If at least one person is at L-1, they will be lynched. Otherwise, no lynch will occur. This is to give some leeway while also requiring at least some form of consensus.NoHitter wrote:
Mod: What happens when there is no majority when the deadline is reached? Does a prulality lynch occur or no lynch?
Blue Yoshi wrote:
Mion? Is that you?
This will be placed in the opening post to reduce further confusion about character names.CalignoBot in the Mod Queue Topic wrote:
3. All characters from this list are fair game, and anyone not familiar with the fandom are encouraged to look here instead of the fandom's wiki for information on the characters in order to avoid spoilers
are you sheeping me or OMGUS'ing?fartownik wrote:
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
except every time I've pushed for a lynch on you you've been mafia, so obviously you're mafia this time too \:D/BRBP wrote:
You're scumpainting me again ;___;
what are you trying to accomplish by asking about Yoshi's role?Raging Bull wrote:
Mion is a character in the show. I don't know if he has a role that needs to look for his sister.
Possible third party is involved?pieguy1372 wrote:
what are you trying to accomplish by asking about Yoshi's role?Raging Bull wrote:
Mion is a character in the show. I don't know if he has a role that needs to look for his sister.
Wait what? Wasn't Blue Yoshi the one that was "rolefishing" for Mion by saying:Raging Bull wrote:
Possible third party is involved?pieguy1372 wrote:
Raging Bull wrote:Mion is a character in the show. I don't know if he has a role that needs to look for his sister.what are you trying to accomplish by asking about Yoshi's role?
Blue Yoshi wrote:
Mion? Is that you?
that's rolefishing? 0.0 I thought rolefishing was trying to figure out a specific role in the game. though Yoshi was looking for a certain character so I guess you're right orzNoHitter wrote:
Wait what? Wasn't Blue Yoshi the one that was "rolefishing" for Mion by saying:Blue Yoshi wrote:
Mion? Is that you?
Why?pieguy1372 wrote:
btw, I have a scumread on you. discuss :>
5.4) The mafia do not get a standard mafia kill. Instead, they have the ability to increase the HS level of multiple people.I think that ending D1 without lynch could be a very good choice
Explain por favor.Sakura wrote:
Vote: Blue Yoshi
For Christ sakeSephibro wrote:
Since most of us know the anime characters, we can make pretty accurate setup speculation. Why aren't we doing this already?
Furude Rika
Sonozaki Mion
Sonozaki Shion
Ryuuguu Rena
Hojou Satoko
Maebara Keiichi
^These characters are for sure in the game and they should be all town aligned (6/12)
Irie Kyousuke
Ooishi Kuraudo
^These two should be in the game, town-aligned, and their powers should be respectively doctor-like and cop-like (8/12)
Takano Miyo
Tomitake Jirou
^These two should be in the game too and they should be scum (Takano Miyo could be something like a godfather with some huge powers) (10/12)
2 more spots, i think there must be 1 more Oyashiro supporter, to be honest it could be Irie Kyousuke too.
Remaining characters are taken among these ones (I'll order from the most to the least probable):
Sonozaki Oryou there could be a "Sonozaki Family" faction too, i think we shouldn't understimate this.
Chie Rumiko town-aligned, she's the teacher so idk what role couild it be
Akasaka Mamoru town-aligned, cop-like
Kasai Tatsuyoshi town-aligned (or Sonozaki-aligned), bodyguard-like
Hojou Teppei third party, he could be a lyncher with the objective to lynch Hojou Satoko
Mamiya Rina third party, she and Hojou Teppei could be lovers
Sonozaki Akane if there's "Sonozaki Family" faction, she's in
Hojou Satoshi useless but would be town-aligned
We must consider this too: there could be characters that change their alignment when they increase Hinamizawa Syndrome level (HS)
Oh and regarding this5.4) The mafia do not get a standard mafia kill. Instead, they have the ability to increase the HS level of multiple people.I think that ending D1 without lynch could be a very good choice
4.5) All story flavor is completely game-irrelevant.
fartownik wrote:
Also nolynching today is no better than lynching. If we nolynch we will end up with the same stuff as D1 + potential PR information. Nolynching is always a day lost without trying to hunt scum, proposing nolynch at such early stage of the day is scummy.
Why do you think no nightkill will occur?Sephibro wrote:
On a second thought, my opinion is still that roles have something to do with anime, it can't be only the name. I mean, if there's a cop it's probably Ooishi, if there's a doctor it's Irie Kyousuke, and so onfartownik wrote:
Also nolynching today is no better than lynching. If we nolynch we will end up with the same stuff as D1 + potential PR information. Nolynching is always a day lost without trying to hunt scum, proposing nolynch at such early stage of the day is scummy.same stuff as D1 + potential PR information+ potential PR information
and no nightkill
we're 12, scum are probably 3. the chance of getting a fundamental PR lynched is too damn high
I think this could be interpreted as a "nightkill".Game Specific Info wrote:
Everyone has a certain Hizamizawa Syndrome (HS) level. This stat goes from 1-5 and begins at 2.
If this value is 5, they will commit suicide at the end of the night.
The mafia do not get a standard mafia kill. Instead, they have the ability to increase the HS level of multiple people.
I didn't read this one, you might be rightfartownik wrote:
If there's 3 scum then most likely every one of them has the ability to increase the HS by 1, everyone starts with 2 so it's possible there will be a nightkill. But this is setup speculation, nothing really useful, there might be only 2 scum as well.
Sephibro wrote:
And tbh, i still think NoLynch is a good strategy for d1 in a game like this. Well, unless you want everyone to claim d1
the game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.Sephibro wrote:
the nightkill only occours when someone reaches 5 HS, I don't think that someone can reach such a high value on n1 only
orly, somehow i think you don't just believe it, either you know it or so.rEdo wrote:
the game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.
there's no deeper thought behind it, it's just common sense that the game would be way too slow if scum could add like 2-3 points every night, providing there are roles that can also undo HS.Irreversible wrote:
orly, somehow i think you don't just believe it, either you know it or so.
FoS: rEdo
I never said i want a massclaim, quite the opposite: i want to AVOID a massclaim, which would happen if we try to random lynch as we're doing.rEdo wrote:
we won't gain much by massclaiming either.
Sephibro wrote:
We must consider this too: there could be characters that change their alignment when they increase Hinamizawa Syndrome level (HS)
rules wrote:
5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.
I remember you always doing RQS and the one time you didn't (Two's game) you were mafia. case in pointNoHitter wrote:
Try looking at my older games.
wait so when you get a reason for voting someone you instead FoS and continue without a vote? dafuq, can you explain this plzNoHitter wrote:
I think this could be interpreted as a "nightkill".
FoS: Sephibro
that's not only the point, we will also see the associations between people - somebody's defending somebody else, who's offensive against who and such - with this we could deduce a potential scum combo, and that's the point of this game, isn't it? massclaiming is not a way to avoid that, I don't know why you even associate these things with each other.Sephibro wrote:
2. nobody else claims the same role: if that person claimed something credible, we'll vote another person, who will claim and so on
So we're essentially stuck to playing the same meta everyone is accustomed to or else we're scum? Meta arguments are weak at best.pieguy1372 wrote:
I remember you always doing RQS and the one time you didn't (Two's game) you were mafia. case in pointNoHitter wrote:
Try looking at my older games.
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.pieguy1372 wrote:
wait so when you get a reason for voting someone you instead FoS and continue without a vote? dafuq, can you explain this plzNoHitter wrote:
I think this could be interpreted as a "nightkill".
FoS: Sephibro
vote: NoHItter
mb NH + Sephibro team here? it seems likely NH was afraid of people wagoning on Sephibro o.o
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?pieguy1372 wrote:
oh god Irre did the same thing. and rEdo FoS'ed while keeping his RVS vote. why aren't you all voting outside RVS ;w;
OK then. Let's say we do follow your plan and NL.Sephibro wrote:
I never said i want a massclaim, quite the opposite: i want to AVOID a massclaim, which would happen if we try to random lynch as we're doing.
I'll explain better. Let's say someone gets pressured hard and is put in L-2; at this point he will claim his role, and two things can happen:
1. best case scenario: someone comes out claiming the same role. One of them two is scum
2. nobody else claims the same role: if that person claimed something credible, we'll vote another person, who will claim and so on
What do you mean by nervous manner?Irreversible wrote:
I'll surely mess up if I quote the stuff above, but what I wanna say is:
Because it's still early?
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for.
Why are you so jumpy?
Do we lynch randomly?
These are things NoHitter just said in the text above, and shows a kinda nervous manner, imo. But I 100% agree with "Votes should be well thought out. ", that's how I wanna work as well - unfortunately I got judged by that last time.
At that point 1 among A and B is scum, so we have 50% chance of lynching scum, and we'll not have a massclaim (which is what probably would happen in case we decide to random lynch d1, since each role is unique).NoHitter wrote:
OK then. Let's say we do follow your plan and NL.
A accuses B of being scum by a Night Action. B explains it because of a very credible reason.
What's next? Do we NL again? Do we lynch randomly?
because probably we have at least one investigation roleDakeDekaane wrote:
Why would you want to gather possible PR info?
rEdo wrote:
that's not only the point, we will also see the associations between people - somebody's defending somebody else, who's offensive against who and such - with this we could deduce a potential scum combo, and that's the point of this game, isn't it? massclaiming is not a way to avoid that, I don't know why you even associate these things with each other.
again, if you want to lynch d1 we better vote early, since we may have to vote for 12 people and to listen to 12 claims. Do you think it will take less than 6 days?NoHitter wrote:
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?Sephibro wrote:
At that point 1 among A and B is scum, so we have 50% chance of lynching scum, and we'll not have a massclaim
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.Sephibro wrote:
(which is what probably would happen in case we decide to random lynch d1, since each role is unique).
Since when did a D1 random lynch equate to a D1 massclaim? You assume that people will stop voting a claimed person right away, but that isn't always the case.Sephibro wrote:
Btw if you want the random lynch d1, be aware that it will probably cause a massclaim
And what do you have to gain by provoking people into voting you?Sephibro wrote:
Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
Can I ask why you voted me?Sakura wrote:
Unvote
Vote: NoHitter
Sephibro wrote:
again, if you want to lynch d1 we better vote early, since we may have to vote for 12 people and to listen to 12 claims. Do you think it will take less than 12 days?
5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.NoHitter wrote:
Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?
I hope this is a joke, since every role is an anime character, do you expect being more than 1 Furude Rika, for example?NoHitter wrote:
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
it doesn't equate to a massclaim, but most likely it would lead to a massclaim since each role is unique.NoHitter wrote:
Since when did a D1 random lynch equate to a D1 massclaim?
Point conceded.Sephibro wrote:
5.5) This set-up is not bastard, and therefore has none of the following: Alignment-Changing Roles or Abilities, Jesters, Cults, Misleading Roles, Unknown Role Modifiers, etc.NoHitter wrote:
Except that's not always the case. What if there's a miller or framer?
Yes each CHARACTER may be unique, but what's to say that the ABILITIES assigned to a character is NOT unique.Sephibro wrote:
I hope this is a joke, since every role is an anime character, do you expect being more than 1 Furude Rika, for example?NoHitter wrote:
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
Oh well, I see, but by nervous manner i simply mean that you kinda focus on 'early' and that votes go 'jumpy', are you worried that it hits you?NoHitter wrote:
What do you mean by nervous manner?Irreversible wrote:
I'll surely mess up if I quote the stuff above, but what I wanna say is:
Because it's still early?
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for.
Why are you so jumpy?
Do we lynch randomly?
These are things NoHitter just said in the text above, and shows a kinda nervous manner, imo. But I 100% agree with "Votes should be well thought out. ", that's how I wanna work as well - unfortunately I got judged by that last time.
Also, you kind of removed the last quote out of context. It was addressed to Sephibro, not pieguy.
this is not townlike, people taught me, why would you want people to vote you?Sephibro wrote:
Hint: don't FoS me, vote me instead if you really have a suspect
i'm not asking people to vote me, it would be very retarded, i'm just telling how i think they should playIrreversible wrote:
this is not townlike, people taught me, why would you want people to vote you?
Nice oneSephibro wrote:
because probably we have at least one investigation roleDakeDekaane wrote:
Why would you want to gather possible PR info?
and just how do you expect to get sure information on D1?NoHItter wrote:
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
last time people said this was in Touhou PyP IV and in the end everyone had a PR. so I don't think it even matters if the mod said it was role madness or not. then again it was my game so >< Honestly I'm thinking everyone has a PR of some sort, similarly to Touhou IV.NoHItter wrote:
How are you sure that each role is unique? The mod hasn't said anything about this being role madness.
why can't I change my vote till then? and how am I being "jumpy"?NoHItter wrote:
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?
you'll see if people decide to do something (and with doing something i mean pressuring someone, NH in this case)pieguy1372 wrote:
also, how will lynching someone on D1 lead to a massclaim?
here we go:pieguy1372 wrote:
last time people said this was in Touhou PyP IV and in the end everyone had a PR. so I don't think it even matters if the mod said it was role madness or not. then again it was my game so >< Honestly I'm thinking everyone has a PR of some sort, similarly to Touhou IV.
1. Correct.Sephibro wrote:
@mod:
1. each character has at least one ability or passive, am i right?
2. does each character have both passive and active ability?
3. does every character have 2 personal abilities or not? are there some with less? are there some with more?
Please answer all the questions you can
you'll see if people decide to do something (and with doing something i mean pressuring someone, NH in this case)so if we do something it'll lead to a massclaim, which is bad?
I cannot answer this question.Sephibro wrote:
@mod: is every ability unique or more than one character can have the same ability?
It could be as you say...but are you telling this because you actually think it, or because you're afraid of that strategy?Rantai wrote:
Because I fell that Caligno would not make a set up as obvious as "All main characters are definitely in and therefore confirmed not fake" (not fake because he has specifically stated that characters can be any alignment, at least that's how I read it)
I think you misread what I wrote. I said that I wouldn't vote someone quickly unless there was sure information. Since it's D1 and we have no sure information, I won't vote quickly.pieguy1372 wrote:
and just how do you expect to get sure information on D1?NoHItter wrote:
Because it's still early? I can see the merit of pressure votes, but I'm not one to vote quickly unless we have sure information. Votes should be well thought out.
Point conceded. Maybe its difference in play style, but I'm not one to shift my vote around.pieguy1372 wrote:
why can't I change my vote till then? and how am I being "jumpy"?NoHItter wrote:
We still have more than a week to decide who we vote for. Why are you so jumpy?
Wrong. That's because I felt that for this setup, massclaiming wasn't a good strategy. The last time I did this was in Stacking the Deck where we gain additional information based on the number of PR claims. In this game, I don't think we'll gain as much if we massclaimed.BRBP wrote:
Are you saying everyone's able to play any alingment exactly like they play as town? Not everyone's even aware of their own meta. While the latter doesn't apply to your massclaim attemps, it's still odd how you didn't suggest that. In all previous games you said that it's the best way to win etc, and now you're willing to skip using "the best strategy to win" just to play differently? That's not like you at all.
The idea itself wouldn't be meh at all, it would be 100% win if my assumptions were right. Btw yes, my assumptions might be wrong, but you're still taking too much distance from that strategy. You could easily be Takano Miyo - Oyashiro Supporter wanting to throw shit on working strategiesRantai wrote:
The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted
Oh god, so much fail.Sephibro wrote:
1. I still think that character's alignment is coherent with the anime, so my strategy would probably be all but anti-town. And most of all, i don't see why i would propose such a reliable strategy if i were scum
2. why do i think that Rantai is scum?
[*]Because RB instantly asked for replacement as soon as he got his pc broken, even if he could still browse and post from his phone; maybe reading scum QT was too hard
[*]Because of this:The idea itself wouldn't be meh at all, it would be 100% win if my assumptions were right. Btw yes, my assumptions might be wrong, but you're still taking too much distance from that strategy. You could easily be Takano Miyo - Oyashiro Supporter wanting to throw shit on working strategiesRantai wrote:
The idea itself is meh but the assumptions are completely short sighted