I'd rather watch people consistently playing somewhat difficult maps more than getting fucked over by round 1 maps that are harder than finals maps from last year.
specifically what type of player is it favouring?CXu wrote:
Well, my main gripe with the mappool is the lack of variation really. The mappool strongly favors one type of player over another. We're also playing all 3 group stage matches with this mappool afaik, so there's even less variation than last year on that aspect.
I thought we introduced group stages in the first place so that all countries participating would atleast play and enjoy 3 matches? Now, I'm not trying to claim that some countries can't play these maps or anything, but a varied pool would give higher chances for low-tier players to pick maps strategically. Well actually that goes for all teams.
I mean, right now I don't even need to pick a map. I can just hit f2 and play whatever map I get since they're basically the same thing.
i am sure anybody that could play hr consistently and well can play ar10.3Almost wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, the mindset of new single-minded players who only care about speed. I'm not going to question you, but there are many players who are considered top players who can't play AR10.3 insanes.[-Aoi-] wrote:
Focusing on low ar just because OWC will require this is pointless. If you want to rank high you need to play with high ar, if you play with high ar you simply will suck at <ar9. So what is the point to force top players, who play mainly ar10 or higher to play something what is not connected with advancing in ranking? Low AR may be fun, but osu is all about improving speed and fast sightreading, you need to deal with that. If you not consider high rank players as the best in the world then who is best? If osu counted EZ mode as a multiplier like HR (x1,06) playing low ar would be ok, but its's not. As I said earlier, improving unnecessary skill is meaningless when it's only for OWC's purpose.
You can create tournament for low ar players, but don't confuse World Cup with it.
Im just saying that for example someone who play with HR getting 95% have higher score than someone who SS same map without mods. If game is built that way you can't consider AR7 or even 3 players better than AR10+ players, it doesn't mean AR3 is easier than AR10, but if u want to consider ability to play low ar as a additional indicator of being pro, change score system.Almost wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, the mindset of new single-minded players who only care about speed. I'm not going to question you, but there are many players who are considered top players who can't play AR10.3 insanes.
All maps are AR9-AR10buny wrote:
specifically what type of player is it favouring?CXu wrote:
Well, my main gripe with the mappool is the lack of variation really. The mappool strongly favors one type of player over another. We're also playing all 3 group stage matches with this mappool afaik, so there's even less variation than last year on that aspect.
I thought we introduced group stages in the first place so that all countries participating would atleast play and enjoy 3 matches? Now, I'm not trying to claim that some countries can't play these maps or anything, but a varied pool would give higher chances for low-tier players to pick maps strategically. Well actually that goes for all teams.
I mean, right now I don't even need to pick a map. I can just hit f2 and play whatever map I get since they're basically the same thing.
and what does that have to do with anything? he also said 180 bpm streams are too slow, so by that logic bird sprite is boring and i dont understand why it would be picked as an owc mapfartownik wrote:
Even Cookiezi said AR9 is annoying, deal with it 8)
The thing is, if OWC only had AR10+ maps, then the pro players who struggle with high AR would have problems competing. And OWC has map selection as a strategy so that pro players of all specialties can compete against each other.[-Aoi-] wrote:
Im just saying that for example someone who play with HR getting 95% have higher score than someone who SS same map without mods. If game is built that way you can't consider AR7 or even 3 players better than AR10+ players, it doesn't mean AR3 is easier than AR10, but if u want to consider ability to play low ar as a additional indicator of being pro, change score system.Almost wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, the mindset of new single-minded players who only care about speed. I'm not going to question you, but there are many players who are considered top players who can't play AR10.3 insanes.
OWC has map selection as a strategy so that pro players of all specialties can compete against each other.But current OWC don't have that.
Selection out of mod-specific brackets is limited. Each captain may only select one map from each mod-restricted bracket during the match.
I was obviously joking.silmarilen wrote:
and what does that have to do with anything? he also said 180 bpm streams are too slow, so by that logic bird sprite is boring and i dont understand why it would be picked as an owc mapfartownik wrote:
Even Cookiezi said AR9 is annoying, deal with it 8)
Considering the standard point of view in 2013, it's hard to get the joke.fartownik wrote:
I was obviously joking.
But it's something when the best player of the game ever says something like that, right?
Ladies and gentlemen, the mindset of new single-minded players who only care about speed. I'm not going to question you, but there are many players who are considered top players who can't play AR10.3 insanes.2 years ago people also cared about speed, but they had few good maps to play as to go beyond this AR10 limit. Now those "modern" players cannot help about being unable to accept low ar since even 140 bpm Insanes are now AR9 and it's a common occurence. Hello Frostmourne
This says it all. Just shut up and play lol.[-Aoi-] wrote:
There is no way to create mappol accepted by all community
sup'AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Hello Frostmourne
This I agree with.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
2 years ago people also cared about speed, but they had few good maps to play as to go beyond this AR10 limit. Now those "modern" players cannot help about being unable to accept low ar since even 140 bpm Insanes are now AR9 and it's a common occurence.
Yeah, reading shouldn't be measured at all. I should have to know when to click and where to click just by reaction because anything below AR10 is super scary.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Do whatever you want with this AR, I can't wait till I see Marisa in semifinals. But you should remember that though reading is very important, what should be really measured is the ability to aim at circles and click the circles, this is basically what this game is all about.
Sucks to suck, if that player can't read a lower AR he should learn to play.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
"He can play bpm from 120 to 240 with <100 unstable rate, he can easily reach all the jumps and aim the streams. But he needs AR 9 or higher to do it, he sucks balls at this rhythm game" - This is how I imagine some of you thinking.
Yeah, reading shouldn't be measured at all. I should have to know when to click and where to click just by reaction because anything below AR10 is super scary.Though your post was sarcastic, I will please you with a serious answer
The maps aren't the same, sure, but the point is that they don't give us many options in choosing strategies. Only thing we can do is practice and hope we don't miss in the middle but at the end :pDarksonic wrote:
if most of you guys here want even more variety than the one we have now, okay then, I'll consider it.
But you need all those things to have consistency. I'd say it's more like everything wins over accuracy.[AirCoN] wrote:
So....consistency wins instead of speed/reading/streaming/jumps/reaction.
you better talk to them personally in-game they will respond in that way I guess[-Aoi-] wrote:
I didn't get any respond from streamers so I will ask again:
Is it possible for anyone with multi spect client to record unaired matches and upload it, just pure video, without commentary.
If my client will work, I may record it.[-Aoi-] wrote:
I didn't get any respond from streamers so I will ask again:
Is it possible for anyone with multi spect client to record unaired matches and upload it, just pure video, without commentary.
Seph wrote:
#thaiwand