GG WP

I laughed at Bamboo Dance as DoubleTime pick

I don't understand why people say we were attacked by China. There are plenty other possibilities:

- Magic.
- Eirin's shady new drug.
- Yukari is fooling around again.
- It's a Moriya Shrine conspiracy.

guys are you kidding me.

Sonata hasn't been FC'd by anyone but few lucky players.
Dispel - The ugliest, overmapped shit which is disgrace to the whole game.
Ivaltek Freemod - this is a joke.
Anhedonia - muya's worst map. Nice try..

#edit: and it's when I don't know half of the maps. I sense some bad maps.

atleast i dont have to play this pool now. Thanks DDoS kids

Andrea wrote:

That was another nice match, good job guys.

Are you fucking joking? What the fuck.

so much salt

No more kola kid for warm up.

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Sonata hasn't been FC'd by anyone but few lucky players.

Those are not lucky players, those are people that just bothered to try on the map, there's more to the difficulty of a map than how you perceive a scoreboard.

WolferZ wrote:

so much salt

PJSalt

Sonata isn't a very hard map, but it's not very good and it has many clusterfuck patterns, also few people really like the song to grind on the map

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

guys are you kidding me.

Sonata hasn't been FC'd by anyone but few lucky players.
Dispel - The ugliest, overmapped shit which is disgrace to the whole game.
Ivaltek Freemod - this is a joke.
Anhedonia - muya's worst map. Nice try..

#edit: and it's when I don't know half of the maps. I sense some bad maps.

sonata: difficult map, fitting for a semi final
dispel: nice map, good pick
ivaltek freemod: should have been nomod, not like anybody will pick it tho
anhedonia: nice map good pick

opinions

Those are not lucky players, those are people that just bothered to try on the map, there's more to difficulty in a map then how you perceive a scoreboard.

It's not that I haven't played it and I think it's obvious this map is too hard and much of a troll for this tournament. Or at least this stage.

#edit:

dispel: nice map, good pick

Of course, opinions. But I think something is wrong if you think that a map with overmapped streams is good in any way.





Not that I have any hope against Taiwan

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Those are not lucky players, those are people that just bothered to try on the map, there's more to difficulty in a map then how you perceive a scoreboard.

It's not that I haven't played it and I think it's obvious this map is too hard and much of a troll for this tournament. Or at least this stage.










Not that I have any hope against Taiwan

Seems great to me what's the problem.

The maps somehow fit me in terms of patterns and shit.

It's the lack of balance what bugs me.

And seriously, I don't enjoy practising ugly maps.

Hey, schedule and map pool has just been released, check them out here

Map Pool
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu_World_Cup_2013#Semi-finals
Pack will be up soon TM

Schedule
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu_World_Cup_20 ... h_Schedule

Captains will be noticed shortly.

//I am so late, everyone noticed already kk

I've only played the first 2 maps, Cruel Clocks and Sonata, but that difference in difficulty is huuuuuugggeee. As in, Cruel Clocks is cake compared to Sonata.

Michi wrote:

Andrea wrote:

That was another nice match, good job guys.

Are you fucking joking? What the fuck.

You should calm down and stop taking things too seriously, don't forget that this is just a game.

And yes, it was entertaining to watch despite the connection issues, I'm saying you guys did a good match, not a bad one.

Andrea wrote:

And yes, it was entertaining to watch despite the connection issues, I'm saying you guys did a good match, not a bad one.

connection issues ddos
entertaining: truly

Not sure if it's a good or bad thing that I know all the maps aside from 2 of them. Overused maps or too few maps to choose from.

I request that MuryokuP - Sweet Sweet Cendrillon Drug will be replaced by another map
As I already noted in the map thread, 01:49:169 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - this stream, starting on a blue tick and being totally random and impossible to anticipate is like impossible to get SS on, especially with Hard Rock and if you don't know it's coming

Yay my map in the next mappool~

Zarerion wrote:

I request that MuryokuP - Sweet Sweet Cendrillon Drug will be replaced by another map
As I already noted in the map thread, 01:49:169 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - this stream, starting on a blue tick and being totally random and impossible to anticipate is like impossible to get SS on, especially with Hard Rock and if you don't know it's coming

Yes please, it's also a DT map. Please not for semis.

Zarerion wrote:

I request that MuryokuP - Sweet Sweet Cendrillon Drug will be replaced by another map
As I already noted in the map thread, 01:49:169 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - this stream, starting on a blue tick and being totally random and impossible to anticipate is like impossible to get SS on, especially with Hard Rock and if you don't know it's coming

i dont really see the problem? i could sightread it just fine.
kinda weird that skystar maps are ok but this isnt?

owc4 collection: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/134 ... on/owc4.db

Piotrekol wrote:

owc4 collection: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/134 ... on/owc4.db

Thank god, I missed these for the last match : (

silmarilen wrote:

Zarerion wrote:

I request that MuryokuP - Sweet Sweet Cendrillon Drug will be replaced by another map
As I already noted in the map thread, 01:49:169 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - this stream, starting on a blue tick and being totally random and impossible to anticipate is like impossible to get SS on, especially with Hard Rock and if you don't know it's coming

i dont really see the problem? i could sightread it just fine.
kinda weird that skystar maps are ok but this isnt?

the thing is, this is inconsistent with the rest of the map, it doesn't make sense to the music whatsoever and is most likely not even intentional (at least I hope so)

why would you pick a bad map like dispel

whats wrong with dispel

whats wrong with dispel

This question made me worry.

whats wrong with dispel

whats wrong with dispel

whats wrong with dispel

Yes

im serious i see nothing wrong with it o_o

whats wrong with dispel

moo

Dear God, stop complaining about everything guys. xD

silmarilen wrote:

i dont really see the problem? i could sightread it just fine.
kinda weird that skystar maps are ok but this isnt?

Its not about difficulty, its about a mapping error that got noticed too late after ranking for the map to get unranked and fixed.

Chewu wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

i dont really see the problem? i could sightread it just fine.
kinda weird that skystar maps are ok but this isnt?

Its not about difficulty, its about a mapping error that got noticed too late after ranking for the map to get unranked and fixed.

qft

It's not like you can't practice the maps beforehand....

omg, pavor nocturnus in freemod pool and we're out of the tournament. I'm so sad...

Loctav wrote:

It's not like you can't practice the maps beforehand....

It's not like you can actually take a deep look at the maps before choosing them..
Also, it's not like you can actually listen to the people complaining instead of giving them vague answers and just ignore.

Loctav wrote:

It's not like you can't practice the maps beforehand....

Let's pick mtmcl maps then. There's nothing wrong with mtmcl maps you can just practice them right..?

they did that in owc1

What's even the issue with exchanging it?
Deep Sea was swapped before, now this should be too, for, in my opinion, obvious reasons. You can't just pick downright broken maps for an official tournament and then expect the players to adapt to it

why wasn't egoism [nold] picked

yay i see your ass in fire
/me runs

Why would you waste your time on making a troll pool?

I don't think it took him much time. He probably just picked some random maps out of nowhere and set them to random categories.

aka stop complaining, do it better

I think I would do it better.

At least I'd devote several hours picking those maps and asked some players for advice.


#edit:

Played all the maps.

tutuhaha again shows that she deserves the title: worst mapper of the year. Children Record beats Saten's Kokou no Sousei in terms of being total shit <clap> <clap> <clap>


From NoMods Disconnected Hardkore shouldn't even be ranked.

HardRock bracket ok apart from strange streams in Cendrillion.

DT is meh, but no complaints this time. Just don't like the maps, but are ok for the owc.

I said enough about Dispel earlier, pls unrank this.

I was wondering why ppl wanted Ivaltek nomod so much. Seems like the AR was the only reason since the map isn't good at all. But well, freemod is ok.

Don't blame me, since this time I almost didn't pick any map of this mappool , I was planning to do it on Sunday though but when I woke up it was released already, so meh.

Still can't get over Japan's lost. Awwwwww

But anyway, go POLAND!!

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I think I would do it better.

I vote AmaiHachimitsu for map selector next year.

Darksonic wrote:

Don't blame me, since this time I almost didn't pick any map of this mappool , I was planning to do it on Sunday though but when I woke up it was released already, so meh.

Then prepare it for next week, don't do it just a few hours in advance. And this also proves there is zero communication between the map selectors, I thought you'd be selecting them together.

I vote AmaiHachimitsu for map selector next year.

If it wasn't for the unability to participate in the tournament, I'd take on this job

Blame me. I've been afk since group stage.

prepare mapsets in advance, before the tournament starts, then you can afk as much as you want \:D/

Wishy wrote:

Blame me. I've been afk since group stage.

Yeh. Shame on you!

YYYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssss.

Moonpower wrote:

Then prepare it for next week, don't do it just a few hours in advance. And this also proves there is zero communication between the map selectors, I thought you'd be selecting them together.

Not enough time, I have my reasons.

jesus1412 wrote:

YYYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssss.

dat 69

Wishy I blame you.

No this is peppys fault. I blame him.

Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (gowww) [Insane]
#2: no-mod
#3: hidden
#4: hardrock
#5: doubletime???

pretty intense, didn't expect UK to get that far.

Ok, I didn't want this to end up here, but I can't seem to find any place for it anymore. Loctav isn't answering my PMs, perhaps he will read this.

I asked Loctav for a postpone of our match, because of Poland's inability to play on the next weekend. Obviously my request got rejected, even though the match is a semi-final and the organizers should do everything in their power to get the strongest rosters of all the teams into the game.

Ok, I gave up my hopes for a match during the week/next weekend. Loctav said he's planning the matches to be played on the next Sunday (I was talking with him Sunday evening, before releasing the schedule). Surprisingly next day I found out our match was put on Saturday, without our knowledge, and Saturday is the day when 3 of our players can't even be online at. I asked him immediately to put our match on Sunday (via forum PM), didn't get any response. I asked him again that evening when he was online, replying me that he can't change the schedule anymore, because 3 of 4 teams have agreed on Saturday, so why would he make an exception for 1 remaining team?. Yeah, sounds fucking stupid, right? Especially when we were not noticed the match was going to be moved from Sunday to Saturday.

This is obviously not the best part. The other mighty argument of Loctav was that Taiwan couldn't play at Sunday. So I decided to talk with the Taiwan's captain, Uan, privately to sort things out and find the best option for both of the teams so our best rosters face each other. After some time talking, Uan agreed on Sunday (I'm very thankful for that, I know they also don't have much freetime during the weekend). The only thing is that Loctav didn't agree on postponing the match even after both teams agreed on a fitting time. He replied to Rucker with such statement, but not to me (I PM'd him 1 minute after Rucker, PMing him in-game right now for ~3 hours as well), thus I write it here because I don't know where else.

Now my question, is this even fair? Should the organizers be so damn strict about the times at all costs during the semi-finals, even if it means a team losing with a walkover or playing with backups only? My trying to postpone this match is going on for 3 days, and I haven't been supported by the staff anyhow, not one fucking bit.

I hope for some positive reaction and support from others, I don't know where should I aim at anymore. I want the match to be as good as possible and the result as accurate.

If both teams agreed to the change, then I agree that the change should go ahead, pending confirmation on commentator / streamer availability. Just my two cents

remeber last year's match for 3rd place?
oh yeah, there wasnt one, because they didnt allow a postpone of the match so we could have 4 people online.
it sucks that they wont allow you to play with your best team, but at least you get to play.

Well, if the match is not postponed then I guess we will play it on Sunday without the stream, if that's the huge problem of the staff members. I only hope Taiwan agrees on this.

edit: the accurate result is more important than having the match streamed, imo

silmarilen wrote:

remeber last year's match for 3rd place?
oh yeah, there wasnt one, because they didnt allow a postpone of the match so we could have 4 people online.
it sucks that they wont allow you to play with your best team, but at least you get to play.

Also I'm writing here to avoid such situation, because it's the wrong way out of it.

As to clear out how we were fooled by Loctie (1st of farto's long paragraphs).



Basically, we were waiting for the schedule peacefully because Loctav said the matches would be on Sunday. And then suddenly fk Poland, Saturday, without notifying us. And since it was already scheduled, we couldn't change it.

"I've changed my mind"

This <3 much

I'd like to know why can't we postpone the match even though Taiwan (<3) agreed on this. Some logical reason.

Just don't say again that "you have life" and we - always playing nerds - have to subjugate to unfitting time at your whim.

Also, what would be the problem with postponing it next week, for example? And move the finals as well?


I don't know what's going on in your mind Loctav, but you act like you were so offended by farto's insults (I don't know what kind of, but it's not important) and just want revenge. And in the end you will have a crappy match (or walkover) with substitute roster and lot of flame towards you and the whole organization.

For whom does the tournament exist? Answers may be various but I guess it's not for the organizers only.

I'd like Peppy to say something about this issue. And I beg for support from other countries, be it players or simple spectators. I'm pretty sure you all want to watch a good match rather than shit 5:0 in 20 minutes because some guy didn't like to have the match on Sunday.


Waiting for your reasoning.

if both teams agreed why not

eldnl wrote:

if both teams agreed why not

because loctav, duh

And yeah, sorry for the insults there. I was genuinely pissed off of this situation already, tend to react too emotionally.

I would rather play on Sunday.

EDIT: Why was it moved to Saturday, I'm not happy with this.

EDIT2: Neither is my team apparently, we wouldn't have even known it was Saturday.

I would also rather play on Sunday.

Haven't been around for the first two owc's, but is this happening every year?

typical Loctav actions + reasoning, its the same when i talk to him about hackers, hes just like "an apparently correct accusation is still an accusation"

no reason to be such a dick to lie to farto, apparently UK wants to play on sunday too? :d

>w< desu!

postpone the match n00bs

I don't really see what's the problem on it.

The problem is that Loctav hates the Polish team for whatever reason he has and doesn't give a single shit that most of our players cannot play at the time they didn't agree to play at. That and he doesn't want to postpone it to Sunday, even with both teams' agreement.

Zarerion wrote:

Haven't been around for the first two owc's, but is this happening every year?

No, only on #3 and #4, coincidentally managed by the same person...

Also,

Ciunek wrote:

The problem is that Loctav hates the Polish team

Loctav doesn't hate anyone - he just doesn't care about what anyone else thinks about the tournament - he's running it for himself and his own expectations.

Blue Dragon wrote:

Loctav doesn't hate anyone

Hates everyone*

Well I suppose I'm talking to a brick wall saying that, but the osu! world cup is supposed to be a "fun" event for many people, not only the participants. By watching streams and commentators and discussing maps and players everyone can contribute in a way.
This means that the organizing person(s) need to arrange it in a way which is fun to the highest amount of people, which I suppose is what Loctav is trying to do, so please consider that he isn't in an easy position. A shitton of people getting mad right now isn't gonna help anyone. You're just putting more pressure on Loctav, and people tend to be even less likely to cooperate when being insulted.

In any case, this doesn't mean farto isn't right with what he says. From what is known to the public (including the affected team), Loctav didn't really explain anything.
This game is run by the community, so is this tournament, so if there's anything going wrong the whole community should be informed. I'm saying, OWC staff should really be a tad more transparent, so we actually understand what's going on.
Why can't the match be postponed when both teams agreed on it? Is it the streamers being unavailable, or the commentators? If what we really want to get is the best experience for everyone, weh should aim to make the match possible with the best team rosters, so it is an actually fair game between the strongest players of these countries.
As Kamui said, in Group stage where a lot of different matches had to be organized it's understandable that a single change means a huge impact on the whole schedule, but this would only affect one of two matches, so what exactly IS the reason for not postponing it? (Yes, I strongly assume there is a reason aside from "Has been scheduled like that, no change because rules")

cptnXn wrote:

typical Loctav actions + reasoning, its the same when i talk to him about hackers, hes just like "an apparently correct accusation is still an accusation"

interesting coming from you :^)

so what exactly IS the reason for not postponing it? (Yes, I strongly assume there is a reason aside from "Has been scheduled like that, no change because rules")

If the reason was obvious and openly acceptable by everyone, he would just spit it out.

I think he has his reasons, but are a bit selfish or not acceptable by the community.

This means that the organizing person(s) need to arrange it in a way which is fun to the highest amount of people, which I suppose is what Loctav is trying to do, so please consider that he isn't in an easy position

I have the feeling that OWC's main aim is to lure newcomers (and possibly, osu! supporters) so those, who actually know this and that about the game aren't as important. This is why a match with Polish substitute roster would be still ok, we would just lose 1,2 thousands of viewers, most of them being experienced players. Saturday is an excellent day to watch the the match. Everyone is winning apart from participants and, of course, the sportsmanship and fairplay






I presuppose Loctav is pregnant.





#EDIT: Jappy pls stop

quality moderation o/

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

so what exactly IS the reason for not postponing it? (Yes, I strongly assume there is a reason aside from "Has been scheduled like that, no change because rules")

If the reason was obvious and openly acceptable by everyone, he would just spit it out.

I think he has his reasons, but are a bit selfish or not acceptable by the community.







I presuppose Loctav is pregnant.





#EDIT: Jappy pls stop

Why not just play on Sunday too and then we can carry on as if it were the official match unofficially. I'd be happy to play an extra round at the end if the outcome is different (unofficial OWC match).

Why not just play on Sunday too and then we can carry on as if it were the official match unofficially. I'd be happy to play an extra round at the end if the outcome is different (unofficial OWC match).

We could













But WWW wants the tablet so badly : DDDDD

Well if you convince Korea we can have a little strike there. The tournament is not going to run without the teams.

#mastermind #evilplans #fightforjustice

Uh... I didn't know it was Saturday just now and I'll be away then.
I'd prefer Sunday.

This does sound a bit fishy but I'll reserve my thoughts on the matter until I hear a proper explaination by Loctav. If something like this is going on then there better be a good reason for it. Else just change it and make the viewers happy lockie?

The official reason is that Taiwan can't play at Sunday, period. That's what Loctav told me last time. This argument doesn't work anymore as said before, so there should be absolutely no reason not to postpone the match. Even if there was some kind of hidden reasoning I think the captains of both teams should've been notified about it in the first place.

Also Loctav seems to avoid posting here with proper explanations, he was online for some time today.

fartownik wrote:

Well if you convince Korea we can have a little strike there. The tournament is not going to run without the teams.

#mastermind #evilplans #fightforjustice

my thoughts exactly huehuehue

This is getting interesting o:

no drama no owc

#owcdrama