whats wrong with dispel

moo

Dear God, stop complaining about everything guys. xD

silmarilen wrote:

i dont really see the problem? i could sightread it just fine.
kinda weird that skystar maps are ok but this isnt?

Its not about difficulty, its about a mapping error that got noticed too late after ranking for the map to get unranked and fixed.

Chewu wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

i dont really see the problem? i could sightread it just fine.
kinda weird that skystar maps are ok but this isnt?

Its not about difficulty, its about a mapping error that got noticed too late after ranking for the map to get unranked and fixed.

qft

It's not like you can't practice the maps beforehand....

omg, pavor nocturnus in freemod pool and we're out of the tournament. I'm so sad...

Loctav wrote:

It's not like you can't practice the maps beforehand....

It's not like you can actually take a deep look at the maps before choosing them..
Also, it's not like you can actually listen to the people complaining instead of giving them vague answers and just ignore.

Loctav wrote:

It's not like you can't practice the maps beforehand....

Let's pick mtmcl maps then. There's nothing wrong with mtmcl maps you can just practice them right..?

they did that in owc1

What's even the issue with exchanging it?
Deep Sea was swapped before, now this should be too, for, in my opinion, obvious reasons. You can't just pick downright broken maps for an official tournament and then expect the players to adapt to it

why wasn't egoism [nold] picked

yay i see your ass in fire
/me runs

Why would you waste your time on making a troll pool?

I don't think it took him much time. He probably just picked some random maps out of nowhere and set them to random categories.

aka stop complaining, do it better

I think I would do it better.

At least I'd devote several hours picking those maps and asked some players for advice.


#edit:

Played all the maps.

tutuhaha again shows that she deserves the title: worst mapper of the year. Children Record beats Saten's Kokou no Sousei in terms of being total shit <clap> <clap> <clap>


From NoMods Disconnected Hardkore shouldn't even be ranked.

HardRock bracket ok apart from strange streams in Cendrillion.

DT is meh, but no complaints this time. Just don't like the maps, but are ok for the owc.

I said enough about Dispel earlier, pls unrank this.

I was wondering why ppl wanted Ivaltek nomod so much. Seems like the AR was the only reason since the map isn't good at all. But well, freemod is ok.

Don't blame me, since this time I almost didn't pick any map of this mappool , I was planning to do it on Sunday though but when I woke up it was released already, so meh.

Still can't get over Japan's lost. Awwwwww

But anyway, go POLAND!!

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I think I would do it better.

I vote AmaiHachimitsu for map selector next year.

Darksonic wrote:

Don't blame me, since this time I almost didn't pick any map of this mappool , I was planning to do it on Sunday though but when I woke up it was released already, so meh.

Then prepare it for next week, don't do it just a few hours in advance. And this also proves there is zero communication between the map selectors, I thought you'd be selecting them together.

I vote AmaiHachimitsu for map selector next year.

If it wasn't for the unability to participate in the tournament, I'd take on this job

Blame me. I've been afk since group stage.

prepare mapsets in advance, before the tournament starts, then you can afk as much as you want \:D/

Wishy wrote:

Blame me. I've been afk since group stage.

Yeh. Shame on you!

YYYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssss.

Moonpower wrote:

Then prepare it for next week, don't do it just a few hours in advance. And this also proves there is zero communication between the map selectors, I thought you'd be selecting them together.

Not enough time, I have my reasons.

jesus1412 wrote:

YYYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssss.

dat 69

Wishy I blame you.

No this is peppys fault. I blame him.

Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (gowww) [Insane]
#2: no-mod
#3: hidden
#4: hardrock
#5: doubletime???

pretty intense, didn't expect UK to get that far.

Ok, I didn't want this to end up here, but I can't seem to find any place for it anymore. Loctav isn't answering my PMs, perhaps he will read this.

I asked Loctav for a postpone of our match, because of Poland's inability to play on the next weekend. Obviously my request got rejected, even though the match is a semi-final and the organizers should do everything in their power to get the strongest rosters of all the teams into the game.

Ok, I gave up my hopes for a match during the week/next weekend. Loctav said he's planning the matches to be played on the next Sunday (I was talking with him Sunday evening, before releasing the schedule). Surprisingly next day I found out our match was put on Saturday, without our knowledge, and Saturday is the day when 3 of our players can't even be online at. I asked him immediately to put our match on Sunday (via forum PM), didn't get any response. I asked him again that evening when he was online, replying me that he can't change the schedule anymore, because 3 of 4 teams have agreed on Saturday, so why would he make an exception for 1 remaining team?. Yeah, sounds fucking stupid, right? Especially when we were not noticed the match was going to be moved from Sunday to Saturday.

This is obviously not the best part. The other mighty argument of Loctav was that Taiwan couldn't play at Sunday. So I decided to talk with the Taiwan's captain, Uan, privately to sort things out and find the best option for both of the teams so our best rosters face each other. After some time talking, Uan agreed on Sunday (I'm very thankful for that, I know they also don't have much freetime during the weekend). The only thing is that Loctav didn't agree on postponing the match even after both teams agreed on a fitting time. He replied to Rucker with such statement, but not to me (I PM'd him 1 minute after Rucker, PMing him in-game right now for ~3 hours as well), thus I write it here because I don't know where else.

Now my question, is this even fair? Should the organizers be so damn strict about the times at all costs during the semi-finals, even if it means a team losing with a walkover or playing with backups only? My trying to postpone this match is going on for 3 days, and I haven't been supported by the staff anyhow, not one fucking bit.

I hope for some positive reaction and support from others, I don't know where should I aim at anymore. I want the match to be as good as possible and the result as accurate.

If both teams agreed to the change, then I agree that the change should go ahead, pending confirmation on commentator / streamer availability. Just my two cents

remeber last year's match for 3rd place?
oh yeah, there wasnt one, because they didnt allow a postpone of the match so we could have 4 people online.
it sucks that they wont allow you to play with your best team, but at least you get to play.

Well, if the match is not postponed then I guess we will play it on Sunday without the stream, if that's the huge problem of the staff members. I only hope Taiwan agrees on this.

edit: the accurate result is more important than having the match streamed, imo

silmarilen wrote:

remeber last year's match for 3rd place?
oh yeah, there wasnt one, because they didnt allow a postpone of the match so we could have 4 people online.
it sucks that they wont allow you to play with your best team, but at least you get to play.

Also I'm writing here to avoid such situation, because it's the wrong way out of it.

As to clear out how we were fooled by Loctie (1st of farto's long paragraphs).



Basically, we were waiting for the schedule peacefully because Loctav said the matches would be on Sunday. And then suddenly fk Poland, Saturday, without notifying us. And since it was already scheduled, we couldn't change it.

"I've changed my mind"

This <3 much

I'd like to know why can't we postpone the match even though Taiwan (<3) agreed on this. Some logical reason.

Just don't say again that "you have life" and we - always playing nerds - have to subjugate to unfitting time at your whim.

Also, what would be the problem with postponing it next week, for example? And move the finals as well?


I don't know what's going on in your mind Loctav, but you act like you were so offended by farto's insults (I don't know what kind of, but it's not important) and just want revenge. And in the end you will have a crappy match (or walkover) with substitute roster and lot of flame towards you and the whole organization.

For whom does the tournament exist? Answers may be various but I guess it's not for the organizers only.

I'd like Peppy to say something about this issue. And I beg for support from other countries, be it players or simple spectators. I'm pretty sure you all want to watch a good match rather than shit 5:0 in 20 minutes because some guy didn't like to have the match on Sunday.


Waiting for your reasoning.

if both teams agreed why not

eldnl wrote:

if both teams agreed why not

because loctav, duh

And yeah, sorry for the insults there. I was genuinely pissed off of this situation already, tend to react too emotionally.

I would rather play on Sunday.

EDIT: Why was it moved to Saturday, I'm not happy with this.

EDIT2: Neither is my team apparently, we wouldn't have even known it was Saturday.

I would also rather play on Sunday.

Haven't been around for the first two owc's, but is this happening every year?

typical Loctav actions + reasoning, its the same when i talk to him about hackers, hes just like "an apparently correct accusation is still an accusation"

no reason to be such a dick to lie to farto, apparently UK wants to play on sunday too? :d

>w< desu!

postpone the match n00bs

I don't really see what's the problem on it.

The problem is that Loctav hates the Polish team for whatever reason he has and doesn't give a single shit that most of our players cannot play at the time they didn't agree to play at. That and he doesn't want to postpone it to Sunday, even with both teams' agreement.

Zarerion wrote:

Haven't been around for the first two owc's, but is this happening every year?

No, only on #3 and #4, coincidentally managed by the same person...

Also,

Ciunek wrote:

The problem is that Loctav hates the Polish team

Loctav doesn't hate anyone - he just doesn't care about what anyone else thinks about the tournament - he's running it for himself and his own expectations.

Blue Dragon wrote:

Loctav doesn't hate anyone

Hates everyone*

Well I suppose I'm talking to a brick wall saying that, but the osu! world cup is supposed to be a "fun" event for many people, not only the participants. By watching streams and commentators and discussing maps and players everyone can contribute in a way.
This means that the organizing person(s) need to arrange it in a way which is fun to the highest amount of people, which I suppose is what Loctav is trying to do, so please consider that he isn't in an easy position. A shitton of people getting mad right now isn't gonna help anyone. You're just putting more pressure on Loctav, and people tend to be even less likely to cooperate when being insulted.

In any case, this doesn't mean farto isn't right with what he says. From what is known to the public (including the affected team), Loctav didn't really explain anything.
This game is run by the community, so is this tournament, so if there's anything going wrong the whole community should be informed. I'm saying, OWC staff should really be a tad more transparent, so we actually understand what's going on.
Why can't the match be postponed when both teams agreed on it? Is it the streamers being unavailable, or the commentators? If what we really want to get is the best experience for everyone, weh should aim to make the match possible with the best team rosters, so it is an actually fair game between the strongest players of these countries.
As Kamui said, in Group stage where a lot of different matches had to be organized it's understandable that a single change means a huge impact on the whole schedule, but this would only affect one of two matches, so what exactly IS the reason for not postponing it? (Yes, I strongly assume there is a reason aside from "Has been scheduled like that, no change because rules")

cptnXn wrote:

typical Loctav actions + reasoning, its the same when i talk to him about hackers, hes just like "an apparently correct accusation is still an accusation"

interesting coming from you :^)

so what exactly IS the reason for not postponing it? (Yes, I strongly assume there is a reason aside from "Has been scheduled like that, no change because rules")

If the reason was obvious and openly acceptable by everyone, he would just spit it out.

I think he has his reasons, but are a bit selfish or not acceptable by the community.

This means that the organizing person(s) need to arrange it in a way which is fun to the highest amount of people, which I suppose is what Loctav is trying to do, so please consider that he isn't in an easy position

I have the feeling that OWC's main aim is to lure newcomers (and possibly, osu! supporters) so those, who actually know this and that about the game aren't as important. This is why a match with Polish substitute roster would be still ok, we would just lose 1,2 thousands of viewers, most of them being experienced players. Saturday is an excellent day to watch the the match. Everyone is winning apart from participants and, of course, the sportsmanship and fairplay






I presuppose Loctav is pregnant.





#EDIT: Jappy pls stop

quality moderation o/

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

so what exactly IS the reason for not postponing it? (Yes, I strongly assume there is a reason aside from "Has been scheduled like that, no change because rules")

If the reason was obvious and openly acceptable by everyone, he would just spit it out.

I think he has his reasons, but are a bit selfish or not acceptable by the community.







I presuppose Loctav is pregnant.





#EDIT: Jappy pls stop

Why not just play on Sunday too and then we can carry on as if it were the official match unofficially. I'd be happy to play an extra round at the end if the outcome is different (unofficial OWC match).

Why not just play on Sunday too and then we can carry on as if it were the official match unofficially. I'd be happy to play an extra round at the end if the outcome is different (unofficial OWC match).

We could













But WWW wants the tablet so badly : DDDDD

Well if you convince Korea we can have a little strike there. The tournament is not going to run without the teams.

#mastermind #evilplans #fightforjustice

Uh... I didn't know it was Saturday just now and I'll be away then.
I'd prefer Sunday.

This does sound a bit fishy but I'll reserve my thoughts on the matter until I hear a proper explaination by Loctav. If something like this is going on then there better be a good reason for it. Else just change it and make the viewers happy lockie?

The official reason is that Taiwan can't play at Sunday, period. That's what Loctav told me last time. This argument doesn't work anymore as said before, so there should be absolutely no reason not to postpone the match. Even if there was some kind of hidden reasoning I think the captains of both teams should've been notified about it in the first place.

Also Loctav seems to avoid posting here with proper explanations, he was online for some time today.

fartownik wrote:

Well if you convince Korea we can have a little strike there. The tournament is not going to run without the teams.

#mastermind #evilplans #fightforjustice

my thoughts exactly huehuehue

This is getting interesting o:

no drama no owc

#owcdrama

so is this where we make picket signs and march outside the osu! headquarters while chanting "let them play!"

[Luanny] wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Well if you convince Korea we can have a little strike there. The tournament is not going to run without the teams.

#mastermind #evilplans #fightforjustice

my thoughts exactly huehuehue

Nah... strikes won't resolve anything. If the 4 remaining teams can talk to each other and come up with a new schedule that's within reasonable time frame (eg both matches on the same day, 2-3 hours apart) then you'll have better chances of staff agree to accommodate the changes. It might be worth while to talk to private streamers just in case that no official streamers can make it during the proposed new time.

Once you get players + streamers sorted, I don't see any strong reasons for the officials to reject the proposals (unless the players themselves cannot stick to the new proposed time).

next owc in Lovtavs basement please

Well when the tournament is about like 4 teams you can actually stop it, just don't play and that's it lol. They can make it go on but it would be something like everyone loses or you get half of the team kicked out, something like both Poland and Taiwan losing and the other game becomes the grand final with no 3rd/4th place.

Well, when the turnament is about 4 teams, you can actually postpone it without harm.

We can play semi-finals next week, all of them. Of course if fits other teams and streamers.

JappyBabes wrote:

cptnXn wrote:

typical Loctav actions + reasoning, its the same when i talk to him about hackers, hes just like "an apparently correct accusation is still an accusation"

interesting coming from you :^)

Shots fired.

There are various reasons to reject any postponing.
Despite the management being absent on specific times (which isn't the main reason) and the demand of peppy to not even ask anyone about "when do you want to play", postponings are very critical compared to "agreed scheduling before schedule release"

The issue lies in the postponing self, not in the agreement. Usually teams arrange themselves with a scheduled time, but if I postpone a match (even if both team captains accept), a huge bunch of confusion can happen.
A little example (let's use Poland and taiwan. Keep in mind that this happened like 15 times in last owc because of postponings and bad captainship, not because of my stubborn thinking):
1. Taiwan wishes to schedule on Saturday. Poland is unable to give proper times. Match gets scheduled on Saturday
2. Every taiwanese player arranges with Saturday. Usually they are not online during the week. They just took a look at the schedule once and plan to reappear on Saturday.
3. Poland requests postponing. Captains agree on it. Taiwan is nice and says yes. But Taiwan has a hard time getting players there. Also they have a way worse communication structure than Poland or something. Captain is unable to tell the players the new times. Even if he is able to do so, some might not comprehend, get confused, or forget about the time change
4. On the actual match, Taiwan has to play with 4 backups or not with ideal setup because the postponing AFTER SCHEDULE RELEASE caused a huge confusion. Poland gets an unfair advantage here, considering that they were also able to play on the original scheduled time without a proper roster but with 4 players.

Question: is that fair? I can understand that you want to play with ideal setup. The issue doesn't lie in the Sunday self. I have time on Sunday. Everyone of the management has time there. The biggest issue is, that the postponing happens after schedule release. You are simply too late. Any postponing in a short time frame causes confusion, considering the big rosters of everyone and the fact that many captains do empty promises when it comes to communicating with their team.
I am not saying that Poland or taiwan have bad captains or something, but the caused risk to an unfair mess for a team after the postponing is too high, especially on this stage.

(Let's not mention that postponing is also unfair to UK and Korea and all other teams that played before and maybe went through some shit, too - to make their match happen, instead of playing the drama card)

It's easy to blame me for issues that are on a wide spread side of issues. The demand of peppy to never ask the captains again is a result of the above story, which happened dozens of times during last owc.
And no, the last year's mess wasn't caused by us. It was caused by the urgent need of every team to postpone matches five times a week. Yes, we were inexperienced. But we learned from it. We adjusted the rules. Also I need to be neutral. This means that I disagree with skipping the ruleset for someone asking for it. Everyone needs to be treated the same.
And I see no reason why I should allow Poland a postponing with high risks, when I was not accepting any postponings so far. I must consider risk and gain.

Yet I will try to see, what I can do. I already asked around yesterday, rejecting the request for now, even tho I would postpone it if there would be any guarantee that this doesn't cause issues. But this is impossible.

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

As to clear out how we were fooled by Loctie (1st of farto's long paragraphs).

Basically, we were waiting for the schedule peacefully because Loctav said the matches would be on Sunday. And then suddenly fk Poland, Saturday, without notifying us. And since it was already scheduled, we couldn't change it


"I've changed my mind"

oh, I need to post the pic outside of quotes to make it more visible, my bad

Loctav wrote:

The biggest issue is, that the postponing happens after schedule release. You are simply too late.

.

Sounds pretty bs in my opinion, but what can I say...

Loctav wrote:

I have time on Sunday. Everyone of the management has time there. The biggest issue is, that the postponing happens after schedule release. You are simply too late.

You know in military, an organization which is extremely strict about orders and times/schedules, we had a word for people who were too stubborn to change their mind and adapt to the situation to get optimal results simply because other things were decided earlier.



It was "stupid".



This tournament is for the players. Excuse me for being so direct but stop being an idiot and get your priorities straight, the #1 priority should be to give the players the best playing conditions possible and adapt to whatever real life issues arise for them at any time to ensure that this event which only happens once a year becomes a good experience for all parties involved. Stop walking with your face into the wall.

@Ciunek clearly lacks of context, lol. I explained stuff further later on.

@Aqo you should read the whole post

I did read the whole post, don't assume I didn't just because I didn't choose to quote every single part of it.

I don't know the English word for this term but you need to work on your ability to adapt. I have run several online tournaments in the past (for fighting games) and know perfectly well how frustrating arranging times is and how things can get postponed, but if you don't do your very best to adapt to the players until the very last moment then you're doing a terrible job as a tournament organizer and the whole tournament is bad because of it.

If you would have read it, you would have understood that it is not my incapability to adapt.

No, it's definitely your inability to adapt and fear of stuff that happened in the past like long postponing.

What you should do is talk to both Taiwan and Poland team members and decide on a later time that will be convenient for both, doing it properly while both teams talk to each other. Delay the whole thing as much as needed and if you just let people talk to each other I'm sure it won't take longer than a week. The whole thing wouldn't have happened from the beginning if you just let people talk to each other more instead of making communications difficult. The teams don't need a third man to organize times for them, they can do it themselves. People who were playing for the entire year and waited for this wouldn't mind waiting a little longer to make sure everybody gets to play on their best shape, and I'm sure everybody else would like to see that too.

Stop using slogans like 'this can cause issues'. The biggest possible issue that can happen in a tournament, an event made purely for the players, is players getting screwed over. Your utmost highest priority should be to avoid this happening.

Considering that there are also other world cups in preparation, a postponing by a week is not possible. The tournament schedule was released on registration phase already. And we are not planning to change it.

Stuff is easier said than done. It's easy in your position to say "just do it, what's wrong with it", but I am not naive.
Also not asking the players is a quite dumb accusation. Taking a look on many many tournaments (UScup, OWC#2, even OWC#3) shows the issue in captains handling schedules.

Also postponing by a week is an unfair procedure considering the mappool practice time. Considering that all mappools gave you one week to be practiced, postponing all matches by 1 week give this pool 2 weeks, which is rather screwing the equality of the stages.

My utmost highest priority are fair and standardized matches. And I don't consider it as fair (in the great whole) to allow a single team better condition than others. The players are the focus. But not the polish players alone. All players are. Even those being kicked out already.

And you guys are probably the first blaming me for a messed up match because of an unattendance of taiwanese players. The so so called 'slogan' is no empty phrase. I clearly filled it with content and defined the issue (inability to adapt to postponed times from player sides, unfair treatment among others, giving advantages to one team)

I'm looking at farto's post and it doesn't seem to me like communication was handled properly.

Don't make up unrelated reasons like map practice times. Players on this level don't need more than 15 minutes to get familiar with a map, anything from there is their own play level which they have built over all this time and it won't change drastically in a week.

And thinking about stuff like teams who were kicked out at this point is what I mean with bad adaptation. I wasn't following this owc and didn't see how things went from the start, I'm sure there are things that could have gone better differently, but you should focus on how to make the best out of what you have right now instead of repeating mistakes you did in the past just because "that's what we did earlier".

If you want matches to be fair, let the teams talk to each other and decide on a time that they feel is fair for them. This is what should've been done from the start.

Just because Rucker and fartownik agreed to something, it doesn't guarantee that this won't cause issues to the taiwanese team now - in case of a postponing.
You still didn't understand the core problem or where the unfairness lies - or more like, why the change is now not possible because of the nature of postponings.


Suggesting captain-arranged times only shows that you didn't see what was going on on every tournament that was done like this.

How about you ask the entire teams what they think about it instead of only team captains?
I'm not saying it should necessarily be on either Saturday or Sunday, I'm saying you have a serious communication problem right now and instead of working on resolving it you're making it worse.

Stop sticking your head in the mud of past events and -go and talk to people right now-. Go online and try to catch as many players from each team, ask them what they think, put them in a chat together and let them talk, ask them how and when to contact people who were offline or unreachable at the time, over the course of 2 days (especially now that it's the weekend) get to contact everybody and resolve this issue by letting everybody talk and agree on things together, instead of acting like talking is pointless and giving people the message that they should just deal with robotics decisions that are obsolete of logic.

Considering the availability of every team member, this doesn't guarantee a good outcome. Especially when it comes to players with poor English skills or those who never check their pm folder.
(Asians aren't very famous for their brilliant English)

Experiences aren't empty value. There are clear reasons why stuff is done the way it is.
Repeating the same error over and over again isn't very helpful.

Stop making things up, the Taiwan team speaks English well enough to understand you and reply, and is definitely available for chatting. The statuses for players show they were all active in recent hours (I messaged Rucker 2 days ago completely randomly and he instantly answered. <3 ) Same thing for Poland team, it's absolutely not difficult to reach and talk to at least most of the team.

At this point it sounds like you're just being lazy and looking for ways to throw the blame on others instead of doing your job as a tourney organizer.

At this point you just want to blame me no matter what for something that can not be helped or where risks are too high.
I won't take risks of that size in this stage anymore.
The match will not be postponed due to previously explained reasons. If you disagree, feel free. But I actually prioritize the fairness of a whole tournament.

What risks? holy shit you're just making things up to be lazy and not do the things that a tourney organizer is actually supposed to be doing. I've seen irc/imageboard tournaments being organized better than this

I feel bad for the players who waited an entire year for this

You should read what I wrote. Screw your bias among me, since it's spoiling your view

What bias

find one person who thinks the current tourney organization is fine and that the teams are getting fair treatment

i wonder if there will be any games played LOL

Is captain just the empty title? Captains should be responsible enough to coummunicate with their own teammates and states like "other players could have problems with playing after postponing" shouldnt be considered. If captain agreed without considering his teammates' availability it is his own fault. Questioning every possibilty (which belongs to captain's duties) will lead to thoughts like "maybe he is too shy and acutally he dont want to postpone"

@edit
also what's the problem with one week more of preparations? Its not that UK or Korea gonna play vs Poland/Taiwan on these maps. If both Taiwan and Poland will get same time this shouldnt be problem.

More moe posts in this thread pls!

[-Aoi-] wrote:

also what's the problem with one week more of preparations? Its not that UK or Korea gonna play vs Poland/Taiwan on these maps. If both Taiwan and Poland will get same time this shouldnt be problem.

^ agree

I've had experience with bad communitcations once when planning for a big test for other people so I understand the possibility of the other teams having misunderstandings. I'd say the best way would be to postpone it by at least a week (not this saturday nor this sunday) so that the captains are given adequate time to inform everyone. From then on it will be the captains responsibility to ensure that everyone has the correct dates and time.

That's all..

From what I understand, fartownik actually told you beforehand that they were unable to play on Saturday, and in the end, they were scheduled on Saturday anyway without prior notice. You're talking about fairness, but the scheduling already made this unfair (not that it was put on Saturday, but that they weren't aware until it was "too late to postpone"). And lets face it, captains are very capable of managing their team. If they weren't, your schedule wouldn't work because the captains wouldn't contact their roster, and half the team wouldn't show up. You're basically insulting every captain in this tournament right now. Just look at farto, and tell me if he's doing a good job as a captain or not atm.
I seriously doubt that Taiwan would agree to postponing the match, if they weren't sure if they could get their main rooster.

And Loctav, you know. Instead of posting tons of excuses here and wasting time, why don't you actually speak to both captains to resolve the issue? Instead of outright refusing it and being stubborn, talk with the captains and come to an agreement.

-Kamui- wrote:

More moe posts in this thread pls!

>w<

fartownik's initial statement was, that they can not play on this entire weekend (including Sunday).
Every statement about "Let's play Sunday" Was after schedule release.

Also why is everyone implying that I am not trying to talk to everyone from Taiwan first? Why are you assuming so much? It's not like I can't post here and talk to people meanwhile . I already said that I will see what I can do, but for now you should consider the request as rejected.

-Kamui- wrote:

More moe posts in this thread pls!

will you be my friend??? >w<

We're assuming it (or well, I am) because you're arguing to Aqo about how talking to the teams in a chat would be futile, saying the problem lies in the fact that there may be empty promises if you ask team captains, etc. etc. These are "what if" situations, so of course I'm going to assume you haven't actually spoken to them.

Well, if you're actually trying to resolve the issue, then that's fine.
Do remember the purpose of OWC though: it's to find the best country in the world at playing osu!

Edit: Yea I read farto's post wrong. He did say he couldn't play this weekend at all. This doesn't change the fact that you just "changed your mind". If postponing by a week wasn't possible, I bet Poland would to everything in their power to be able to play during the weekend. If you said Sunday, then that's when they're going to try and get their players to be available. If you then change it to Saturday without notice (and because you "changed your mind"), then that's still a fault on your part for miscommunication.

It's not like it's a real life tournament when everyone gathers in a hall or something to do stuff for a weekend
Make an exception. Or the whole thing about OWC will be ruined
Infact the idea of organizators choosing times for teams to play is just bad I'd say. Captains are pretty capable of doing that by themselves cause they most likely know when the team is available or not (unless something happens)
Some timelimit for postponing is needed yeah, and that would be enough.

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Edit: Yea I read farto's post wrong. He did say he couldn't play this weekend at all. This doesn't change the fact that you just "changed your mind". If postponing by a week wasn't possible, I bet Poland would to everything in their power to be able to play during the weekend. If you said Sunday, then that's when they're going to try and get their players to be available. If you then change it to Saturday without notice (and because you "changed your mind"), then that's still a fault on your part for miscommunication.

The gap between "I plan to do it on Sunday" and actually putting it on Saturday was like... 2 hours? Also since when is a "plan" a promise? I didnt promise anything. It's not like I said "it will be on Sunday, guaranteed". I aimed for Sunday first, but this didnt work out, so I changed my mind and put it on Saturday.
This "fault" is not a fault, since you do not know the context properly. It's ridiculous to say that "they prepared everything for Sunday then" when the actual schedule release and the "not-so-promised-promise" were like 2 hours apart from each other.

-Kamui- for most moe player of OWC 2013