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OnosakiHito

_Gezo_ wrote:

SPOILER
Here we go.

[Tags]
How come Elly-chan is still present? Unless she's done a diff there, I really recommend you to remove that one.
Tag recommendations, but not a must:
  1. Apparitions stalk the night, for an appearance in kiai.
  2. version, since you used "ver.", as version is the full word (even though we almost never see that in older maps)
Changed the tags.

Timing is a bit off, but I might be tricked since I actually got 3ms late at most while testing.
I hit too early... hm. I will see what the next modder is going to say.

The rest is okay so let's move on diffs. Yeah, diffs. There might be few suggestions, that you may deny without providing a reason if you find it too silly.

[Kantan]
Since the rhythm in 00:42:568 (1,2) - is the same as 00:35:295 (1,2,3) - , why not making these two patterns consistent between each other?
Didn't use three kats because the up coming part provides them. So I kept it simple.

I really couldn't find anything else; it's a very solid diff you got there.

[Futsuu]
00:15:295 (2,1,1,1,1,2,3,1,1,1,1,1,2,3) - Since I think 00:22:568 (1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1) - comes from the highlighted pattern, I think it would be better making it consistent between themselves (1/1-wise, you can keep the 1/2 on the second part.)
If you don't know which notes I'm precisely talking about, these are 00:17:568 (2) - and 00:21:204 (2) -
Needed some moments before I change it, but since someone else didn't like them much I will listen to your suggestion.

Same as Kantan, very solid.

[Muzukashii]
At first sight, I had the impression that it was an easier Oni. Not saying that it was one. Hm, I agree. I think I'm going to make a new Muzukashii.
01:02:795 (1,2,3) - You've used kkd numerous times before, why not here? Is that to make a don pattern of 2 notes ? the pattern kkd is really hard, so I wanted to keep it a bit simple by using a kkk as well. Also trying to emphasize note 01:04:841 (1) - in this way.
01:03:704 (1,2,1) - ^ same here (I think it used to be kkd before) ^
From 01:13:477 (1) - , I think it's a bit empty due to the absence of notes as in 01:13:932 - , 01:15:750 - , 01:21:204 - ... You miss a snare, I think.
Well, all intentionally so I want to keep it in this way.

Another solid map there, that's something I really like. However as I said, it feels like an Oni at times.

[Oni]
00:29:159 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - I find that too bad that there's no finish at the end, but either way, I think that would break the whole pattern, unless jirostyle allows for big notes at the end of streams (which would surprise me) well due to pattern constellation and the dislike of using finishers at the beginning of a stanza I keep it as it is.
00:44:386 (1) - Big don here ? We clearly hear a crash, that wouldn't be too much. Same as before. At 00:29:841 (1) - is also none, only at 00:57:113 (1) - which is at the end of the whole pattern section.

Oh man. That's one overly solid mapset. Good job!
Okay, I didn't used many suggestion, but I think the reason for it is clear.
Still, even the points which I didn't applied were a good though, so I'm happy you checked it.
Going to make a new Muzukashii since the current one is rather Easy-Oni level.

Thank you Gezo!
Yuzeyun
Since you've made a new Muzukashii, and I accepted, here's the mod for the new Muzukashii. Of course, I will ask you to leave this mod without kudo.

[(new) Muzukashii]
I haven't pointed this out to the other diffs, but I really like the color inversions.
However, some of them aren't total color inversions, but a bit tweaked. I bet this was intentional so I'll only post suggestions if some of them sound wrong. (Welp I'm finding none)

(Welp I'm finding nothing)

This map, although pretty simple, is extremely solid! I hope you rank that very soon.

[Off-mod]
Can you give me the original picture you used for the map? I might use that later, especially for a stepmania chart.
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Hahahaha, thank you Gezo!
I will PM you the BG soon.
happy30
CYTOKINE is no artist.
Similarly to Syrufit and Alstroemeria Records, I believe this circle should have the same artist format.
In the case of this song, it should be. "Linjin ft. Itori" (arranger ft. vocalist)
Firce777
[Kantan]
00:43:022 - add x?
00:58:022 - add x?

[Futsuu]
00:23:932 (1,2) - move to 00:23:704 - ?
00:27:568 (1,2) - move to 00:27:341 - ?
00:50:522 (1) - x?
01:17:568 - add x?
01:18:477 - add x, and remove 01:18:704 (4) - ?
01:24:841 - add x?
01:18:477 - same as 01:18:477 - . add x, and remove 01:25:977 (3) - ?

[Muzukashii]
00:08:818 (1,2) - move to 00:08:818 ?
00:10:636 (1,2) - same as 00:08:818 (1,2) -
00:56:545 (3) - remove this?
01:10:182 (2) - ^

[Oni]
00:55:522 - add o?
00:56:204 - ^
00:56:432 (2,3,4,5,6) - xxoox?

[Inner Oni]
00:44:386 (1) - ~ 00:47:568 (1) - ?
00:48:023 (1) - ~ 00:51:205 (1) - ?
00:51:659 (2) - 00:56:886 (1) - i think this part doesn't fit the song well, consider to remap this? :?
01:00:409 (2,1) - move to 01:00:522 - ?
01:02:227 (2,1) - ^
01:03:136 - add x ?
01:04:272 - ^
01:07:682 (2,1) - same as 01:00:409 (2,1) -
01:09:500 (2,1) - ^
01:10:295 (1,2,1,1) - oooox?

good luck~
-Kazu-
I modded this before it was cool 8)
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito

Firce777 wrote:

SPOILER
[Kantan]
00:43:022 - add x? I want to keep it simple.
00:58:022 - add x? ^

[Futsuu]
00:23:932 (1,2) - move to 00:23:704 - ? Good idea, but I think I will keep it as it is.
00:27:568 (1,2) - move to 00:27:341 - ? ^
00:50:522 (1) - x? Followed a certain beat, changing it out of the sudden due to vocal mapping is questionable.
01:17:568 - add x?
01:18:477 - add x, and remove 01:18:704 (4) - ?
01:24:841 - add x?
01:18:477 - same as 01:18:477 - . add x, and remove 01:25:977 (3) - ? Meh, sorry Firce. I won't add any notes, the Futsuu would become in the kiai a bit hard. It would be one coherently pattern without any break.

[Muzukashii]
00:08:818 (1,2) - move to 00:08:818 ? changed.
00:10:636 (1,2) - same as 00:08:818 (1,2) - changed.
00:56:545 (3) - remove this? Sounds better in this way imo.
01:10:182 (2) - ^ not sure about it to be honest. For now I will keep it.

00:15:295~00:21:659 - Changed a bit the patterns.

[Oni]
00:55:522 - add o? Good!
00:56:204 - ^ I think adding one note is enough.
00:56:432 (2,3,4,5,6) - xxoox? Let me see if the next modder has some opinion about this one.

[Inner Oni]
00:44:386 (1) - ~ 00:47:568 (1) - ?
00:48:023 (1) - ~ 00:51:205 (1) - ?
^ Changed in a similar way.
00:51:659 (2) - 00:56:886 (1) - i think this part doesn't fit the song well, consider to remap this? :? okay
01:00:409 (2,1) - move to 01:00:522 - ? I'm fine with it as it is.
01:02:227 (2,1) - ^ ^
01:03:136 - add x ? okay
01:04:272 - ^ okay
01:07:682 (2,1) - same as 01:00:409 (2,1) -
01:09:500 (2,1) - ^ as above
01:10:295 (1,2,1,1) - oooox? Hm, not bad idea, but I'm fine with it as it is.

good luck~
Mentioned some really good points. Thank you for modding Firce!
Love
Woowoo

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05:45 OnosakiHito: So I think we can start...?
05:45 Love: ye lol
05:46 Love: lets start with inner, see if I can find anything here
05:46 OnosakiHito: Okay.
05:46 Love: 00:15:295 (2) - Should use a finisher here, just to start out this part
05:47 OnosakiHito: Many people told me that already, but I refused everytime since I'm someone who dosen't like to use finisher at the beginning of a pattern.
05:47 Love: alrighty then, reasonable lol
05:48 Love: alright, about transitioning to this part 00:22:568
05:48 Love: 00:22:568 -
05:48 OnosakiHito: Even thought the suffix for "finisher" is rather osu based, I still use it as the name say for the "finish/end".
05:49 Love: one thing that kinda weirds me out is the amount of power you're putting into starting a transition
05:49 Love: but you pause in the middle of this 00:18:477 -
05:49 OnosakiHito: Oh, true.
05:50 Love: like for this 00:21:886 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -
05:50 Love: you can just use kkd k d
05:50 Love: and you can add kk here 00:18:704 -
05:50 Love: or kdd
05:51 Love: and same goes here 00:25:977 - but instead use dd or d
05:52 OnosakiHito: Yeah, somehow I didn't saw the inconsietent because I wanted a reverse pattern of 00:20:636 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
05:52 OnosakiHito: I kept at 00:22:341 -
05:52 OnosakiHito: a gap, like before.
05:52 OnosakiHito: Should be fine?
05:52 Love: yeah
05:52 OnosakiHito: because I want to prevent having a too high diff spread between Oni and Inner.
05:53 Love: oh, what I said makes things a little bit easier lol
06:04 OnosakiHito: Great timing database.
06:04 OnosakiHito: lol
06:05 Love: XD soz bathroom
06:05 Love: anyways yeah
06:05 Love: now that I see the rest of your transitions, I'm a bit happier XD
06:05 *OnosakiHito is away: ill - going offfline soon
06:05 OnosakiHito: Cool.
06:06 Love: thing that worries me is just the pauses, I'm looking at the bookmarks, and it's usually half way where you transition
06:06 OnosakiHito: (don't mind the automsg)
06:06 Love: why not fill the blanks so that it doesn't interfere with the transitions
06:06 Love: and I'm not XP
06:07 Love: kinda like this 00:36:432 (1,1,1,2) -
06:08 OnosakiHito: Oh you mean, what worries you is where I start with some patterns? E.g. instead at the beginning of a stanza,
06:08 OnosakiHito: I start a bit earlier with coherent notes?
06:09 Love: just the pauses, it's in the middle of nowhere
06:09 Love: with no transition
06:10 Love: then you should transition with a pause
06:10 OnosakiHito: Ah, I see.
06:10 OnosakiHito: So it would be better to delete note 00:36:886 (1) - ?
06:10 OnosakiHito: Just as example.
06:10 Love: nah, that's perfect
06:10 Love: like fill this 00:18:704 -
06:11 Love: then you leave 00:22:341 - blank
06:11 Love: fill this 00:47:795 -
06:12 Love: and since you're transitioning a little here 00:51:432 - leave it blank XD
06:12 OnosakiHito: Now I understand.
06:13 OnosakiHito: Yes, that's actually not a bad idea, but the problem was that I'm worried about the difficulty spread.
06:13 Love: dw, you're filling with one note
06:13 OnosakiHito: Oni has still many gaps in it.
06:13 OnosakiHito: So if I would reduce the gaps in Inner, it might get high.
06:13 Love: like I said, one note, the spread is pretty much the same lol
06:14 OnosakiHito: Maybe I'm too narrowed with the spread...?
06:14 OnosakiHito: lol
06:14 Love: yeah, you should think a little bit unlinear XD
06:16 Love: on to one more thing
06:16 Love: 01:11:886 (1,2,1,1,1) - maybe you should use kkddk, it sounds pretty awesome with the other dd's you have going
06:17 OnosakiHito: Well, I have one more reason for this. But that's the last reason for it. After that let's see how to move on: I made four pattern-packs which ended four times due to the... I think it is the main beat? While the high pitch sounds are the background.
06:17 OnosakiHito: Changed to kkddk
06:17 OnosakiHito: sounds much better, indeed.
06:17 Love: well then XD
06:18 Love: like, the pauses are completely fine
06:18 Love: but it keeps in tune with the melody
06:19 Love: like, notice how the melody here is pretty low 00:51:432 -
06:19 Love: that can be spaced out, no one will notice it
06:19 Love: but when you look at 00:47:795 - it's clearly there
06:20 OnosakiHito: I will add at these parts notes.
06:20 OnosakiHito: Because I think it is a nice rise as well.
06:20 Love: XP
06:20 OnosakiHito: First four gaps, and after that two left.
06:21 OnosakiHito: Also, I think it fits better in this part, as you suggested it.
06:21 Love: yeah, since the other parts are cluttered lol
06:22 OnosakiHito: So... I've added at 00:47:795 - a note and at
06:22 OnosakiHito: 00:55:068 - right ?
06:22 Love: ya
06:22 OnosakiHito: K, changed~
06:22 Love: :3
06:23 Love: k, looking at oni real quick
06:25 OnosakiHito: ok
06:26 Love: hmm
06:26 Love: one thing I have to say
06:26 Love: you should introduce simple doubles for the oni
06:26 OnosakiHito: I agree.
06:26 OnosakiHito: I will do so pretty soon.
06:27 Love: alright
06:27 Love: other than that, it's pretty solid
06:27 OnosakiHito: Ah, good to hear.
06:27 Love: and again these 00:47:795 -
06:28 Love: since 00:55:068 - is filled
06:28 OnosakiHito: filled.
06:30 Love: muzu is fine
06:31 Love: love what you did with the kiai, after using k ddd k you used k d d k to smooth it out
06:43 OnosakiHito: Let me guess. This time it was my connection, huh.
06:43 OnosakiHito: Sorry for that.
06:44 Love: it's ok
06:45 Love: every other diff is fine
06:45 Love: but maybe use hp4 on kantan
06:46 Love: since hp3 will make people pass in like, 20 notes
06:46 Love: something like that
06:48 OnosakiHito: I think I can do it this time.
06:48 Love: 35 to pass
06:48 Love: hp4 will probably need like 50
06:49 OnosakiHito: changed to hp4.
06:49 OnosakiHito: Updated map.
06:49 OnosakiHito: As I said, I will add some two plets in the Oni.
06:50 Love: I heard XP
06:50 OnosakiHito: Or change tripplets in two plets. Dunno. We will see. :p
06:50 Love: XD
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Thank you for your help Love!
Now I'm way more confident about this set.
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito

happy30 wrote:

CYTOKINE is no artist.
Similarly to Syrufit and Alstroemeria Records, I believe this circle should have the same artist format.
In the case of this song, it should be. "Linjin ft. Itori" (arranger ft. vocalist)
Asked some BATs. Right now the opinion is that most maps go with the circle since it is just like a group name, which means that the artist is included there.
I agree with this opinion, but I will add "Linjin ft. Itori" or so into Tags.
happy30
Well, the points is that there are multiple arrangers and vocalists making songs for CYTOKINE which makes it as an artist, pretty useless.
Which include guests from other circles, making your point that "the artist is in there" invalid.

AFAIK, itori is not a member of CYTOKINE.
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
I feel like the master of graveyard.
Stefan

OnosakiHito wrote:

I feel like the master of graveyard.
CDFA
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
CDFA is a lazy kawaii-boy.
I'm a hard worker with proud and sparkle around me!
But big graveyard is watching you.
Loctav
why WIP?
(btw modding it soon)
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
It went to graveyard. After the resurrect I forgot to move to pending again.
Also, it is graveyard again... I will resurrect it pretty soon.
Yuzeyun
WHY, ONO, WHY... ;_;
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Thanks for the third star Gezo~
Loctav
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Thank you for your help and stars Loctav!
I'm glad that you found some issues which we could fix.
Yuzeyun
Nuclear fusion intensifies
happy30
Want to mention this again before the next BAT ranks: http://puu.sh/5qj0V.png
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Didn't forgot about this, but good that you mentioned it. Forgot to give a reminder.
lolcubes
From what I remember, the Artist used in touhou remixes should almost always be the arranger. In this case, this is Linjin.



The other way of using the Artist from what I remember is using the biggest contributor in the circle. In this case, it is, again, Linjin.

Some examples:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/15156
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/20290
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29044
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/48721
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/44628

etc.
All sung by Kotoge Mai, and all are a part of the same circle iirc.
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Okay, I will change the artist with the check / mod of the second BAT.
Irreversible
Go ono /o/
karterfreak
Seconding what Cubes said. Set artist as Linjin and we should be good to go here.
happy30
add the vocalist too at least.
CYTOKINE = Linjin
changing it doesn't make that much sense.

Don't forget the unicode for Linjin, which is 隣人

Also, CYTOKINE has their name currently changed to ZYTOKINE, maybe add it to the tags.
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Happy was the one who mentioned this and since this is an important point I gave him the kudosu.
Changed Artist and Tags, thank you guys!
karterfreak
Tags are changed, so here we go! Ranked!
ryuu
i love this song so much ♥♥♥
but i don't play taiko ;_;
anyway!
congratulations, onosakihito-san ;w;
Lanturn
So wait.. we don't use the circle name for the artist considering they're the ones who made the album?

So we'd have to switch say, This song ( https://osu.ppy.sh/s/11264 ) from eastnewsound to Kokucho

or even this song that was ranked a couple days ago Dark Phoenix to Yu, Shion Himekawa

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/123871
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNgcOHrRI6Q (sorry this isn't the best source, but its more about getting the point out there)

The arranger shouldn't the artist, it should be the circle, like we've done with the vocalists lately
toara_fict
Gretz~
Stefan
More Onobakasaki to play! Yes!╭( ・ㅂ・)و
happy30

Lanturn wrote:

So wait.. we don't use the circle name for the artist considering they're the ones who made the album?

So we'd have to switch say, This song ( https://osu.ppy.sh/s/11264 ) from eastnewsound to Kokucho

or even this song that was ranked a couple days ago Dark Phoenix to Yu, Shion Himekawa

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/123871
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNgcOHrRI6Q (sorry this isn't the best source, but its more about getting the point out there)

The arranger shouldn't the artist, it should be the circle, like we've done with the vocalists lately
Those circles you mentioned (afaik) don't really play around with guestarrangers too much, meaning that with every song they produce the artists are pretty much the same. However with circles like ZYTOKINE there are a lot of guestarrangers/remixers/vocalists.
Lanturn

happy30 wrote:

Those circles you mentioned (afaik) don't really play around with guestarrangers too much, meaning that with every song they produce the artists are pretty much the same. However with circles like ZYTOKINE there are a lot of guestarrangers/remixers/vocalists.
Hold on.. I haven't found a track yet that wasn't arranged by Linjin from Zytokine. (VGMDB, youtube videos, etc.) so that really doesn't make sense.


Also what is the difference between guest arrangers and guest vocalists? We still put them (the vocalists at least) under the circle name from that rule change awhile ago. (more addressed to the hatsune miku stuff, but it applied to Touhou songs as well)


I feel bad for spamming up this thread, but what you said happy makes no sense to me why this song gets this treatment. To me, I see it like it is using an artist's real name or alternate name instead of the band name.


(also, ENS actually is one of the biggest circles out there to use lots and lots of arrangers, http://vgmdb.net/album/40721 for example, Maybe we should make a thread in the Ranking Criteria?)
Kyouren
Gratzz!! OnosakiHito!!^^
Dainesl
eh, this song's alright i guess, but a bit slow. Congrats anyways, OnobakaHito .w.
happy30

Lanturn wrote:

Hold on.. I haven't found a track yet that wasn't arranged by Linjin from Zytokine. (VGMDB, youtube videos, etc.) so that really doesn't make sense.
http://puu.sh/5Onym.jpg gg

Lanturn wrote:

Also what is the difference between guest arrangers and guest vocalists? We still put them (the vocalists at least) under the circle name from that rule change awhile ago. (more addressed to the hatsune miku stuff, but it applied to Touhou songs as well)
itori, mei ayakura, nachi sakaue etc don't fall under these circles, I think they should be mentioned in the artist if the arranger is put there too.

Lanturn wrote:

(also, ENS actually is one of the biggest circles out there to use lots and lots of arrangers, http://vgmdb.net/album/40721 for example, Maybe we should make a thread in the Ranking Criteria?)
A thread for this sounds good. also "ft. vs feat." when to use what? /late
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Anyway, thanks guys. lol
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