy you should probably go practice other maps that you are able to do and then come back to that map later, however, if you are getting 85% or higher but just cant seem to pass it due to a few parts I think that using no fail is probably the second best option (next to half-time) in order to figure it out.

ScarletStory wrote:

A very good question. Sadly, the best answer I can give you is a bit ambiguous. To answer the question "can the use of no fail be considered a bad habit", the best answer I could give you is maybe... I say that because of the different situations in which it can be used. Lets say there's two scenario's, A and B. Scenario A is where you are using no fail because you don't understand the map AT ALL i.e. you spend most of your time slamming your fingers around just kinda hoping for the best, you're all over the place and you just generally don't have the slightest clue what's going on or how this particular map is "possible". Scenario B you understand the map but there are a few parts that you don't understand but are trying to learn. You constantly fail at these parts due to say a weird stream, high HP drain rate, or fast sliders followed by fast singles or an array of other possibilities but overall you understand the map and can follow the beat and do well for the most part. I believe that the first scenario, A, would probably be most likely to bring about the bad habit of button mashing/not following the beat correctly but it does depend on the person sometimes facing maps you don't understand head on can work but I've found those experiences to be rare and few in number. On the other hand scenario B is one where I believe that using no-fail is perfectly fine. If there's just one or two parts of the map you cant seem to grasp I don't see the harm in trying to figure them out while at the same time practicing the parts of the map you do understand. That should be perfectly fine. In the end, it just kind of depends on how you are personally using no fail. If you're using no fail and getting 65% or less accuracy you should probably go practice other maps that you are able to do and then come back to that map later, however, if you are getting 85% or higher but just cant seem to pass it due to a few parts I think that using no fail is probably the second best option (next to half-time) in order to figure it out.

That is very helpful, in my case I think is the scenario B. And yes, there is songs where I get 60-65%, I don't retry and comeback a few days later to try it again with a 80+% most of the cases. So your answer clarifies me a little more the things. I really don't know if the difference between mouse and tablet is that huge, but I will see... mainly because I have a cheaper one and is very hard to aim correctly even if I can see the map clearly. Thank you ^.^

this is actually really insightful, thank you for writing this

^ THIS... THIS THIS AND THIS A HUNDRED TIMES.

i have that bad habit of changing my tablet area because i think making it larger in some maps and smaller in other ones will help me FC them when in reality it doesn't... bad thing i realized that after almost 8 months playing with tablet


Overall 10/10, there's a lot of bad things i do and i didn't even noticed, such as playing just because i want to improve... and it's true i don't have fun when i play for that reason.


Great thread


PD: Sorry for my bad grammar, english is not my native language :v

Wow what an amazing thread. Yes I can see my flaws now, with my streaming, aim, and other stuff. My fingers will sometimes lock up on streams and I end up failing the map. I mean, I do want to get better at osu, but for now I'm just casually playing (and trying to relearn how to play atm) I've always liked to try and entertain my friends, which was quite fun tbh. Though I never thought I was great at this game as far as skill was concerned, I guess I still have a long ways to go. I realized I have this bad habit of trying to fc maps and somehow miss a note at the end >.<

i just play osu and get better. i get frustrated but my frustration motivates me. i play for hours trying to improve my movement and my rhythm and then hours when im warmed up improving my speed. i dont see why this has to be as complicated as a nuclear reactor to understand. i mean i know people frown on saying "practice and get better" but practice has a lot of very small components which make it easy to understand. practice rhythm, movement and speed. sometimes practicing on lower speeds to ease yourself into higher ones is a good idea. practice noticeable flaws, sometimes feedback from friends is required for this. thats basically all i do and i continue to improve. ezpz.

i however never think i will be a top 500 or so player.. but that is a self confidence unrelated to osu style problem i have to tackle in my personal life. =w=

Kurimu wrote:

i just play osu and get better. i get frustrated but my frustration motivates me. i play for hours trying to improve my movement and my rhythm and then hours when im warmed up improving my speed. i dont see why this has to be as complicated as a nuclear reactor to understand. i mean i know people frown on saying "practice and get better" but practice has a lot of very small components which make it easy to understand. practice rhythm, movement and speed. sometimes practicing on lower speeds to ease yourself into higher ones is a good idea. practice noticeable flaws, sometimes feedback from friends is required for this. thats basically all i do and i continue to improve. ezpz.

i however never think i will be a top 500 or so player.. but that is a self confidence unrelated to osu style problem i have to tackle in my personal life. =w=

I agree with you practice is probably the only way to truly get better (if you haven't noticed I basically snuck in ways to practice throughout this entire thread without just saying "practice" by itself) osu! isn't something you can get better at by studying without doing. That would be similar to studying how a pianos pedals work and where the notes are at, then never playing a piano, and then expecting to be a master at it merely because you know how it works. At the same time I feel like it should be a given that my thoughts are not going to be correct for everyone because everyone's different and there are always exceptions. If you can honestly say you play osu! for hours constantly frustrated and using that frustration to improve I can respect that, in fact, if that's true you have the patience of a saint. My only counterargument could be, OKAY so lets say you get really good at osu! and you are now the best player of all times... now what? What's the point in improving if, from what I've gathered from what you said, you're just kinda pissing yourself off (frustrating yourself) for hours. Is it really worth it to spend countless hours you'll never get back only to find out that once you get good it doesn't even matter because you didn't like it in the first place? By the way that's one of my more objective thoughts too.

If someone was practicing playing a guitar and you asked them if they liked to play the guitar and they said "it just frustrates me so I try to improve" wouldn't that kind of strike you as an "okay...what's the point of that?" moment? You didn't ever say you didn't enjoy osu! and I'm really not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm merely trying to back up my argument. You don't have to agree with it by any means in fact I encourage the challenging of ideas but at the same time I'm going to challenge the ideas that challenge my ideas and then me challenging others challenges is going to have someone else challenge my challenge its an endless cycle! It is true that I cannot ever have the same experiences as others or feel the exact same way as others or see things the exact same way as others, therefore, I'm kind of forced to generalize within this thread.... If it helps at least some people out great I would love that more than anything, and if it doesn't, that's okay too I'm sure they will find their own individualized ways to improve. My point is that 9 times out of 10 someone is really close and just needs just a tiny bit of information, possibly from this thread, to get over some kind of slump they're in or wall they've hit and that's what I'm hoping to accomplish. That's why I have to make it "rocket science" because if I don't and I merely generalized any further than I already have by just saying "practice" without explaining the problem/how to practice then my odds of helping anyone at all are just pretty much none. Hopefully this made some kind of sense I'm pretty scatter brained so I tend to jump between issues but this is probably as good as my response is gonna get.

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..

I've played this game a long while and I feel like i've been through some rough practice many times to the point where I know if i can FC a song. But the thing is.. ill get 1x miss every single play. Not even on the same notes. You're gonna wonder why I play the same map over and over, honestly i dont know either. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/134008 The main issue I see is the snapping, keep in mind i've played this map literally 40 times in a row(full duration no omg i missed time to retry bullshit) to the point i know how it flows correctly. But i still have this timing error.... I don't know how to fix it. It depresses the hell out of me and makes me quit.. because I feel i really could destroy it easily.

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..

I have the same problem, you need to press a lot harder the keys making impossible to get an accurate stream at 200+ bpm. The only solution is to get a mechanical one, laptops are not for this game unless you are already pro in this game.

leyendax69 wrote:

I have the same problem, you need to press a lot harder the keys making impossible to get an accurate stream at 200+ bpm. The only solution is to get a mechanical one, laptops are not for this game unless you are already pro in this game.

Having tested a laptop keyboard I can tell it's not THAT awful, might even be easier in some aspect because the keys are flat (speed), altough it's probably worse for long streams, my accuracy doesn't change going from one to the other

I don't think people should generalize laptop keyboards. I'm assuming there's a difference between mine and all these other horrible ones people complain about, but if not then I don't really even see the big deal.
I prefer my laptop keyboard for speed, but from my limited experience with mechanical keyboards (friends, and ordered one recently), they feel better to play on and you don't have to hold back as much (I'm always afraid I'll break my laptop keys).

GoldenWolf wrote:

Having tested a laptop keyboard I can tell it's not THAT awful, might even be easier in some aspect because the keys are flat (speed), altough it's probably worse for long streams, my accuracy doesn't change going from one to the other

Indeed, is bad for long streams but not just that (at least in my case) I don't find a way where my arm and hand are confortables playing. Totally different to the few times I tried a mechanical kb, but maybe that's just me.

leyendax69 wrote:

Indeed, is bad for long streams but not just that (at least in my case) I don't find a way where my arm and hand are confortables playing. Totally different to the few times I tried a mechanical kb, but maybe that's just me.

It's not just you man.

Laptop keyboards have too little feedback which makes pressing it very very dull, I am only talking about those in general. While mechanical keyboard usually gives you that 'solid' feel and control, that's why all my FC with laptop keyboards are A's and mech kb are S's for songs that are harder to aim

But then again, my laptop keyboard has some kind of delay that is offsetting my presses after it reaches the 3rd key

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..

Well since this somehow became about keyboards I guess I'll give this one a shot too lol. Okay laptop keyboards which i had used for roughly 3-4 months until i got my mechanical keyboard are definitely more difficult to stream on. For one on most laptop keyboards they are chiclet style keys or w/e you call them so it's more difficult to get a grip on them. Also they tend to have a much higher actuation force requiring more effort to push down on keys and generally they do make playing more difficult. However i believe that anyone can get respectable playing experience using one. When i switched from my laptop keyboard to cherry mx reds to be honest i noticed no difference in my speed for the first 2 months i used it, in fact, i think i slowed down considerably because the keys are really that sensitive. Honestly i cannot go 5 words without some kind of typo and if you talked to me on osu you would probably wonder if i knew how to use a keyboard for anything other than using two buttons. Back to the matter at hand, in a general sense yes it is more difficult to use the keyboard in a laptop just because of the fact that it requires more force and there is a limit to how fast the keys will pop back up allow you to get another key press in. With that being said, however, in my experience, there was also almost no experience gained for a while after switching between keyboards which is why i say you need to build up skill to use it.

tl;dr version: Laptop keys require more so they are technically more difficult to use but in the end it all depends on your personal skill i believe that while they may be harder to use you can still do perfectly fine on one, however, i also believe that laptop keyboards slow the learning curve and have a much lower skill cap than cherry mx keyboards simply because cherry mx keyboards are specifically designed to be extremely fast for gaming and generally allow you to use less force while still registering keystroke while at the same time giving you good response so you know exactly when you are pressing a key.

Am I the only one who have problem with the positioning of his tablet.
Always the same.. I improve in everthing besides Aim.. and i even know the problem..
I tried to play with a skewed postioning for like two months, i ended up that my tablet was nearly vertical.
I even moved my hole room so i could play with a straight tablet postion but my arm always moves always away while playing and i start failing.

I tried like everthing wich was in my mind, i even thoght about buying me a new tablet (wich won't solve my problem so ofc i did not buy one)
I didn't improve for now like 3 months and i feel like it won't change.

Does anyone has an idea how to solve a problem like this..?

(sorry for bad english btw.)

Starting having problems with my mouse hand freezing, tensing up, shaking.
songs I've had no real problems with are now harder than usual, snapping to notes has proven to be very difficult as well. now i either miscalculate and fall just short of the circle or over-extend.
when i am FINALLY going well my mind go's into overdrive and i start watching unnecessary things trying to watch the TAB score board and my %Hit as well as trying to hit the notes. i end up failing of course

This is all very recent and it's very aggravating.

cageslammer wrote:

Starting having problems with my mouse hand freezing, tensing up, shaking.
songs I've had no real problems with are now harder than usual, snapping to notes has proven to be very difficult as well. now i either miscalculate and fall just short of the circle or over-extend.
when i am FINALLY going well my mind go's into overdrive and i start watching unnecessary things trying to watch the TAB score board and my %Hit as well as trying to hit the notes. i end up failing of course

This is all very recent and it's very aggravating.

Go and wash you'r hands with warm water and look that you'r room isn't could or use this kind of gloves.
Helped me alot when my hands were frezing. Hope i could help you in any way.

The main big problem for me while playing osu! is that i can't press 2 keys (Z and X) At the same time , its not that i can't press them at all is that i always panic whenever i see a stream or a pile of beats that i lose my control whenever i try to smash 2 button at the same time. the only solution that i can deal with this is just to use 1 button, and its actually very painful to stream with only 1 finger . I was hoping to get some tips to help me with my 1 button smashing syndrome

I use my Index finger

Kritzkingvoid wrote:

The main big problem for me while playing osu! is that i can't press 2 keys (Z and X) At the same time , its not that i can't press them at all is that i always panic whenever i see a stream or a pile of beats that i lose my control whenever i try to smash 2 button at the same time. the only solution that i can deal with this is just to use 1 button, and its actually very painful to stream with only 1 finger . I was hoping to get some tips to help me with my 1 button smashing syndrome

I use my Index finger

play slow streamy maps and practice.

goresick wrote:

Go and wash you'r hands with warm water and look that you'r room isn't could or use this kind of gloves.
Helped me alot when my hands were frezing. Hope i could help you in any way.

i would totally love a pair of gloves like that regardless of weather it's cold or not, however sadly i don't think it has something to do with the temperature.
however i will try it. although i still don't understand why my arm freezes up like a brick even at work, watching TV, it was fine a few days ago -.-
and i can probably rule the miscalculations up to overestimating my ability of judgement.

now ima go buy me a pair of them gloves

It seems like a good article, but i can't understand it.....okay, i still go back to learn more English.

shh i like my 4k only bad habit o3o, do play 5k on occasion for fun though c:

F is for friends who do stuff together
U is for you and me
N is for anywhere and anytime at all
Down here in the deep blue sea!

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..

I can play AR9 @ 190-200 BPM using the MacBook keyboard. Maybe it's just practice.

NeVe12p4wNeD wrote:

Maxcimum wrote:

How about players who play osu! using laptop? Its hard to 'zxzxzx' faster because the laptop key isn't that sensitive than mechanical keyboard like Cherry MX or any good mechanical keyboard..

I can play AR9 @ 190-200 BPM using the MacBook keyboard. Maybe it's just practice.

Everything is practise but you will defently kill your laptop keyboard by playing to long and to streamy.

Other than all the reasons listed in this thread, there's also one more,
Blaming your equipment( mouse, keyboard,etc )

Ermagawd my mouse dpi succcckksss ,
ermagawd my keyboard hazzz delay, sometimes nottt even responnndingg

lmao. (This is based on real experience. I was playing with some friends)

jovee wrote:

Other than all the reasons listed in this thread, there's also one more,
Blaming your equipment( mouse, keyboard,etc )

Ermagawd my mouse dpi succcckksss ,
ermagawd my keyboard hazzz delay, sometimes nottt even responnndingg

lmao. (This is based on real experience. I was playing with some friends)

Ah yeah and then he finds out that his keyboard really had delay...
People know that for sure that it is there own fold they just have this
kind of personality. But serious i know persons were they equipment has some kind of fault.

I mean I even personly know that. Having a good score on a song and then just near the end,
tablet show no reaction and i fail or the game is laggin.

I honestly don't understand the snapping thing for one reason... people say not to play with your hand tensed at all. If you try to snap with your hand is even slightly relaxed, then the mouse will make a small bounce in your hand after the movement and you miss the note.

Can someone explain how you are supposed to snap without holding the mouse tighter?

DustyFfy wrote:

I honestly don't understand the snapping thing for one reason... people say not to play with your hand tensed at all. If you try to snap with your hand is even slightly relaxed, then the mouse will make a small bounce in your hand after the movement and you miss the note.

Can someone explain how you are supposed to snap without holding the mouse tighter?

practice and learn to snap without tensing up

GoldenWolf wrote:

practice and learn to snap without tensing up

Apparently everything is possible with practice...

Oh, how ignorant I am.

Read the whole topic and agree with every word. Players are getting better every time they hit the circles. The faster you have to hit - the more you need to spend time to do it. "Difficulty" is moving away from the "comfort zone" in many directions: faster speed, smaller circles, longer streams, shorter sliders, etc. When you train in these directions you are paving the bridges from one skill to another. These bridges sag to the point where you really feel confident in the game. Very often there is a feeling that you are stuck in place, and instead to quietly continue to play and have fun, you throw on unattainable for you difficulty trying to break it. If you dont have success - you get depressed, angry, and following attempts to become worse, but if you have passed this level then you will try more in this direction (not bad at all, but...), not noticing what you have not mastered in the other direction and just evade them. I made these conclusions after reading this thread and on my own experience. I have a funny problem - can play fast BPM DT maps (try them hard) but I can't normally FC much slower maps. Each FC takes a bunch of attempts and efforts, just because of a few errors in the same places-_-. Certainly worth something edit in my trainings:)
Thanks for an interesting topic guides on motivation, and I apologize for my bad English.