Guest
home
beatmaps
rankings
community
store
help
forum
  1. Forums
  2. Other
  3. Off-Topic
  4. Forum Games
  5. Mafia

Higurashi Mafia - Game Over!

posted
Total Posts
1,985
show more
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.01

Be careful of needles in your ohagi.

[2] Sephibro -- fartownik, DakeDekaane (L-5)
[1] Irreversible -- rEdo
[1] pieguy1372 -- Raging Bull
[1] DakeDekaane -- NoHitter
[1] NoHitter -- Sephibro
[1] Raging Bull -- Zexion_Vi
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] BRBP --
[0] fartownik --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Zexion_Vi --

Not Voting -- Irreversible, pieguy1372, BRBP, Sakura, Blue Yoshi,
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.

NoHitter wrote:

Mod: What happens when there is no majority when the deadline is reached? Does a prulality lynch occur or no lynch?
If at least one person is at L-1, they will be lynched. Otherwise, no lynch will occur. This is to give some leeway while also requiring at least some form of consensus.
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
no, i'm not a BAT :c k bad joke

mh, there hasn't been much said yet and i just take the things they offer me :3 but i wasn't that agressive, if I was, i'd have voted him.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
vote: BRBP
don't sheep me during confirmation phase plz :P
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:)
Last edited by VoidnOwO , edited 1 time in total.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
Blue Yoshi_old
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Blue Yoshi_old
Mion? Is that you?
Blue Yoshi_old
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Blue Yoshi_old
Vote: Sakura
Now do an actual thing.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

Blue Yoshi wrote:

Mion? Is that you?

What does that mean?
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
3,500 posts
Joined February 2012
DakeDekaane
Someone is role-fishing :P
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Someone is nutpicking to a doubtful rolefishing.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Well I'm rather curious what he meant by "Mion, is that you" and then the vote on Sakura "Now do an actual thing"
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
Mion seems like an anime character, but yeah, i'm wondering too
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:)
Last edited by VoidnOwO , edited 1 time in total.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.02

Don't follow boys with bats home.

[2] BRBP -- pieguy1372, fartownik (L-5)
[1] Sephibro -- DakeDekaane
[1] Irreversible -- rEdo
[1] pieguy1372 -- Raging Bull
[1] DakeDekaane -- NoHitter
[1] NoHitter -- Sephibro
[1] Raging Bull -- Zexion_Vi
[1] fartownik -- BRBP
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --

Not Voting -- Irreversible, Sakura
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.

CalignoBot in the Mod Queue Topic wrote:

3. All characters from this list are fair game, and anyone not familiar with the fandom are encouraged to look here instead of the fandom's wiki for information on the characters in order to avoid spoilers
This will be placed in the opening post to reduce further confusion about character names.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Mion is a character in the show. I don't know if he has a role that needs to look for his sister.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn

fartownik wrote:

Unvote
Vote: BRBP
are you sheeping me or OMGUS'ing?
or something else :P

BRBP wrote:

You're scumpainting me again ;___;
except every time I've pushed for a lynch on you you've been mafia, so obviously you're mafia this time too \:D/

k serious time

Raging Bull wrote:

Mion is a character in the show. I don't know if he has a role that needs to look for his sister.
what are you trying to accomplish by asking about Yoshi's role?
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
We also have OMGUS by farto, as far as I got that right
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

pieguy1372 wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Mion is a character in the show. I don't know if he has a role that needs to look for his sister.
what are you trying to accomplish by asking about Yoshi's role?
Possible third party is involved?
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
So is RVS finally over?
Unvote

Raging Bull wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:
Mion is a character in the show. I don't know if he has a role that needs to look for his sister.
what are you trying to accomplish by asking about Yoshi's role?
Possible third party is involved?
Wait what? Wasn't Blue Yoshi the one that was "rolefishing" for Mion by saying:

Blue Yoshi wrote:

Mion? Is that you?
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn

NoHitter wrote:

Wait what? Wasn't Blue Yoshi the one that was "rolefishing" for Mion by saying:

Blue Yoshi wrote:

Mion? Is that you?
that's rolefishing? 0.0 I thought rolefishing was trying to figure out a specific role in the game. though Yoshi was looking for a certain character so I guess you're right orz

btw, I have a scumread on you. discuss :>
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

pieguy1372 wrote:

btw, I have a scumread on you. discuss :>
Why?
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
cause you always like to suggest large-scale strategies such as suggesting massclaim, nameclaim, PR or not claim, and so forth, generally on the first few posts of the game

you've made two posts at this point without doing anything like that :>
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
I don't always suggest a plan like that though.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
The Mafia Restoration Project - suggests follow the cop immediately
Stacking the Deck - asks people to claim if they're a PR or not on the first post
Touhou PyP IV - asks for massclaim

I forgot most of what I know from all the games before I reappeared, but afaik in Touhou PyP II you were mafia and didn't suggest anything besides confirming with the mod when the flip happens. but, I forgot most of the other games so I might be biased = =
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
Try looking at my older games.
Sakura
osu! Alumni
7,979 posts
Joined March 2010
Sakura
Vote: Blue Yoshi
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Sorry my computer broke. I will still play but might be hard for me with phone only
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
Since most of us know the anime characters, we can make pretty accurate setup speculation. Why aren't we doing this already?

Furude Rika
Sonozaki Mion
Sonozaki Shion
Ryuuguu Rena
Hojou Satoko
Maebara Keiichi
^These characters are for sure in the game and they should be all town aligned (6/12)

Irie Kyousuke
Ooishi Kuraudo
^These two should be in the game, town-aligned, and their powers should be respectively doctor-like and cop-like (8/12)

Takano Miyo
Tomitake Jirou
^These two should be in the game too and they should be scum (Takano Miyo could be something like a godfather with some huge powers) (10/12)

2 more spots, i think there must be 1 more Oyashiro supporter, to be honest it could be Irie Kyousuke too.
Remaining characters are taken among these ones (I'll order from the most to the least probable):

Sonozaki Oryou there could be a "Sonozaki Family" faction too, i think we shouldn't understimate this.
Chie Rumiko town-aligned, she's the teacher so idk what role couild it be
Akasaka Mamoru town-aligned, cop-like
Kasai Tatsuyoshi town-aligned (or Sonozaki-aligned), bodyguard-like
Hojou Teppei third party, he could be a lyncher with the objective to lynch Hojou Satoko
Mamiya Rina third party, she and Hojou Teppei could be lovers
Sonozaki Akane if there's "Sonozaki Family" faction, she's in
Hojou Satoshi useless but would be town-aligned


We must consider this too: there could be characters that change their alignment when they increase Hinamizawa Syndrome level (HS)

Oh and regarding this
5.4) The mafia do not get a standard mafia kill. Instead, they have the ability to increase the HS level of multiple people.
I think that ending D1 without lynch could be a very good choice :)
Blue Yoshi_old
0 posts
Joined August 2013
Blue Yoshi_old

Sakura wrote:

Vote: Blue Yoshi
Explain por favor.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik

Sephibro wrote:

Since most of us know the anime characters, we can make pretty accurate setup speculation. Why aren't we doing this already?

Furude Rika
Sonozaki Mion
Sonozaki Shion
Ryuuguu Rena
Hojou Satoko
Maebara Keiichi
^These characters are for sure in the game and they should be all town aligned (6/12)

Irie Kyousuke
Ooishi Kuraudo
^These two should be in the game, town-aligned, and their powers should be respectively doctor-like and cop-like (8/12)

Takano Miyo
Tomitake Jirou
^These two should be in the game too and they should be scum (Takano Miyo could be something like a godfather with some huge powers) (10/12)

2 more spots, i think there must be 1 more Oyashiro supporter, to be honest it could be Irie Kyousuke too.
Remaining characters are taken among these ones (I'll order from the most to the least probable):

Sonozaki Oryou there could be a "Sonozaki Family" faction too, i think we shouldn't understimate this.
Chie Rumiko town-aligned, she's the teacher so idk what role couild it be
Akasaka Mamoru town-aligned, cop-like
Kasai Tatsuyoshi town-aligned (or Sonozaki-aligned), bodyguard-like
Hojou Teppei third party, he could be a lyncher with the objective to lynch Hojou Satoko
Mamiya Rina third party, she and Hojou Teppei could be lovers
Sonozaki Akane if there's "Sonozaki Family" faction, she's in
Hojou Satoshi useless but would be town-aligned


We must consider this too: there could be characters that change their alignment when they increase Hinamizawa Syndrome level (HS)

Oh and regarding this
5.4) The mafia do not get a standard mafia kill. Instead, they have the ability to increase the HS level of multiple people.
I think that ending D1 without lynch could be a very good choice :)
For Christ sake
4.5) All story flavor is completely game-irrelevant.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
fcuk my life


:)
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Also nolynching today is no better than lynching. If we nolynch we will end up with the same stuff as D1 + potential PR information. Nolynching is always a day lost without trying to hunt scum, proposing nolynch at such early stage of the day is scummy.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
On a second thought, my opinion is still that roles have something to do with anime, it can't be only the name. I mean, if there's a cop it's probably Ooishi, if there's a doctor it's Irie Kyousuke, and so on

fartownik wrote:

Also nolynching today is no better than lynching. If we nolynch we will end up with the same stuff as D1 + potential PR information. Nolynching is always a day lost without trying to hunt scum, proposing nolynch at such early stage of the day is scummy.
same stuff as D1 + potential PR information
+ potential PR information

and no nightkill

we're 12, scum are probably 3. the chance of getting a fundamental PR lynched is too damn high
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

On a second thought, my opinion is still that roles have something to do with anime, it can't be only the name. I mean, if there's a cop it's probably Ooishi, if there's a doctor it's Irie Kyousuke, and so on

fartownik wrote:

Also nolynching today is no better than lynching. If we nolynch we will end up with the same stuff as D1 + potential PR information. Nolynching is always a day lost without trying to hunt scum, proposing nolynch at such early stage of the day is scummy.
same stuff as D1 + potential PR information
+ potential PR information

and no nightkill

we're 12, scum are probably 3. the chance of getting a fundamental PR lynched is too damn high
Why do you think no nightkill will occur?

Game Specific Info wrote:

Everyone has a certain Hizamizawa Syndrome (HS) level. This stat goes from 1-5 and begins at 2.
If this value is 5, they will commit suicide at the end of the night.
The mafia do not get a standard mafia kill. Instead, they have the ability to increase the HS level of multiple people.
I think this could be interpreted as a "nightkill".

FoS: Sephibro
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
If there's 3 scum then most likely every one of them has the ability to increase the HS by 1, everyone starts with 2 so it's possible there will be a nightkill. But this is setup speculation, nothing really useful, there might be only 2 scum as well.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
After thinking, this is good. I've never found the "No lynch because afraid of losing a strong PR" argument useful.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
the nightkill only occours when someone reaches 5 HS, I don't think that someone can reach such a high value on n1 only
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

fartownik wrote:

If there's 3 scum then most likely every one of them has the ability to increase the HS by 1, everyone starts with 2 so it's possible there will be a nightkill. But this is setup speculation, nothing really useful, there might be only 2 scum as well.
I didn't read this one, you might be right

And tbh, i still think NoLynch is a good strategy for d1 in a game like this. Well, unless you want everyone to claim d1
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
3,500 posts
Joined February 2012
DakeDekaane
Why would you want to gather possible PR info? :roll:
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo

Sephibro wrote:

And tbh, i still think NoLynch is a good strategy for d1 in a game like this. Well, unless you want everyone to claim d1
mind to elaborate why do you think this is a good strategy? nevermind, you did that earlier. so what if we don't lynch anyone today? we also won't get to know ANYTHING from it, while the HS levels increase. we won't gain much by massclaiming either.

holy shit I just ended up typing the same stuff as farto did, AGAIN

FACK YOU STOP READING MY MIND WHILE I'M READING THE TOPIC AND RESPONDING TO THEM POSTS RESPECTIVELY IN ORDER

Sephibro wrote:

the nightkill only occours when someone reaches 5 HS, I don't think that someone can reach such a high value on n1 only
the game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.

FoS: Sephibro
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible

rEdo wrote:

the game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.
orly, somehow i think you don't just believe it, either you know it or so.

FoS: rEdo

Mh, I'll look through everything again tomorrow, i'm currently not at home
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo

Irreversible wrote:

orly, somehow i think you don't just believe it, either you know it or so.

FoS: rEdo
there's no deeper thought behind it, it's just common sense that the game would be way too slow if scum could add like 2-3 points every night, providing there are roles that can also undo HS.
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion
Well so far as any D1 I don't have clues. I kinda agree with rEdo but not too much either, otherwise it would be too easy for the scum to kill townies. So maybe they get, I don't know, 4 points to increase HS meters? 5 or 6 would be too much (they could easily kill two towns every night) Of course I am just speculating but I'll guess that we'll see how does it works on the first night. Even thought there may be some roles which decrease HS, they have no way of knowing which players have a high HS so it isn't that effective either. (At least not on the early parts of the game)
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

rEdo wrote:

we won't gain much by massclaiming either.
I never said i want a massclaim, quite the opposite: i want to AVOID a massclaim, which would happen if we try to random lynch as we're doing.
I'll explain better. Let's say someone gets pressured hard and is put in L-2; at this point he will claim his role, and two things can happen:
1. best case scenario: someone comes out claiming the same role. One of them two is scum
2. nobody else claims the same role: if that person claimed something credible, we'll vote another person, who will claim and so on

Please use brain, i never say things without thinking if they are good or not, and having to explain everything makes strategies not to work anymore
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
requesting replacement.

I was waiting for this game but i cannot even play it now :(
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn

Sephibro wrote:

We must consider this too: there could be characters that change their alignment when they increase Hinamizawa Syndrome level (HS)

rules wrote:

5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.

NoHitter wrote:

Try looking at my older games.
I remember you always doing RQS and the one time you didn't (Two's game) you were mafia. case in point

NoHitter wrote:

I think this could be interpreted as a "nightkill".

FoS: Sephibro
wait so when you get a reason for voting someone you instead FoS and continue without a vote? dafuq, can you explain this plz
vote: NoHItter

mb NH + Sephibro team here? it seems likely NH was afraid of people wagoning on Sephibro o.o

oh god Irre did the same thing. and rEdo FoS'ed while keeping his RVS vote. why aren't you all voting outside RVS ;w;
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
I always treat my RVS as a joke and forget to delete them, don't treat them as anything serious ^^"

Unvote

but hey, I'd like to hear some more from Sephibro before voting, I don't wanna be too hasty.

Sephibro wrote:

2. nobody else claims the same role: if that person claimed something credible, we'll vote another person, who will claim and so on
that's not only the point, we will also see the associations between people - somebody's defending somebody else, who's offensive against who and such - with this we could deduce a potential scum combo, and that's the point of this game, isn't it? massclaiming is not a way to avoid that, I don't know why you even associate these things with each other.

oh, and you must have missed Dake's question, I'd like to hear an answer for that~
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.03

The clock holds the answer... and another mystery.

[2] Sephibro -- DakeDekaane, fartownik (L-5)
[2] NoHitter -- Sephibro, pieguy1372 (L-5)
[1] pieguy1372 -- Raging Bull
[1] Raging Bull -- Zexion_Vi
[1] fartownik -- BRBP
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[1] Blue Yoshi -- Sakura
[0] BRBP --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --

Not Voting -- Irreversible, NoHitter, rEdo
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.

Raging Bull has requested replacement. Searching for one now.
Rule 3.8 will be changed to a 48 hour deadline per night due to the relative complexity of the set-up.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Try looking at my older games.
I remember you always doing RQS and the one time you didn't (Two's game) you were mafia. case in point
So we're essentially stuck to playing the same meta everyone is accustomed to or else we're scum? Meta arguments are weak at best.

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

I think this could be interpreted as a "nightkill".

FoS: Sephibro
wait so when you get a reason for voting someone you instead FoS and continue without a vote? dafuq, can you explain this plz
vote: NoHItter

mb NH + Sephibro team here? it seems likely NH was afraid of people wagoning on Sephibro o.o
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.

pieguy1372 wrote:

oh god Irre did the same thing. and rEdo FoS'ed while keeping his RVS vote. why aren't you all voting outside RVS ;w;
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?

Sephibro wrote:

I never said i want a massclaim, quite the opposite: i want to AVOID a massclaim, which would happen if we try to random lynch as we're doing.
I'll explain better. Let's say someone gets pressured hard and is put in L-2; at this point he will claim his role, and two things can happen:
1. best case scenario: someone comes out claiming the same role. One of them two is scum
2. nobody else claims the same role: if that person claimed something credible, we'll vote another person, who will claim and so on
OK then. Let's say we do follow your plan and NL.
A accuses B of being scum by a Night Action. B explains it because of a very credible reason.
What's next? Do we NL again? Do we lynch randomly?
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
I'll surely mess up if I quote the stuff above, but what I wanna say is:

Because it's still early?
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for.
Why are you so jumpy?
Do we lynch randomly?

These are things NoHitter just said in the text above, and shows a kinda nervous manner, imo. But I 100% agree with "Votes should be well thought out. ", that's how I wanna work as well - unfortunately I got judged by that last time.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Irreversible wrote:

I'll surely mess up if I quote the stuff above, but what I wanna say is:

Because it's still early?
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for.
Why are you so jumpy?
Do we lynch randomly?

These are things NoHitter just said in the text above, and shows a kinda nervous manner, imo. But I 100% agree with "Votes should be well thought out. ", that's how I wanna work as well - unfortunately I got judged by that last time.
What do you mean by nervous manner?
Also, you kind of removed the last quote out of context. It was addressed to Sephibro, not pieguy.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

OK then. Let's say we do follow your plan and NL.
A accuses B of being scum by a Night Action. B explains it because of a very credible reason.
What's next? Do we NL again? Do we lynch randomly?
At that point 1 among A and B is scum, so we have 50% chance of lynching scum, and we'll not have a massclaim (which is what probably would happen in case we decide to random lynch d1, since each role is unique).
Btw if you want the random lynch d1, be aware that it will probably cause a massclaim
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

DakeDekaane wrote:

Why would you want to gather possible PR info? :roll:
because probably we have at least one investigation role
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

rEdo wrote:

that's not only the point, we will also see the associations between people - somebody's defending somebody else, who's offensive against who and such - with this we could deduce a potential scum combo, and that's the point of this game, isn't it? massclaiming is not a way to avoid that, I don't know why you even associate these things with each other.

NoHitter wrote:

Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
again, if you want to lynch d1 we better vote early, since we may have to vote for 12 people and to listen to 12 claims. Do you think it will take less than 6 days?
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

At that point 1 among A and B is scum, so we have 50% chance of lynching scum, and we'll not have a massclaim
Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?

Sephibro wrote:

(which is what probably would happen in case we decide to random lynch d1, since each role is unique).
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.

Sephibro wrote:

Btw if you want the random lynch d1, be aware that it will probably cause a massclaim
Since when did a D1 random lynch equate to a D1 massclaim? You assume that people will stop voting a claimed person right away, but that isn't always the case.
In the first place were not random lynching anyway. We're lynching based on how suspicious someone is.

Sephibro wrote:

Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
And what do you have to gain by provoking people into voting you?

BTW, the deadline is on the 19th. That's roughly 12 days from now - not 6.
Sakura
osu! Alumni
7,979 posts
Joined March 2010
Sakura
Unvote
Vote: NoHitter
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Rantai replaces Raging Bull effective immediately.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter
Welcome Rantai!

Also:

Sakura wrote:

Unvote
Vote: NoHitter
Can I ask why you voted me?
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
ERRATA CORRIGE:

Sephibro wrote:

again, if you want to lynch d1 we better vote early, since we may have to vote for 12 people and to listen to 12 claims. Do you think it will take less than 12 days?

NoHitter wrote:

Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?
5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.

NoHitter wrote:

How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
I hope this is a joke, since every role is an anime character, do you expect being more than 1 Furude Rika, for example?

NoHitter wrote:

Since when did a D1 random lynch equate to a D1 massclaim?
it doesn't equate to a massclaim, but most likely it would lead to a massclaim since each role is unique.


I appreciate Sakura's vote on NH much more than NH's and rEdo's FoSs on me. Since everybody except me seems very willing to see somebody lynched D1, let this pressure marathon begin



PS. Welcome Rantai! :)
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?
5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.
Point conceded.

Sephibro wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
I hope this is a joke, since every role is an anime character, do you expect being more than 1 Furude Rika, for example?
Yes each CHARACTER may be unique, but what's to say that the ABILITIES assigned to a character is NOT unique.
e.g. Rika and Rena both being Vanilla
You assumed that each of the characters will have unique roles when we didn't know if there were repetition of roles.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
with "role" i actually mean "character"
and i have all the reasons to think that each character has different abilities from the others, so calling it "role" is still correct
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible

NoHitter wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

I'll surely mess up if I quote the stuff above, but what I wanna say is:

Because it's still early?
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for.
Why are you so jumpy?
Do we lynch randomly?

These are things NoHitter just said in the text above, and shows a kinda nervous manner, imo. But I 100% agree with "Votes should be well thought out. ", that's how I wanna work as well - unfortunately I got judged by that last time.
What do you mean by nervous manner?
Also, you kind of removed the last quote out of context. It was addressed to Sephibro, not pieguy.
Oh well, I see, but by nervous manner i simply mean that you kinda focus on 'early' and that votes go 'jumpy', are you worried that it hits you?

Sephibro wrote:

Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
this is not townlike, people taught me, why would you want people to vote you?



@Sakura: What a reaction test.. xD
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Hi guys, 3:30 am right now, will read up tomorrow.
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
good morning *o* lol. xD
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

Irreversible wrote:

this is not townlike, people taught me, why would you want people to vote you?
i'm not asking people to vote me, it would be very retarded, i'm just telling how i think they should play

Btw as we saw in vengeful mafia, if we reach deadline and lynch random, most likely we lynch town (i didn't make this observation there because i was mafia, and in fact we won D1). So this is how we should play imo:
- No Lynch d1, but most of you don't like this choice
- Pressure somebody ASAP, NoHitter is the best one atm
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
Also, i would like BRBP, DakeDekaane, Blue Yoshi and Zexion_Vi to be more involved in the discussion
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
3,500 posts
Joined February 2012
DakeDekaane

Sephibro wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

Why would you want to gather possible PR info? :roll:
because probably we have at least one investigation role
Nice one ;)

Both of you are just talking about useless stuff, most of them is setup speculation, which helps no one but scum, though my vote on Sephibro was RV, I won't move it because I got a scum-read on him.

I also disagree on No-Lynch, even if scum cannot perform a NK, the HS of some people will go up, and it's possible we can lose more than a single townie in a single night, due this, we also should be careful on who we lynch.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
IMO no lynch is like one of the worst things you can do
I'll never forget in Touhou PyP IV everyone NL'ed on the first day and then they had no idea what to do on the next day. then the same thing happened in Mystery Mafia. any lynch at least gives us info in the form of a flip. even if we lynch a PR, the benefit the info gains should help us scumhunt enough to outweigh it.

also, how will lynching someone on D1 lead to a massclaim? as far as I can remember what usually happens is someone gets lynched when their claim isn't believable or is weak, so not everyone claims.

NoHItter wrote:

Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
and just how do you expect to get sure information on D1?

NoHItter wrote:

How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
last time people said this was in Touhou PyP IV and in the end everyone had a PR. so I don't think it even matters if the mod said it was role madness or not. then again it was my game so >< Honestly I'm thinking everyone has a PR of some sort, similarly to Touhou IV.

NoHItter wrote:

We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?
why can't I change my vote till then? and how am I being "jumpy"?

also you all should join my game ;w;
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

pieguy1372 wrote:

also, how will lynching someone on D1 lead to a massclaim?
you'll see if people decide to do something (and with doing something i mean pressuring someone, NH in this case)

pieguy1372 wrote:

last time people said this was in Touhou PyP IV and in the end everyone had a PR. so I don't think it even matters if the mod said it was role madness or not. then again it was my game so >< Honestly I'm thinking everyone has a PR of some sort, similarly to Touhou IV.
here we go:

@mod:
1. each character has at least one ability or passive, am i right?
2. does each character have both passive and active ability?
3. does every character have 2 personal abilities or not? are there some with less? are there some with more?

Please answer all the questions you can


:)
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki

Sephibro wrote:

@mod:
1. each character has at least one ability or passive, am i right?
2. does each character have both passive and active ability?
3. does every character have 2 personal abilities or not? are there some with less? are there some with more?

Please answer all the questions you can
1. Correct.
2. I cannot answer this question.
3. I cannot answer this question.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
thank you caligno, that's enough :)
as you can see i was right NH
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
you'll see if people decide to do something (and with doing something i mean pressuring someone, NH in this case)
so if we do something it'll lead to a massclaim, which is bad?
by that logic, we shouldn't do anything, for fear of a massclaim

how are we supposed to find the mafia then? waiting around for who knows how long for an investigative role which may or may not even exist isn't very effective

what you're implying is that we'd run each individual person up to L - 1 and then they all claim and we don't lynch them in the end, right? who said we can't lynch people who claim?
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
OKAY i'm gonna tell you the whole strategy
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
Some characters are for sure in the game. If someone claims one of those roles and there's no crossclaim, i'm gonna trust him 100%
If there's a crossclaim, we're set, as at least one of the two is scum
Then there are the "outsider" roles, which are i guess 5 maybe? SCUM ARE AMONG THESE CLAIMS FOR SURE

Well gg, i just realized that massclaiming is the right strategy to win this game :)

@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.
By the way, everybody let me know if you agree with me, or if you need further explaination or any clarification on the strategy

:)
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki

Sephibro wrote:

@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
I cannot answer this question.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
I found it a little strange people were taking RVS votes semi-seriously, but I think that's a minor point at the moment.

@Sephibro, I'm a little confused on what you mean by "outsider" roles. Are you talking about secondary characters or some such?

Because I fell that Caligno would not make a set up as obvious as "All main characters are definitely in and therefore confirmed not fake" (not fake because he has specifically stated that characters can be any alignment, at least that's how I read it)
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Feel*
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro

Rantai wrote:

Because I fell that Caligno would not make a set up as obvious as "All main characters are definitely in and therefore confirmed not fake" (not fake because he has specifically stated that characters can be any alignment, at least that's how I read it)
It could be as you say...but are you telling this because you actually think it, or because you're afraid of that strategy?
I don't know, gotta sleep now. See you tomorrow!

:)
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
I barely remember any of the main or secondary characters, except Rika and that's because she is a loli.

My concern is that you're basing an entire plan on potentially flawed reasoning. It's exactly the same situation as policy lynching based on who was a good or bad character in the anime.

And he's said that ALL characters are fair game from his list, implying equality in picking.

If you want to try to play the scumpainting game with me, why are you so heavily pushing the idea which has many problems to it? The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted and if I had to hazard a guess I'd say that you are a "main character" and looking for a way to try and ride a free "confirm".
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Just to clarify, I don't know if a massclaim would be beneficial or not; my concerns lie with the underlying reasoning behind the use of a massclaim*
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:)
Last edited by VoidnOwO , edited 1 time in total.
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
and just how do you expect to get sure information on D1?
I think you misread what I wrote. I said that I wouldn't vote someone quickly unless there was sure information. Since it's D1 and we have no sure information, I won't vote quickly.

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?
why can't I change my vote till then? and how am I being "jumpy"?
Point conceded. Maybe its difference in play style, but I'm not one to shift my vote around.

BRBP wrote:

Are you saying everyone's able to play any alingment exactly like they play as town? Not everyone's even aware of their own meta. While the latter doesn't apply to your massclaim attemps, it's still odd how you didn't suggest that. In all previous games you said that it's the best way to win etc, and now you're willing to skip using "the best strategy to win" just to play differently? That's not like you at all.
Wrong. That's because I felt that for this setup, massclaiming wasn't a good strategy. The last time I did this was in Stacking the Deck where we gain additional information based on the number of PR claims. In this game, I don't think we'll gain as much if we massclaimed.
Sakura
osu! Alumni
7,979 posts
Joined March 2010
Sakura
Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:)
Last edited by VoidnOwO , edited 1 time in total.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
Sakura + Rantai for scum imo
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
I don't see any logical or constructed defense.

Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
hahaha sakura xD I guess strategy to see how everyone reacted, quite funny i'm wondering how it'll turn out
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
1. I still think that character's alignment is coherent with the anime, so my strategy would probably be all but anti-town. And most of all, i don't see why i would propose such a reliable strategy if i were scum
2. why do i think that Rantai is scum?
[*]Because RB instantly asked for replacement as soon as he got his pc broken, even if he could still browse and post from his phone; maybe reading scum QT was too hard
[*]Because of this:

Rantai wrote:

The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted
The idea itself wouldn't be meh at all, it would be 100% win if my assumptions were right. Btw yes, my assumptions might be wrong, but you're still taking too much distance from that strategy. You could easily be Takano Miyo - Oyashiro Supporter wanting to throw shit on working strategies


About Sakura, i don't think that's a strategy, imo she's just playing too many games at the same time, and she's being "careful" because she's scum
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

Sephibro wrote:

1. I still think that character's alignment is coherent with the anime, so my strategy would probably be all but anti-town. And most of all, i don't see why i would propose such a reliable strategy if i were scum
2. why do i think that Rantai is scum?
[*]Because RB instantly asked for replacement as soon as he got his pc broken, even if he could still browse and post from his phone; maybe reading scum QT was too hard
[*]Because of this:

Rantai wrote:

The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted
The idea itself wouldn't be meh at all, it would be 100% win if my assumptions were right. Btw yes, my assumptions might be wrong, but you're still taking too much distance from that strategy. You could easily be Takano Miyo - Oyashiro Supporter wanting to throw shit on working strategies
Oh god, so much fail.

1. Unless I have completely misinterpreted the mods words (4.5 - All story flavor is completely game-irrelevant.) it has already been stated that it has no bearing on alignment. Hell: @mod - can this game's alignments be determined by the character's anime "alignments" - If yes, then sure this plan is fine (albiet an oversight in design). If no, I don't need to say anymore.

2. A replacement is now a scumtell? What meta did I miss?

Idea of a massclaim is meh, as I have stated I don't know the extent of benefits or detriments a massclaim would have by itself. Right now your assumptions risk publicly announcing everyone's role flavour (characters) in exchange for information that has been mod announced (interpretation?) as worthless.

Call me skeptical but I'd like to see a concrete foundation for a plan before I ever agree to one. Yours is not concrete.
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
Rantai, many things are 'scumtell' without even a reason, you should deal with it, i'm not a fan of it either.

Unvote
Vote: DakeDekaane
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
And Sephi, imo the statement 'sakura is playing like that because of the games and because she's scum' is just weird. Afaik she did that before and then will post her thoughts, or keep it for her, idk.
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
3,500 posts
Joined February 2012
DakeDekaane
You shouldn't be voting me without a reason, in fact, you shouldn't be voting me.

Sephibro is slightly scumpainting people and I don't like that. Vote him pls.
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion
Ok guys sorry for my inactivity, just got home...

Sephibro wrote:

Some characters are for sure in the game. If someone claims one of those roles and there's no crossclaim, i'm gonna trust him 100%
If there's a crossclaim, we're set, as at least one of the two is scum
Then there are the "outsider" roles, which are i guess 5 maybe? SCUM ARE AMONG THESE CLAIMS FOR SURE

Well gg, i just realized that massclaiming is the right strategy to win this game :)

@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
Just to add that what fails the most about this strategy is the fact that we don't know exactly which characters and in the game. Then the problems comes when someone may claim to be an obscure one which isn't even on this!

My vote was random but after a read throughout the thread I can tell that Sephibro is so far just acussing with reasons I couldn't explain myself, I mean really, did Raging Bull ask to be replaced just because he was mafia and couldn't read the QT?

Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
it wasn't a reason, it was a supposition
btw, people i don't like so far are NH, Sakura, Rantai and DD
pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now

looks like i'm L-3, first claim of the game is close :)
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
3,785 posts
Joined June 2009
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

looks like i'm L-3, first claim of the game is close :)
Why does it seem that you WANT to claim?
I would take claiming as a last resort, not as the first thing I do when I'm in danger.

Sephibro wrote:

pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.

Sephibro wrote:

pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now
-_-

Alright, that's enough.

Vote: Sephibro
That's L-2, guys. As of now, please don't bring him to L-1. We may get a quickhammer or a self-hammer that could stifle discussion.
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
claim: Furude Rika

I've been softclaiming it on every post of mine
Nipah~
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.04

You're coming to school tomorrow... or else.

[5] Sephibro -- DakeDekaane, fartownik, Sakura, Zexion_Vi, NoHitter (L-2)
[2] NoHitter -- Sephibro, pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[1] DakeDekaane -- Irreversible
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] BRBP --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --

Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.

---

Rantai wrote:

@mod - can this game's alignments be determined by the character's anime "alignments"

CalignoBot in the Original Announcement wrote:

c. Alignments in this universe's canon will not be relevant in this setup.
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,317 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
what should furuda rika be exactly?
show more
Please sign in to reply.

New reply

0
52 / 1,985