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TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

SoG Tava wrote:

i don't agree with you she can give a decent shield + movement speed great poke she fits good in sieging comps
Not a lot of team comps can benefit from empowered shield.

Using empowered shield means you're gonna have even less burst for a while.

Not using empowered shield means you have to be either that much ahead or in/against a right team comp to be able to go back and forth into fairly close range utilizing your poke, missing hp regen and snare.

Even though Karma's kit changed a lot after rework, in general she still is a team reliant lane bully.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

TKiller wrote:

SoG Tava wrote:

i don't agree with you she can give a decent shield + movement speed great poke she fits good in sieging comps
Not a lot of team comps can benefit from empowered shield.

Using empowered shield means you're gonna have even less burst for a while.

Not using empowered shield means you have to be either that much ahead or in/against a right team comp to be able to go back and forth into fairly close range utilizing your poke, missing hp regen and snare.

Even though Karma's kit changed a lot after rework, in general she still is a team reliant lane bully.
you've got a point
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
There's really no reason to pick Karma in this meta. Her poke is mediocre, play Nidalee or Gragas for poke. Her burst is awful and she has subpar mobility so she isn't an assassin. Her utility is subpar too, play Orianna for utility instead. And there are many matchups that can go even or win vs Karma so she's not even the best lane bully. Imo until the meta shifts to supportive midlaners, the only way she would be viable is if she was reworked to support.
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
4.3 patch notes are out. Yay for Gragas, Kha and shroom nerfs \:D/
Kassadin will still be permabanned.
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P r o m i s e s

BrokenArrow wrote:

4.3 patch notes are out. Yay for Gragas, Kha and shroom nerfs \:D/
Kassadin will still be permabanned.
Kha'Zix is getting a nerf? Wow, about time. Same goes for Kassadin, but I rarely played against him anyway since he's always banned.
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan
Gragas, Kha'Zix and Kass nerfs FUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRK
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
aaaaaaaaaanddd another Kass nerf.
Stjpa
901 posts
Joined July 2013
Stjpa

BrokenArrow wrote:

4.3 patch notes are out. Yay for Gragas, Kha and shroom nerfs \:D/
Kassadin will still be permabanned.
The problem is, that Gragas will still be viable...this nerf isn't a real nerf, and that's kinda wondering me...
Same for Kassa, he still has his sick AP ratios. :p
And Kha..idk, ppl will still play him too...
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Gragas nerf won't do much. Riot is nerfing him the wrong way (no surprise).
He needs to lose most if not all the random tank stats from both his passive and W before nerfs start to hurt him. Can even buff him to compensate for losing tankyness.

Kassadin needs to be remade. Stupid kit that will either be brokenly overpowered or straight up useless.

I actually think Kha'Zix was in a good place. Q nerf is fine, but the .6 ratio from his E will hurt him some. 2 second stealth ulti is interesting though.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
The buff on Face of the Mountain is just amazing. I love it.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1
Players can now be invited to and accept game invitations while already in a lobby

Thank God finally <3
OzzyOzrock
5,185 posts
Joined August 2010
OzzyOzrock
omg master yi in hexakill

all skill
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna
I'd like the see the new Kayle icons! =O
Also liking the change to boots of mobility, sightstone and ruby sightstone.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status ... 8783727617

I want to play the new Warwick so badly. :(
Kit seems very close to a PBE launch, but I know they want to launch it with a VU so who knows how far along that is. =\
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Riot wrote:

Lifetime RP Rewards
DontHassleDaHoff, a CRM Manager, replied to
"Krusher - you haven't missed it yet and it hasn't been cancelled. We've been going through iterations of it to make sure its awesome. Once it's ready, we'll make sure you're aware of it. Thanks again for checking in!"
He continued:
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When asked about how awesome it will be, he commented:
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But on a serious note, I don't want to spoil too much. As Moons posted back on page two, we have some ideas around this and we're currently getting feedback from some of our players.
There are a lot of variables in play here, and if you look through the threads, they echo some of our concerns:
- don't alienate the players between those that have spent a lot vs. not a lot
- account for those of you that have spent "abnormal amounts" (quoting Kay911kay) vs. those that have spent less.
- most importantly don't suck
Our initial thought on this back on 2012, was to give our fans different Summoner icons, but that was at a time when icons weren't readily available and as Lavasioth pointed out - icons won't do.

Other details around tiers, rewards, and timing, are still under review."

Mhh i am curious what the rewards will be i have spend alot of money on this game :s
Blaziken
611 posts
Joined June 2011
Blaziken
So, how is Kha Zix now? I can still play him right?
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Blaziken wrote:

So, how is Kha Zix now? I can still play him right?
Yeah of course
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy
OMG.
Can't wait to go home and play Vel'Koz >w<
Pew pew LASERS~
-throws $ at comp screen, rito plz-
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow


Red is such a pretty color
Just like the blood that's flowing out of my veins
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy
_w_
I hate how my win rate is stuck at 50%.
It's always win one, then lose one.
Blaziken
611 posts
Joined June 2011
Blaziken


I just HAD to go buy Lee Sin.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

Vulf wrote:

Gragas nerf won't do much. Riot is nerfing him the wrong way (no surprise).
Yeah, lowering the ratio is the worst way to address his ult. The problem is not in the damage, the problem that it's high damage, instant and dirupting at the same time.

Even something as simple as making it like 0.66 ap +0.7 current base instant and 0.33+0.3 current base dps over 3 seconds would make it a lot more counterplayable while still powerful. Obviously just giving this as an example.

Gragas' whole kit is close to be balanced. Even the 15% reduction is not that much overpowered, it's the fact that the kit doesn't require you to put yourself in danger to do your big damage unless you're cleaning up.

I believe that his kit can be balanced through numbers, just not damage numbers alone.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
High damage, High mobility, Medium-high utility, and very disruptive all while being played similar to an assassin. Low risk very high reward.
If they are going to nerf Ahri for this then there is no excuse for Gragas to stay how he is.

He has way too much going on for him. Just saying his damage isn't the problem. It's the random tankyness (from his passive and W) combo'd with a movement displacement and an attack speed slow. 1 of the 3 needs to be toned down a lot.
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy

Blaziken wrote:



I just HAD to go buy Lee Sin.
The ree singah is op doe.
Def. one of my fav junglers =w=
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
The Darien disrespect. Manamune on Aatrox lmao.
Guuhan
21 posts
Joined November 2013
Guuhan
Darien is such a pro xP
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Navizel wrote:

The Darien disrespect. Manamune on Aatrox lmao.
Darien is the defenition of swag #420 blaze it
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P r o m i s e s
Oh god. The Doran's Shield nerf will make me have a much harder time in my lane against match ups like Renekton (Riven main). Also saw somewhere the Boots of Lucidity is also getting a nerf to it's CDR, making it another nerf to her :/.
By the way, wasn't Draven getting a nerf on his passive? They've done nothing about that yet. If the dude stacks his Q fast and get's an early kill he's untouchable for the rest of the laning phase
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
after the darien posts i read your opening line as "darien's shield" and i was like hang on what
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika

tyrael6192 wrote:

after the darien posts i read your opening line as "darien's shield" and i was like hang on what
lmfao

i can't wait for this doran's shield nerf, doran shield thresh rekt my support in lane and i almost cried
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Hika wrote:

i can't wait for this doran's shield nerf
Yeah dorans shield Needs a nerf
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller


I suddenly remembered that Irelia exists.
Mamoru Senpai
Mamoru Senpai


Lower Diamond in a nutshell.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
the copypaste comment is a nice touch
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel


yay
Ceph23
687 posts
Joined September 2013
Ceph23

Navizel wrote:



yay
This has the makings of an incredible, totally not shitty game
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller


Client crashed on loading for me, Lucian and Wukong. Came to game ~2,5 levels behind.

Silly platinum.
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan


#SWAG
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Jordan wrote:



#SWAG
Gratz ! :D that's my goal 2
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow


my win/lose cycle is so fucked up
it's been either only losses or only wins for three days already
5 wins 2 days ago
6 straight losses yesterday
and now I'm sitting on 3 wins today again
IS THIS HOW ALLIANCE FELT LIKE
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Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1


#bronze
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf


I give up with AP warwick. Can't carry these games for some reason despite having ridiculous KDA's every game.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

Vulf wrote:



I give up with AP warwick. Can't carry these games for some reason despite having ridiculous KDA's every game.
Well, duh.

Only works into low hp teams that can't stun well or jump.

When people pick something like that it's quite hilarious to play though.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

Vulf wrote:



I give up with AP warwick. Can't carry these games for some reason despite having ridiculous KDA's every game.
I saw onlyjaximus playing it once on his stream he had the same problem , high kda but coudent carry
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel


why not
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller


I keep getting these games. Can't tell if they're awesome or incredibly silly.

Fucking platinum, this stuff cracks me up.

I really appreciate the laning Yi pick into laning Vi though, god bless you SayIT. He got a penta btw.
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow


Wow Kassadin not picked or banned is this Season 2
Slith
142 posts
Joined July 2013
Slith

BrokenArrow wrote:



Wow Kassadin not picked or banned is this Season 2
maybe most of them did not know how to play kassadin that well and decided not to pick him. it's all about how you play the champ. though. it's no use if you use kass on ranked if you rarely play him on normal. atleast that's what i think
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
yeah but that would make logical sense, and everyone knows logic is a lost virtue in the league community
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
How can you not know how to play Kassadin though, that's like not understanding the concept of a hammer.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1

TKiller wrote:

How can you not know how to play Kassadin though, that's like not understanding the concept of a hammer.




Well she doesen't understand the concept of a hammer , so i guess she won't be able to play kassadin xD
Ceph23
687 posts
Joined September 2013
Ceph23

tyrael6192 wrote:

everyone knows logic is a lost virtue in the league community
This also applies to most online games really. Something about being behind a computer interacting with people you don't know gives you the urge to throw logic out of the window.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West

BrokenArrow wrote:



Wow Kassadin not picked or banned is this Season 2
omg enemy team gets amumu and blitz gg Kappa

pls report firstpick no bannerino buritzucranku y amumu
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

Kanye West wrote:

BrokenArrow wrote:



Wow Kassadin not picked or banned is this Season 2
omg enemy team gets amumu and blitz gg Kappa

pls report firstpick no bannerino buritzucranku y amumu
at least they didn't get shen ehehehehehehehehehehuehueeuhheue
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan
DAMN that OddOne just went godmode. Also fuck the regi haters
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
Indeed.

Regi did pretty good against Dig. Hope he can do good against C9 tomorrow.
OzzyOzrock
5,185 posts
Joined August 2010
OzzyOzrock


most intense aram game i've ever been in

just back and forth over and over so many kills

pretty much every game of aram
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1



Look's like they gonna make another skin based on fan art , void fizz is awsome :)
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192


not gonna lie i nearly cried

regi <3
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
wtf 2 wukongs?
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel

Kanye West wrote:

wtf 2 gragas?
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
fuk u stop ruining this special moment
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
Welp.

TSM Yellowstar.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
The hell was wrong with TSM this game. It's like they were on drugs.

Xpecial's Thresh culmination play hella cracked me up, I hope someone makes a gif of that.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1
Honestly i am getting tired of watching the lcs atm it's the same shit over and over again >:(
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
remember kids, always ban khazix
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf

SoG Tava wrote:

Honestly i am getting tired of watching the lcs atm it's the same shit over and over again >:(
Not just LCS it's the same for every competitive league tourny ever with a few off picks here and there. Champion variety is not something that will ever be a thing in this game as long as they keep the same balance philosophy.

It has been better this season though.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West

TKiller wrote:

The hell was wrong with TSM this game. It's like they were on drugs.

Xpecial's Thresh culmination play hella cracked me up, I hope someone makes a gif of that.
He went full yellowstar hahah

Also yes I agree about the lcs games being boring. I hate this meta where top lane is an unkillable farmfest and the whole game depends on mid and jungle. Honestly riot should buff ad carry items so they can be more than just tower killers and not get oneshot by an unkillable shyvana. The only reason ranged ad is even played anymore is to kill towers. It's actually more efficient to play double bruiser or aggressive support + bruiser bot lane if you don't take into consideration the lack of tower pushing power.

One of the reasons why dota doesn't have a stale metagame is because carries are actually carries instead of glorified cannon minions
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TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
To be fair, an unattended adc still wrecks everyone pretty fast the closer it gets to lategame and an unkillable Shyvanna oneshot is not always a thing.

Ziggs is an interesting substitute to an adc bot lane by the way. He can damage towers really well with his passive while being just as much of a lane bully as mid lane and bringing that obnoxious poke to sieges. Building chalice bot lane doesn't add nearly as much trading potential as it does mid tho.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
Witch Mercy
474 posts
Joined August 2011
Witch Mercy
Silver 2.
Almost there to Gold~ ;w;
BrokenArrow
2,237 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
Gold 2, just a bit more D:
My goal for this season was actually to get out of Silver but I might as well reach higher Platinum at this rate
Also Bjergsen answered a question I asked him in Twitch chat today, life complete.
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan
Gold IV \:D/ fuck yeah I want plat
La Volpe
434 posts
Joined April 2013
La Volpe

Fun game i did with my friends, everytime I killed someone the enemy team would spam "Deleted" lmao.
Sapphiire_old_1
1,301 posts
Joined July 2013
Sapphiire_old_1


lol'd
those
3,135 posts
Joined November 2010
those


I always knew this was how she was meant to be played!
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan
Why all the hate towards Fiora? Just played a game with a Plat III Fiora mid boosting a scrublord with 40% ranked winrate that deserved Bronze V, she proceeded to win lane and carried the game. What are her flaws despite having no escapes? She has a fuckton of dmg, can out-duel anyone except of jax I think, and the only way to counter her ult is Thornmail which you won't be getting in an assassin anyway. She also holds a steady 54% winrate in Diamond.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=al ... ue=diamond
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Jordan wrote:

Why all the hate towards Fiora?
I've faced a lot of Fiora players that are awful at timing her parry. That's the first thing that comes to mind.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
Parry is a pretty minor part of Fiora in common matchups tbh. Like, block Parrley or Jax's third/empowered attack or Nasus' q and stuff like that once in a while and just spam it in most situations.

You're not even supposed to max it unless you're in a matchup your opponent relies on those specific autoattacks to get your hp down.

Fiora has no real throwback build, it's either full damage or nothing.

She doesn't have a good way of incorporating cdr into her build aside from black cleaver, meaning you need even more damage to be meaningful between gapcloser+steroid cooldown windows.

She doesn't have a reliable kiting ability (need to hit something before the movement speed increases) along with having no hard escape while being a melee burst fighter (???)

And even her ultimate can sometimes be used to reposition her in enemy team's favor.




She's almost in the same place as Poppy with some tweaks. She relies on items while having no reliable laning phase. Except Fiora's laning is a bit less terrible with no big items and Poppy is more durable lategame even though they both have only active durability.

I like Fiora and I wouldn't like seeing her changed to be honest, but I wouldn't expect to win lane with her unless I am against someone who sucks dicks on daily basis for non-sexual orientation reasons or I get in weird 2v2 situations.
Hyroo
35 posts
Joined April 2013
Hyroo
Regardless of how much we can all disagree, we can agree on one thing. We all hate Teemo.
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan

TKiller wrote:

Parry is a pretty minor part of Fiora in common matchups tbh. Like, block Parrley or Jax's third/empowered attack or Nasus' q and stuff like that once in a while and just spam it in most situations.

You're not even supposed to max it unless you're in a matchup your opponent relies on those specific autoattacks to get your hp down.

Fiora has no real throwback build, it's either full damage or nothing.

She doesn't have a good way of incorporating cdr into her build aside from black cleaver, meaning you need even more damage to be meaningful between gapcloser+steroid cooldown windows.

She doesn't have a reliable kiting ability (need to hit something before the movement speed increases) along with having no hard escape while being a melee burst fighter (???)

And even her ultimate can sometimes be used to reposition her in enemy team's favor.




She's almost in the same place as Poppy with some tweaks. She relies on items while having no reliable laning phase. Except Fiora's laning is a bit less terrible with no big items and Poppy is more durable lategame even though they both have only active durability.

I like Fiora and I wouldn't like seeing her changed to be honest, but I wouldn't expect to win lane with her unless I am against someone who sucks dicks on daily basis for non-sexual orientation reasons or I get in weird 2v2 situations.
How do you explain her high winrate tho... I had no way to win my lane too, I was talon and she would always win trades and my harassment (W) ended up with her jumping on me and doing a fuckton of dmg from lvl 4 already. My jungler ganks also failed :/ she eventually ended up getting a kill on me and other kills from roaming
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Hyroo wrote:

Regardless of how much we can all disagree, we can agree on one thing. We all hate Teemo.
I lold

TKiller wrote:

Parry is a pretty minor part of Fiora in common matchups tbh.

TKiller wrote:

You're not even supposed to max it
Don't have to make it to be effective.
Maybe that's just because Gangplank's my favourite champion (where my damage comes from my Q)... Sorry for the confusion then. I always thought it was big anyway. =/
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

Jordan wrote:

How do you explain her high winrate tho... I had no way to win my lane too, I was talon and she would always win trades and my harassment (W) ended up with her jumping on me and doing a fuckton of dmg from lvl 4 already. My jungler ganks also failed :/ she eventually ended up getting a kill on me and other kills from roaming
Her win rates come from low popularity resulting in slightly higher percent of pickers who know how to dodge the dicks flying in the direction of your mouth.

Talon's skillset sucks against her, okay, but that just means that you don't trade with her pre 6 and farm with your raking blades and only harras from max range of W quickly backing off. You can fight her longer is she loses Q or E due to slow being effective now, but she won't have reason to do so if you play safe. After 6 you can get much more significant damage on her during silence but still not likely to win 1v1 unless you succeeded in max range harrasing without running out of mana somehow and she didn't back.

Thing is, Talon kinda sucks against point and clicks or jumpers and Fiora is both.
Ceph23
687 posts
Joined September 2013
Ceph23
You have to wonder..... Where the hell did Irelia go?
I remeber days where people would go "nerf Irelia!" on a regular basis. Now people go "who dat?".
I miss this woman.
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Ceph23 wrote:

I remeber days where people would go "nerf Irelia!"
I still hear people say that... but why?
I really like her but I can't kill people with her in lane so I gave up on her...
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
I sill think Irelia is a decent pick. She has a lot of issues, but those probably won't ever be fixed until the bruiser rehaul.
She does well against some matchups but in the long run people would rather just spam Renekton and Shyvana who do well against almost every matchup.
La Volpe
434 posts
Joined April 2013
La Volpe

Justykanna wrote:

Ceph23 wrote:

I remeber days where people would go "nerf Irelia!"
I still hear people say that... but why?
I really like her but I can't kill people with her in lane so I gave up on her...
Because she would get randomly nerfed in previous patches, Riot were just nerfing Irelia for the sake of it rather then dealing with the real issues.
Justykanna
1,090 posts
Joined April 2011
Justykanna

Vulf wrote:

She does well against some matchups but in the long run people would rather just spam Renekton and Shyvana who do well against almost every matchup.
After spamming Renekton last season, nothing worked out for me so I gave up on trying to do well with him. D= I'd take Irelia over him any day.

La Volpe wrote:

Because she would get randomly nerfed in previous patches, Riot were just nerfing Irelia for the sake of it rather then dealing with the real issues.
I must've not been paying attention to the patch notes... I don't remember much mention of her since I bought using her.
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
Ryze v2?

Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Speaking of Renekton I'm quite surprised on how long he has went without any nerfs. Not necessarily saying he is over powered, but he does a lot of things Riot hates which is great sustain at pretty much no cost, builds tanky and does decent damage all while being relatively safe in lane.

They keep nerfing him on PBE, but they get reverted the next patch. I assume they don't have a clue on what to do with him. LOL
f i z i k
154 posts
Joined January 2013
f i z i k

Justykanna wrote:

Vulf wrote:

She does well against some matchups but in the long run people would rather just spam Renekton and Shyvana who do well against almost every matchup.
After spamming Renekton last season, nothing worked out for me so I gave up on trying to do well with him. D= I'd take Irelia over him any day.

La Volpe wrote:

Because she would get randomly nerfed in previous patches, Riot were just nerfing Irelia for the sake of it rather then dealing with the real issues.
I must've not been paying attention to the patch notes... I don't remember much mention of her since I bought using her.
The main point of "nerf irelia" was back in season 2 and it just sticked as a meme. You see the healing you get when W is active? That used to be normal healing when autohitting even with W not active,so basically her sustain got halved. She got nerfed to the ground once before bringing back a bit by buffing base AD and base regen. Man I got so mad back then when I mained Irelia and they did that,I was such a fool lol she was just blatantly overpowered at one point :D
Blaziken
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Joined June 2011
Blaziken
Irelia is the only top laner I have been playing recently, solely because I fuckin' hate facing Olaf tops and I can beat Olaf by backpeddling and mashing the R key.
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Vulf wrote:

Speaking of Renekton I'm quite surprised on how long he has went without any nerfs. Not necessarily saying he is over powered, but he does a lot of things Riot hates which is great sustain at pretty much no cost, builds tanky and does decent damage all while being relatively safe in lane.

They keep nerfing him on PBE, but they get reverted the next patch. I assume they don't have a clue on what to do with him. LOL
Well, every Renekton I've faced in the top lane I pretty much destroyed him playing Riven. But it might be because I main Riven for a long time, or I just faced terrible Renektons.
I however have seen Renektons in my team who did extremely well in their lane and snowballed super hard, carrying the game.
TKiller
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TKiller

P r o m i s e s wrote:

Vulf wrote:

Speaking of Renekton I'm quite surprised on how long he has went without any nerfs. Not necessarily saying he is over powered, but he does a lot of things Riot hates which is great sustain at pretty much no cost, builds tanky and does decent damage all while being relatively safe in lane.

They keep nerfing him on PBE, but they get reverted the next patch. I assume they don't have a clue on what to do with him. LOL
Well, every Renekton I've faced in the top lane I pretty much destroyed him playing Riven. But it might be because I main Riven for a long time, or I just faced terrible Renektons.
I however have seen Renektons in my team who did extremely well in their lane and snowballed super hard, carrying the game.
They were bad at Renekton. He had everything to shut Riven down long before and now after all the nerfs to Riven he simply decimates her. Doesn't even matter which build path you go, all the items you can buy and build towards on Renekton during laning are good against Riven as well as his skillset.
Jordan
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Joined December 2010
Jordan
wtf with rivens destroying rene LOL is this bronze. Renekton shits on riven, even the worst rene world vs best riven world will win. Your only hope as riven is to get successful ganks early game..
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Definitely a very bad renekton.
Renekton doesn't just lose lane easily. It's possible but often times he will go even when he falls behind. Your best bet is to run stuff like Shyvanna, Mundo, and even Warwick (if you play the early game correctly) that can ignore his harass and outscale him when it comes to late game. I really can't think of anything that outright destroys Renekton except maybe Jax if he gets an early lead. At least Shyvana and Mundo have their niche counters.
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TKiller wrote:

They were bad at Renekton. He had everything to shut Riven down long before and now after all the nerfs to Riven he simply decimates her. Doesn't even matter which build path you go, all the items you can buy and build towards on Renekton during laning are good against Riven as well as his skillset.
Those people seem to me like players that take Renekton just because he counters her, and late game he becomes tanky as hell but don't know how to play him. It's gold/silver people I'm playing against, and I don't see why they would do such a thing in that elo.
Although everytime I do lane against him I get an early gank from my jungler which mostly works out successfull.

Vulf wrote:

Definitely a very bad renekton.
Yeah, probably. I got stomped by one today anyway, lol.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
That's actually really common in gold. People there don't understand that you still need to know how to play the champion for the counter to work for some reason. For example: Picking Renekton into Riven isn't a free win for Renekton if you don't know how to play the champion to begin with.

Talking about this reminded me of something someone back in season one told me. "I pick OP champ and you pick Urgot?". I don't remember what the matchup was, but this guy seemed very confused that he lost against my urgot when it was very clear he didn't know what he was doing at all.
OzzyOzrock
5,185 posts
Joined August 2010
OzzyOzrock
Speaking of Irelia, apparently the PBE notes have a buff planned, where her w (hiten style) has no mana costs. oooOOOooo

But it's only so they can nerf her later on ofc.
Vulf
17 posts
Joined November 2009
Vulf
Trist, Kog and Irelia got changed that way. Kayle has no mana cost on her ult from the last live patch.
At this rate it seems they want to do away with mana or make it irrelevant after a certain point. Which I find retarded.

Most stuff that has severe mana cost like actual dota tier mana cost are in line for pretty much a complete rework (Poppy, Warwick). Other champs mana cost are definitely manageable when compared to the previous mentioned. Mana based champs aren't the problem it's the non resource champs that have no tradeoff for being resourceless.
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