I modded this before it was cool 8)
Mentioned some really good points. Thank you for modding Firce!Firce777 wrote:
SPOILER[Kantan]
00:43:022 - add x? I want to keep it simple.
00:58:022 - add x? ^
[Futsuu]
00:23:932 (1,2) - move to 00:23:704 - ? Good idea, but I think I will keep it as it is.
00:27:568 (1,2) - move to 00:27:341 - ? ^
00:50:522 (1) - x? Followed a certain beat, changing it out of the sudden due to vocal mapping is questionable.
01:17:568 - add x?
01:18:477 - add x, and remove 01:18:704 (4) - ?
01:24:841 - add x?
01:18:477 - same as 01:18:477 - . add x, and remove 01:25:977 (3) - ? Meh, sorry Firce. I won't add any notes, the Futsuu would become in the kiai a bit hard. It would be one coherently pattern without any break.
[Muzukashii]
00:08:818 (1,2) - move to 00:08:818 ? changed.
00:10:636 (1,2) - same as 00:08:818 (1,2) - changed.
00:56:545 (3) - remove this? Sounds better in this way imo.
01:10:182 (2) - ^ not sure about it to be honest. For now I will keep it.
00:15:295~00:21:659 - Changed a bit the patterns.
[Oni]
00:55:522 - add o? Good!
00:56:204 - ^ I think adding one note is enough.
00:56:432 (2,3,4,5,6) - xxoox? Let me see if the next modder has some opinion about this one.
[Inner Oni]
00:44:386 (1) - ~ 00:47:568 (1) - ?
00:48:023 (1) - ~ 00:51:205 (1) - ?
^ Changed in a similar way.
00:51:659 (2) - 00:56:886 (1) - i think this part doesn't fit the song well, consider to remap this? okay
01:00:409 (2,1) - move to 01:00:522 - ? I'm fine with it as it is.
01:02:227 (2,1) - ^ ^
01:03:136 - add x ? okay
01:04:272 - ^ okay
01:07:682 (2,1) - same as 01:00:409 (2,1) -
01:09:500 (2,1) - ^ as above
01:10:295 (1,2,1,1) - oooox? Hm, not bad idea, but I'm fine with it as it is.
good luck~
05:45 OnosakiHito: So I think we can start...?
05:45 Love: ye lol
05:46 Love: lets start with inner, see if I can find anything here
05:46 OnosakiHito: Okay.
05:46 Love: 00:15:295 (2) - Should use a finisher here, just to start out this part
05:47 OnosakiHito: Many people told me that already, but I refused everytime since I'm someone who dosen't like to use finisher at the beginning of a pattern.
05:47 Love: alrighty then, reasonable lol
05:48 Love: alright, about transitioning to this part 00:22:568
05:48 Love: 00:22:568 -
05:48 OnosakiHito: Even thought the suffix for "finisher" is rather osu based, I still use it as the name say for the "finish/end".
05:49 Love: one thing that kinda weirds me out is the amount of power you're putting into starting a transition
05:49 Love: but you pause in the middle of this 00:18:477 -
05:49 OnosakiHito: Oh, true.
05:50 Love: like for this 00:21:886 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -
05:50 Love: you can just use kkd k d
05:50 Love: and you can add kk here 00:18:704 -
05:50 Love: or kdd
05:51 Love: and same goes here 00:25:977 - but instead use dd or d
05:52 OnosakiHito: Yeah, somehow I didn't saw the inconsietent because I wanted a reverse pattern of 00:20:636 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
05:52 OnosakiHito: I kept at 00:22:341 -
05:52 OnosakiHito: a gap, like before.
05:52 OnosakiHito: Should be fine?
05:52 Love: yeah
05:52 OnosakiHito: because I want to prevent having a too high diff spread between Oni and Inner.
05:53 Love: oh, what I said makes things a little bit easier lol
06:04 OnosakiHito: Great timing database.
06:04 OnosakiHito: lol
06:05 Love: XD soz bathroom
06:05 Love: anyways yeah
06:05 Love: now that I see the rest of your transitions, I'm a bit happier XD
06:05 *OnosakiHito is away: ill - going offfline soon
06:05 OnosakiHito: Cool.
06:06 Love: thing that worries me is just the pauses, I'm looking at the bookmarks, and it's usually half way where you transition
06:06 OnosakiHito: (don't mind the automsg)
06:06 Love: why not fill the blanks so that it doesn't interfere with the transitions
06:06 Love: and I'm not XP
06:07 Love: kinda like this 00:36:432 (1,1,1,2) -
06:08 OnosakiHito: Oh you mean, what worries you is where I start with some patterns? E.g. instead at the beginning of a stanza,
06:08 OnosakiHito: I start a bit earlier with coherent notes?
06:09 Love: just the pauses, it's in the middle of nowhere
06:09 Love: with no transition
06:10 Love: then you should transition with a pause
06:10 OnosakiHito: Ah, I see.
06:10 OnosakiHito: So it would be better to delete note 00:36:886 (1) - ?
06:10 OnosakiHito: Just as example.
06:10 Love: nah, that's perfect
06:10 Love: like fill this 00:18:704 -
06:11 Love: then you leave 00:22:341 - blank
06:11 Love: fill this 00:47:795 -
06:12 Love: and since you're transitioning a little here 00:51:432 - leave it blank XD
06:12 OnosakiHito: Now I understand.
06:13 OnosakiHito: Yes, that's actually not a bad idea, but the problem was that I'm worried about the difficulty spread.
06:13 Love: dw, you're filling with one note
06:13 OnosakiHito: Oni has still many gaps in it.
06:13 OnosakiHito: So if I would reduce the gaps in Inner, it might get high.
06:13 Love: like I said, one note, the spread is pretty much the same lol
06:14 OnosakiHito: Maybe I'm too narrowed with the spread...?
06:14 OnosakiHito: lol
06:14 Love: yeah, you should think a little bit unlinear XD
06:16 Love: on to one more thing
06:16 Love: 01:11:886 (1,2,1,1,1) - maybe you should use kkddk, it sounds pretty awesome with the other dd's you have going
06:17 OnosakiHito: Well, I have one more reason for this. But that's the last reason for it. After that let's see how to move on: I made four pattern-packs which ended four times due to the... I think it is the main beat? While the high pitch sounds are the background.
06:17 OnosakiHito: Changed to kkddk
06:17 OnosakiHito: sounds much better, indeed.
06:17 Love: well then XD
06:18 Love: like, the pauses are completely fine
06:18 Love: but it keeps in tune with the melody
06:19 Love: like, notice how the melody here is pretty low 00:51:432 -
06:19 Love: that can be spaced out, no one will notice it
06:19 Love: but when you look at 00:47:795 - it's clearly there
06:20 OnosakiHito: I will add at these parts notes.
06:20 OnosakiHito: Because I think it is a nice rise as well.
06:20 Love: XP
06:20 OnosakiHito: First four gaps, and after that two left.
06:21 OnosakiHito: Also, I think it fits better in this part, as you suggested it.
06:21 Love: yeah, since the other parts are cluttered lol
06:22 OnosakiHito: So... I've added at 00:47:795 - a note and at
06:22 OnosakiHito: 00:55:068 - right ?
06:22 Love: ya
06:22 OnosakiHito: K, changed~
06:22 Love: :3
06:23 Love: k, looking at oni real quick
06:25 OnosakiHito: ok
06:26 Love: hmm
06:26 Love: one thing I have to say
06:26 Love: you should introduce simple doubles for the oni
06:26 OnosakiHito: I agree.
06:26 OnosakiHito: I will do so pretty soon.
06:27 Love: alright
06:27 Love: other than that, it's pretty solid
06:27 OnosakiHito: Ah, good to hear.
06:27 Love: and again these 00:47:795 -
06:28 Love: since 00:55:068 - is filled
06:28 OnosakiHito: filled.
06:30 Love: muzu is fine
06:31 Love: love what you did with the kiai, after using k ddd k you used k d d k to smooth it out
06:43 OnosakiHito: Let me guess. This time it was my connection, huh.
06:43 OnosakiHito: Sorry for that.
06:44 Love: it's ok
06:45 Love: every other diff is fine
06:45 Love: but maybe use hp4 on kantan
06:46 Love: since hp3 will make people pass in like, 20 notes
06:46 Love: something like that
06:48 OnosakiHito: I think I can do it this time.
06:48 Love: 35 to pass
06:48 Love: hp4 will probably need like 50
06:49 OnosakiHito: changed to hp4.
06:49 OnosakiHito: Updated map.
06:49 OnosakiHito: As I said, I will add some two plets in the Oni.
06:50 Love: I heard XP
06:50 OnosakiHito: Or change tripplets in two plets. Dunno. We will see. :p
06:50 Love: XD
Asked some BATs. Right now the opinion is that most maps go with the circle since it is just like a group name, which means that the artist is included there.happy30 wrote:
CYTOKINE is no artist.
Similarly to Syrufit and Alstroemeria Records, I believe this circle should have the same artist format.
In the case of this song, it should be. "Linjin ft. Itori" (arranger ft. vocalist)
Those circles you mentioned (afaik) don't really play around with guestarrangers too much, meaning that with every song they produce the artists are pretty much the same. However with circles like ZYTOKINE there are a lot of guestarrangers/remixers/vocalists.Lanturn wrote:
So wait.. we don't use the circle name for the artist considering they're the ones who made the album?
So we'd have to switch say, This song ( https://osu.ppy.sh/s/11264 ) from eastnewsound to Kokucho
or even this song that was ranked a couple days ago Dark Phoenix to Yu, Shion Himekawa
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/123871
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNgcOHrRI6Q (sorry this isn't the best source, but its more about getting the point out there)
The arranger shouldn't the artist, it should be the circle, like we've done with the vocalists lately
Hold on.. I haven't found a track yet that wasn't arranged by Linjin from Zytokine. (VGMDB, youtube videos, etc.) so that really doesn't make sense.happy30 wrote:
Those circles you mentioned (afaik) don't really play around with guestarrangers too much, meaning that with every song they produce the artists are pretty much the same. However with circles like ZYTOKINE there are a lot of guestarrangers/remixers/vocalists.
http://puu.sh/5Onym.jpg ggLanturn wrote:
Hold on.. I haven't found a track yet that wasn't arranged by Linjin from Zytokine. (VGMDB, youtube videos, etc.) so that really doesn't make sense.
itori, mei ayakura, nachi sakaue etc don't fall under these circles, I think they should be mentioned in the artist if the arranger is put there too.Lanturn wrote:
Also what is the difference between guest arrangers and guest vocalists? We still put them (the vocalists at least) under the circle name from that rule change awhile ago. (more addressed to the hatsune miku stuff, but it applied to Touhou songs as well)
Lanturn wrote:
(also, ENS actually is one of the biggest circles out there to use lots and lots of arrangers, http://vgmdb.net/album/40721 for example, Maybe we should make a thread in the Ranking Criteria?)