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Sakura
The Sakura legacy of vote count derping lives on...

CalignoBot (2) - pieguy1372, rEdo
DakeDekaane (1) - sephibro
NoHitter (1) - Raging Bull

Not Voting - DakeDekaane, CalignoBot, NoHitter, Tsukasa

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Countdown to deadline
Amianki
So yeah, I ended up forgetting about the game a while back until I got poked, but I lost internet for a couple days and couldn't access anything out of IRC and Skype.

Hold on while I read shit.
Amianki
Vote: rEdo
Amianki
If you guys want to lynch a blue mafia instead, go for NoHitter.
Amianki
Okay, hold the fuck on.

Quick reread of D2 again makes me like this a lot more:

Unvote: rEdo
Vote: NoHitter

I'm willing to put rEdo on the backburner for the moment to get this obvscum gone, then readdress it later when the game is in better focus. NoHitter being blue scum is preferable, but I'm willing to accept him being red scum as well if it comes down to it.
pieguyn
hey Caligno why do you think scum shot CTs

and why NH
NoHitter
@Caligno: Can you explain your reasoning?
Also, something urgent came up and I need to V/LA until Tuesday (I hope I'll be ok by then)
rEdo

Raging Bull wrote:

Why vote calingo, redo and pieguy?
Simply wanted to make him talk a bit. I didn't like how he voted me back with no back-up, though >:(
Raging Bull
unvote

For now. Still fos on him.

rEdo wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Why vote calingo, redo and pieguy?
Simply wanted to make him talk a bit. I didn't like how he voted me back with no back-up, though >:(
But he unvoted to vote for nh
Topic Starter
Sakura
Sephibro and DakeDekaane have been prodded

Also if activity remains this low im going to move the deadline down!
DakeDekaane
You don't vote a person who hasn't posted in a week waiting for a reaction/he popping out immediately, you ask to prod them.
Amianki

NoHitter wrote:

@Caligno: Can you explain your reasoning?
Also, something urgent came up and I need to V/LA until Tuesday (I hope I'll be ok by then)
I could go into this big post about it, but it basically comes down to how you're playing this game. You're trying really hard not to become a target to pretty much anyone. I know you're smart enough to figure out the best strategy for this type of game for scum... which is to not stand out and become a mostly null-read in everyone's eyes. This type of play is pretty much a direct summary of your play.

My reads will update accordingly depending on what you flip, but I fully expect you to flip blue scum.
Amianki

rEdo wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Why vote calingo, redo and pieguy?
Simply wanted to make him talk a bit. I didn't like how he voted me back with no back-up, though >:(
Because until I read back through D2 a second time, you were standing out really hard as farto's most likely partner.
pieguyn
farto and rEdo are bros all the time just saying

if there's anything specific you have while keeping this in mind I'm interested in knowing plz
pieguyn

CTs-Th wrote:

Oh hi again. Nice to see you all. XD
As you know, I was nightkilled last night. I guess they chose me because I'm a newbie, and that's the way they can get rid of a vote to them. (Since I just follow somebody's vote. XD)
And ugh, CalignoBot looked annoying lately. I suspect that he'd be a Fire Scum. (Sorry for offensive, but yeah you did.)
Tsukasa looks so town IMO. I trusted that rEdo is town, considered his double vote can take some scum out. (And even help us lynch farto) But if he harms town, we can take him out later.
NoHitter, Dake, Sephi and RB? I didn't focus much on them.
So here's my opinion: (names may stack, don't mind it, it just a possibility. :P)
Town (I trusted): pieguy, Tsukasa, Sephibro, rEdo, maybe... Dake?
Fire scum (possible): CalignoBot, Tsukasa, and everybody else who didn't vote farto in D2.
Ice scum (possible): NoHitter, rEdo, and somebody who voted farto in D2. <<< Not Caligno for sure.
Finally, I'm watching you...
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

farto and rEdo are bros all the time just saying

if there's anything specific you have while keeping this in mind I'm interested in knowing plz
I tend to completely disregard all meta that I don't have significant personal experience in, so this doesn't change shit for me.
Raging Bull
Im not a read for cts thanks. I feel the love
DakeDekaane
cuz u bully :(

That makes me ISO NH
aaaaa
rEdo

pieguy1372 wrote:

CTs-Th wrote:

Oh hi again. Nice to see you all. XD
As you know, I was nightkilled last night. I guess they chose me because I'm a newbie, and that's the way they can get rid of a vote to them. (Since I just follow somebody's vote. XD)
And ugh, CalignoBot looked annoying lately. I suspect that he'd be a Fire Scum. (Sorry for offensive, but yeah you did.)
Tsukasa looks so town IMO. I trusted that rEdo is town, considered his double vote can take some scum out. (And even help us lynch farto) But if he harms town, we can take him out later.
NoHitter, Dake, Sephi and RB? I didn't focus much on them.
So here's my opinion: (names may stack, don't mind it, it just a possibility. :P)
Town (I trusted): pieguy, Tsukasa, Sephibro, rEdo, maybe... Dake?
Fire scum (possible): CalignoBot, Tsukasa, and everybody else who didn't vote farto in D2.
Ice scum (possible): NoHitter, rEdo, and somebody who voted farto in D2. <<< Not Caligno for sure.
Finally, I'm watching you...
wait what
Sephibro
I made a huge post this morning, pressed Post and suddenly


now i want to die irl

I'll try to write something like that again when i get home in ~5 hours - please wait for me


in the meantime i'll just rewrite this part

Sakura wrote:

General Rules:
- Do not quote anything from the PMs given to you by the mod.
- Do not communicate outside of this thread unless your role PM allows you to.
- Dead players cannot post, but may make a bah post without revealing any game content in the following day phase.
it feels strange something like that to be allowed, but I don't think pieguy's post is breaking the rules, so probably CTs-Th can communicate by pm with another player after his death and this player is allowed to share it on the topic
Amianki
Current reads because I feel like it:

Town: pieguy1372, DakeDekaane
Fire Scum: rEdo
Ice Scum: Sephibro, Tsukasa
Either Scum: NoHitter, Raging Bull

These are what I feel are most likely for each person.

BTW: After some more thinking, I have come to the conclusion that it's town's best interests in general that we lynch ice scum over fire scum. I see virtually no advantages to the opposite.

RE: CTs: I'm assuming it's genuine until it's proven not to be.
Raging Bull
How is it possible you listed 3 scum already and then you list NH and I as potential scum?
Amianki
...They're reads.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Explorer: Sir, there is certainly a lack of balance between the cold and heat today...

Mayor: Yes indeed

Explorer: What could this mean sir.

Mayor: Probably that one team is losing...


CalignoBot (2) - pieguy1372, rEdo
NoHitter (1) - CalignoBot
DakeDekaane (1) - sephibro

Not Voting - DakeDekaane, NoHitter, Tsukasa, Raging Bull

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Countdown till deadline
Amianki
Raging Bull: reads
pieguyn

CalignoBot wrote:

Current reads because I feel like it:

Town: pieguy1372, DakeDekaane
are you kidding me

wow I was right it really was Dake + Caligno

explain these two townreads plz
rEdo
Prod dodge.

Pieguy, how come that you've posted that huge wall of text that apparenly is CTs' work?
pieguyn
CTs originally posted it

and I reposted it
pieguyn
game's p much solved though
Caligno and Dake are ice scum
and then there's only one fire scum left and it's probably Tsukass and if it's not then we can almost certainly figure out who it is
pieguyn
btw you all are free to ask CTs anything

being able to talk with a conftown doesn't happen everyday o/
Sephibro
basically my reads didn't change from the beginning of the day
At this point, i think mafia are probably DakeDekaane, CalignoBot and NoHitter
but i have no idea who's fire and who's ice
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Current reads because I feel like it:

Town: pieguy1372, DakeDekaane
are you kidding me

wow I was right it really was Dake + Caligno

explain these two townreads plz
You're literally only in the town list because of the lack of info on who else is scum yet. You're far from a strong town read in my eyes.

DakeDekaane is there because I really don't see how he can be either.
Amianki
Plus, you not seeing NoHitter as scum is pretty awful. You jump up to #1 ice scum possibility if he's ice scum.
Raging Bull

CalignoBot wrote:

Raging Bull: reads
Why post twice?

Anyways i know they are reads but if you read three scum already, why add even more people you think might be scum?
Raging Bull

pieguy1372 wrote:

btw you all are free to ask CTs anything

being able to talk with a conftown doesn't happen everyday o/

Cts is potentially a tree stump?
Amianki

Raging Bull wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Raging Bull: reads
Why post twice?

Anyways i know they are reads but if you read three scum already, why add even more people you think might be scum?
The second one was actually me telling you to state yours. Your opinions on who is ice/fire will be a huge help.
Amianki
Dake is like obvtown. I don't understand why people are thinking he's scum.
pieguyn

CalignoBot wrote:

Dake is like obvtown. I don't understand why people are thinking he's scum.
no this isn't gonna cut it

why is Dake apparently "obvtown"

you're scum who's BS'ing reads aren't you
pieguyn

CTs-Th wrote:

I'm here again, glad to see you guys freaks out. :)
I have to admit that I didn't focus on RB much this game. I didn't even mention him once.

I got a very little information, but with collaboration with pieguy. I can think of something.

Okay, first of all. Let's take a look at this one: p/2740927/
It was posted by Caligno, right? He puts every body in the table as he reads, except him. He didn't puts himself in it. So I just wanna ask you: "Where are you in that table?"
FoS: CalignoBot

Second, here's my read: (and again, name may stack because it's a possibility.)
Town: pieguy, rEdo, RB, Sephi, Dake?, and... Tsukasa? (Absent so long...)
Fire Scum: rEdo, RB (not sure), NoHitter, Dake?, and even CalignoBot is possible. +who didn't vote farto.
Ice Scum: Caligno (#1 suspect.), NoHitter (Considered CB's post.), Dake here too, and... who vote farto.
(^^^ I'm also confused myself.)

One more thing I want you guys to consider: I noticed that CB barely mention Dake, or did he avoided mentioning him? Now I just think that "Dake-rEdo scum buddies 2013" is replaced with "Dake-Caligno scum buddies 2013" is better. ^ ^
FoS: Dake <<< In fact I've already push him on D1.

Finally, sorry for long post. I can't post frequently because I'm not the one who post this. pieguy did. So I made this long to get several topic. You can ask me, but don't expected much to get answer. (I didn't get any extra information from dying. XD) And correct me if I'm worng too.

Bye now, I'm watching you...
DakeDekaane
Are we sharing reads? I should share reads too.

My townreads are in RB and Sephibro. I can't see RB as scum and Sephi hasn't made anything that make him look scummy besides going with the flow and suspecting me.

Everyone else is possible scum. This two guys are less likely to be scum.
pieguy is the least likely to be scum, why? If this ability is of his, is way too OP for scum imo. But if this is CTs' ability, pieguy is more likely to be scum :P
rEdo because maybe.

The rest has a high chance of being scum, after re-re-reading the thread, I'm ok with lynching any of these guys.
NH, Caligno and Tsukasa.

Me ofc is town, whoever that puts a vote on me if a wagon starts is likely scum.

And yes, I also want to know why I'm obvtown Caligno.
Sephibro

DakeDekaane wrote:

Me ofc is town, whoever that puts a vote on me if a wagon starts is likely scum.

And yes, I also want to know why I'm obvtown Caligno.
this looks like a contraddiction to me

btw, i would like rEdo, NoHitter and Raging Bull to share their reads too

@mod: prod NoHitter pls
rEdo

Sephibro wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

Me ofc is town, whoever that puts a vote on me if a wagon starts is likely scum.

And yes, I also want to know why I'm obvtown Caligno.
this looks like a contraddiction to me

btw, i would like rEdo, NoHitter and Raging Bull to share their reads too

@mod: prod NoHitter pls
I will do once I'm not busy with stuff, this week's going to be tough due to school and stuff. However, I am willing to spend an hour on analysis of all this soon. Prod dodge for now Q_Q
Amianki
Why is Dake obvtown? Because he's the only one that is both being firm with their statements in basically every post and not dropping association tells all over the place.

Cts-Th: ...really? What does me not putting myself in my reads list have to do with anything? Your statement about me barely mentioning Dake doesn't really have any weight either. Just ISO me and see how meaningless that is.

There's another very telling thing going on right now... I'll go do an analysis and come back on that.
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Dake is like obvtown. I don't understand why people are thinking he's scum.
no this isn't gonna cut it

why is Dake apparently "obvtown"

you're scum who's BS'ing reads aren't you
Reverse the situation and I literally see the exact same thing. Both seeing NoHitter as apparently town and Dake as scum completely boggles my mind.
pieguyn

CalignoBot wrote:

Why is Dake obvtown? Because he's the only one that is both being firm with their statements in basically every post and not dropping association tells all over the place.
hint: this is a strong as hell associative between you two :>

CalignoBot wrote:

Reverse the situation and I literally see the exact same thing. Both seeing NoHitter as apparently town and Dake as scum completely boggles my mind.
I don't understand this. can you explain further plz
Topic Starter
Sakura

Sephibro wrote:

@mod: prod NoHitter pls
NoHitter is V/LA and so he cant be prodded

CalignoBot (2) - pieguy1372, rEdo
NoHitter (1) - CalignoBot
DakeDekaane (1) - sephibro

Not Voting - DakeDekaane, NoHitter, Tsukasa, Raging Bull

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Countdown until deadline
pieguyn

CalignoBot wrote:

Why is Dake obvtown? Because he's the only one that is both being firm with their statements in basically every post and not dropping association tells all over the place.
actually, can you further elaborate on this? what firm statements has he made? also, why do you think this is necessarily a towntell?
Tsukasa
Ok so I do think my V/LA is up and I can't abuse it anymore

I promise I'll be not lazy to reread the game after my 2 other tests and be more active. Since christmas break
Raging Bull
Town: rEdo, Tsukasa

Null: pieguy, sephibro

Fire Scum: Dake
Ice: NH, Calingo

but nevermind that, vote NH when he gets back.
pieguyn
if you're trying to get people to vote NH then why isn't your vote on NH?
Raging Bull
Feels unfair to vote someone who cant defend themselves due to issues. I did vote for him in the beginning until he went v la
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Why is Dake obvtown? Because he's the only one that is both being firm with their statements in basically every post and not dropping association tells all over the place.
hint: this is a strong as hell associative between you two :>
I want you to seriously consider this question: Do you really believe this?

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Reverse the situation and I literally see the exact same thing. Both seeing NoHitter as apparently town and Dake as scum completely boggles my mind.
I don't understand this. can you explain further plz
That was referencing "you're scum who's BS'ing reads aren't you"

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Why is Dake obvtown? Because he's the only one that is both being firm with their statements in basically every post and not dropping association tells all over the place.
actually, can you further elaborate on this? what firm statements has he made? also, why do you think this is necessarily a towntell?
Okay, let me just post a wall of quotes:

---

DakeDekaane wrote:

Also pieguy, why do you vote farto when he's clearly trying to put an end to RVS as quick as possible, we have plenty of time, but that's not reason to goof around.

DakeDekaane wrote:

^scum pls

Actually, I'd like votes on pieguy.
Unvote
Vote: pieguy


We could basically spend all D1 in RVS without any sign of "ending naturally", better starting discussion as soon as possible, lefting very few spots for scum to play around, don't you think?
I originally got major scumvibes off this post, but that has been virtually negated combined with the rest of his ISO.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Also FoS on rEdo for not sheeping like he usually does.
Incredibly weak, but still clearly unafraid to make his stances known.

DakeDekaane wrote:

So what's the reason of lynching Irre over Cookie? Both are absent (Cookie would be replaced and Irre is V/LA). I can think in both wagons being opportunistic as they're pretty much going over inactive people, it's true this may be lurking but I'm not sure at all.
Basically a firm declaration that the wagons suck.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Just posting I'm alive and waiting for this situation to be cleared, as speedlynching us clearly bad.
Same as above but only with the Cookie wagon.

DakeDekaane wrote:

I'm up to hammer fanderwik, if he's not scum then go for pieguy. Thanks.
I shouldn't have to explain this.

DakeDekaane wrote:

1 kill, looks nice, but I can't relate it atm.
pieguy rushing as always.
Is Caligno even in the game?

Today we are lynching pieguy/rEdo.
This either.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Wait no, you were reading Tsukasa as probably town ( p/2729116/ ) even after "trying to derail" the farto's wagon ( p/2728407/ ), and now you read him as scum, pls.
And now you vote an idle person, at least wait some time and ask prod pls.
piescum pls
Also I didn't post there because the day was ended to fast >.>

idk but if I were townreading rEdo, I might be agreeing with Sephi on that post looking scummy, sadly I'm not townreading him neither was, so, you want to speedlynch the wrong person.
Just more firm stances.

---

The majority of the rest of his posts are either defending himself when he was being attacked and just fluff, which is inherently null.

As for why this is a towntell, I basically already explained it when I explained why NoHitter is obvscum. Mafia's most optimal strategy is to be as null a read in the general populace as possible. If you're going to be playing like the way Dake is, you're going to go in either direction guaranteed. I fully believe even inexperienced scum players would be wary of the opposite scum team enough to subconsciously try to shy away from any chance of being targetted for a kill.

...That means not risking being a possible town leader.
Amianki
Raging Bull you'd prefer your vote to be useless than put someone at L-3?
pieguyn
Dake is scum bc he's being a giant lurkfuck. it's a meta read

NH was null-town but he's closer to null for me atm

i fyou think I'm BS'ing reads then why do you have me in your townpile. scared of not having enough townreads?

I could respond but basically everything you quoted I don't see how he couldn't say as scum. he's far from a town leader in just about everyone's eyes and I don't think there was any risk of him being a town leader. especially with me in the game and how in information mafia I lead everyone after the game went stale only for rEdo to vote me for absolutely no reason :cry:

in particular, this
I shouldn't have to explain this.
is not alignment indicative bc Dake is probably ice scum so ofc he's going to hammer a fire scum. and even if he's fire scum fandw was quite clearly about to be lynched so he didn't really have a choice
and
This either.
that's hardly a "firm stance". he doesn't give any reasons for any of them
Just more firm stances.
I see false logic and waffling about what Sephi said. this is, again, hardly a firm stance

can we speedlynch this guy plz
pieguyn
also I love how you started to bus Dake at the start of the game bc you love bussing your teammates

but then you realized how suicidal it was in a setup like this and did a complete 180 ~
DakeDekaane
You people would know I don't have a "defined meta", so meta arguments are weak against me, if that's all the case you have on me, you took the wrong way.
Raging Bull

CalignoBot wrote:

Raging Bull you'd prefer your vote to be useless than put someone at L-3?
Why is the way how i vote even bothering you? I still am going to vote nh. I was the one who even voted him first. Seems like you really want him dead as long as it isnt your partner
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

i fyou think I'm BS'ing reads then why do you have me in your townpile. scared of not having enough townreads?
Read my ISO again.

In case you're lazy: You were only placed there because I was very interested in NoHitter's flip before classifying you one way or the other. I'd rather not support a lynch on you until then.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I could respond but basically everything you quoted I don't see how he couldn't say as scum. he's far from a town leader in just about everyone's eyes and I don't think there was any risk of him being a town leader. especially with me in the game and how in information mafia I lead everyone after the game went stale only for rEdo to vote me for absolutely no reason :cry:
That wasn't as much a concrete point as it was a generalization. Being very active and helping drive the playerlist to a consensus kind of makes a time where you want to lay low stand out a fuckton more which would completely defeat the purpose of trying to do this in the first place.

pieguy wrote:

in particular, this
I shouldn't have to explain this.
is not alignment indicative bc Dake is probably ice scum so ofc he's going to hammer a fire scum. and even if he's fire scum fandw was quite clearly about to be lynched so he didn't really have a choice
This is complete nonsense. You seem to be under the assumption that if he was ice scum, he would know that fartownik was fire scum. So... why exactly would he hold back again on a target that pretty much everyone else active at that point was calling for the head of?

Also, congratulations on pretty much eliminating the possibility of Dake being fire scum. The partner's best play would easily have been to be on the wagon while he basically threw away his chance to.

pieguy1372 wrote:

and
This either.
that's hardly a "firm stance". he doesn't give any reasons for any of them
Again, nonsense. Just because he doesn't give reasons doesn't mean it's not a firm stance. If you basically lock yourself into a single perspective that would look incredibly awkward to back out of, it's a firm stance.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Just more firm stances.
I see false logic and waffling about what Sephi said. this is, again, hardly a firm stance
Go into more detail here.

pieguy1372 wrote:

also I love how you started to bus Dake at the start of the game bc you love bussing your teammates

but then you realized how suicidal it was in a setup like this and did a complete 180 ~
This would be a lot more convincing if I had posted close to anything about Dake before you asked me why I thought he was town.
Amianki

Raging Bull wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Raging Bull you'd prefer your vote to be useless than put someone at L-3?
Why is the way how i vote even bothering you? I still am going to vote nh. I was the one who even voted him first. Seems like you really want him dead as long as it isnt your partner
You talk about voting him a lot for someone who isn't voting for anyone. It's even worse when he's L-4.
Raging Bull
You talk a lot for someone who wasnt here for half the game
Amianki

Raging Bull wrote:

You talk a lot for someone who wasnt here for half the game
How does this have any relevance to anything.
Raging Bull
Oh now you read. I keep saying that im not voting for someone who is v/la.
Amianki
And you're using that as an excuse to do pretty much nothing. If you're just going to vote him as soon as he's back from V/LA, then what exactly is the point of not voting him now?
Raging Bull
Why do you want me to vote him so bad? And it's the exactly the same thing reverse. If I'm going to vote him later, why vote right now? You're the one doing nothing besides rebuttle crap and trying to look town by pressuring people to vote.
pieguyn

CalignoBot wrote:

That wasn't as much a concrete point as it was a generalization. Being very active and helping drive the playerlist to a consensus kind of makes a time where you want to lay low stand out a fuckton more which would completely defeat the purpose of trying to do this in the first place.
hes' really not "driving the playerlist to a consensus"

CalignoBot wrote:

This is complete nonsense. You seem to be under the assumption that if he was ice scum, he would know that fartownik was fire scum. So... why exactly would he hold back again on a target that pretty much everyone else active at that point was calling for the head of?
bc he knows it's not his partner
what I'm saying is, the fact that he hammered scum is irrelevant

CalignoBot wrote:

Also, congratulations on pretty much eliminating the possibility of Dake being fire scum. The partner's best play would easily have been to be on the wagon while he basically threw away his chance to.
plz don't make random assumptions

CalignoBot wrote:

Again, nonsense. Just because he doesn't give reasons doesn't mean it's not a firm stance. If you basically lock yourself into a single perspective that would look incredibly awkward to back out of, it's a firm stance.
1. no it means nothing if you don't back it up
2. oh yeah sure like ou did with dake obvscum and then dake obvtown

CalignoBot wrote:

Go into more detail here.
Wait no, you were reading Tsukasa as probably town ( p/2729116/ ) even after "trying to derail" the farto's wagon ( p/2728407/ ), and now you read him as scum, pls.
And now you vote an idle person, at least wait some time and ask prod pls.
both of these are false logic

idk but if I were townreading rEdo, I might be agreeing with Sephi on that post looking scummy, sadly I'm not townreading him neither was, so, you want to speedlynch the wrong person.
this isn't even definitely saying anything

CalignoBot wrote:

This would be a lot more convincing if I had posted close to anything about Dake before you asked me why I thought he was town.
this is a blatant lie and you know it
remember on the start near page 6 or w/e? you were calling dake scum there
Sephibro
prod dodge
rEdo
Caligno is trying too much.
Vote2: CalignoBot
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

That wasn't as much a concrete point as it was a generalization. Being very active and helping drive the playerlist to a consensus kind of makes a time where you want to lay low stand out a fuckton more which would completely defeat the purpose of trying to do this in the first place.
hes' really not "driving the playerlist to a consensus"
Pushing out your own opinions instead of just muddying the waters all over the place helps drive a consensus.

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

This is complete nonsense. You seem to be under the assumption that if he was ice scum, he would know that fartownik was fire scum. So... why exactly would he hold back again on a target that pretty much everyone else active at that point was calling for the head of?
bc he knows it's not his partner
what I'm saying is, the fact that he hammered scum is irrelevant
You didn't even address my point.

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Also, congratulations on pretty much eliminating the possibility of Dake being fire scum. The partner's best play would easily have been to be on the wagon while he basically threw away his chance to.
plz don't make random assumptions
Tell me why any scum wouldn't want to lynch their partner when it's basically inevitable that they'll be lynched anyway. I can't think of any whatsoever.

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Again, nonsense. Just because he doesn't give reasons doesn't mean it's not a firm stance. If you basically lock yourself into a single perspective that would look incredibly awkward to back out of, it's a firm stance.
1. no it means nothing if you don't back it up
2. oh yeah sure like ou did with dake obvscum and then dake obvtown
1. You basically said the exact same thing as before without addressing my point.
2. This point is so terrible that I almost don't want to even bother responding to it. It's manipulating a point to try to use it against me, then just ignoring convenient facts in order to make it sound stronger.

a. Go look into my early game play over several games, then tell me what you find.
b. I was already clearly rethinking my stances around the time I forgot about the game. It wasn't a "complete 180" as you had said earlier and implied here.
c. 1.5 game phases had happened between those two stances, the beginning of which was in day one. The sheer amount of information difference between those two points is heavily significant in how reads develop.
d.

CalignoBot wrote:

Go into more detail here.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Wait no, you were reading Tsukasa as probably town ( p/2729116/ ) even after "trying to derail" the farto's wagon ( p/2728407/ ), and now you read him as scum, pls.
And now you vote an idle person, at least wait some time and ask prod pls.
both of these are false logic
Actually, that post is incredibly accurate now that I took the time to actually look at it. You overreacted horrifically to that single point (saying he "flailed all over the place to derail the farto wagon" when all he did was vote Sephibro for bad reads) when not only was he supporting the fartownik wagon earlier in that game day, but also gave no indication whatsoever that he had changed his mind in that post. Your rebuttal to this point only makes it stronger. I'll let you figure out how by yourself.

So yes, that is not false logic at all. He could've very easily went into more detail, but that point in of itself is solid.

pieguy1372 wrote:

idk but if I were townreading rEdo, I might be agreeing with Sephi on that post looking scummy, sadly I'm not townreading him neither was, so, you want to speedlynch the wrong person.
this isn't even definitely saying anything
There's not exactly close to anything he could have said to the opposite with what he was given.

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

This would be a lot more convincing if I had posted close to anything about Dake before you asked me why I thought he was town.
this is a blatant lie and you know it
remember on the start near page 6 or w/e? you were calling dake scum there
You know full well I meant after I came back and started playing again.
Amianki

Raging Bull wrote:

Why do you want me to vote him so bad? And it's the exactly the same thing reverse. If I'm going to vote him later, why vote right now? You're the one doing nothing besides rebuttle crap and trying to look town by pressuring people to vote.
Your posts have been nothing but promising a vote on NoHitter after he comes back from V/LA (fake pressure) and trying to spin me calling you out on it into me being scum while withholding your vote (more fake pressure).
Topic Starter
Sakura
NoHitter's V/LA is over and will be prodded within 24 hours of this post if he hasn't posted by then.

[L-2]CalignoBot (3) - pieguy1372, rEdo, rEdo
NoHitter (1) - CalignoBot
DakeDekaane (1) - sephibro

Not Voting - DakeDekaane, NoHitter, Tsukasa, Raging Bull

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.
pieguyn
I'll let you figure out how by yourself.
why are you being so ambiguous?

talking about "clear stances", this is hardly one at all. showing how BS your WK'ing of Dake really is

You know full well I meant after I came back and started playing again.
you're so scum

here's how you slipped: you're saying I know "full well" when I'm one of your townreads. if you really believed I knew "full well" then that would make me scum for lying/misrepping/etc. I've seen all I need to see :>

not to mention, why are you being so defensive and jumping to conclusions? I know you don't like 1v1'ing with me. mb you're afraid I'll expose you? hmmm

here's the plan: we lynch Caligno today and Dake tomorrow. by then we should have enough info to figure out who the last fire scum is. let's go
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

here's how you slipped: you're saying I know "full well" when I'm one of your townreads. if you really believed I knew "full well" then that would make me scum for lying/misrepping/etc. I've seen all I need to see :>
I rest my case.
Amianki
I was being 'ambiguous' because it was literally just spelled out in my paragraph above, but whatevs.

You're just stretching all these things and making shit up to try to lynch me over a super obvscum, so it's all white noise anyway.
DakeDekaane
pieguy you're being annoying, unless you're scum trying to mislynch someone (like me). What if Caligno flips town if he gets lynched today? I hope you have a strategy if you're tunneling like this.

I think we all agree on voting NH, so we can speedlynch him to please pieguy's speedlynch wishes and likely catch scum.
rEdo

DakeDekaane wrote:

pieguy you're being annoying, unless you're scum trying to mislynch someone (like me). What if Caligno flips town if he gets lynched today? I hope you have a strategy if you're tunneling like this.

I think we all agree on voting NH, so we can speedlynch him to please pieguy's speedlynch wishes and likely catch scum.
Okay, this actually made me giggle.
rEdo
By the way, sorry for just lurking these days, I've been really busy with exams this week. Will post some REAL content in the next 2-3 days. Anyway, votes on Caligno.
pieguyn

DakeDekaane wrote:

Are we sharing reads? I should share reads too.

My townreads are in RB and Sephibro. I can't see RB as scum and Sephi hasn't made anything that make him look scummy besides going with the flow and suspecting me.

Everyone else is possible scum. This two guys are less likely to be scum.
pieguy is the least likely to be scum, why? If this ability is of his, is way too OP for scum imo. But if this is CTs' ability, pieguy is more likely to be scum :P
rEdo because maybe.

The rest has a high chance of being scum, after re-re-reading the thread, I'm ok with lynching any of these guys.
NH, Caligno and Tsukasa.

Me ofc is town, whoever that puts a vote on me if a wagon starts is likely scum.

And yes, I also want to know why I'm obvtown Caligno.

DakeDekaane wrote:

pieguy you're being annoying, unless you're scum trying to mislynch someone (like me). What if Caligno flips town if he gets lynched today? I hope you have a strategy if you're tunneling like this.

I think we all agree on voting NH, so we can speedlynch him to please pieguy's speedlynch wishes and likely catch scum.
so you go from {NH, Caligno, Tsukass} to {NH} with no explanation whatsoever. especially when "we all agree on voting NH" is far from true anyway

nope. fail. nice try. die
pieguyn

CTs-Th wrote:

For everybody sake please lynch Caligno or Dake quickly!
Oops, I mean. Looks like they're team up together now.
The more you talk, the more suspicious you got from me.
For now, I think I wouldn't regret if I mislynch Caligno or Dake, because we'll surely get an information from today's lynch.
Unfortunately, I can't vote :P

And this one:

Raging Bull wrote:

Why is the way how i vote even bothering you? I still am going to vote nh. I was the one who even voted him first. Seems like you really want him dead as long as it isnt your partner
Agreed.

And oh, if today have passed, I can't talk anymore.
rEdo
rip in peace cth
DakeDekaane

DakeDekaane wrote:

What if Caligno flips town if he gets lynched today? I hope you have a strategy if you're tunneling like this.
pls :D

pieguy1372 wrote:

so you go from {NH, Caligno, Tsukass} to {NH} with no explanation whatsoever. especially when "we all agree on voting NH" is far from true anyway
When did I townread or moved Tsukasa and Caligno out from my scum pool? Stop making fake assumptions. Caligno WKing me is a good sign, I think, but I can't think of him being totally townie yet. If he's scum, he's doing a good job trying to pull me with his rope.

Tell me what is next after lynching Caligno (if we do), and I may change my opinion.
Amianki
zzzzzz

CTs: Address my points.
Amianki
Also, rEdo: State in your own words why you think I'm mafia. Do not use quote tags for anything pieguy says or I'll consider that a scumclaim.
rEdo

CalignoBot wrote:

Also, rEdo: State in your own words why you think I'm mafia. Do not use quote tags for anything pieguy says or I'll consider that a scumclaim.
Because I just do. If I'm not misled by somebody or something, that is.
Topic Starter
Sakura
[L-2] CalignoBot (3) - pieguy1372, rEdo, rEdo
NoHitter (1) - CalignoBot
DakeDekaane (1) - sephibro

Not Voting - DakeDekaane, NoHitter, Tsukasa, Raging Bull

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.
Sephibro
I would have preferred a Dake's lynch because even if he wasn't Ice scum he would probably be Fire scum imo
But i agree on Caligno's lynch too

unvote
vote: CalignoBot
Raging Bull
Its great if we get scum but better if its fire. Dont hammer calingo yet please. And where is nh?
Sephibro

Raging Bull wrote:

Its great if we get scum but better if its fire.
it's better if it's ice
Amianki
Sephibro: Same question as the one I sent to rEdo earlier.
Amianki
I'm considering any hammer a scumclaim; cutting off discussion before half the playerlist can be made accountable for their actions is the single most anti-town thing you can do in this situation.
NoHitter
So I'm back guys. Reading the thread from start to finish since I left and commenting.

@Caligno: You are really stretching this case on yours against me. How the hell do you force a "null" read on everyone? It's not something you can do intentionally.

So pieguy is some sort of "communicate with dead" role.

And here is Caligno, keeping on scumpainting me without actually making a case and only saying "He's scum because he is a null read."

Vote : CalignoBot
You are really grasping for straws voting for me.

And yes I agree, why is Dake obvtown?

@Caligno: No, being "firm with their statements in basically every post and not dropping association tells all over the place." is not a towntell per se. Association tells are null reads. And scum could have a one-track mind as well. It all depends on playstyle.

And how is the fact that Dake = town and me = town an impossibility?

---

Yeah sorry guys, I need to rest now. I'll be back tomorrow with the rest of the post.
Topic Starter
Sakura
That's a hammer, flip and stuff when i get home.
rEdo
that is when?
Topic Starter
Sakura
As the dead body of CalignoBot falls to the floor, you notice he has an interesting book titled "Introduction to Fire Spells" what could this mean?

[LYNCH!] CalignoBot (5) - pieguy1372, rEdo, rEdo, sephibro, NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - CalignoBot

Not Voting - DakeDekaane, Tsukasa, Raging Bull

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

CalignoBot Fire Mafia Goon has been lynched D3

The Fire Mafia Team is now all dead and has lost the game!

From now on deadlines are halved.

It is now Night 3, Night 3 ends in 24 hours of this post.
Topic Starter
Sakura
As you all gather in the town center you see DakeDekaane's body on the ground, apparently his bulletproof vest was worn out and couldnt hold much longer.


DakeDekaane Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard has been killed Night 3

Not Voting - Sephibro, rEdo, Tsukasa, NoHitter, pieguy1372, Raging Bull.

With 7 votes in play it takes 4 to lynch.

It is now Day 4, you have until December 26th 12:46 GMT-5 to hammer
rEdo
lol, Dake bulletproof once again.

Rereading this whole thing once again now.
Topic Starter
Sakura
As a mist falls down, a gunshot is heard, and so falls rEdo who wanted to read everything again... too bad he didnt have enough time to do so, everyone runs scared back to their houses and decides to not hold a meeting for the rest of the day

rEdo Town Double Voter has been killed Day 4

It is now Night 4, all actions due in my inbox within 24 hours 31 hours. (Extended so it ends right after im back from work)

Shortest day ever huh?
rEdo
FUCKING BAH.
Topic Starter
Sakura
The ice spreads over the town, it seems it's power cannot be contained anymore, and the townspeople will live in this popsicle for the rest of their lives, it seems their group of chosen couldn't figure out who the Ice mages where, or perhaps... it was too late

Tsukasa 1-Shot Unlynchable Roleblocker has been killed Night 4

pieguy1372 Vanilla Townie has been endgamed

Raging Bull Vanilla Townie has been endgamed

The Ice Mafia Team of NoHitter and sephibro has won the game!

An era of chilly days has come to the town, and seems like peace will be a dream lost in eternity...

Actions

Day 1
Cookie was modkilled by Sakura

Night 1
Irreversible uses Diplomacy (Blocks all Night kills and poisons the user)
rEdo uses follow footsteps on fartownik. Result: No Ability use.
fartownik uses Investigation Immunity Result: Night 1 alignment scans will return Town when used on fartownik

Day 2
No Actions taken

Night 2
pieguy1372 uses Detect Hidden Forces on Tsukasa. Result: Tsukasa wasn't targeted by an ability.
Tsukasa's Sixth Sense gives Result: Detect Hidden Forces was used.
rEdo uses follow footsteps on pieguy1372 Result: pieguy1372 used Detect Hidden Forces.
DakeDekaane bodyguards Raging Bull
CalignoBot kills Raging Bull (fails and hits DakeDekaane's bulletproof instead)
sephibro watches rEdo (rEdo wasn't targeted)
NoHitter kills CTs-Th

Day 3
CTs-Th possesses pieguy1372

Night 3
pieguy1372 uses Detect Hidden Forces on sephibro Result: sephibro wasn't targeted.
rEdo follows NoHitter's footsteps. Result: None because roleblock.
DakeDekaane bodyguards sephibro
DakeDekaane uses Inside Information on CTs-Th (No result because Dake died)
Tsukasa roleblocks rEdo.
sephibro kills DakeDekaane

Day 4
sephibro Daykills rEdo.

Night 4
NoHitter kills Tsukasa.
Tsukasa took no action.
Topic Starter
Sakura
fartownik

Sakura wrote:

Welcome you are a Fire Mafia JOAT

Your partner is Louis13 and you may communicate via this QT

JOAT abilities:

1-Shot Ninja: If you perform the kill during the night you use this ability you will appear as visiting no one to trackers and watchers.

1-Shot Bulletproof: The first time a bullet would hit you will do nothing instead.

1-Shot Investigation Immunity: During any night of your choice any alignment scans on you will result "Town".

1-Shot Strongman: If you perform the kill during the night you use this ability your shot will ignore protection and roleblocks.

1-Shot Roleblocker: During any night of your choice the target person's actions will become nullified.

Hidden Ability: None

You win when you control half the votes and the Ice Mafia Team is dead.

CalignoBot

Sakura wrote:

Welcome you are a Fire Mafia Goon

Your parnter is fartownik and you may privately communicate with him in this QT

You and your partner share a factional kill that either of you may perform each night.

Hidden Ability:
Rig the votecount: Anytime during the day you may PM the mod Vote: playername you will add a vote to that person that will appear as ???? in votecounts. You may change this vote anytime you want by PMing the mod again.

You win when you control half the votes and the Ice Mafia Team is dead.

NoHitter

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, you are an Ice Mafia Goon

Your partner is sephibro and you can communicate on this QT

You both possess a factional kill, either you or your partner may submit a kill during each night.

Hidden Ability:
Freezing Thoughts:
You may PM the mod during the day a target player's name, that player's vote (or votes) will be frozen on the target and can't be changed for the rest of the day, if the target isnt voting anyone they become voteless for the rest of the day instead. (1-Shot).

You win when you control half the votes and the Fire Mafia Team is dead.

sephibro

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are an Ice Mafia JOAT

Your partner is NoHitter and you can communicate privately via this QT

You and your partner have a factional Night kill, you may use this during the night and only 1 of you may use it.

JOAT abilities:

1-Shot Doctor: During a night of your choice a target player will be protected from a single night kill.

1-Shot Cop: During a night of your choice you may target a player and will know whether they are Guilty, Not Guilty or No Result at the end of the night.

1-Shot DayKill: During a Day of your choice at any time you may PM me the name of a player and that player will die and the day will end. If you use this ability you cannot perform the night kill that night.

1-Shot Tracker: During a Night of your choice you may choose a player and you wil be informed any player that was targeted by them, or will have a no result.

1-Shot Watcher: During a Night of your choice you may choose a player and you will be informed any player that targeted them, or will have a no result.

Hidden Ability: None... What, you want MORE abilities?

You may only perform one of your JOAT abiltiies per night, but you may perform the nightkill on the same night except when you use the day kill.

You win when you control half the votes and the Fire Mafia Team is dead.

DakeDekaane

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are a Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard.

During any night you may target a player, if that player would be hit by a bullet you take the bullet instead. You also will survive the first bullet that hits you.

Hidden Ability:
Inside Information: You may target a player during the night (living or dead) and you will be informed of what hidden abilities they have if any (1-Shot)

You may use your hidden ability and your night ability on the same night

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Tsukasa

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are a Town 1-Shot Unlynchable Roleblocker.

During any night of your choice you can target a player to prevent them from taking any action (including hidden abilities). Also if you would be lynched you will survive instead and the day will end in a No Lynch, however, this will only work once.

Hidden Ability:
Sixth Sense:
If you are targeted by a hidden ability you will know this and will know what effect it had.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Cookie

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are a Town 1-Shot Vigilante

During any night of your choice you may PM me a player name, if your action is succesful that player will die.

Hidden Ability:
Reckless Rush: You may use your kill during the day instead, this will reset the vote count but it will render you voteless for the rest of the game.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

rEdo

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are a Town Double Voter.

You have 2 votes, you can use them in this format:

Vote1: Playername1
Vote2: Playername2


You can also Unvote with

Unvote1
Unvote2


Both of your votes are taken in the required ammount of votes to lynch, so if there's 7 players alive it will have ncessary to lynch as if it were 8 for example.

Hidden Ability:
Follow footsteps: You may target a player every night and know whether they used a hidden ability and who they targeted with it. the striked part was mod error.

You win when all threats to town are gone.

Raging Bull

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are a Vanilla Townie

However due to your secret research you have deveolped...

Hidden Ability:
Cloaking device: During any night you may target a player and that player will be untargetable for that night, this doesn't affect factional kills.

Other than that you have your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

CTs-Th

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are a Vanilla Townie

However due to your hidden links with the mystical forces you have developed...

Hidden Ability:
Possesion: When you die you may target any player, you will communicate with said player via a quicktopic, you wont receive a dead quicktopic until said quicktopic is closed.
Side-Effect: If you die during the Night, Day actions are blocked while you choose a target.

Other than that you got your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

pieguy1372

Sakura wrote:

Welcome, You are a Vanilla Townie

However due to your dedication in martial arts you have developed...

Hidden Ability:
Detect Hidden Forces: During any night you may target a player and will know whether they were targeted by a hidden ability during that night.
Irreversible

Sakura wrote:

Welcome you are a Vanilla Townie

However since you used to be a politician you have deveolped...

Hidden Ability:
Diplomacy: During a night of your choice you may use this ability, any kill that would happen that night will be prevented, but everyone will know that you used this ability. (1-Shot)
Side-Effect: You will be poisoned at the end of the night this ability is used.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Mod Notes:
Never give a day ending daykill to scum again.

QTs:

Graveyard
The Icy Cave
The Fiery Volcano
Spirit Realm
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