"I have a backup plan" is not a valid answer to my question, and the fact that you said it's "backup" does not instill confidence in me that you really know today isn't MyLo.

You're basically asking us to take a risk, without actually telling us what the reward is. Add that with the fact that the people you've given inventions to are conveniently:
1. Scum and
2. Dead (I know you visited Royston, I don't know and can't confirm what you really gave him)
Thus, I'm not going to follow you, and it's becoming apparent that it was a mistake that I even claimed. You're screaming scum increasingly loudly.

Lilac wrote:

It may seem like a 33% chance is worse than a 66% chance but you can't ever be 100% sure anyway.

1. It is worse.
2. Yes, we can never be 100% sure.

Your two points are not even related. We can never be 100% sure, which is why we have to take as much of a % as we can get.

Alright. I concede but I'm still convinced of Dake being scum.

Heading to sleep now. Final note, farto should really commend you to have better scum play than me though. You actually gutted me really badly.

DakeDekaane wrote:

why Royston and why Cop?

Also you chose me having already Tanz and Jinxy as suspects, why they can't be scum together?

Votecount 3.1

No lynch (2) - Jinxy, Lilac (L - 2)

deadline is in 61:32

Tell me who would scum rather shoot, farto or Royston? Essentially I'm pretty sure farto would be the kill target, which he was and Royston would at least have enough chance to survive with his airhead approach. Although, I didn't know that both would die like that so that was a big mistake on my part.

Bulletproof is my last gift I can give anyway so who totally wants it?

I just realised when I couldn't sleep that a no lynch today would be we need all of town voting for mafia and that puts increased pressure on town. So I ask is it really worth to put that burden just for a higher chance? We've got a lot of evidence as is and we can still get more, I don't even know why I voted No Lynch...

By No Lynching to get a 66% chance of hitting scum, you're giving that opportunity to let scum deceive 3 people as opposed to 4.

Unvote. I'll think this through more carefully as well.

Also, I'm casting BRBP in doubt now. Scum dayvigs are possible and that's really gnawing at me. Paranoia.

Lilac wrote:

Alright. I concede but I'm still convinced of Dake being scum.

Whoa whoa whoa wait, you concede that you don't know for sure that today isn't MyLo, despite saying in bold that you could guarantee it? Honestly, my last post was an attempt to make you tell us the reason, and you just flat out conceded the point. So you're saying you completely lied, and I claimed for nothing?

well great honking job guy

Lilac wrote:

I just realised when I couldn't sleep that a no lynch today would be we need all of town voting for mafia and that puts increased pressure on town.

And then you're still pushing on for a lynch today? Also, that logic is flawed. We need 4 votes to hammer today, and there are 4 town. All of town is still needed to hammer mafia today.

No, I didn't lie. It's just not worth saying it.

You either have 4 town contributing or 3, the choice is yours.

Also, that conceding post was at 1AM when I was in my hotel room, gutted by your comment I could not sleep because of that, I was next to a snoring person and the room was too hot to sleep in. So obviously I wasn't in the best state of mind then.

BRBP, are you perhaps a Lyncher as well...?

Like, I'm pretty sure...maybe my imagination.

Also I can not see how more discussion will help scum at all.

So can other people like talk? You know, considering we have a confirmed dayvig and an implied PGO...

BRBP wrote:

Vote: Tanz

Tanzklaue wrote:

we're at MyLo, so of course we will no lynch if at the end of the day we don't have anyone to lynch who is 100% scum. anything else is pure suicide.

I agree that it's a suicide to you if vote for scum.

wow, you get rather ridiculous here.

the problem is that voting for BRBP is a big risk, a risk that we can't really take at this point. I am 99% sure that dake isn't scum at this point, except if there is another scumaligned roleblocking and/or hiding role (that thing with lilac and rb doesn't have to be necessarily true I guess), in which case we are honestly quite fucked regardless, from a role point of view.

BRBP, quickvoting won't help us here, if we vote, then we need to plan this out. you also are still so overly convinced of me being scum that it just seems really weird. no townie or scum would ever bite himself on one player for the whole game and tunnel on him like you do. you better explain your reasoning at this point, or we can start playing this as a LyLo with 3 town anyway.

also, mimi is awfully quiet, and hasn't said much beyond the point of BRBP ringing his scumbells.

I read the posts above.

Lilac wrote:

Also, that conceding post was at 1AM when I was in my hotel room, gutted by your comment I could not sleep because of that, I was next to a snoring person and the room was too hot to sleep in. So obviously I wasn't in the best state of mind then.

I will apologize for your lack of sleep, though the fact that you were that gutted from my arguments either means you're town and just didn't think things through, or you're scum and you have no rebuttal. I'm leaning with the latter, since at this point you're still keeping quiet about your so-called plan.

Lilac wrote:

Also I can not see how more discussion will help scum at all.

More discussion = More information for scum and they can then use that information to plan their actions, but there's no use now, more than enough has been today for them to make their plans, thanks to you

BRBP wrote:

I read the posts above.

Well, would you like a gold star for that? No use telling us that you read the thread when you certainly don't show it in your posts. We need reasons to your actions. What are your reasons for thinking Tanz is scum? Your previous post was literally "quote something irrelevant, and toss in some half-assed scumpainting in response".

Well, if that's how you interpret it. Slips are when

Whoops hit reply instead of preview, was checking if there were new posts while I got distracted by facebook

Anyway, slips are when something can be interpreted as scummy. I didn't see that from Tanz's post because that was a normal observation that's made in MyLo.

Also, back on topic, how about answering something actually useful instead of arguing about what constitutes a slip and what doesn't:

Jinxy wrote:

We need reasons to your actions. What are your reasons for thinking Tanz is scum?

Jinxy wrote:

More discussion = More information for scum and they can then use that information to plan their actions, but there's no use now, more than enough has been today for them to make their plans, thanks to you

And also more information to town as well...your point is essentially moot. The only information they have is roles, that's it.

Do we truly need that information today, though? We could have ended D3 with a NL and gave scum nothing to plan with during N3, before discussing everything to make the best decision D4 where our chances of lynching correctly are at their highest.

What decision could possibly be made? The only thing was your role was revealed. They're still going to have a hard time deciding with a PGO and someone who can give a bulletproof.

Even then they don't have all the information, I haven't said all of my role yet. I have one more thing I can do with my role on top of being Inventor and now scum are going to have to figure out what it is and see whether if their plan during N3 is worth it or not. Whether they have to calculate something new or not.

For now, I'm not pressuring to lynch anyone but I ask this question to everyone. If you wanted to lynch today, who would you lynch? (Apart from bloody BRBP.)

Sorry for not posting for so long ;3;
I don't really know what to say at this stage of the game (it IS my second game of mafia ;_;), and I had a bunch of other things to do on the weekend too.

I still think No Lynch can help us gather information tonight. I feel like there's too much at risk at this point. If we make use of our information roles and get the correct lynch on D4, then we can use player connections/PoE to find out who the last scum is.
It sucks that Jinxy is only left with a Voyeur... I guess we could use it to confirm someone along with Jinxy himself, perhaps Lilac since Jinxy is so suspicious of him x:

As for Tanz, I'm thinking he's most likely going to get killed tonight. However, on the off chance that the mafia targets someone else for whatever reason, he can check BRBP (even though he used his oneshot dayvig, he could still be mafia and therefore still have a gun right?) or whoever else he wants I guess.

Also, if I REALLY HAD to lynch someone, it would probably be Dake, because among all of the players here (myself included), we've had the least information on his role and his claim is incredibly ambiguous.
Plus, so far he's almost completely ignored BRBP whereas he has pretty much given everyone else some sort of attention (scum points for everyone lmao). And his post from earlier today, where he actually puts some of his attention on BRBP, seems somewhat friendly/open to him. On top of this, they're both very focused on Tanz, being the only ones who had their votes on him at the end of the day.

So you're claiming your role isn't just an Inventor now? How unique, compared to everyone else.

If I really, absolutely had to lynch today, it'd be you obviously. Claiming it's not MyLo without backing it up... well, to be specific, recently backing it up with an extra ability claim, which I don't buy at all. In my eyes, you're scum that's trying to get us to lynch today when it's harder to hit scum.

Actually, now that I look at it, what's this?

DakeDekaane wrote:

If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched?

(from Dake's first readlist which I had conveniently linked in my previous post, directed at Tanz I believe)

If I remember correctly, nobody said anything about RB protecting Dake...?

Oh my god I love my new avatar so much.

Ne ne Patchy, you didn't kill Satori-neechan right? ouo

RB's actions were discussed D2 iirc, going to look around there now to see if there's anything new we can interpret from it. Though, I don't really think Dake's scum, since it's highly likely he's a Commuter thanks to Tanz's investigation.

Wiki wrote:

The Commuter is a role that "leaves Town" each Night, thus making them ineligible to be targeted by Night actions. By extension, they cannot use any Night actions they may have.

Assuming pieguy isn't derping around and reinterpreting roles, there's no way Dake can kill as a Commuter.

Also, now that you mentioned it, Dake's character is Patchouli. It seems weird that Patchouli of all people would be scum and killed her friend's sister. Of course, this is all by flavour so relying on it too strongly isn't what I would recommend.

I'm pretty sure that Tanz could easily say he checked Dake and then say nothing happened while investigating him which could confirm his role as a scum pair which is my main point for a Dake and Tanz team. There's still a problem though if Tanz was scum and that is why did he make a roleblocker's existence be known if he was scum?

Anyway, getting up now.

votecount 3.2

No lynch (1) - Jinxy
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP

deadline is in 31:04

Now that I think better, Lilac, why didn't you give the Cop to BRBP, as he's the less likely to be targeted by scum as he's likely to be a VT now?

I know that my claim looks too convenient, but also yours Lilac. The only difference is that nobody can confirm your actions, that's why I doubt of you.

And Kitsune, yes, that was directed to Tanz for this: p/2472995/
He voted RB first and then focused on me when RB was in danger line.

Don't trust him enough, I doubt you would either. I still have my doubts that BRBP is town.

Well, we have less than a day left. Does anyone else want to contribute anything? man so this is what happens when a funnier game starts

From Lilac's question, Dake and Tanz haven't answered on who would they choose to lynch if forced to. Could you guys answer this?

I'm still not agreeing to a lynch today if no obvious scum comes out, by the way.

Jinxy wrote:

Well, we have less than a day left. Does anyone else want to contribute anything? man so this is what happens when a funnier game starts

From Lilac's question, Dake and Tanz haven't answered on who would they choose to lynch if forced to. Could you guys answer this?

I'm still not agreeing to a lynch today if no obvious scum comes out, by the way.

most likely you, but with the situation we have atm, I don't think lynching would be a good idea.

I'm also leaning towards not lynching anyone unless there's a really good plan.

Also, Dake's response doesn't really satisfy me. You just explained the context. The way you said "if you think RB is on my side then vote him, or maybe you're on his side" just looks like you're trying too hard to deny that you two may be associated, and you're switching around the blame. Also, I still think you trust BRBP too much. Also, as for Lilac, it is possible for someone to mostly confirm his actions (we've just had some uhh... bad luck with that so far), however it's somewhat difficult to confirm your role.

...Well in any case I think we should try to think of something.

Jinxy should be capable of confirming himself along with Lilac if they target the same person tonight. It is true that the person targetted may die tonight, but as long as the actions match up with their claims, that'd be enough for me. If Jinxy dies tonight then the targetted person can still confirm if Lilac is town. However if Lilac dies, then maybe we should have Tanz check Jinxy first, so we'd know if he's the one who kills Lilac or not.

We can also neglect Jinxy and have Tanz target BRBP so we have results on everyone in the game.
I dunno. Somebody think of something more guaranteed for me. I'm just a pink marshmallow~

Kitsunemimi wrote:

...Well in any case I think we should try to think of something.

Jinxy should be capable of confirming himself along with Lilac if they target the same person tonight. It is true that the person targetted may die tonight, but as long as the actions match up with their claims, that'd be enough for me. If Jinxy dies tonight then the targetted person can still confirm if Lilac is town. However if Lilac dies, then maybe we should have Tanz check Jinxy first, so we'd know if he's the one who kills Lilac or not.

We can also neglect Jinxy and have Tanz target BRBP so we have results on everyone in the game.
I dunno. Somebody think of something more guaranteed for me. I'm just a pink marshmallow~

me targetting BRBP won't help us as far as I'm concerned.he as a dayvig should still carry guns around, though I can't know for sure ofc.

your method for confirming both liac and jinxy has the same problem that exists with me confirming dake; if they are both scum, then they can just lie. basically nobody can be really confirmed at this point I think.the only confirmations that could happen would be me dying, which would confirm dake if no shenanignans happened.

In my opinion, the likelihood of them both being scum is low, especially after seeing their behaviour with each other here on the third day. There's always a small chance of pretty much any scenario, as you can't 100% confirm anyone to be town, but I'm willing to leave the less likely possibilities to the side because we won't get anywhere if we don't.

Also I thought you said dayvigs don't carry guns. And if he wasn't lying about what he said, he should be VT now.

Why does nobody post here anymore ;___;
Damn you mafia it's all your fault for killing fart ;__;

BRBP wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

me targetting BRBP won't help us as far as I'm concerned.he as a dayvig should still carry guns around, though I can't know for sure ofc.

My daykill was a spell, not a "physical" weapon. Unless you can detect used spells too (wat), it could help if you targeted me.
Except that you're scum and you targeting me kills me

I thought I already established that for reasons mere humans cannot comprehend every role that would normally have a gun flavour still has it.

and as much as I wish I could kill you, I sadly can't. because you get really annoying.

I also consulted the almighty wiki, and yea, lyncher seems like a possibility. lyncher gets commonly paired with a one-shot kill ability. like you conveniently have. but like already established, we don't really have any obvious 100% scum yet, and the deadline is almost reached. I won't be here before the deadline hits, so I will give my vote now.

Vote: No Lynch

Lyncher would have a one-shot lynch ability. At least I did in Video Game mafia.

With 12 hours left I guess I'll claim that I have a night vig and I'll either shoot Dake or Jinx at this point. No objections? Good.

Lilac wrote:

Lyncher would have a one-shot lynch ability. At least I did in Video Game mafia.

With 12 hours left I guess I'll claim that I have a night vig and I'll either shoot Dake or Jinx at this point. No objections? Good.

so you are a nightvig?

why do you have 2 PRs? why do you tell us now that you have nightvig, which can be claimed as scum rather easily, since you can back up the kill?

also, we are at mylo, and shooting the wrong person ends in town losing. using the vig ability now is literally the worst thing you could do, if you are town.it's literally the dumbest thing, because it basically nullifies the no lynch, but instead of losing because the entity of town decided to misslynch, it is upon ones hand.

all in all, a weak claim, and if it is a true claim, then it would be really dumb to shoot.

Then you'll know whether I'll shoot the right person or not. It's also why I wanted a lynch on someone as to lessen the chances of hitting the wrong person.

You can deny the claim but it won't matter if you see two dead bodies tomorrow night.

actually, no.

shoot dake. if I am right, then he shouldn't die. if I am wrong, then he is scum and we don't care.

if he still flips town, gg dake, you messed up.

Are you essentially telling me to waste a vig shot on a guy who has the possibility to hide? Don't get me wrong, I think his role is rubbish but it might be a well-constructed piece of rubbish.

I'm fairly certain if he's a Godfather he'd have some sorta one shot bulletproof thing rendering my shot null too.

are you essentially telling me that you planned to shoot jinxy either way and just threw dake out there for good measures?

again, a godfather would have given me a result. I got a no result on him. he isn't a godfather.
your shot essentially will be wasted in any case other than hitting scum. if you waste it on the guy who maybe won't fall dead when you look at him funny (and then shoot a gun), you not only confirm the guy for yourself, but also town isn't dead. it's win-win.

essentially, you sound liek you are afraid of not killing two people tonight. why are you so eager to kill a second person this night? or do you trust yourself that you can block the mafia nightkill?

Well it's mafia's decision who and what is the bigger threat.

It's up the mod what interpretation of what they want to happen for Godfather. Either an innocent or no scan, but I guess pieguy would be avid to the wiki.

Jinx, voyeur Dake and see if I do actually shoot. There'll probably a flavour distinction between mafia and vig kills anyway so.

Vote: Lilac

I don't think BRBP is a Lyncher, nor believe your 1-shot vig, while you claimed Inventor, I don't think pieguy would do weird stuff like this. Lies have no room in town.

I don't lie.

Ever.

votecount 3.3

No lynch (3) - Jinxy, Tanzklaue, Lilac (L - 1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
Lilac (1) - DakeDekaane

deadline is in 10:03

Wait what the fuck a nightvig seriously

Lilac wrote:

Jinx, voyeur Dake and see if I do actually shoot. There'll probably a flavour distinction between mafia and vig kills anyway so.

...Alright, I can do this, and you better do this. If D4 starts tomorrow and town has lost because you decided to be an idiot and shoot me the night before LyLo I will hate a fucking hole through the internet and your monitor and punch you through it I swear

Actually... wait a moment. What is your flavour for your nightvig? Why does Nitori have a nightvig ability?

Why isn't Yukari scum after stating that Cirno was persuaded by other people that 'good' things would happen?

I thought you were against flavour.

I am against using only flavour to accuse someone

I am not against using flavour to verify someone's abilities

Tanzklaue wrote:

flavour does hint at the role. up until now, every claim made sense, and the flavour fitted the role.

Nice job skirting around the question, scum

Says the guy who voted for every town so far, not to mention the amount of reluctance to hammer RB was over the roof.

You need to try much differently than that.

Really? Please show me where that "reluctance" is.

But I digress. I said, stop skirting around the damn question. I am not going to agree with the plan if you can't even answer a simple flavour verification.

Nitori Kawashiro.

If you still can't figure it out, I had inventions to give out to the party because I was eager to show them around but now since the incident happened, I figured it would be best to give them out to help others.

The vig shot was something I did not want to give out though and hence I have to use it myself. If I had the choice, I would have given it to someone else to use since the burden of a vig is terrible to me. Are you happy now?

Also, do you really want me to show you the reluctance? I completely can.

Jinxy wrote:

As of now, though, I have no reason not to believe them and thus Vote: RB . 1 and a half hours to day's end so I doubt anyone else has anything to say, anyway.

No reason not to believe them? Since when did you listen to anyone else ever? When did you ever vote without like...giving a case? Where the hell did your arrogance go then?

Come on, enlighten me.

Really Jinx? I thought better of you.

Lilac wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

As of now, though, I have no reason not to believe them and thus Vote: RB . 1 and a half hours to day's end so I doubt anyone else has anything to say, anyway.

No reason not to believe them? Since when did you listen to anyone else ever? When did you ever vote without like...giving a case? Where the hell did your arrogance go then?

Come on, enlighten me.

I listen to people when they make goddamn sense. fartownik and Royston's claims made sense and my results did not prove otherwise either, so I felt they were Masons. Why would I have any real reason to not believe them? It's not like you didn't believe them either.
On the other hand, you didn't make any fucking sense when you said today wasn't MyLo, and then you revealed you had no true way of knowing that and claimed a vigshot which you could as easily just misfire, or better yet, be scum and make us lose by mislynching on MyLo.

I don't even see how giving a case for voting = not listening to anyone ever, that's fallacious bullshit. It's not like my votes were all just randomly placed for the fun of it. I read the thread, agreed with some people, disagreed with others, and proceeded to vote using what I believe in. Then I let everyone know exactly why I voted and how I come to my conclusions. How the hell is that not listening to anyone else ever? If you consider that arrogance, then fucking whatever. I'm here to find scum unlike someone else stringing together some fallacious bullshit (which by the way, I still can not see how is linked to "reluctance") to scumpaint a townie.

Jinxy wrote:

I don't even see how giving a case for voting = not listening to anyone ever, that's fallacious bullshit.

You've taken my words completely out of context in that whole second paragraph of what you wrote. Starting with that comment right there. I wasn't even talking about you not listening to anyone ever to begin with and you somehow magically pulled that out and stated that's what I meant. I meant you didn't even give your own interpretation as to why RB could have been scum at all before voting and that's definitely not something you've ever done in this game from memory.

To also say that I'm not finding scum is a tall tale. It's arrogance and anger that's taking control of you and I don't like it at all.

Jinxy wrote:

or better yet, be scum and make us lose by mislynching on MyLo.

It's better for me to be scum and make us lose by mislynching on MyLo? Are you reading what you write? I might not have made any sense but you don't either. Get out, stop posting and think before you write any of your posts from tomorrow onward. If you want anyone to listen to you, that is.

(1000th post, I win)

votecount 3.3

No lynch (3) - Jinxy, Tanzklaue, Lilac (L - 1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
Lilac (1) - DakeDekaane

So it was decided they'd lynch no one again. Remi stepped into the room to confirm what they were going to do.
"really, no one again? Jeez, you guys are no fun.. I'd think it'd be more fun lynching the crap out of people every day."
and so just like that, another day ended without a lynch.

It is N3. deadline is 8/15 9:00 GMT (24:00 from now)

I'm saying that with the intention to help you and to help yourself.

If you really are town, you're going to screw us up with your bloody attitude.

The first one, I didn't get what you were trying to say at all. You could have just said it straight to the point: "I meant you didn't even give your own interpretation as to why RB could have been scum at all before voting", instead of some crap about not listening which I took word for word from your stupid post. "Magically". And RB voted a claimed Mason; what the hell is there to fucking interpret?

The second one is called sarcasm dear

hey guys quit posting at night plz
(I should probably shut up cause I did the same in Mystery Mafia ._.)

everyone woke up to find another person missing. They ran to Nazrin's room and found a wide assortment of guns scattered all over the place. It seemed, given her specialty was finding things, that that's what she was looking for. unfortunately, it seemed she didn't remember to unload them, so it turned out someone got the better of her and used one of them to shoot her while she was sleeping..

Tanzklaue (Nazrin) - Gunsmith - killed N3

finally someone died? fufufu ~ this is way more interesting than you all not lynching anyone all the time. So hurry up and get to it!

It is D4. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is 8/18 9:00 GMT (71:21 from now)

You know, I'm surprised no one called me out on having only 3 abilities in a 12-man game, but it's for the better, anyway.

My 4th and last ability, which I kept hidden while claiming because I didn't trust Lilac, is that I am a 1-shot cop. It's also why I didn't quite believe he really gave Cop to Royston.

Investigated Lilac last night, and he turned up scum.

Vote: Lilac.

Now, to clarify because I didn't have time to post more yesterday before Night, I used the term "better" sarcastically because as scum, making us lynch on a MyLo day would obviously be better for you.

Yeah, I was hoping I didn't have to claim it on LyLo so I wouldn't have to go through a scum trying to accuse me back, but fart and Royston's deaths due to sibling-hood caught me unaware.


Now, for reasons why Lilac is scum:

Firstly, his actions. His first action was given to scum (RB), his second action was thrown onto Royston who died making it unconfirmable, and I even doubt it's a Cop role in the first place. He then said he'll give BP "randomly" yesterday, so he can easily toss it off onto his scumbuddy. None of these actions are confirmable as town.

He then "guarantees" that D3 was not going to be MyLo, without giving any actual reason then. Further pressing proved that he couldn't "guarantee" it in the first place, and was only a possibility if he shoots scum with a vigshot. He was asking us to lynch someone because there miiight be a possibility that it wasn't MyLo, and from today's results, it certainly would have been game over for us if we had followed his idea.

His last few posts are also very scummy. I ask him how Nitori has a nightvig in terms of flavour, and instead of directly answering me, he goes on a tangent on how I was against flavour and deliberately avoided the question until I pressed further. His excuse was honestly very flaky too. Nitori has a secondary ability of a 1-s vig because she decides not to give it out, despite giving everything else out? From how everyone else so far only has 1 ability, I don't buy his excuse.

Then he scumpaints me with the worst argument I've ever heard. Apparently voting for someone who voted a claimed Mason requires a textwall of explanations, which I didn't provide and thus was "reluctant" to vote for RB. I felt fart was possibly a mason because 1. He protected Royston, and 2. My check on him N1 did not say he had an ability. It's that simple.

Edit: 1 type of ability, like a sibling, reviver, JOAT etc. Lilac claimed Inventor + 1-Shot Vigilante.

You must be desperate. A claim of cop this late to the game when it's mylo now could easily mean that you, as scum, try to claim a cop role, sling off that someone who is actually a townie is 'scum' by your 'cop' claim and then take the easy win.

It would be a good plan except it flaws for two reasons.

1. I didn't mention at all of having a 1-shot vigilante. I merely claimed that I 'have a nightvig' so bringing up the 1-shot part to it is awfully bad.

2. You shot the wrong person last night.

By shooting Tanz, scum has essentially lost this game. Do you know why...?

I'll give you a moment to think about it. I do concede though, what I did was completely regrettable.

Lilac wrote:

You must be desperate. A claim of cop this late to the game when it's mylo now could easily mean that you, as scum, try to claim a cop role, sling off that someone who is actually a townie is 'scum' by your 'cop' claim and then take the easy win.

I already know that you can accuse me of that. I was planning to do it before MyLo/LyLo, but circumstances did not allow me to do it.

Jinxy wrote:

Yeah, I was hoping I didn't have to claim it on LyLo so I wouldn't have to go through a scum trying to accuse me back, but fart and Royston's deaths due to sibling-hood caught me unaware.

Lilac wrote:

1. I didn't mention at all of having a 1-shot vigilante. I merely claimed that I 'have a nightvig' so bringing up the 1-shot part to it is awfully bad.

"Have" implies a 1-shot. "Am" implies a multiple-shot vigilante.
And even so, I don't see how this is even relevant. Hell, it's even more unlikely for an Inventor + Vigilante to exist than an Inventor + 1-shot Vigilante.
Good job digging yourself deeper there.

Lilac wrote:

2. You shot the wrong person last night.

By shooting Tanz, scum has essentially lost this game. Do you know why...?

I'll give you a moment to think about it. I do concede though, what I did was completely regrettable.

I don't know what you're trying to pull here and honestly, I don't care. I have a mafia result on you and that's all that matters to me.

I don't think you thought this through enough.

Tanz died and flipped town. He was a gunsmith so everything he said about what he was doing was not a lie. This brings us back to when he scanned Dake, he turned out to have no result which means Dake was right about his claim on being a hider.

I also had the threat to shoot Dake and I was going to...except if Dake was actually town. So I didn't shoot him, instead I bulletproofed BRBP. However, there would have been no way that scum would have known, they'd just know that I might shoot Dake.

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.

If they knew Dake was town, scum could have killed anyone and win, hiders don't hide everyday and back then it was shown that Dake had to hide if the result from Tanz was correct so scum could easily just wait for me to shoot him to win.

So now, we essentially have a confirmed town of Dake and Mimi as hider and PGO, leaving BRBP as mafia dayvig and Jinxy with some unknown mafia role.

Vote: BRBP. Since I bulletproof'd him last night, I can shoot Jinx during the night. Game win.

BRBP's want for Tanz to get completely lynched makes him fall under lyncher, scum or SK and is essentially the best scenario lynch either way.

Unless you're telling me otherwise, Jinx? o_o

Nah. You have fine English.

So now that your tunnel lynch is dead, BRBP, what now?

Unvote. Just on the odd chance that BRBp isn't scum and also I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this just in case scum decide to quick hammer.

Did you even evaluate my reasoning...or even Jinx's reason at all?

I am now relatively convinced that Lilac is scum. What Jinxy said sounds about right to me and is fairly believable in my opinion.
This also completely changes my view on BRBP + DD but I still haven't fully figured it out so I don't have any conclusions on them yet.

I'm tired as shit though and I barely had any sleep last night so I'll make a more proper post once I'm actually awake.

Wait wait, what...?

Are you kidding...?

Wow... I don't even... Ugh...

It doesn't really help that you claimed (x-shot) nightvig along with your inventor role that you've conveniently messed up to be unconfirmable until now. And you went back against what you said you were going to do last night ._.

I don't really understand/believe the reason that you gave us for not shooting Dake last night. It makes it look like you were trying to avoid something.

I was trying to avoid a town death just in case Dake was town.

Tanz essentially confirmed him to be town now since his role showed it and with PGO more than likely to be town.

Don't let Jinx deceive you, the cop claim is just a quick way to get me lynched to win the game cause that's the "easiest" way. What else do you want?

Yeah but I don't know why you'd agree with Tanz on shooting Dake in the first place if you considered the possibility of him being town in the first place. Also, we were under the assumption that he's a commuter.

Lilac wrote:

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.

This part doesn't really make much sense...

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?

I really wish I could have more time to stay up but it's midnight as is now and I really don't blame what choice you make.

If you want to wait for me until I wake up in 7 hours then that would be lovely, otherwise I understand. I've given my reasons through PoE anyway.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Yeah but I don't know why you'd agree with Tanz on shooting Dake in the first place if you considered the possibility of him being town in the first place. Also, we were under the assumption that he's a commuter.

Lilac wrote:

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.

This part doesn't really make much sense...

Which part doesn't make sense? I didn't really agree, I even said in one of my post to Jinx to scan Dake "to see if I shoot him". I might look terrible by not holding to that promise but I'm glad I didn't otherwise we would have lost the game.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?

Short answer, during that night, it could have ended into two townie deaths if I shot differently and a lynch on that day would have shorten the chances but I still might have been wrong IF I was randomly shooting.

Ugh, the amount of regret giving BRBP BP is too much.

I have no idea what you were trying to say at all here. p/2508052

So, you claim you didn't actually try and shoot Dake because you felt he might be town and didn't want to risk a town death? Dake's a Commuter, he wouldn't have died even if you shot him. More like you couldn't actually shoot him so you made that excuse.

And after reading and rereading the post, you never actually get to the point where you're defending yourself. You conclude that Dake and Mimi are town, and then proceed conclude that I'm scum with BRBP, and you never give any reasons to say why you can't be scum. You don't have a real argument, and you're just trying to bluff through my result.

I'm going to sleep, too. I expect a hammered scum when I wake up tomorrow.

Before putting my vote

@BRBP: Did you receive the BP from Lilac?

@Lilac: knowing that I'm a commuter (not a hider), why did you tell you were going to shoot me? Also, if Jinxy uses Voyeur on me, he gets nothing, and yet you said him to do it.

The one thing that irks me the most was the way Lilac interacted with RB. Like, I'm having a lot of difficulty getting that and the idea that Lilac is mafia to work together. It's as if he's super pro-town one day, and then he suddenly gets kinda weird the next day, and now he's become all scummy because of that.

It makes me think of the possibility that Lilac is a Mafia Traitor, and RB wasn't aware of him, and he took advantage of that to give him instant towncred to propel him all the way through to the end of the game. He was in a good position to do it too, with 3 dead (including a 2-shot reviver) by the first day. I'm not fully sure of how traitors work however.

Another possibility would be that he's a survivor, and with the odds beginning to stack against the town, he made the switch to attempt to side with mafia. This one seems to work out pretty well, but then the problem would be that the faction ratio would then be rather messed up.

Lilac wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?

Short answer, during that night, it could have ended into two townie deaths if I shot differently and a lynch on that day would have shorten the chances but I still might have been wrong IF I was randomly shooting.

Then you shouldn't have claimed in the first plaaaaace @_@
Like, I literally can't find any reason for you to claim so randomly like that and say you're going to shoot someone but not do it. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your intentions here, but the only the only thing you've managed to do (at least according to my interpretation) is totally confuse everyone.

It was to confirm whether Jinx's role was bogus or not. He stated two actions that were essentially something anyone could claim. Are you telling me you could commute everyday?

And if you had a one-shot cop, why wait until LyLo to use it? Why of all times?!

I'll tell you why I'm not scum. I admit to stuffing up twice. Stuffing up giving Jailkeep to scum and stuffing up giving cop to a dead guy, with the help of farto I got the roleblocker lynched. I admit that I might have given bulletproof to one of the last remaining scum. Most of all, I don't wait until LyLo to reveal all of my role.

If Jinx used Voyuer he still would have got an attempt for me to shoot you even if I did.

I might not have shot like I did but Jinx didn't use his voyeur like he said he would either.

even if you were commuter and commuted and I actually shot*

I got 'weird' by just complete overconfidence in my role. I mean an Inventor with 1-shot vig? Who wouldn't?