so everyone is now either voting no lynch or one person and noone actually has multiple votes on him, do I see that right?
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I thoguht Qua had 2 votes unless Caligno unvoted him
I don't know, there is no vote count to easily check this.
I go through the thread and make n improvised one.
I go through the thread and make n improvised one.
No Lynch: quara, me
quara: BRBP, caligno
rantai: tsukasa
RB: pieguy
me: fart
if there is an error, say it.
quara: BRBP, caligno
rantai: tsukasa
RB: pieguy
me: fart
if there is an error, say it.
you know something, Caligno said Tanz was pinging some "secret mafia vibes", but afaik caligno only played one game so far and Tanz was town that game
unvote vote: Caligno
unvote vote: Caligno
lincolm said that he was someone? and sakura was impressed, so he probably is either an oldfag or a big guy in the mafiascene.
he still only played one game here, I think. and definetly only one game with me.
he also could get those vibes out of experience, if he judges me right. I don't think personally that it is a real reason you can attack him for.
Tanz & Caligno best scumteam 2013 
srsly, I wanna see what he says first
srsly, I wanna see what he says first
I think I should stop posting here honestly, I am not any better than I was earlier today :/
I have experience off this site, yes. I'd link to my wiki page, but it hasn't really been updated in a couple years.
The specific tell I'm seeing here was something subtle I used to win my first game as mafia. I've noticed in other games that town really don't do this. It's a player-irrelevant tell.
I'm not going to reveal exactly what it is, though, since then it won't be effective anymore.
The specific tell I'm seeing here was something subtle I used to win my first game as mafia. I've noticed in other games that town really don't do this. It's a player-irrelevant tell.
I'm not going to reveal exactly what it is, though, since then it won't be effective anymore.
@pieguy: I had a gut feeling on RB as well, so it might be not that stupid. I thought Tanz would be more suitable for now, but that long post of his defending himself made me confused.
Also I will be heading to the bed, won't post for next 8 hours or so.
k unvote vote: RB
fartownik, even if I say you're town, you're doing exactly what I remember you doing as mafia (following what everyone else says)
fartownik, even if I say you're town, you're doing exactly what I remember you doing as mafia (following what everyone else says)
how can you use a scumtell as mafia to win the game?CalignoBot wrote:
I have experience off this site, yes. I'd link to my wiki page, but it hasn't really been updated in a couple years.
The specific tell I'm seeing here was something subtle I used to win my first game as mafia. I've noticed in other games that town really don't do this. It's a player-irrelevant tell.
I'm not going to reveal exactly what it is, though, since then it won't be effective anymore.
Can I know what it is then?pieguy1372 wrote:
k unvote vote: RB
fartownik, even if I say you're town, you're doing exactly what I remember you doing as mafia (following what everyone else says)
Also
Unvote
Vote: RB
It was something I used to help me win, and I saw later that other people did it as well. I have yet to see town do this.
so you say that it is a specific error you did and it helped you win the game?
I assume you meant Caligno and not me cause my reason was right there in the post
I meant caligno, yes.
that was directed at fartownik @_@
guys, let's say the name of the guy we're talking too, else it is confusing.
because if it is something that you can see scum doing, and you could tell that they are scum from that tell, then it has to be an error or a slip of some sorts I imagine.CalignoBot wrote:
I don't understand where you got error from.
just tell us what your superspecial tell is. we can evaluate (and understand) it then.
@pieguy: I wanted to know exactly what it was, but I guess it's just in general so nvm that.
EBWOP: I take a 'final look' at the mafia thread, I post and then want to leave but there's another new post in the other game :< I will never go sleep this way.
Tanz the whole point of a secret tell is that once people know what it is they don't do it anymore making it useless
fartownik: I noticed it in a few points (too lazy and tired to go pointing out each one) and then you immediately came up with RB out of nowhere right after I did..
fartownik: I noticed it in a few points (too lazy and tired to go pointing out each one) and then you immediately came up with RB out of nowhere right after I did..
and my point is that his secret tell isn't worth a damn thing if he doesn't say what it is. might just as well be made uppieguy1372 wrote:
Tanz the whole point of a secret tell is that once people know what it is they don't do it anymore making it useless
as someone who uses secret tells I can assure you they exist
I can understand people not believing in them quite as much but for someone like me they're worth something..
I can understand people not believing in them quite as much but for someone like me they're worth something..
and I am still intrigued in what actually is his tell.
because he contradicted himself. he said he used that secret tell to win his first game AS mafia. but how in the world do you use a secret tell against mafia to win as mafia? that's my point.
because he contradicted himself. he said he used that secret tell to win his first game AS mafia. but how in the world do you use a secret tell against mafia to win as mafia? that's my point.
I know that secret tells exist, but you normally don't say "hey guys, I have a secret tell on him!"
You might seem it as 'out of nowhere', but I had him in mind for some time already. It was just a random reply as you mentioned him, I would do that tomorrow anyways. I was just glad someone else had the same gut feeling as me.pieguy1372 wrote:
fartownik: I noticed it in a few points (too lazy and tired to go pointing out each one) and then you immediately came up with RB out of nowhere right after I did..
RB is just awkwardly quiet. I like to think the mafia is usually the person you least expect him to be, especially in the game with only experienced players. From that RB would be the one I could throw off the hat.
Tanz: probably it's some trick that only mafia can do
but I'm not mafia.pieguy1372 wrote:
Tanz: probably it's some trick that only mafia can do
Unvote
things have changed. maybe lynching isn't as bad as I thought.
@Tanz: saying you're not mafia all the time won't really do anything. People can't believe your word so it's useless, even if your intentions are 100% true. That's how this game works...
EBWOP: Good night.
I know that, I just have not much else to say to really defend myself. I already said everything I had to say.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT
Let me know if there's any mistakes.
Quaraezha: BRBP, CalignoBot
Raging Bull: pieguy1372, fatownik
No Lynch: Quaraezha
Rantai: Tsukasa
Raging Bull: pieguy1372, fatownik
No Lynch: Quaraezha
Rantai: Tsukasa
Let me know if there's any mistakes.
Yet I'm magicaclly active when I'm mafia 
I'm doing a lot less hopping around than you did pieguy, your vote on me was based on me rather no lynching or lynch. As you can see, I didn't even vote for any of them. I never made some finalized voting yet because I'm still for lynching someone.
I'm also curious why the hell you voted for Calingo, you posted here that Calingo has been doing a lot of posting, and then you jump and vote on him based on his experience?What? And then you hop back on me after Calingo replies that he played more than one game off site. I find it hilarious how you are now voting based on experience in the game.
And seriously, you were all for no lynching here too, and then you decided (imo) to write a half ass post to put suspicions on me. Let's also forget that you haven't answered my question here. I asked why the hell you wouldn't scumhunt on D1 instead. I don't think cutting to the chase means avoiding question.
Vote:pieguy
I really don't care if you guys think this is OMGUS. pieguy is just reading scum to me. He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.
I'm doing a lot less hopping around than you did pieguy, your vote on me was based on me rather no lynching or lynch. As you can see, I didn't even vote for any of them. I never made some finalized voting yet because I'm still for lynching someone.
I'm also curious why the hell you voted for Calingo, you posted here that Calingo has been doing a lot of posting, and then you jump and vote on him based on his experience?What? And then you hop back on me after Calingo replies that he played more than one game off site. I find it hilarious how you are now voting based on experience in the game.
And seriously, you were all for no lynching here too, and then you decided (imo) to write a half ass post to put suspicions on me. Let's also forget that you haven't answered my question here. I asked why the hell you wouldn't scumhunt on D1 instead. I don't think cutting to the chase means avoiding question.
Vote:pieguy
I really don't care if you guys think this is OMGUS. pieguy is just reading scum to me. He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.
What I read is:Tanzklaue wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
I know you will give me even more scumcred for that, but I honestly don't see anyone else who is lynchworthy at this point.
Mod: votecount and remaining time, please.
That's 3 strikes.Tanzklaue wrote:
OMG I agree with Caligno against Qua.
Nah I'll Follow Qua's NL"
And What I read isTanzklaue wrote:
Tsukasa is scum.
Vote: Tsuk-- Let's make that No LynchTanzklaue wrote:
Look at me I'm AtE'ing. I ish town
Vote:Tanz
well tsukasa, if you want it so badly...
Vote: Tsukasa
Vote: Tsukasa
[quote="Tanzklaue]OMGUS[/quote]
Yah. It's supposed to be ball 4
Not strike 4
Yah. It's supposed to be ball 4
Not strike 4
I really have no reason to believe that you'r eanything different than scum atm.
you're just senselessly aggressive towards me. pressure? ok. reactiontesting? sounds cool.
what you do? go totally nuts, overread everything, give everyone who votes your scumsuspects a direct townread and everyone who disagrees a direct scumread. really, I don't even see how you think this behaviour can be of any use to town.
you're just senselessly aggressive towards me. pressure? ok. reactiontesting? sounds cool.
what you do? go totally nuts, overread everything, give everyone who votes your scumsuspects a direct townread and everyone who disagrees a direct scumread. really, I don't even see how you think this behaviour can be of any use to town.
Well if you stop contradicting yourself and stop AtE'ing then maybe
Vote: No Lynch
I still firmly believe my points, no one has convinced me otherwise.
I still firmly believe my points, no one has convinced me otherwise.
fartownik is missing an 'r'Kanye West wrote:
VOTE COUNTQuaraezha: BRBP, CalignoBot
Raging Bull: pieguy1372, fatownik
No Lynch: Quaraezha
Rantai: Tsukasa
Let me know if there's any mistakes.
Also, I'm still sticking with NL.
I see you guys bandwaggoning RB all of a sudden and I don't really understand all these "secret tells" you guys talk about. RB seemed to defend himself well too. Tsukasa also has a point about Tankz' inconsistency as well. Make up your mind.
Despite my FOS on Tankz, I still want to give everybody a chance to try out their abilities.
Tankzlue did claim that he was a Mystery Role.
Seeing what pieguy says.
also post more when im onlineeeeeeeeeeee.
also post more when im onlineeeeeeeeeeee.
And fart too.
Sure is some crazy jetlag this town is experiencing.
Timezones hooooooooooooooo
Timezones hooooooooooooooo
Bringing in the jet lag with every post I make since 2010!
seeing what I have to say about what
*headdesk*
plz don't blame me, I'm really tired right now > <
my vote on you is mainly gut feeling ofc
of course there is what I said above, but it's mostly gut feeling. also that was a pressure vote and I unvoted him when he said the reason
of course there is what I said above, but it's mostly gut feeling. also that was a pressure vote and I unvoted him when he said the reason
No, your vote on me was me flipping between lynch and no lynch.
Also what kind of pressure did you even put on him? All you did was give him 1 vote when he had none in the first place. All you got from him was a "I played this besides on osu! forums" There was no "reason" to get from him. Him playing first time vs many times is irrelevant if he is scum or not.
Also what kind of pressure did you even put on him? All you did was give him 1 vote when he had none in the first place. All you got from him was a "I played this besides on osu! forums" There was no "reason" to get from him. Him playing first time vs many times is irrelevant if he is scum or not.
read my post I even said gut feeling
vote = pressure, maybe it was unnecessary but it'd make him more likely to elaborate more imo. also I thought he meant a specific thing on Tanz which would make no sense since he hasn't seen Tanz as mafia
vote = pressure, maybe it was unnecessary but it'd make him more likely to elaborate more imo. also I thought he meant a specific thing on Tanz which would make no sense since he hasn't seen Tanz as mafia
guys, as a quick heads up, we have roughly 20 hours left until deadline.
however, despite all inconsistencies, I have always said that I don't trust tsukasa. I will stay with my vote except something outrageous happens.
I'm sorry for the inconsistencies, I just really messed up and my tries to fix that mess made it even worse.Quaraezha wrote:
Also, I'm still sticking with NL.
I see you guys bandwaggoning RB all of a sudden and I don't really understand all these "secret tells" you guys talk about. RB seemed to defend himself well too. Tsukasa also has a point about Tankz' inconsistency as well. Make up your mind.
Despite my FOS on Tankz, I still want to give everybody a chance to try out their abilities.
Tankzlue did claim that he was a Mystery Role.
however, despite all inconsistencies, I have always said that I don't trust tsukasa. I will stay with my vote except something outrageous happens.
*22 hours, forgot to subtract the 2 hours timezone difference.
I read it as "I think RB is scum because of flip flop but I will also say gut feeling as a defense if questioned"
we all know by now that I vote mostly by gut feeling D1
the "reason above" I mentioned wasn't supposed to be the main point of the vote. sorry for confusion > <
the "reason above" I mentioned wasn't supposed to be the main point of the vote. sorry for confusion > <
Can I just call gut feeling on my vote on you to convinced?
yeah why not but in that case your gut feeling would just be wrong
Same can be said for your gut read, sir. Especially if you're mafia aiming for an easy lynch by trying to get an inactive. I've done it before. Except he didn't go back against me.
my gut feelings have been right more often than not so I trust them a lot more than usual. Also if more concrete evidence pops up I'm willing to ignore them like in the last game with fartownik
believe me or not, or yourself
certainly I'm not mafia aiming for an easy lynch cause you didn't even have any votes and there wasn't much "concrete evidence", I'm voting you because I think you're mafia
believe me or not, or yourself
certainly I'm not mafia aiming for an easy lynch cause you didn't even have any votes and there wasn't much "concrete evidence", I'm voting you because I think you're mafia
And do you actually have anything else based on gut feeling? I actually do have something based on you.
yeah, what I said in the post, although gut feeling is most of it
elaborate what you have on me plz unless it's just what you said before
elaborate what you have on me plz unless it's just what you said before
pieguy: you earlier had other reasons than just gut feeling on actually all your votes. and now it's just mostly gut feeling?
if I read this correctly, you even outright said that the "above reasons" which aren't gut feeling weren't the main point of your vote.
It is exactly what I said before
1) Being hypocritical and saying I hop around when you did too
2) Voting for Calingo and then unvoting based on his experience in a forum.
3) Still have not answered my question
4) Admitted basically his vote on me was gut feeling only.
5) Let's just assume Calingo is new. There is no proof that a new person cannot have a scum read too.
6) Admitting #2
7 Admitting #3
1) Being hypocritical and saying I hop around when you did too
2) Voting for Calingo and then unvoting based on his experience in a forum.
3) Still have not answered my question
4) Admitted basically his vote on me was gut feeling only.
5) Let's just assume Calingo is new. There is no proof that a new person cannot have a scum read too.
6) Admitting #2
7 Admitting #3
Now what do you have on ME?pieguy1372 wrote:
elaborate what you have on me plz unless it's just what you said before
currently, making up a lot of BS reasons to get me lynched. and most of the time, the reason behind someone trying to defend himself so much against something like this is the original person being right. there is no way to defend against gut feeling, it's like trying to defend against an RV (which I did once as mafia btw)Raging Bull wrote:
It is exactly what I said before
1) Being hypocritical and saying I hop around when you did too where did I hop around see #2 plz
2) Voting for Calingo and then unvoting based on his experience in a forum. that vote was just to get him to explain his reasoning plz read my post
3) Still have not answered my question are you serious? the idea was that we can still use principles from D1 even if it's D2. anyway I think now NL is a bad idea so who cares
4) Admitted basically his vote on me was gut feeling only. so what, also there was another reason, read my post plz
5) Let's just assume Calingo is new. There is no proof that a new person cannot have a scum read too. did you even read my post
6) Admitting #2 so?
7 Admitting #3 so?Now what do you have on ME?pieguy1372 wrote:
elaborate what you have on me plz unless it's just what you said before
they were part of it but not the most major component, also gut feeling always plays a major part in my votes D1. last time, I didn't replace in until like D2 or so iirc and I haven't played any games here besides that in ages, also gut feeling was still a major part of my vote in D2, similar to todayTanzklaue wrote:
if I read this correctly, you even outright said that the "above reasons" which aren't gut feeling weren't the main point of your vote.
Vote RB - > Calingo - > RB = not hopping around? scum logic.
Yet a simple question would suffice, but apparently voting someone who is nowhere near lynch at all = pressure. I will never ever understand that because it makes no sense.
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.
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So now first it was a flip flop + gut feeling, then it was a gut feeling, now it's my behavior. okay.
Yet a simple question would suffice, but apparently voting someone who is nowhere near lynch at all = pressure. I will never ever understand that because it makes no sense.
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.
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Most of the time is not all of the time. I'm willing to get myself lynched on D2 then.pieguy1372 wrote:
and most of the time, the reason behind someone trying to defend himself so much against
So now first it was a flip flop + gut feeling, then it was a gut feeling, now it's my behavior. okay.
so you're lynching me because I'm trying to get information? okRaging Bull wrote:
Vote RB - > Calingo - > RB = not hopping around? scum logic.
Yet a simple question would suffice, but apparently voting someone who is nowhere near lynch at all = pressure. I will never ever understand that because it makes no sense.
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.using them for two days instead of one is "later"? using your own terminology, that's "scum logic"
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.except it is because it would make no sense in certain cases (if it was based off something explicitly Tanz did because that'd be impossible)
So now first it was a flip flop + gut feeling, then it was a gut feeling, now it's my behavior. okay.no, it was always flip flop + gut feeling, till you started acting weird, and then that got added in there
explaining gut feelings doesn't mean that's all that went into my vote. using your own terminology again, "scum logic"
also way to go disappearing before making that post
No, I'm lynching you because I think you are scum. Again the information you get is irrelevant. I don't have to freaken guess what flavor a candy is if it has a picture of an apple. (Analogy is gay but you get it) (Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)
What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.
It makes absolute sense. See my gay analogy.
Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.
I'm about to sleep leave me aloneeeeeeee
What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.
It makes absolute sense. See my gay analogy.
Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.
I'm about to sleep leave me aloneeeeeeee
Everyone can have fun posting while I take my jet lagging posts with me.
when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?Raging Bull wrote:
(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)
What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plz
Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.hey at least it works sometimes
Tanz is even more weird than earlier in this game*
there are 13 hours left, the first count was right.
Okay, here's my case on Tanzklaue. Just so I don't forget...
Unvote: Quaraezha
Vote: Tanzklaue
The third quote I've technically already responded to. He didn't try to move the game along until specifically told to; he was perfectly content with keeping the conversation about the Lynch vs No Lynch deal.
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Quaraezha follows that second point much more clearly. He's done pretty much nothing this game but argue for no lynching. He's not trying to find scum at all, instead saying that mislynching won't give us any information at all. It sounds like an excuse not to scumhunt to me.
Unvote: Quaraezha
Vote: Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue wrote:
yep, the super-informative "hey we killed a town cop \o\" or the very cool "we got a vig today guyz!"...Tsukasa wrote:
You know...
We'd rather have a super informative mislynch than a no-dice No-lynch
I'm indifferent to both propositions at this point, my point about mystery vssecret role still stands, caligno's point about quara makes sense, farTOWNik is still town in my eyes, rantai aand caligno leans town, tsukasa leans scum, the rest is kind of null.
quara: I completly agree with everything caligno said, it really is scummy to push NL with things like "what if jester?".
tsukasa: heavily focusing on me out of a random vote, not addressing the right posts even at times, then all of a sudden going full attack mode on rantai, who brought up several good points, just rubs me in all the wrong spots. from your line of argumentation though, you seem to be aligned with caligno. either you are a obv scum or a much worse town than he is.
so yea, quaraxanyone and tsukasaxanyone are my both leads at this point, though I don't really think that both of them are scum. keep in mind that scum has daychat, so they can organise themselves pretty well. if something looks like it is out of character for one person, or if two people just agree (or disgree) too conveniently, then that might lead us to scum aswell.
Tanzklaue wrote:
2/3/4/whatever PRs can do more stuff than 1/2/3/whatever-1 PRs can do.CalignoBot wrote:
That will happen whether we lynch or not. I don't see why no lynching gives us more information from night actions than not.
on the other hand, a myslynch only gives us the bitter taste of "look what awesomeness we could've had in this night :/".
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.Tanzklaue wrote:
reason for that is that we are atm discussing if we no lynch or if we lynch someone.CalignoBot wrote:
I'm really not liking all the sheeping of my Quaraezha points, yet no one acting on them. This looks like scum positioning.
The third quote I've technically already responded to. He didn't try to move the game along until specifically told to; he was perfectly content with keeping the conversation about the Lynch vs No Lynch deal.
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Quaraezha follows that second point much more clearly. He's done pretty much nothing this game but argue for no lynching. He's not trying to find scum at all, instead saying that mislynching won't give us any information at all. It sounds like an excuse not to scumhunt to me.
Quaraezha also contradicted himself. He says mislynches won't help at all, but says that reports + scumhunting will be enough to catch the mafia. These two don't go well together.
(flips at all help with scumhunting)
(flips at all help with scumhunting)
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
Let me know if there's any mistakes.
13 hours until voting deadline.
Raging Bull: pieguy1372, fartownik
Tanzklaue: Tsukasa, CalignoBot
No Lynch: Quaraezha, Rantai
Quaraezha: BRBP
pieguy1372: Raging Bull
Tanzklaue: Tsukasa, CalignoBot
No Lynch: Quaraezha, Rantai
Quaraezha: BRBP
pieguy1372: Raging Bull
Let me know if there's any mistakes.
13 hours until voting deadline.
pieguy1372 wrote:
when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?Raging Bull wrote:
(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plzYour gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.hey at least it works sometimes
I thought it's funny how you unvoted NL without a reason until the next post. If it was RVS, okay then, but what? Usually you provide a reason for voting and unvoting.
Also if I am inevitably lynched, please everyone go lynch pieguy. I don't care what you think of my role now, but when I flip town, please lynch him.
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.CalignoBot wrote:
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
On another note; any reason you're not suspecting/mentioning me for having a similar stance?
Wow RB... Like... this is the first time I've seen you this firm...
RB TOWN!!!
RB TOWN!!!
And guys it's either Tanz or NL, probably.
Rather have tanz tbh. Make up your minds bros
Rather have tanz tbh. Make up your minds bros
now that I think about it, Tanz was glad he was town in the other game cause he feared if he was mafia he'd make a bunch of obvious mistakes
that may line up with what he's doing now. but he may just be tired or made an honest mistake > <
that may line up with what he's doing now. but he may just be tired or made an honest mistake > <
No matter who we end up lynching, we get information from the flip.Rantai wrote:
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.CalignoBot wrote:
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
On another note; any reason you're not suspecting/mentioning me for having a similar stance?
If we no lynch, we gain close to no information from flips. It's a lot easier to link associative tells or logically trap scum when there's more of this type of information out there.
It's not the stance that's scummy. It's the intent behind the stance. Yours isn't pinging my scumdar at all while Tanz' and Quar's is.
Ok so I forgot to add that we have an additional flip-info from a lynch to the "List of why we should lynch instead"
I've seen Qua NL countless of times D1. So it may be meta that I'm not pushing him. Though, as caligno said, the intent of it all is scummy and/or anti-town.
Tanz has been scummy every since. 'Nuff said.
So the option of NL should go out.
Vote tanz for president
I've seen Qua NL countless of times D1. So it may be meta that I'm not pushing him. Though, as caligno said, the intent of it all is scummy and/or anti-town.
Tanz has been scummy every since. 'Nuff said.
So the option of NL should go out.
Vote tanz for president
Sorry Tsukasa, my vote stays on pieguy 
RB, pieguy can wait. I probably think no one will vote him today.
It's either tanz or NL.
But if it makes you feel better then I'll help you tomorrow with pieguy. But it's near deadline. We need more tanz votes
It's either tanz or NL.
But if it makes you feel better then I'll help you tomorrow with pieguy. But it's near deadline. We need more tanz votes
No I'm fine. I want to flip as town so everyone can see that pieguy is just voting me for a really weak excuse.
That being said, I don't think fart is scum however. I don't think he's *that* stupid to vote for me and then disappear as mafia. My other suspect would be BRBP. Not sure if he's defending pieguy by saying our fight is fake. That and inactivity.
What do you mean it took unusually long? And I've said all there is, pieguy using a weak excuse to try to get me lynched.
you just don't want me breaking your winning streak as mafia cause the last two times you were mafia you survived till the end and won 
No that's not it (although I have to say I don't know why I'm never lynched as mafia), I'm saying you are mafia because of how you have a weak excuse for lynching me. But once I flip town, my job is done.
it's only weak cause you're the target
even so, let's suppose it was. it's at least better than focusing on the same stuff over and over and it keeps the game flowing so we can get more info
if you do end up being town btw, my best bet is fartownik cause he voted you right after I did. find it weird he didn't mention this "gut feeling" anywhere till I voted you > <
even so, let's suppose it was. it's at least better than focusing on the same stuff over and over and it keeps the game flowing so we can get more info
if you do end up being town btw, my best bet is fartownik cause he voted you right after I did. find it weird he didn't mention this "gut feeling" anywhere till I voted you > <