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Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Hero always come at crisis time! I'm back!

Sorry, I have vacation this week. Well, I almost forget this game actually. Still on vacation, actually.

Well, no one can confirm our action. As myself didn't protect Hika or Nyquill of course.

Actually, Hika as night target is weird. No Kill was the best action for scum, actually.

I want both of you comment about ^the italic (Assume the scenario before posting, please) . Or maybe comment about the night kill.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
I protected myself. I thought I would be targetted since Lincolm will pretty much self protect himself. Konei was also inactive so I thought you probably wouldn't get targeted. I thought scum was either Hika or Nyquill since MP was mafia.


I'm not entirely sure why Hika. Best would have been for scum to no kill so there would have been more WIFOM. Even if Hika were to live, it wouldn't have confirmed her as town since she could have stated she targetted Nyquill twice, but just sent in the kill in N5.


Lincolm, what are your thoughts on GhostFrog JKing Nyquill?
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Raging Bull wrote:

I'm not entirely sure why Hika. Best would have been for scum to no kill so there would have been more WIFOM. Even if Hika were to live, it wouldn't have confirmed her as town since she could have stated she targetted Nyquill twice, but just sent in the kill in N5.
Well, because I talked this a lot with Sakura, perhaps someone just skipped about this.
The one executing the kill may not perform his/her role ability for the Night.

Raging Bull wrote:

Lincolm, what are your thoughts on GhostFrog JKing Nyquill?
Too coincidental. If you know what I mean. :lol:
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
So wait, what are you trying to say first? I'm lost.
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
about Hika*
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Lincolm wrote:

Actually, Hika as night target is weird.
Well, this is what I want to say. Not really say about Hika, but the night kill. I mean, Hika as mafia's victim is weird.

@Mod : When is the deadline?
GhostFrog
416 posts
Joined March 2013
GhostFrog

Raging Bull wrote:

Lincolm, what are your thoughts on GhostFrog JKing Nyquill?
Hi. I'm still not a jailkeeper.


Scum nokilling would have been a terrible play last night. It would mean that, if we wound up trusting Hika, we could have two town-controlled kills instead of one.


RagingBull, you're a joat, right? What were your actions from previous nights?
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Idk why i keep thinking that sorry haha.


I roleblocked bmin n1 and action delayed bmin since i thought he lied in n2.

Also going to sleep now
NoHitter
osu! Alumni
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Topic Starter
NoHitter
There is no deadline today. Only a hammer.

I will change it if we get no activity though.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Prodded everyone.
Deadline is now in 72 hours!
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Hi

Okay well then.

GhostFrog wrote:

Scum nokilling would have been a terrible play last night. It would mean that, if we wound up trusting Hika, we could have two town-controlled kills instead of one.
elaborate more on two town controlled kills. If we trusted Hika, there would be "one town controlled kill" and one scum kill. Adding WIFOM by no killing would be good as it gives mafia little bit more advantage to confuse town on D6/D7. If mafia killed, then it would bring us to where we are now, lylo, without anything to help mafia.
GhostFrog
416 posts
Joined March 2013
GhostFrog
I might have been miscounting nights - town would only get a second kill by nolynching at least once and having scum nokill. Either way, if we trusted Hika, scum would have to kill *someone* before we lynched anyone or 2 players chosen by town would die (one from the lynch, one from Hika's action) instead of one chosen by scum (last night's kill) and one chosen by town.

I guess it wouldn't be that bad for scum then, but it's probably still suboptimal.


I'll probably put down a vote either ~24 hours from now or ~48 hours from now if no one else does, depending on how distracted I get tomorrow.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
I really have hard time right now. I try to keep this one. I hope I can keep this game until this game over.

=

Raging Bull wrote:

elaborate more on two town controlled kills.
Actually, is it important to keep this discussion? Is this kind of information important enough for you to caught the scum?

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GhostFrog wrote:

I might have been miscounting nights - town would only get a second kill by nolynching at least once and having scum nokill. Either way, if we trusted Hika, scum would have to kill *someone* before we lynched anyone or 2 players chosen by town would die (one from the lynch, one from Hika's action) instead of one chosen by scum (last night's kill) and one chosen by town.
Actually, this is weird logic, especially as roleblocker. I only told that "lie" for another discussion though. Not a lie actually, but after GhostFrog told that is bad move, I calculated further and it was bad move, but not because of ^that.

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Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Lincolm wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

elaborate more on two town controlled kills.
Actually, is it important to keep this discussion? Is this kind of information important enough for you to caught the scum?


I question people who is scum, or in this case, I believe it's mostly GhostFrog. He doesn't have anything besides the convenient timing of my vote, despite the fact I said I do not mind policy lynch if there was no other discussion going on in D5. I'll be honest that it's hard to get anything from you because you replaced Konei so different meta.


Why do you think I'm scum and not Lincolm, GhostFrog?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
27 hours left before the deadline!
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
24 hours before deadline yah sorry.

Raging Bull, what do you get from your question? I mean, what kind of information do you get?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Seems to me he's starting to doubt himself on what he's saying since he's slowly going back against his original "no killing would have been terrible"
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Also we need a time when all 3 of us are all active so we dont play the waiting game every 5 hours or so.

I'm going to be on osu after 8 hours (at work, can't log on osu! except by phone)
GhostFrog
416 posts
Joined March 2013
GhostFrog
I can be on most of tonight if necessary, but not the next half hour or so.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Raging Bull wrote:

Seems to me he's starting to doubt himself on what he's saying since he's slowly going back against his original "no killing would have been terrible"
So, what do you think about myself also?
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
K online now till like 4-5 hours.


Not sure why you think it's a bad move, but you don't usually share information do you :( I don't believe you can be mafia, Rantai hid behind you and he didn't die.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Raging Bull wrote:

Not sure why you think it's a bad move, but you don't usually share information do you :( I don't believe you can be mafia, Rantai hid behind you and he didn't die.
Usually not, especially unnecessary information. Actually, I asked that because I believed that was bad move, so I wanted to know both of your perspective about that kill.

Quiet long thought about why it was bad move, but I don't think it is necessary actually. If roleblocker is town and roleblocker blocked town, it means LyLo with 1 confirmed town. If blocked scum, then it still 1v1 roleblocker vs scum. To prevent this happen, I thought no kill is the best move for scum. Apparently not.

No I'm not confirmed. Hider, in here, did not confirm someone as town when he was alive after he hid in someone.This post.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Personally I thought no kill would be the best move, I think we all agreed how Hika or Nyquill was the last scum between those two, so if Hika only killed Nyquill, it doesn't really confirm her imo since he could just be regular mafia who would sent in a kill.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
So I guess this is what I get for living on the other side of the world.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Quote tags are broken cool.

Also I'm going to sleep. I suppose I'll cast my vote since it will be deadline when I am asleep.

Vote:GhostFrog

Not sure how to convince you Lincolm. I've been doing my own reads and contribution the entire time. GhostFrog has helped too, but one thing that is weird is that NH replaced Kanye with MP and he was scum. I feel like GhostFrog can also be scum since NH was trying to replace scum as priority first.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Yes, I can vote here.

Damnit...
Lincolm
258 posts
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Lincolm
Actually, deadline in 1 hour...
Lincolm
258 posts
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Lincolm
Oh whatever...

Vote : GhostFrog
Rantai
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Rantai
Crazy Cult wins
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Is that truth spoiler?
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2010
Sakura
RB, why u so good at scum.

I'm adding a Lynch all Liars policy to myself.
Rantai
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Rantai
If a cult won I'd be pleasantly surprised.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
GhostFrog (2) - Raging Bull, Lincolm

Not Voting (1) - GhostFrog

With only three left alive, Raging Bull (Chen) and Lincolm (Dazzle), decide that GhostFrog (Drow) is the member of the Scourge. She tries to run using Lothar's Edge, but it's to no avail. Chen and Dazzle continue to attack her even though she went invisible.

"How's that possible! There's no dust at all." she said in anguish.

"We're supports. We warded." Chen and Dazzle replied in unison.

"What? Wards? IMPOSSIBLE!" Drow screamed before she died.

"So did we win?" Dazzle asked Chen.

"Well, I don't know about you, but I did." Chen replied.

A three centaurs hiding behind Dazzle quickly chain stunned him. It was too easy for Chen to kill Dazzle. At the end of the day, the Throne remained intact.
GhostFrog (replacing Konei) - Traxex the Drow Ranger - Neutral Roleblocker - Lynched D6
Lincolm - Dazzle the Shadow Priest - Neutral Doctor - Endgamed

Raging Bull - Chen the Holy Knight - Scourge Jack of All Trades - Survived

Links:
Scourge Fried Chicken Lovers Chat: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/jvWmJLXPbGAE
Sentinel Chat: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/CwXqjALVZnZ
Dead Chat (I posted the night actions here): http://quicktopic.com/50/H/DqrGFuGKBuTm
Sakura
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Sakura

Sakura wrote:

Why would town lie

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NoHitter
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NoHitter
To set up awesome gambits :P
fartownik
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fartownik

Sakura wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Why would town lie

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Why would town lie
Then you should've voted him ;[

I want RB as my partner next time.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Welp, I can't vote RB because GhostFrog never came back. I knew RB is more likely scum rather GhostFrog after I asked the night kill analyze., but I couldn't lynch him.

Just realize night action in dead chat. Whatever... At least I'm glad I wasn't protecting scum in day 1.

So yes... I'm big fat liar. Especially as town.
Sakura
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Sakura
@fartownik: I did vote him, and that was my reasoning
Sakura
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Sakura
p/2373297
p/2374739 (I DID VOTE RB!)
p/2375030 (My reasoning...)

Screw you guys ;_;

Oh wow looking back on it
p/2361941

My reaction test was right for the most part... HURRAY!
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
p/2375494

The slip was strong in this one, just saying, but GG RB.
Sakura
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Sakura
Don't see it :<

orz
GhostFrog
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GhostFrog
Ugh, sorry. I literally did not sleep last night and wasn't really functioning well enough to realize when deadline was. My bad. I would have voted RB over Lincolm :(
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Sakura
Now you're really a Kitty on Death Row

*insane serial killer face*
Hika
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Hika
RB doing last game things are real annoying.

DIE
GhostFrog
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GhostFrog

Sakura wrote:

Now you're really a Kitty on Death Row

*insane serial killer face*
Meow .-.
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Oh i won somehow. Gg fried chicken lovers
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
btw N1, I really did roleblock bmin damnit.
Hika
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Hika

Raging Bull wrote:

fried chicken lovers
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
That was the first post in my QT.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

DakeDekaane wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2375494

The slip was strong in this one, just saying, but GG RB.

Also that was more saying from scum perspective, which is why I used "me, I etc" but I really was scum orz
Tsukasa
471 posts
Joined June 2011
Tsukasa
I've been skimming this game from time to time but I'm always having itches about the set-up.

I'm cool with a role madness but an open rolemadness? Takes out the excitement a bit.

Also... Ability-thief in an open setup is pretty much a cheat. And it's the first time I saw a town ability thief TBH. But that's not what's wrong.
What's bothering me is that the ability thief can pretty much steal something he wants without having to work for it.

It's a good setup though but the open thing was kinda off IMO.
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