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Royston
oh, um, okay
Royston

Royston wrote:

oh no

Blue Yoshi - (???) - Mysteriously vanished D2

RIP :(
did I call it or what?
pieguyn
WHAT
Knarf
Interesting... Blue yoshi vanished at the day.
Raging Bull
Royston maybe you shouldnt talk or else we all disappear.
DakeDekaane
It was like the lynch of the day, my scum suspects are really going down, if dead people is town, is there any way to know?
Royston

Raging Bull wrote:

Royston maybe you shouldnt talk or else we all disappear.
oh god

LadySuburu wrote:

2-18, 3-97, 1-3, 7-5, 33-119
This message was modified about an hour ago. At first I thought nothing had changed but after comparing it to what Dake quoted on the following page it looks like the first number changed from a 3 to a 2
DakeDekaane
I suggest policy lynch Royston
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Oh, I should mention that the speedy reviver was town. That was supposed to be included in the day-end up above.
Raging Bull
So we know the alignment the next day?
Royston

DakeDekaane wrote:

I suggest policy lynch Royston
pls no

Raging Bull wrote:

So we know the alignment the next day?
I... guess so?

Also what the hell was Blue Yoshi's role? Some sort of day bodyguard/governor??? I don't even
fartownik
I actually thought the kill on Tanz was a delay from scum, but Blue Yoshi's alignment was not revealed either, and that's from a lynch. Perhaps all the alignments are revealed with a 1-day delay, for some reason. No idea why his role didn't show up though.

Also the code changed right after he died, intredasting. I still can't put my finger on this case though, nothing comes to my mind.
NoHitter
Another attempt to decode:
Town (not/a/obvious/another???) still be (????)

I'm not sure wherther or not to count the text inside quotes, the votes, the text above the quotes (i.e. XXX wrote:)
VoidnOwO
:)
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Deadline extended 24hrs, because not everyone has submitted an action or a no action.

This shall happen only once.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Deadline extended 12(ish) hrs due to Tsukasa requesting replacement.

Hey guys, Night has chat enabled for a reason. You know you can scumhunt for the next day during this time, right? Even if you can't vote just pre-vote and then actually vote when next day happens. Or something.

So uh, yeah. Replacement.
NoHitter
SO anyone else tried to solve that cipher?
Raging Bull
I just dont think that should be the point of the game. It could just be distraction
Royston

Raging Bull wrote:

I just dont think that should be the point of the game. It could just be distraction

LadySuburu wrote:

All hints are important.
But yeah, I haven't had any luck with the code.
Rantai
Problem solving was never my strongest point. The most I have gotten out of it so far has been a headache.
DakeDekaane
Following NH's:
"Town ____ still be _____"
Which makes a bit of sense but I get confused counting so many words, I always get lost a different word each time orz. I'm kinda stuck about what it could be.
Lilac
"Town ____ still be _____"

The first has to be a modal verb. So it's either 'could, should, would, might' and other conjugations of it.

Second is more than likely an adjective but could be anything really.
Lilac
A.K.A. Where English Language in Year 11 actually comes in handy, by golly.

Figure out the last word, the second is so limited to what it can be.
pieguyn
working on it cause I'm too lazy to scumhunt right now
pieguyn

LadySuburu wrote:

Man, designing these hints from scratch is a bit more difficult. I have to becareful not to mess it up... I might still have, but oh well. Ack why am I putting in effort.

2-18, 3-97, 1-3, 7-5, 33-119
ok I think it's the bolded word

so, "Town should be more careful". oh great 0.0
pieguyn
ebwop: 118th word on the 33rd page not counting anything related to quotes
I assume I just fucked up and double-counted a word which should make that the 119th word, matching 33-119
Lilac
I think pieguy has got it.

Hurrah.
VoidnOwO
So... What does it mean to be more careful? In practice.
fartownik
It most likely means shit. Same as the other hints.

It's obvious Town should be careful, it's obvious the night is a dangerous time. All the hints state the obvious and it's like that on purpose. I seriously doubt they have a deeper meaning now. The hints were put in to move the game a little forward and most likely to get people that will be interested only in them and not in actual scumhunting (which is obviously more important).

The hints should've already helped us if they were meant to be helpful. It's near D3 and we've got nothing from them but ruckus, time to let them go and focus on the actual game, it was just a play from the mod.
VoidnOwO
When one's mind is so open, they are prone to easy manipulation. Can you resist, while still performing your job?
Raging Bull
That's why I said forget the damn hints. I doubt not doing a hint for one day would kill all of town.
Lilac
V/LA until the 11th. I need to not play mafia so I can actually focus on Uni.

Thanks.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
A post was found by Blue Yoshi on the forums for the game. It was deleted almost right away, but it was a complaint about his lost character.

Blue Yoshi's body was found, and he was a Town Doctor.

*The GMs were quiet the next morning, it seemed they thought they had everything settled and fixed. However, you know better. It seems more people never logged on again. Looks like it's up to you to solve this, since the GMs are oblivious.*

RB - ??? - Dissapeared N2
NoHItter - ??? - Dissapeared N2


Still searching for a replacement for Tsukasa, deadline is indefinate until one is found.

It's 1/2 players +1 to lynch.
Lilac
Vote: LadySuburu

LEAP OF FAITH.
NoHitter
/dies

Edit: Fine
Raging Bull
dlgbsroghawiovnbf0h-1wy53hjtg23t vbfgnjtrwd

good luck
VoidnOwO
:)
Royston

BRBP wrote:

Royston wrote:

Also what the hell was Blue Yoshi's role?
Doctor


*runs*
um
fartownik
Vote: LS

I actually thought about it earlier. Let's hammer that obvious scum and see what happens.

2 nightkills by the way, most likely a vig?

Also I will try to get some real suspects by reviewing the thread again with the information we have now, will take some time.
fartownik
And yeah, how BRBP knew Yoshi was a Doctor before the reveal? Please explain.
Royston
And this...

Blue Yoshi wrote:

Waiting for my night action to resolve.
If it happens the way I hope it to I will be dead.
Why would a doctor say that?! I have so many questions right now. Can someone please tell me what's going on? I want to send support ticket to GM plz :(
VoidnOwO
:)
fartownik
May I know where then?
Rantai
2 kills?

Also coinciding with Lilac's arrival (N1 only had 1).

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
VoidnOwO
:)
VoidnOwO
:)
Royston
wow, I kinda feel like an idiot for missing that...

I seriously still don't get why he made those statements being a doctor though. Based on his later posts, I'd guess privy to some extra information that affected his role in some way? I mean, it is called information mafia after all. And I've got none of it.

anyway I'm sure nothing bad will happen as a result of me doing this
vote: LadySuburu
Royston
to clarify, by 'those statements' I mean the ones along the lines of ''if things go to plan, I'll be dead'.
rEdo
Claim: Day Vigilante
Vote: LadySuburu

actually I can even shoot him right away, but the next person will hammer (providing he's actually a votable person), so I'll just drop that by since it's this late into the game.

hi RB
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Player LadySuburu is not found. That's a gimmick for another game, at another time.
pieguyn
rofl @ LS
okay what the fuck, dayvig? so much for that
brb rereading entire thread
DakeDekaane
Really guys, voting the mod...

anyone who would you target rEdo?

It seems there's no vig, as nobody has fake/claimed it yet, Royston, your action this night?
pieguyn
DISCLAIMER: this post contains a lot of random thoughts and quotes. it may be impossible to follow, just be careful 0.0

FLIPS BECAUSE LS DOESN'T HAVE THE FLIPS IN THE FIRST POST RAGE
Yuno - Hurried Jester (Conditional Saulus) - Flees the party alive D1.
Tanz - Speedy Reviver - Missing N1
Blue Yoshi's body was found, and he was a Town Doctor.
RB - ??? - Dissapeared N2
NoHItter - ??? - Dissapeared N2

DakeDekaane wrote:

So we'll be wasting more time or can we begin to lynch scumz?
HoS: ???

No, really.
FoS: Tanz, Blue Yoshi
Sheeping disguised as RV? :I
^ that logic makes no sense whatsoever, it's RV

IMO Royston is town. keeps doing setup speculation even after CalignoBot said it was scummy. not to mention he outright posted he didn't have a wincon in his PM. I doubt scum would do all that unless I'm getting mindgamed and/or trolled

DakeDekaane wrote:

@Royston: I said that because if there's manipulative/misleading roles, PRs are as useful as a squarish wheel, so we have to rely on merely scumhunting.
glad to see my game had an influence on people <3

fartownik wrote:

kook's argument made no sense, simple as that. He voted someone that he thought would be the least harmful for him, someone that can't counter his attack. He probably thinks that he's supposed to do something, but doesn't really know what and this is what comes out of it.

Also rEdo please stop sheeping to me :f
e.g. what all new players do

CalignoBot wrote:

royston's 'first' wrote:

uh oh
All these posts are pinging me. The first by itself warranted a vote.
that post didn't even seem serious IMO

Raging Bull attacking Blue Yoshi seems playstyle based cause iirc RB did that with me before

fartownik wrote:

I'm starting to think "???" is a Serial Killer that knows everyone's alignment.

NOPE, STAHP THROWING THESE THOUGHTS INTO MY MIND, LS
more setup speculation

LadySuburu wrote:

But if I don't make at least one of you think then this thread will never have posts because NOBODY IS POSTING COME ON GUS.

I want another You are Mafia length thread here.
yeeaaaah You Are Mafia length <3
though I don't think it'll happen at this point

DakeDekaane seems town for me

Dake wrote:

inb4 bastard game
do you even know LS

fartownik wrote:

Okay, so if you're not lying and all the hints are important - we should probably lynch The 15 Person, unless you just said that so we do it without hesitation.

fartownik wrote:

I don't really see a point in voting for "???" right now, we know nothing about it. It really might flip anything, even Jester and then we would probably lose the game because we lynched it ;o It really makes no sense to discuss it right now, everyone that votes him (especially for no reason, just like kook did) pings for scum.
flip flop?

Tanzklaue wrote:

also there is literally nothing that is absurdly bastard that can screw us over. I think the modtalk here is deriving our attention from the goal: finding scum.
oh look that's probably correct. how the hell can you know that on D1 though 0.0

me wrote:

and before any of you get mad that I didn't even mention gut feeling, you all get mad when I do do it, so pick a side plz :P srsly, I haven't got any gut feelings so far this game, cause not enough has happened. occult stuff can't be explained using logical ideas :P
wow no one's seriously pointed this out

BRBP wrote:

According to wikipedia, it was named in honour of Franziska Countess von Hardenberg. That's three capital letters. PGO has three capital letters. Guys, the 15th person must be a lightning rod PGO. Seriously farto, that makes no sense. Team Poland is wayyy too focused on the 15h person. Can we like... Wait for it to do something first?
knowing LS I wouldn't be surprised

RB wrote:

God fuck the 15 person. Why can't we focus on scum hunting? Play it like a regular game.
fuck yeah. okay RB seems town for me

Royston wrote:

Okay, fine. I'm a motivator. I can target a person at night to "increase their role's effectiveness" (I presume it would give the role an additional action as on the wiki) and if possible it will take effect on the night it's used.
wat, roleclaiming for no reason.

Tsukasa wrote:

What? Motivator?

You've got to be kidding me... >.>
okay that just seems like you're pissed off because your whole read on D1 claimed an obv town role
and now as mafia you can't keep making people think you're doing stuff

aw fk NH replaced Caligno. I wanted to see what Caligno's thoughts on NH were

fartownik wrote:

I don't see anything exceptionally scummy in Blue Yoshi, but nothing exceptionally Towny as well.
good call. he ended up being Doctor. seems like something scum would want to figure out cause it's generally the optimal play for PRs

Yuno wrote:

youll just see
man you sure warned us LOL

BRBP wrote:

rEdo's sheeping farscumnik for unknown reasons?
where'd you get that from? funny how it matches my current read ATM

桜 wrote:

Sorry for intervening in your game, but according to the logs yuno has deleted a post 6 times. Just thought i'd let everyone know

Go on.
obv scum

Tanzklaue wrote:

if there is a person who knows everyones role, then this person might not have wanted to lynch the jester, especially if the person is townaligned, even if that's unlikely.

Tanzklaue wrote:

we should worry about actually doing something instead of speculations.
flip flop

DakeDekaane wrote:

Why you don't want to look for the guys in the wagon? Afraid of something? Do you know something that the rest don't?
pushing wagon analysis on a Jester? and one who was being fking annoying and confusing as hell too

aw damn it Tanz was town. so much for that

BRBP wrote:

Thanks for this, I completely forgot the game x_x
towntell

BRBP wrote:

You've asked this three times now but haven't posted yours yet. All you've said it that we three are suspicious for not posting on D2.
nice, BRBP is town

DakeDekaane wrote:

The people who are town may understand this better, as LS said that at the mere beginning of the game about our aligmnment, so if there isn't any kind of reviver, I think it's safe to consider dead people as town. Even you said "Saulus" (Yuno) convert to town after dead, so this is the most likely scenario.
scumslip? 0.0

k getting to the end

fartownik wrote:

I actually thought the kill on Tanz was a delay from scum, but Blue Yoshi's alignment was not revealed either, and that's from a lynch. Perhaps all the alignments are revealed with a 1-day delay, for some reason. No idea why his role didn't show up though.
wait, what? Tanz's alignment was revealed, he was a speedy reviver, whatever that is

fartownik wrote:

It's obvious Town should be careful, it's obvious the night is a dangerous time.
my god scumslip again

oh look these alignments got delayed. mb that's what he was talking about
pieguyn
vote: fartownik scumslip and flip flopping on D1
HoS: DakeDekaane for not really doing much. seems to match what he did as mafia, mb I'm just biased cause every game we've played together he was mafia

BRBP and Royston are town for me. rEdo would be leaning scum but he claimed dayvig inb4 mafia dayvig
pieguyn
also

Raging Bull wrote:

Damnit I bet you're vig now.

rEdo wrote:

Claim: Day Vigilante
WHAT
called so hard. too bad we don't yet know what alignment he even was
Royston

DakeDekaane wrote:

Royston, your action this night?
Um, I'm not sure I should say. I dunno if it would benefit town or scum more if I said who I targeted. Although I will say I didn't No Action last night

DakeDekaane wrote:

Royston wrote:

So, we're just gonna wait out until the mislynch, are we.
You just want to put the votes out from you but don't give any more hints about why should we not vote you.
@pieguy that's why I claimed btw


As for fart:

fartownik wrote:

Also, I find those Royston votes pretty scummy.

fartownik wrote:

Royston has a lot of silly votes on himself of people I consider scummy, I'm highly against lynching him.
He definitely seemed pretty sure I was town early on in the game. I mean, he's right, but keep in mind these posts were made before I claimed etc. and he didn't really explain why he thought I was town, just saying that scum was on my wagon.

I'm not really sure I agree with the "scumslips" you pointed out, probably because the same thing was used against me in the tooooohu game and I can't really say it's a strong argument
pieguyn
I'm not really sure I agree with the "scumslips" you pointed out, probably because the same thing was used against me in the tooooohu game and I can't really say it's a strong argument
the one about Tanz's kill being "delayed" when it was N1 and he flipped immediately is the main one
I fail to see how he'd think that if he was town @_@
Royston
Oh, right

Well, his role was given on flip, but his alignment wasn't.

LadySuburu wrote:

Oh, I should mention that the speedy reviver was town. That was supposed to be included in the day-end up above.
This was on page 35, at the beginning of N2
rEdo

pieguy1372 wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Damnit I bet you're vig now.

rEdo wrote:

Claim: Day Vigilante
WHAT
in Stacking the Deck it was the opposite, I was a townie and he was a vig, too bad I wasn't the one to shoot him this time though x)

DakeDekaane wrote:

anyone who would you target rEdo?
I still think it's Royston, but it was just basing on that "???" guy stuff, so it's not that relevant on a second thought. I'll reread this whole thread once I'm home (that is in like 8 hours).
fartownik
Sorry pieguy, but what the fuck are you talking about.

pieguy wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Okay, so if you're not lying and all the hints are important - we should probably lynch The 15 Person, unless you just said that so we do it without hesitation.

fartownik wrote:

I don't really see a point in voting for "???" right now, we know nothing about it. It really might flip anything, even Jester and then we would probably lose the game because we lynched it ;o It really makes no sense to discuss it right now, everyone that votes him (especially for no reason, just like kook did) pings for scum.
flip flop?
The first post is on page 12. The second one is on page 8. Why the fuck would you switch their order in your post? It's an obvious manipulation from you.

The post on page 8 was written when we knew nothing about "???", there was literally no information but the fact that we're able to vote it. When I was writing the post on page 12 we had 2 more hints from LS with that "Hardenbergia" thing which I thought was Serial Killer in the beginning, that's why I threw in a brief idea of lynching it, but later changed my mind after discussion, which you didn't bring up here too. I thought the hints mattered somehow at that moment, I don't now. Thoughts change throughout the game - especially in one like this.

pieguy wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I actually thought the kill on Tanz was a delay from scum, but Blue Yoshi's alignment was not revealed either, and that's from a lynch. Perhaps all the alignments are revealed with a 1-day delay, for some reason. No idea why his role didn't show up though.
wait, what? Tanz's alignment was revealed, he was a speedy reviver, whatever that is

fartownik wrote:

It's obvious Town should be careful, it's obvious the night is a dangerous time.
my god scumslip again
XD

First quote - p/2534469

Is speedy reviver an alignment? IS SPEEDY REVIVER AN ALIGNMENT? IS SPEEDY REVIVER A FUCKING ALIGNMENT?

Second one - p/2521895

Okay, so you missed this hint I suppose? Do you even read this thread or pretend to be doing so?


Your 'arguments' to vote me are fucking silly. You manipulate the quotes by bringing up things out of context, leaving important information such as I mentioned above.
pieguyn
The post on page 8 was written when we knew nothing about "???", there was literally no information but the fact that we're able to vote it. When I was writing the post on page 12 we had 2 more hints from LS with that "Hardenbergia" thing which I thought was Serial Killer in the beginning, that's why I threw in a brief idea of lynching it, but later changed my mind after discussion, which you didn't bring up here too. I thought the hints mattered somehow at that moment, I don't now. Thoughts change throughout the game - especially in one like this.
order switching doesn't matter cause the point is you had two different ideas. changing your mind again after that is another flip flop which is exactly what I meant

btw
Is speedy reviver an alignment? IS SPEEDY REVIVER AN ALIGNMENT? IS SPEEDY REVIVER A FUCKING ALIGNMENT?
my miss actually, it looked so similar to the first flip and I didn't notice there was no alignment there LOL. that's what I get for trying to read the whole thread at once = = in that case, unvote

vote: DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane

pieguy in his long post wrote:

DakeDekaane seems town for me.
uh, can i ask what made you change of opinion?

Going with meta is not the right way to go, you look too eager and the day has just started. You're also trying too hard in finding slips that actually they aren't, the "slip" you mentioned I meant to say "we the people who are town...".

Voting me for that reasons is a nice way to put you in my suspect list.
FoS: pieguy

Don't you mind if we share our reads? This goes to everybody.
pieguyn
fk this shit, just when I thought I had something I fk'ed up

you know something, by really weak PoE I get Dake, Tsukasa, and Rantai

3. pieguy <- town
5. DakeDekaane
6. Tsukasa
7. BRBP <- town
8. Royston <- town
10. kookookook
11. fartownik
12. rEdo <- if he's not town I'm flipping a table over on LS :>
13. Rantai
15. Lilac

fartownik I have to admit besides what I thought was a scumslip what you're doing doesn't match what I remember you doing as mafia. That just leaves 5 people. I'm assuming there's 4 mafia or 3 mafia/1 SK (there was only 1 death N1. Lilac being SK seems way too effing obvious to be the case but perhaps there was a successful protect or smth else, also seems it's not a vig cause probably they'd claim it)

I'm not sure how Dake even plays as town but his play this game has been similarly antitown just like, literally, all his other games I've seen (lol?).
I really wish I knew the alignments of those who died N2, especially NH's as it seemed like he could have been mafia. > <
kook isn't posting again. not sure if just new or if he's mafia mindgaming us

oh hey new post

DakeDekaane wrote:

uh, can i ask what made you change of opinion?
that was near the middle of D1, but since then my ideas have changed. that post was literally me typing out every single thing I thought and every quote that I thought might seem relevant, so there's bound to be some contradictions in there

Going with meta is not the right way to go, you look too eager and the day has just started. You're also trying too hard in finding slips that actually they aren't, the "slip" you mentioned I meant to say "we the people who are town...".
yeah Dake is mafia
I try to get some new information flowing and he says I'm "too eager". also I'll post whatever the hell I want if it means there's a chance I found a mafia
this is the exact same thing Caligno tried to do saying I was being "too opportunistic"
gogogo
pieguyn
EBWOP cause I know you're going to ask:
this is the exact same thing Caligno tried to do saying I was being "too opportunistic"
^ that happened in Lucid Dreamers, not this game
DakeDekaane
In what sense I'm playing anti-town?

Why do you think NH could be scum?

Also, I'm not Caligno, and I'm not scum. You're being nitpicky on every post and relying on meta too much, which is calling my attention now. I'm now interested on find if you're scum or not.

Also I found something interesting

pieguy wrote:

also Lilac is town
I don't think I missed it, but you didn't say why when BRBP asked.

And yes, your PoE is weak.
pieguyn
In what sense I'm playing anti-town?
you really haven't done anything the whole game, while still posting
also meta is valid reasoning. you're just trying to say it's not cause you know I'm right ;)

Why do you think NH could be scum?
gut feeling. Caligno seemed weird but he always seems weird

I don't think I missed it, but you didn't say why when BRBP asked.
wanna bet

You're being nitpicky on every post and relying on meta too much, which is calling my attention now. I'm now interested on find if you're scum or not.
so starting to analyze stuff more in-depth to figure stuff out is suspicious. ok
btw, if you're interested in finding out if I'm scum or not, why not try to figure it out yourself. that's exactly what I mean when I say you haven't done anything

And yes, your PoE is weak.
I'm gonna quote Two hope you don't mind

Two wrote:

and yet it's more compelling than anything you have or will post this game

beautifully illustrating my point
rEdo
so we're sharing thoughts? okay, let's get this going.


Royston wrote:

I bet the 15th player is LadySuburu in disguise

Lilac wrote:

Vote: LadySuburu

LEAP OF FAITH.
I kind of giggled


Yuno's case didn't give us any hints in hunting scum, it's pretty much what Rantai said - it was pretty much voting somebody that hadn't anything to say, thus drawing attention to himself as scum, but people who joined the wagon are either potential scum that looked for an easy no-suspicious lynch, or players that just wanted the game to go further (such as me).

pieguy looked like he's completely ignored that whole "let's hunt 15th person" wagon and actually searched for potential scum in people which were speculating the setup too much, so I'd say he's town to me.

Dake's posts have started to ping me pretty hard. he hasn't posted much after the Yuno's case being solved, but I guess that's due to mindfuck that occured, I had pretty much the same feeling. however after that, he just went for Tsukasa who was pretty much inactive, which would be supposed to give us a town-read, and that's the case in my opinion. the fact that he started to defend himself so hardly against pieguy's speculations by immediate turn of the scumlean to him by >Voting me for that reasons is a nice way to put you in my suspect list ­ kinda proved that, but I'd like to wait with my shoot/vote. also, he's never responded to Royston's p/2536772, which could've been an uncomfortable question.

Tsukasa... yeah, can't say much due to inactivity.

BRBP is town.

I've went too deep into Royston due to his idea of killing Hardenbergia, which on a second thought wasn't in place. actually since Lilac hasn't got any post restrictions of any kind and he hasn't been to much in this game, I'd say he's leaning town right now.

kook3 hasn't really done anything this game, not sure if he's even into this game... I could even shoot him right away, but I guess we've got a safer person for that.

fartownik has been speculating the 15th person a lot which I blatantly sheeped to cause it seemed as a right thing to do in order to get the game going, but except for that he just hunted the people that weren't active this game, as if looking for an easy lynch. could be either scum or a vivid scum-hunter, so I'd say he's giving me a null read.

I are scum :)) Shoot: rEdo

Rantai hasn't really said past the Hardenbergia case, and just picked up kook and Yuno as his scapegoats. there must some more of scum (I'd say 3), so there's a high possibility that he's one.

and yeah... Lilac. he's been introduced D2, and since then he barely said anything. not sure how should I read that.


alright, I think that should do.
FoS: DakeDekaane, Tsukasa, kookookook, Rantai, Lilac

I'M GOING TO SHOOT DAKE TODAY, IN THE NEXT HOURS I WANNA HEAR WHO'S OKAY WITH THAT.
Rantai
Rantai hasn't really said past the Hardenbergia case, and just picked up kook and Yuno as his scapegoats. there must some more of scum (I'd say 3), so there's a high possibility that he's one.
So. You missed me following leads on DD (who is still my strongest scumspect due to reasons tendered)? I guess that clearly means Kook and Yuno are my scapegoats (sarcasm). Actually I don't even know where you got that idea from, care to elaborate?

This gross omission of facts looks extremely rushed and I'm beginning to think you've thrown out opinions just to look like you're "analysing".

I'm still heavily concerned that Lilac is a possible 3rd party/mafia. Given the general inactivity and the fact that a 2nd kill suddenly turned up on the night after his arrival. Actually if I got back to the first day, I'm beginning to think cult that can shoot (is that what you call a cultafia?). Might seem farfetched but LS makes me believe anything at this stage. Unsure at this point.

Kook and Tsukasa are dead null.

I'm going to lean towards pieguy town. His general activity and pressure and hasn't actually contradicted himself as far as I can tell give me that vibe.

BRBP seems to be going off in random tangents but his quick debunking of fart's theory gives me a town lean, lessening any misguidance that may have happened. The rest of his posts, again, are somewhat erratic and null.

rEdo - Not sure if I actually believe your dayvig claim, if Lilac isn't anti-town then your claim seems to be quite a coincidence. But if you are, I'm up for a DD or Lilac shoot. Don't do it now though, I want to see what they have to say first.

I'm leaning slightly scum for fart due to early remarks (harder hints gave off a very unsettling feeling).
rEdo

Rantai wrote:

So. You missed me following leads on DD (who is still my strongest scumspect due to reasons tendered)? I guess that clearly means Kook and Yuno are my scapegoats (sarcasm). Actually I don't even know where you got that idea from, care to elaborate?

This gross omission of facts looks extremely rushed and I'm beginning to think you've thrown out opinions just to look like you're "analysing".
yes, I indeed saw you suspecting DD and I wanted you to mention it here - you get a passing mark. however, that doesn't change the fact that you were quite suspecting kook for no particular reason (p/2520095/), and yes, I exaggerated about Yuno, sorry for that. just wanted to see your reaction~

oh and yes, I won't hide that this post was written in quite a hurry.
Rantai
My remark about Kook was saying exactly the opposite.

When I say "feels too easy" then that basically means that something doesn't seem right.

You know the line; this is going well... too well. Something like that.
rEdo
oh, right, overlooked that one. I should read stuff thoroughly and with more patience, sorry :v

anyway, share your reads, guys. especially you, Lilac.
Royston

Lilac wrote:

V/LA until the 11th. I need to not play mafia so I can actually focus on Uni.

Thanks.
I don't know what V/LA means (Visiting Los Angeles? probably not) but I wouldn't expect a quick response


rEdo wrote:

he's never responded to Royston's p/2536772, which could've been an uncomfortable question.
he did actually p/2540861

I'll post my reads tomorrow, feeling sleepy
DakeDekaane
rEdo, don't waste your vig-shot on me, as nothing will change if you do. I suggest you to save your shot until the last hours of this day, when things can become clearer instead going for a rushed decision.

And as I was the one that suggested it, my reads:

Tsukasa -> town/scum depeding on NH's role flip, if any.
rEdo -> if the claim is true -> town
Royston -> if the claim is true -> likely town
BRBP -> leaning town?
pieguy -> his thoughts about NH doesn't convince me that much, he could be mafia/scum/even a third party, so I'm giving a null read for now.
kook, farto, Lilac and Rantai -> null, so scum should be in this group.

@Royston, if you motivate someone, he'll have the extra action the same night, or the next one?
rEdo

DakeDekaane wrote:

rEdo, don't waste your vig-shot on me, as nothing will change if you do. I suggest you to save your shot until the last hours of this day, when things can become clearer instead going for a rushed decision.
that's what I'm going to do, I just claimed it to force people to talk.
VoidnOwO
:)
pieguyn

DakeDekaane wrote:

rEdo, don't waste your vig-shot on me, as nothing will change if you do. I suggest you to save your shot until the last hours of this day, when things can become clearer instead going for a rushed decision.
assuming 4 mafia and the extra kill was just a vig shot or w/e, we can shoot you and not get penalized (in fact it's better cause dayvig kill > mafia kill) cause it'll make the parity correct. how does that make you feel :>

but knowing LS and what's happened so far, I'm almost certain there's a SK. there better not be 4 mafia and a SK

3. Tsukasa
6. kookookook
7. fartownik
10. Lilac
^ post your reads plz

Dake didn't even pressure me more when I even gave him an opportunity. if he really wanted to scumhunt I would expect he'd say something more kthx

I'm fine with you shooting him rEdo, but wait a bit longer plz. and thx for not using dayvig D1 without asking first

also I really want Lilac to roleclaim on second thought. I can't fking get the obvious possibility that Lilac is SK out of my head even if it's too basic for LS
Rantai
Actually speaking of Royston, do we have any proof he is actually a motivator?

Seems odd he made the claim, hasn't died and as far as I can tell no one has received a motivation. Before anyone gets antsy about fishing, we are getting precariously close to ly-lo/my-lo if we are on the worst case scenario (given 15 initially 3-4 scum sounds about right, given 10 alive and assuming no scum have died we're at 3-7 or 4-6). Any confirmation is good information at this stage.
pieguyn
yeah that's a good point
whoever was motivated by Royston plz say so
not sure if it's a good idea if this person claims the exact effects or not, but really we need everything we can get right now
Royston
No. The person was motivated by me, don't say anything, please.

DakeDekaane wrote:

@Royston, if you motivate someone, he'll have the extra action the same night, or the next one?
I asked the mod about it. The same night.

As for who I'm motivated (uhur geddit) to vote for, not a whole lot has changed. I'm still wary of Lilac. Dake too (yes for the same reason I stated when I voted him back in D1) kookookook for inactivity ( he should be unsilenced now?) and fartownik to some extent.

...Well, that's like half the remaining players, so I'm evidently wrong somewhere.
pieguyn

Royston wrote:

No. The person was motivated by me, don't say anything, please.
can you elaborate why plz
Royston
Wait, nevermind. I've changed my mind. Sure, go ahead.
pieguyn
wow
at least tell us what your idea was plz
Royston
Dohaahylafvbawshfpunaha
pieguyn
wat
Royston
Phtvapchalkhfvb,hwplnbf.hFvb!Dofhtbzahfvbhkvhaopzhavhtl? :(

If you decode this before others do don't reveal the message.
pieguyn
Royston I don't see how that's beneficial to town

worst case scenario only mafia bothers decoding it which I assume is the opposite of what you want to do. even if everyone decodes it, it's the same scenario as if you just post it except everyone has to use more effort = =
Royston
if nobody posts the decoded message soon and you don't let me know if you've decoded it then I'll just post it anyway, that's the worst case scenario; no big problem. I figured I may as well have a go on the small chance that you're able to decode it and no one else does as that would be beneficial to town

pls post more everyone
fartownik
Okay okay, I'm here. Sorry for the inactivity, reviewing almost the whole thread again wasn't the most appealing thing to do.

Let's begin from people I think are Town at the moment.

rEdo - if his claim is truthful (and I think it is) then he will be most likely confirmed Town, though an idea of a scum Dayvig in such game wouldn't be out of consideration, but I don't want to believe it. We should use it at the end of the day, when we have a solid candidate for the lynch. By the way, I was thinking about the setup after rEdo's claim and recalled Tanz's Speedy Reviver role. It was most likely a Day Reviver, put in the game for a Day Kill + Day Revive combo. Just a random thought.

Tsukasa - His behavior was out of meta for the whole game and I thought it's scummy, but it seems like it was simply out of inactivity (lack of time). If NH flips Town Cop then he will be confirmed Town in my eyes, so I guess we should resist from lynching him until tomorrow morning.

Above are more or less confirmed Town for me. Now the scum-leaning and null cases.

I will begin from Royston's code from the previous page. I actually managed to decipher it and the outcome was pretty funny.

Phtvapchalkhfvb,hwplnbf.hFvb!Dofhtbzahfvbhkvhaopzhavhtl
=
IAMOT IVATE DAYOU ,APIE GUY.A YOU!W HYAMU STAYO UADOA THISA TOAME
=
I MOTIVATED YOU, PIEGUY. WHY MUST YOU DO THIS TO ME?
It was a simple Caesar Code by the way.

Let's sum this up. pieguy pushes Royston to reveal his night target, Royston claims Motivating pieguy during the night. This situation is at least odd and I would like both to speak before I say anything important on the case, though it seems like one of you is lying.

Next scum-leaning is still kookx3. If he had no time to play the game he would ask for a replacement as I asked him, or like Tsukasa did. The whole game he's been lurking and posting unimportant things, nothing seemed productive in his play. The newbie card doesn't work here anymore.

Lilac is still an SK in my eyes. It would explain an additional kill the night he joined the game, and simply fits my interpretation of this game's intention. His ISO is really, really empty. Looks like nothing more than filler posts.

About the rest, I simply don't know. They're null for me and I can't seem to find a way to set even a brief lean-read on them. Results of neglecting the game, sorry for that.

I hope this helps however, especially the code part.
Lilac

fartownik wrote:

Lilac is still an SK in my eyes. It would explain an additional kill the night he joined the game, and simply fits my interpretation of this game's intention.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I can't fking get the obvious possibility that Lilac is SK out of my head even if it's too basic for LS
I think you're both forgetting about the doctor who got lynched.
Lilac
Regardless, Blue Yoshi got lynched D2 with only one vote by RB. No one could uniformly decide on a lynch and this is what we're getting. Accusations without firepower by a ton of people which makes scum easier to get away with doing little to seem town.

It's culling without conviction. Weaksauce.

I would elaborate more if I wasn't switching back and forth from work and this. I am V/LA for a reason.
Royston
wait, what Lilac? Blue Yoshi shouldn't have been lynched. That's the thing. I calculated the votes and at the end of D2 they were:

Tsukasa (2): DakeDekaane, kookookook
Blue Yoshi (1): Raging Bull
kookookook(1): fartownik
rEdo(1): pieguy1372
Lilac(1): Royston
fartownik(1): Lilac
DakeDekaane(1): Rantai
Royston(1): rEdo

@fart: There's two possibilites from my perspective.
a) pieguy is playing dumb
or b) he didn't get the message for whatever reason (target was switched to someone else or I was roleblocked)

I'm leaning towards b) at the moment, if only because I don't see a reason for scum to lie about being motivated or not, since I'm not a cop/gunsmith or something that could incriminate them
Lilac
Well. I suggest you scrutinize either the mod or Tsukasa then.

Cause one or both of them have some explaining to do.
Rantai
So wait what?

As far as I can remember motivations usually have messages for the receiver. Even if he didn't receive one, I'd assume that he at least got some sort of noticeable upgrade to whatever his role is. Only pieguy can tell us if he actually got anything I guess.

And oh great so now we have some sort of vote manipulation around too?
pieguyn
I didn't get a PM saying I got motivated
I checked with LS first to make sure I'd get a PM immediately (cause it might have been start of N4 instead) and I should have received one immediately 0.0

IMO most likely thing is that mafia roleblocked you just cause you were the only claimed PR. whoever fked with the votes needs to claim immediately though
Royston
Yeah, I sent it very early on in the night. So it's immediate? Interesting. So if I was roleblocked, that also means the person who roleblocked me was active around the time where night begun. Hmm...

Apologies for the weirdness by the way, freaked out when you of all people asked the person who gof motivated to reveal themselves. :P
pieguyn
I assume "immediately" meant at the end of N3 because it's impossible to know for sure if the motivation will work when you submit the action
Rantai
Did you try to motivate someone every night Royston?
Royston

Rantai wrote:

Did you try to motivate someone every night Royston?
I believe Dake asked this earlier, but I submitted "No Action" the first night. So last night was the first time I tried targeting someone.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I assume "immediately" meant at the end of N3 because it's impossible to know for sure if the motivation will work when you submit the action
Oh. I'm unfamiliar with how this kind of thing works...
pieguyn
mafia would have to be really ballsy or insane to claim they did nothing n1, then targeted someone n2 with an action which they knew wasn't true and then claim they got roleblocked. and then say they don't have a wincon in their PM on top of that

1. pieguy <- town
5. Royston <- town
8. rEdo <- town

2. DakeDekaane
3. Tsukasa
4. BRBP
6. kookookook
7. fartownik
9. Rantai
10. Lilac
^ just like this, we already have a >50% chance to lynch scum or SK, kthx

I think you're both forgetting about the doctor who got lynched.
do you know how hard it even is to get a successful protect N1
14 possible choices, 3 ~ 4 of which won't be NKed in the first place, and one that may or may not be possible to target depending on mod
also note how he just resorts to "doctor" and doesn't mention about other possibilities. like he planned to say it all along, rather than not knowing what might have happened

also, if anyone is responsible for Tsukasa not getting lynched D2, roleclaim now or die
pieguyn
you know what, I'm willing to bet my >50% chance on Lilac just based on what I mentioned in that post
but imo at this point it's not beneficial for town to lynch SK as then we get a 3-5 D4. I want SK to shoot scum first <3 cause that way it'll be 2-4-1 heading into D4.
scum might even shoot SK giving us a chance to get 2-5 or 3-4. (3-4 is just the same as 3-5 anyway cause town must NL)
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