1. Hard (3.11 stars, 376 notes)
2. Insane (3.96 stars, 596 notes)
3. Kibbleru's Easy (1.72 stars, 168 notes)
4. Normal (1.93 stars, 210 notes)

Background: 加應子๑
Video encoded by -Neipezi || Hitsound help by Teru21

Fenarth wrote:

I love this song! The only ranked one isnt the rin version though

Insane

00:51:400
00:51:500 - Add circles to both of these. Pause is awkward, it goes 1,2 into 1-7 fixed

you already did this at 02:48:000 where it goes 1-4 into 1-7

00:52:400 - This was always my favorite part of the song, I was sad it wasn't mapped when I played through it the first time. Leaving it blank for the other diffs is fine but maybe map it for just insane? maybe hard to
01:56:400 - ^^^

the only reason I didn't map this part was because there needed to be a break somewhere in the song. However I see what you mean, and maybe I can change the breaks around and map that part
Maybe use silent slider sounds? I never really cared for whistles/scratchy sounds esp when sliders are fast

1. make sure your background is 16:9 or 4:3 ratio, at best 1366*768px | 1024*768px
2. there is no storyboard so I think you can delete the osb. file from the folder
3. btw, you mention E/N/H in your describtion, but there are N/H/I diffs? .o.

1. decrease hitsound volume, it's far too loud T__T
2. please check AIMod for unsnapped objects
3. AR4 instead of AR5?
4. I'd suggest increasig DS to 1.3 or 1.4, some overlaps just don't look that good (to me at least)
   examples

   
5. 00:19:800 (4) - hmmh, that's too hard for Normal diff imo, use two reverse arrows at max
   (cause beginner players can't read the map that fast)
   there are some more of them, example: 00:36:200 (1) - .. nooope. really, it's too hard x:
6. 00:33:800 (3) - hmh, maybe rework the shape a bit
   like this

   
   since the previous objects indicates a different movement tho, you might want to bend it in the other direction (down)?
7. 00:35:400 (5) - make sure the red anchor is on the red tick
   the same goes for every other slider like this! >o<
8. 00:37:800 (1) - might be a bit too short, when a beginner player starts to spin, the spinner might be already gone I think. xD
9. 00:39:400 (1,2) - use the same shape for them (copypaste one and rotate)
10. 00:41:600 (5) - keep DS consistent!
    I just checked DS overall: it's better to not break DS in Easy/Normal, it's just too confusing for beginners
11. 00:43:400 (4) - you might wanna pay attention to this not overlapping with other objects like 00:45:000 (6).
    or 6 with 00:45:800 (1), it's not lookin that good. >:
    same goes for some other parts, example: 01:09:800 (1,2) and 01:10:600 (5,6)
12. 00:45:800 (1,2) - create better symmetry by moving 2 more to the right
13. 01:29:400 (4,5) - stack correctly if you keep them, but cause of 4.. well, see above, reverse arrows ~
14. 01:30:600 (1,2,3) - use same shape for 1+3
15. 01:46:600 (1,2) - think of some nice pattern here?
16. 01:50:500 (3) - remove, too hard for Normal (stick to white/red ticks)
17. 02:35:800 (6,1) - I think the intended pattern here doesn't work, you've gotta keep DS, maybe you can think of something different?
18. 02:41:800 (6) - match with 1+2
    and match 02:45:000 (5) with next 1

1. same about hitsound volume
2. decrease AR by at least 1 (to AR7), I'd even prefer AR6 tho
   you'll get a nicer overall spread that way
3. check AIMod for unsnapped objects!

   
4. I'd prefer a different DS here as well, cause of the same overlap stuff as in Normal
   but it might be better to decrease it here to ~1.6, you'll get "clear" overlaps like that
   I mean overlaps that look intentional instead of overlaps that look like they are there cause of messy mapping
5. in general you might want to think of mapping a bit more acuurate
   example: 01:06:607 (1,2,3)
   screen / comparison how it is - how it looks "more accurate"

   
   
   you should check you diff for things like that

1. check timing point!

screen

Squirrel wrote:

Hi, M4M here! [=

[General]

1. make sure your background is 16:9 or 4:3 ratio, at best 1366*768px | 1024*768px will look into this
2. there is no storyboard so I think you can delete the osb. file from the folder
3. btw, you mention E/N/H in your describtion, but there are N/H/I diffs? .o.

[Normal]

1. decrease hitsound volume, it's far too loud T__T fixed, 70% volume now
2. please check AIMod for unsnapped objects fixed
3. AR4 instead of AR5? fixed
4. I'd suggest increasig DS to 1.3 or 1.4, some overlaps just don't look that good (to me at least)
   examples

   
   fixed
5. 00:19:800 (4) - hmmh, that's too hard for Normal diff imo, use two reverse arrows at max adjusted distance
   (cause beginner players can't read the map that fast)
   there are some more of them, example: 00:36:200 (1) - .. nooope. really, it's too hard x:
6. 00:33:800 (3) - hmh, maybe rework the shape a bit
   like this

   
   since the previous objects indicates a different movement tho, you might want to bend it in the other direction (down)? fixed, it points up to match vocal though
7. 00:35:400 (5) - make sure the red anchor is on the red tick
   the same goes for every other slider like this! >o< fixed
8. 00:37:800 (1) - might be a bit too short, when a beginner player starts to spin, the spinner might be already gone I think. xD fixed
9. 00:39:400 (1,2) - use the same shape for them (copypaste one and rotate) fixed
10. 00:41:600 (5) - keep DS consistent! fixed
    I just checked DS overall: it's better to not break DS in Easy/Normal, it's just too confusing for beginners fixed
11. 00:43:400 (4) - you might wanna pay attention to this not overlapping with other objects like 00:45:000 (6).
    or 6 with 00:45:800 (1), it's not lookin that good. >: fixed
    same goes for some other parts, example: 01:09:800 (1,2) and 01:10:600 (5,6)
12. 00:45:800 (1,2) - create better symmetry by moving 2 more to the right fixed
13. 01:29:400 (4,5) - stack correctly if you keep them, but cause of 4.. well, see above, reverse arrows ~ fixed
14. 01:30:600 (1,2,3) - use same shape for 1+3 fixed
15. 01:46:600 (1,2) - think of some nice pattern here? sort of fixed
16. 01:50:500 (3) - remove, too hard for Normal (stick to white/red ticks) fixed
17. 02:35:800 (6,1) - I think the intended pattern here doesn't work, you've gotta keep DS, maybe you can think of something different? fixed
18. 02:41:800 (6) - match with 1+2
    and match 02:45:000 (5) with next 1 fixed

[Hard]

1. same about hitsound volume
2. decrease AR by at least 1 (to AR7), I'd even prefer AR6 tho
   you'll get a nicer overall spread that way fixed, AR7 now
3. check AIMod for unsnapped objects!

   
   idk how this happened, but it will take a while to fix xD
4. I'd prefer a different DS here as well, cause of the same overlap stuff as in Normal
   but it might be better to decrease it here to ~1.6, you'll get "clear" overlaps like that fixed, 1.6x distance snapping
   I mean overlaps that look intentional instead of overlaps that look like they are there cause of messy mapping
5. in general you might want to think of mapping a bit more acuurate
   example: 01:06:607 (1,2,3)
   screen / comparison how it is - how it looks "more accurate"

   
   
   you should check you diff for things like that

it's more general stuff, but I think more useful than tellin you to put this here and that there and make the shape like whatever....
-> learning by doing! >w<

[Insane]
basically it's the same as in Hard, plus

1. check timing point!

well, good luck with this, the song is nice. <3 (and usually I dislike vocaloid stuff sooo much. <__<)
oh, BTW, the vocaloids actually don't go in the title! you can look that up in the General Ranking Criteria!

screen

anyway,
*squee*

Narcissu wrote:

SPOILER

ahh …… can you pass your insane diff ? i retry 3 time ~~ haha, I usually mess up with the streams. I can pass in around 1 in 4 times

your map don't need mod now , i give you some suggestions

adjusting volume , not 100 % all time

distance less than 1.0 in stream I increase distance between notes in stream to make it harder, maybe I will reduce distance in some streams

SV 0.75 & 1.5 too severe , use with caution I think I use 1.5 for only small repeat sliders

i think tick rate 1 is ok

BG : 1024*768 or 1366*768 changed BG dimensions to 1366*768 and made extension png instead of jpg current dimension is very close to 16:9 and only off by a little, will adjust without resizing image and avoid reducing quality

slider need muting

aviod samll overlap like 00:13:400 (4,3) - , separate there , pay attention to neatly and beautiful layout

Atrue wrote:

Hmm.. 1. When I'm opening the osz file, I found there is no .osu file in it and only mp3&bg......... So maybe you should re-submit it?
2.中文真行么？

NurfIrelia wrote:

00:24:400 - remove repeat, maybe stack instead fixed

00:41:000 - remove one slider and keep the other fixed

01:09:800 - this part is weird and looks weird, change it maybe? will look into this

01:15:600 - remove repeat like before fixed

01:53:400 - shorten the repeat fixed

02:38:400 (6) - make it a circle instead fixed

just changes to make normal map a bit easier since i find it more hard than normal

Alarido wrote:

M4M from The Queue of Everlasting Mutual Help

(See the requesting post)

[General]
* I'll mod these diffs now. As soon as Easy come here, feel free to call me for modding the Easy diff later. (Easy became mandatory in this mapset due to reasons I'll explain at [Normal]. ok, thanks

[Normal]
* I'd noticed some overlapping notes/sliders along the diff: for example: 00:21:000 (2,4) {not so great issue, but it can be a bit confusing}, 00:45:800 (1,3) {this potentially hides the reverse arrow}, 01:10:600 (3,1), etc. hm I think this is fine
00:19:800 (4) - Surely, the 1/4 repeating sliders are Potentially confusing for Normal players. It (and some things more) makes this diff feels more a lighter Hard (or a Hard-) than a standard Normal. Perhaps you may name this diff [Normal+] without changing any pattern, but it can mislead the difficulty spread in the mapset (unless you map an [Easy] based on 1/1 and 1/2 beats and medium sliders and a [Beginner] based on 1/1 notes with longer sliders).
00:36:200 (1) - ^ fixed, slider now 1/2
00:49:000 (1,2) - Would be great if you make them more alike each other... as this image shows >>> http://puu.sh/6HHEB.jpg <<< and remember to set 00:49:800 (2) - to x:261 y:190 (disable Grid Snap while doing this) to make its head stack with 00:48:200 (5) ^_^ fixed
♥ 01:17:400 (1,2) - Good flow (:
01:52:600 (4,1,2,1) - 1/4 multi-repeating sliders, several mutual overlaps... it gives some bad flow too. I dunno how solve this exactly, but at least you could put the notes on screen, one after other, without overlaps.
02:21:000 (2) - Too near from latter >< Suggestion: move to x:256 y:128. fixed position of two last sliders, should flow better now

[Hard]
* Spacing feels quite irregular here... well, spacing for Hards/Insanes don't need be rigid, but would be great if kept at least intuitive on gameplay. will see if I can do anything about this
* Noticed some potentially hidden notes along the diff, like 00:31:000 (5) under 00:30:200 (3), 00:41:400 (2) under 00:41:800 (4), 00:44:600 (5) under 00:43:400 (3), 01:32:600 (2) under 01:31:800 (4), 02:38:200 (2) under 02:37:400 (6) and so on... Would be great if you could change/improve these. fixed the most severe ones, will see if the others need fixing later
* Noticed ugly overlaps at 01:31:000 (2,4) - angled sliders and changed spacing a little
00:48:800 (8,2) - Stack properly or keep them apart: better appearance and readability. stacked
♥ 01:09:800 (1,2,3,4,5) - Nice pattern ^^
01:30:400 (6) - Stack properly with 01:31:000 (2)'s head: looks and plays better (: stacked
01:35:800 (6) - Stack properly with 01:35:000 (4)'s head, same reason.stacked
01:36:200 (8,1) - Nitpicking, but feels better if (8)'s tail stacks perfectly with (1)'s head. stacked
01:40:000 (8,2) - Stack properly or keep them apart, like 00:48:800 (8,2) stacked
02:32:800 (8,2) - ^stacked
02:41:800 (7,1) - Nitpicking, but feels better if (7)'s tail stacks perfectly with (1)'s head.stacked
02:45:600 (8,2) - The same at 00:48:800 (8,2), with same reason. stacked

[Insane]
* In general, flow and rhythms feels good (; as in other diffs too. :)
01:30:200 (2) - These type of sliders are no longer accepted for ranking (see Ranking Criteria). Instead, you can make a slowdown with green lines to fit the need for a slower slider.

oh wow, that's really a shame because this slider fits perfectly with the vocal at this point ;_____; maybe I'll increase velocity and have the slider wiggle around or something like that

That's all ^^

I'm Very thankful for m4m, and I hope the mod helps you (:

Att.

Kawaiwkyik wrote:

M4M

need more work in hard/insane
it's too many so maybe i can't mark each problem
e.g. need add nc if you change the sv , it can more easier to read fixed
and many meaningless changing speed (00:16:200 - ~ 00:26:600 - ) hm I use speed changes for different part of vocal, maybe it is inconsistent, I will take a look at it

In normal, it look like a hard
e.g. 00:36:200 (1) - can use 1/1 , just like 00:37:000 (2) - yes, normal being hard is a problem. I need to fix this, maybe I will reduce the amount of repeat sliders
In conclusion , this is too difficult for the normal

bad english and bad mod , sorry ;_;
hope helpful
no kd if you don't like this mod

Fourtune wrote:

Background image should be 16:9 ratio, you should crop out part of your image. You have sliderslide, tick and whistle but no sound, ranking criteria says you should have 0-byte sound files for no sounds. I think you should have some more tags as well. I will crop the image later, thanks for reminding me~ as for sound files, I should take a look into that
[Normal]
Not sure why song is still 4 stars. Perhaps because there are lots of parts like this 00:32:600 (1,2) hmm maybe
00:49:800 (2) - ctrl+g fixed
01:28:200 (2) - looks weird, try bezier ] fixed
instead
02:45:000 (4) - I think this will feel better if you have it curve upwards or make it a curve like 00:17:800 (3)yep

95648 wrote:

GOOD MAP！

NORMAL

00:37:000 (2) - you can move (2) like this ---> http://holland.pk/1zKy fixed

Hard

00:19:000 (3) - you can move (3) like this ---> http://holland.pk/1zLN fixed

how to do it :
1: make a slider : http://holland.pk/1zLT

2:click slider's end : http://holland.pk/1zLd

3:click slider's begin : http://holland.pk/1zLe

4:finish!! http://holland.pk/1zLg
thanks for the tip! I will remember this in the future~
hope it is useful
ps: MY english is bad orz