I really don't want to be the one to ask a rhetorical question, but have you ever thought about your ability?
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Yeah.. o.o'' I can choose someone, and he gets protected from abiliites, as far as I got that.. xDbmin11 wrote:
I really don't want to be the one to ask a rhetorical question, but have you ever thought about your ability?
So what would happen if Lincolm uses his ability on himself? Honestly, you look like you are just playing dumb ._.;
lol how should I know if he uses it on hisself? o.Obmin11 wrote:
So what would happen if Lincolm uses his ability on himself? Honestly, you look like you are just playing dumb ._.;
He said multiple times that he's going to use it on himself. Meh.Irreversible wrote:
lol how should I know if he uses it on hisself? o.Obmin11 wrote:
So what would happen if Lincolm uses his ability on himself? Honestly, you look like you are just playing dumb ._.;
I've had enough of this, we won't be getting anywhere if we don't add pressure
vote: Irreversible
vote: Irreversible
yay, pressure 
further reasons?
further reasons?
Also, if what RB says is true, then Dake and Konei are both lying and are both scum most likely. Someone had to roleblock RB, and it wasn't me so it had to be Konei. Dake might've lied about being roleblocked and he already has an ability of someone of us (Absorber copies the ability of the target, right?). They felt safe to lie as both roleblockers (me and RB) already revealed their night actions and only Konei didn't.
Nice lurking there btw, DD.
Yeah, no. Except, Backfire said he roleblocked yesterday, then your action confirmed.fartownik wrote:
Someone had to roleblock RB, and it wasn't me so it had to be Konei.
Well I know fartownik targeted Backfire with something and I'm guessing that was JK. So, I believe fartownik
Jeez, I need to route all the power again. Will look back and sort it. And, my scumread in day 1 obviously wtf now.
I hope you're not lying BMin.
I hope you're not lying BMin.
I would have just said "I failed" if that was the case
Will take this later. My read in day 1 is wtf right now and I should not use it.
Thanks Sakura, I'll try someday.
Nice, activity again \o/
But just what the...? Why the hell would you lie RB? Ok, I'll try to not get upset just for this.
Sakura bussed Konei.
Lincolm protected himself.
Irre rolestopped Lincolm.
Konei roleblocked me.
I (Dake) absorbed bmin, but failed.
??? rolestopped bmin ¿?
RB roleblocked bmin, but failed.
bmin tracked fartownik.
fartownik jailkeeped Backfire.
Rantai did nothing.
Backfire/Kanye/Nyquill couldn't do anything.
Hika's action is still unknown (if she did something).
With this, either Irre/Konei/RB are lying.
RB did you get any notification of your action being performed/failed?
bmin/fartownik may be a scum team.
Lurking? :I I can't post in both games at the same time.fartownik wrote:
Nice lurking there btw, DD.
Nice, activity again \o/
But just what the...? Why the hell would you lie RB? Ok, I'll try to not get upset just for this.
Sakura bussed Konei.
Lincolm protected himself.
Irre rolestopped Lincolm.
Konei roleblocked me.
I (Dake) absorbed bmin, but failed.
??? rolestopped bmin ¿?
RB roleblocked bmin, but failed.
bmin tracked fartownik.
fartownik jailkeeped Backfire.
Rantai did nothing.
Backfire/Kanye/Nyquill couldn't do anything.
Hika's action is still unknown (if she did something).
With this, either Irre/Konei/RB are lying.
RB did you get any notification of your action being performed/failed?
bmin/fartownik may be a scum team.
(Apparently)
Rantai (Hider): No Action.
Raging Bull (JOAT: Doctor):Protect himself-> Roleblock bmin11.
fartownik (Jailkeeper): Jailkeep Backfire.
bmin11 (Tracker): Track fartownik.
Sakura (Self bus driver): Nether Swap Konei.
Lincolm (Nightkill Doctor): Protect himself.
DakeDekaane (Absorber): Absorb bmin11 *FAILED*
Irreversible (Rolestopper): Rolestop Lincolm.
Konei (Roleblocker): Roleblock DakeDekaane.
Rantai (Hider): No Action.
Raging Bull (JOAT: Doctor):
fartownik (Jailkeeper): Jailkeep Backfire.
bmin11 (Tracker): Track fartownik.
Sakura (Self bus driver): Nether Swap Konei.
Lincolm (Nightkill Doctor): Protect himself.
DakeDekaane (Absorber): Absorb bmin11 *FAILED*
Irreversible (Rolestopper): Rolestop Lincolm.
Konei (Roleblocker): Roleblock DakeDekaane.
Oh wow, totally same time posting this, lol.
@Dake : May I know why probably Konei is lying?
Welp, I should say all this power doesn't matter because town and scum can lying, but whatever...
Welp, I should say all this power doesn't matter because town and scum can lying, but whatever...
That's good 8)Lincolm wrote:
@Dake : May I know why probably Konei is lying?
How does RB roleblock bmin and fail? that makes no sense, either RB or bmin is lying. We know that bmin wasn't rolestoppd?
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And if bmin is lying there's no way to confirm whether fartownik did said action or not.
Well, not sure about the order of roleblocks. Should ask NH. Also, it's still possible that Irre is lying and rolestopped bmin. Not sure why would he lie about it though.Sakura wrote:
How does RB roleblock bmin and fail? that makes no sense, either RB or bmin is lying. We know that bmin wasn't rolestoppd?
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EBWOP: Going sleep, see you in a couple hours.
Thats why i asked mod if i get notification if i get blocked or not
As for bmin, i should have thought about my action more, but i thought of possible mafia tracker is dangerous.
As for bmin, i should have thought about my action more, but i thought of possible mafia tracker is dangerous.
Because Konei could have roleblocked RB, and making his roleblock on bmin fail. I wanted to say this to avoid any of them saying: "Oh yes, I did".Lincolm wrote:
@Dake : May I know why probably Konei is lying?
Welp, I should say all this power doesn't matter because town and scum can lying, but whatever...
If RB is lying, Konei told the truth, if not, Konei lied. Irre's factor is related to this too as:
I didn't get Tracker's ability (received notification), so it means bmin was rolestopped (by Irre or RB) or I was roleblocked (by Konei, RB or fartownik, but bmin has confirmed fartownik, so he couldn't be, unless bmin lied).
Why would town lie?Lincolm wrote:
@Dake : May I know why probably Konei is lying?
Welp, I should say all this power doesn't matter because town and scum can lying, but whatever...
But Konei said you roleblocked by Konei... It means Konei didn't lie.DakeDekaane wrote:
Because Konei could have roleblocked RB, and making his roleblock on bmin fail. I wanted to say this to avoid any of them saying: "Oh yes, I did".Lincolm wrote:
@Dake : May I know why probably Konei is lying?
Welp, I should say all this power doesn't matter because town and scum can lying, but whatever...
If RB is lying, Konei told the truth, if not, Konei lied. Irre's factor is related to this too as:
I didn't get Tracker's ability (received notification), so it means bmin was rolestopped (by Irre or RB) or I was roleblocked (by Konei, RB or fartownik, but bmin has confirmed fartownik, so he couldn't be, unless bmin lied).
You don't ask Raging Bull?Sakura wrote:
Why would town lie?
Why Raging Bull lied then? In your PoV. Guess the reason.
Why should I be asking raging bull since it was you who brought up the possibility of town lying?
Tell me what is the town motivation behind lying in THIS setup?
Tell me what is the town motivation behind lying in THIS setup?
Raging Bull is lying in the purpose, make scums thought he already didn't have doc power, so he can't protect himself tomorrow, so he is easy target.
Unfortunately, someone is lying and he should outed his claim.
This is my guess what have Raging Bull done.
Tell me know. If you said you wanted to Lynch All Liar, why you don't try to lynch Raging Bull then? And do you ever consider about your power?
Unfortunately, someone is lying and he should outed his claim.
This is my guess what have Raging Bull done.
Tell me know. If you said you wanted to Lynch All Liar, why you don't try to lynch Raging Bull then? And do you ever consider about your power?
Sure but first answer me this, why would town lie?
Lincolm wrote:
Raging Bull is lying in the purpose, make scums thought he already didn't have doc power, so he can't protect himself tomorrow, so he is easy target.
Unfortunately, someone is lying and he should outed his claim.
This is my guess what have Raging Bull done.
Tell me know. If you said you wanted to Lynch All Liar, why you don't try to lynch Raging Bull then? And do you ever consider about your power?
Pretty much right on why i revealed later. I lied in the beginning cause fart asked for our action without telling his own.
Thanks a lot Raging Bull for answering for Lincolm and rendering my scumhunting a lot harder.
If your suspicious of him, go vote for him. God. So simple
It's not as simple as you think.Raging Bull wrote:
If your suspicious of him, go vote for him. God. So simple
For scum is so simple to vote someone that gets suspicious, if there's a wagon ofc.
Ugh I tried to chalk up a quick spreadsheet to see what different situations was possible. Let's just say there was too much for it to be worth the time.
That aside;
If Konei blocked RB then Irreversible had to have blocked bmin (unless we have even more lying going on, but with 3 liars we have a game over already, or bad townies) meaning we likely have 2 simultaneous liars in that situation.
Now, this can mean 2 things. They are opposing scum factions (going under the assumption that town wouldn't lie) that happened to line up just perfectly to implicate each other. Or they are in cahoots with each other which actually is impossible given that there was a successful mafia kill (Note: 1 faction has 1 dead therefore 2 alive mafia on that faction is impossible; 1 faction has 2 alive but 1 had to do the killing. making this situation impossible).
Alternatively; Konei did block DD (opens up possibility that DD was the mafia killer that got blocked) meaning RB was blocked in a different way. Only 2 possibilities. RB is lying and didn't target bmin with a roleblock (but I have to ask, why would you claim it if you knew everyone else's actions and still made a contradiction as mafia) or Irreversible rolestopped bmin making Irreversible the sole liar of the group. Of course fart could have jailed RB but that means bmin is lying making those 2 scumbuddies... more below.
The next alternative is that RB did block bmin and bmin lied his way through it. He could be latching onto fart's action claim trying to ride a wave of non-contradictions or he and fart are scumbuddies, which would mean fart could not have jailed Backfire because the mafia faction that killed had to have been the faction with 2 people.
So, what conclusions? I want to know what Backfire did. I suggest an Irreversible lynch.
Why Irreversible? If he comes up town then he blocked Lincolm for whatever reason, meaning there was no one to stop RB blocking bmin and also makes Konei look like he was telling the truth (unless DD and Konei are scum together which is possible) meaning bmin is lying about his result, implicating fart (but not confirming fart scum).
If he comes up scum then I'd say it's likely he's lied about his action which makes it probable that he targeted bmin, meaning bmin is telling the truth (depending on which mafia faction -I think-) meaning fart was telling the truth which also means RB was telling the truth and that Konei is null (note he is null here because in the situation that Irreversible rolestopped bmin, Konei has 2 possible choices, while if Konei blocks RB, Irreversible only has 1) and that DD was probably telling the truth.
If I read any actions incorrectly or missed a possibility, please tell me. This is by no means proofread properly, it's more of a brainstorm.
Tl;dr - Vote: Irreversible
That aside;
If Konei blocked RB then Irreversible had to have blocked bmin (unless we have even more lying going on, but with 3 liars we have a game over already, or bad townies) meaning we likely have 2 simultaneous liars in that situation.
Now, this can mean 2 things. They are opposing scum factions (going under the assumption that town wouldn't lie) that happened to line up just perfectly to implicate each other. Or they are in cahoots with each other which actually is impossible given that there was a successful mafia kill (Note: 1 faction has 1 dead therefore 2 alive mafia on that faction is impossible; 1 faction has 2 alive but 1 had to do the killing. making this situation impossible).
Alternatively; Konei did block DD (opens up possibility that DD was the mafia killer that got blocked) meaning RB was blocked in a different way. Only 2 possibilities. RB is lying and didn't target bmin with a roleblock (but I have to ask, why would you claim it if you knew everyone else's actions and still made a contradiction as mafia) or Irreversible rolestopped bmin making Irreversible the sole liar of the group. Of course fart could have jailed RB but that means bmin is lying making those 2 scumbuddies... more below.
The next alternative is that RB did block bmin and bmin lied his way through it. He could be latching onto fart's action claim trying to ride a wave of non-contradictions or he and fart are scumbuddies, which would mean fart could not have jailed Backfire because the mafia faction that killed had to have been the faction with 2 people.
So, what conclusions? I want to know what Backfire did. I suggest an Irreversible lynch.
Why Irreversible? If he comes up town then he blocked Lincolm for whatever reason, meaning there was no one to stop RB blocking bmin and also makes Konei look like he was telling the truth (unless DD and Konei are scum together which is possible) meaning bmin is lying about his result, implicating fart (but not confirming fart scum).
If he comes up scum then I'd say it's likely he's lied about his action which makes it probable that he targeted bmin, meaning bmin is telling the truth (depending on which mafia faction -I think-) meaning fart was telling the truth which also means RB was telling the truth and that Konei is null (note he is null here because in the situation that Irreversible rolestopped bmin, Konei has 2 possible choices, while if Konei blocks RB, Irreversible only has 1) and that DD was probably telling the truth.
If I read any actions incorrectly or missed a possibility, please tell me. This is by no means proofread properly, it's more of a brainstorm.
Tl;dr - Vote: Irreversible
And after rereading I just realised Konei and Irreversible can be scum buddies in the case that Irreversible targets bmin and Konei does the killing (DD and RB still essentially blocked).
And I will be going back to studies. Be back tomorrow (possibly earlier, we'll see)
You are a fucking wizard.
I still got FoS on Lincolm and RB, I'd be more sure of Lincolm if RB hadn't interfered but maybe he's trying to protect him? ?_?
Lincolm seemed very sure RB was town when i asked him why would town lie, he just mentioned RB, which i felt odd, which is why i kept questioning him until RB interfered, so...
Vote: Raging Bull
Imma worry about RB now and Lincolm later.
Lincolm seemed very sure RB was town when i asked him why would town lie, he just mentioned RB, which i felt odd, which is why i kept questioning him until RB interfered, so...
Vote: Raging Bull
Imma worry about RB now and Lincolm later.
Okay, I'm ready to post my thoughts.
I'm fairly certain that Raging Bull is mafia. Reasons are...
1. His action was very scum-like
My prediction of mafias' night action: Role Block tracker (me) and Night Kill Watcher (Pizzicato).
2. He pre-claimed action was too convenient. He claimed to protect himself, which has no risk of being spot out, unless the Tracker tracks him (oh hey, I just realized that he role blocked the Tracker). He could have saved the protection or just use it on a possible important PR, like watcher and tracker.
The reason why he switched his claim was weird, but I could guess that he was trying to earn some town points. He thought I was mafia because of my contradicting claim. He thought spotting out mafia for town would make him look like pro-town.
However, if he really was town, there are little reason why he would lie his claim in the first place. He would have said "I role blocked bmin" as the day started without a fear. Of course, there is a possibility that he thought I was scum before the night started and lying his claim was his plan, but he revealed that he had no reads on my whatsoever. Executing such plan wouldn't have been viable without a read and that is the reason why his hidden intention seems scummy.
Vote: Raging Bull
I'm fairly certain that Raging Bull is mafia. Reasons are...
1. His action was very scum-like
Town should not really be intimidated by a possible mafia tracker. Only thing that a mafia tracker would figure out is towns' target pattern (and even then, the pattern could always change). However, for mafia is a different story. Tracker is obviously a threat for mafia and thus, role block. You would probably think Watcher would be the biggest threat and you are right, which made them kill him.Raging Bull wrote:
As for bmin, i should have thought about my action more, but i thought of possible mafia tracker is dangerous.
My prediction of mafias' night action: Role Block tracker (me) and Night Kill Watcher (Pizzicato).
2. He pre-claimed action was too convenient. He claimed to protect himself, which has no risk of being spot out, unless the Tracker tracks him (oh hey, I just realized that he role blocked the Tracker). He could have saved the protection or just use it on a possible important PR, like watcher and tracker.
The reason why he switched his claim was weird, but I could guess that he was trying to earn some town points. He thought I was mafia because of my contradicting claim. He thought spotting out mafia for town would make him look like pro-town.
However, if he really was town, there are little reason why he would lie his claim in the first place. He would have said "I role blocked bmin" as the day started without a fear. Of course, there is a possibility that he thought I was scum before the night started and lying his claim was his plan, but he revealed that he had no reads on my whatsoever. Executing such plan wouldn't have been viable without a read and that is the reason why his hidden intention seems scummy.
Vote: Raging Bull
Problem with that? There is no benefit for him. Unless you just admitted to being mafia.bmin11 wrote:
The reason why he switched his claim was weird, but I could guess that he was trying to earn some town points. He thought I was mafia because of my contradicting claim. He thought spotting out mafia for town would make him look like pro-town.
My other suspects are Irre, Dake, Konei, and Kayne.
Irre, Dake, and Konei for our contradicting results (yes, I said our).
Kayne for his suicidal behavior. This is rather slim, but it could have resulted from losing his scum buddy so early. Being the only mafia means he would have to kill everyone except a townie. Pretty desperate situation I must say.
We could try to JK one of these guys and see if the kill would result still. This plan is based on "Raging Bull is scum and Raging bull is not Pizzicatos' scum buddy", meaning if we lynch RB and he is actually scum, that would leave us with one scum from each side. They won't be able to have his scum buddy to preform the NK so JKing one of them will make us have one less NK.
Irre, Dake, and Konei for our contradicting results (yes, I said our).
Kayne for his suicidal behavior. This is rather slim, but it could have resulted from losing his scum buddy so early. Being the only mafia means he would have to kill everyone except a townie. Pretty desperate situation I must say.
We could try to JK one of these guys and see if the kill would result still. This plan is based on "Raging Bull is scum and Raging bull is not Pizzicatos' scum buddy", meaning if we lynch RB and he is actually scum, that would leave us with one scum from each side. They won't be able to have his scum buddy to preform the NK so JKing one of them will make us have one less NK.
Well this is my way of trying to make sense of his behavior. I saw no benefit as you said, so I came to the conclusion that maybe he thought I was the other mafia.Rantai wrote:
Problem with that? There is no benefit for him. Unless you just admitted to being mafia.bmin11 wrote:
The reason why he switched his claim was weird, but I could guess that he was trying to earn some town points. He thought I was mafia because of my contradicting claim. He thought spotting out mafia for town would make him look like pro-town.
A very bold move if he decided to <randomly> poke for a mafia with a 1/13 chance of being right.
I hope you understand my skepticism.
I hope you understand my skepticism.
Edit: Possibly 2/13 given the factions
Uh, I mean out of 12. I can math today.
Uh, I mean out of 12. I can math today.
That's the same reason why I couldn't really get why he would lie about his action in the first place without a read :/
If RB was pro-town and wanted to know what others did first then he would have waited instead of lying, he just jumped and said "Oops i lied" to try to cast doubt on bmin's action, what he gains from it? lynching our tracker of course.
Rantai, I just did nothing at night.
Well if you did ANYTHING at night you wouldnt be alive (unless roleblocked)Backfire wrote:
Rantai, I just did nothing at night.
I mentioned why I switched my claim already. I won't explain myself again.
And just saying, it would be very stupid for me to role block you and kill pizzicato. You are way more of a threat than him. You actually know how to play this game. You both have pretty much the same roles so it should be even more easier for me to actually make a choice between you or pizzicato.
And just saying, it would be very stupid for me to role block you and kill pizzicato. You are way more of a threat than him. You actually know how to play this game. You both have pretty much the same roles so it should be even more easier for me to actually make a choice between you or pizzicato.
Can someone end my misery here?Sakura wrote:
Lincolm seemed very sure RB was town when i asked him why would town lie
I already develop all of my reads in D1, Jesus. And RB is my townread. Along with Irreversible and you. Yes I'm sure you are town because of that. I already developed it and asked the same things in Day 1.
And my answer different with RB. Someone would begin with claim target also in the beginning of the day, so what Fartownik did not bother me because I'm also big fat liar, especially as town. Because I don't like give certain information to scum. If you give certain information, there is pattern scum will know your next target. Other side, WIFOM to scum also.
I have big important question to you. Why scums can't honest? Your question is asking mental note, not scumhunting. Why the question can reveal alignment?
And, do you ever consider your power? Your reason bus Konei for me is bad play for self-bus driver.
Did my post don't look like I protect Irreversible really?
Lincolm wrote:
Irre's can't be confirmed though. Hard to say. I don't know if my self-protect success or not.
I think Irreversible is lying, but my townread stay. So yes, I don't care this PR things.Lincolm wrote:
Welp, I should say all this power doesn't matter because town and scum can lying, but whatever...
Vote : Dake
His last answer indicate scums WIFOMing, not town speculate PRs.
o.o Why should I lie about my ability? I think that's the main point that bothers you currently, mystic mystic
i have time in school to ready everything o.o
i have time in school to ready everything o.o
Because someone who did nothing last night has a high chance of being the one sending in the kill since no one can send in kill AND use their ability on the same night.
^Sakura wrote:
Because someone who did nothing last night has a high chance of being the one sending in the kill since no one can send in kill AND use their ability on the same night.
That was directed at Lincolm btw.
It's true that I'm still asleep, but what the hell is this?Raging Bull wrote:
I mentioned why I switched my claim already. I won't explain myself again.
And just saying, it would be very stupid for me to role block you and kill pizzicato. You are way more of a threat than him. You actually know how to play this game. You both have pretty much the same roles so it should be even more easier for me to actually make a choice between you or pizzicato.
@Lincolm: What's with my last answer? Can't I even think on who could be lying and why?
I hope you aren't forgetting our people who can't do Night Actions.Sakura wrote:
Because someone who did nothing last night has a high chance of being the one sending in the kill since no one can send in kill AND use their ability on the same night.
This is depends on the mod. My first and second games in MS, mafia sended kill AND use their ability on same night. My first games I was mafia so I still remember it correctly.Sakura wrote:
Because someone who did nothing last night has a high chance of being the one sending in the kill since no one can send in kill AND use their ability on the same night.
I ever asked this to mod, this is usually can't be answered by mod. I think because this is helping town tracker, roleblocker, jailkeeper to make their decision.
How you posted it, it isn't genuine. Not lie about your ability, your target.Irreversible wrote:
o.o Why should I lie about my ability? I think that's the main point that bothers you currently, mystic mystic
This one :DakeDekaane wrote:
@Lincolm: What's with my last answer? Can't I even think on who could be lying and why?
It is simply that Konei said he roleblocked you last night. The only know this is you and Konei.DakeDekaane wrote:
Because Konei could have roleblocked RB, and making his roleblock on bmin fail. I wanted to say this to avoid any of them saying: "Oh yes, I did".
If RB is lying, Konei told the truth, if not, Konei lied. Irre's factor is related to this too as:
I didn't get Tracker's ability (received notification), so it means bmin was rolestopped (by Irre or RB) or I was roleblocked (by Konei, RB or fartownik, but bmin has confirmed fartownik, so he couldn't be, unless bmin lied).
If Irre didn't tell the truth, rolestopped BMin, it means you had been blocked by Irre and Konei, but this is Konei/Irre scumteam. If Irre told the truth, it means Konei blocked you, and RB is lying, but this is Konei/RB scumteam.
Whatever scenario said, Konei said the truth in your PoV, except Konei/Irreversible and Konei/RB is scumteam. And you went with "Konei probably lying".
Jailkept.Sakura wrote:
Well if you did ANYTHING at night you wouldnt be alive (unless roleblocked)Backfire wrote:
Rantai, I just did nothing at night.
Lincolm wrote:
This is depends on the mod. My first and second games in MS, mafia sended kill AND use their ability on same night. My first games I was mafia so I still remember it correctly.Sakura wrote:
Because someone who did nothing last night has a high chance of being the one sending in the kill since no one can send in kill AND use their ability on the same night.
NoHitter in his opening post wrote:
The one executing the kill may not perform his/her role ability for the Night.
About what? Telling what I would have done instead?DakeDekaane wrote:
It's true that I'm still asleep, but what the hell is this?Raging Bull wrote:
I mentioned why I switched my claim already. I won't explain myself again.
And just saying, it would be very stupid for me to role block you and kill pizzicato. You are way more of a threat than him. You actually know how to play this game. You both have pretty much the same roles so it should be even more easier for me to actually make a choice between you or pizzicato.
I'm sorry for this, but...Sakura wrote:
Lincolm wrote:
This is depends on the mod. My first and second games in MS, mafia sended kill AND use their ability on same night. My first games I was mafia so I still remember it correctly.NoHitter in his opening post wrote:
The one executing the kill may not perform his/her role ability for the Night.
RB + Lincolm scumteam and you prefer lynch RB rather than... me? Really?
Don't make me paranoid, Sakura. If you think this is RB and Lincolm scumteam, why you prefer lynch RB?
Because she likes to llynch all liars and ignore the fact that I lied and then told the truth because there was a conflict.
and I ruined her scumhunt apparently.
I request a prod on everybody
@Lincolm, in my first sentence I explain why Konei would be lying. But let's be smart and trust everybody because if not you're scummy.
I'm quite paranoid and confused about all this.
@Lincolm, in my first sentence I explain why Konei would be lying. But let's be smart and trust everybody because if not you're scummy.
I'm quite paranoid and confused about all this.
Topic Starter
Less than 24 hours left guys. Still having trouble finding replacements.
VOTE COUNT:
Kanye West (2) - Kanye West, Kanye West
Raging Bull (2) - Sakura, bmin11
DakeDekaane (1) - Lincolm
fartownik (1) - Irreversible
Irreversible (1) - Rantai
Not Voting (7) - Raging Bull, Hika, fartownik, Nyquill, DakeDekaane, Backfire, Konei
VOTE COUNT:
Kanye West (2) - Kanye West, Kanye West
Raging Bull (2) - Sakura, bmin11
DakeDekaane (1) - Lincolm
fartownik (1) - Irreversible
Irreversible (1) - Rantai
Not Voting (7) - Raging Bull, Hika, fartownik, Nyquill, DakeDekaane, Backfire, Konei
Prod dodge.
lol @ prod everybody.
lol @ prod everybody.
Sorry for the inactivity guys. Lost the interest in the game because of all this general inactivity and replacements. Not really appealing to play when you know 3 people will not be here anyhow.
I will have to refresh the game for myself a little bit, will do that tommorrow morning my time. For now:
Vote: Konei
I will have to refresh the game for myself a little bit, will do that tommorrow morning my time. For now:
Vote: Konei
Well, not much I can say at this point. I'm not getting any particular reads on anyone (except bmin and his somewhat shaky reasoning for voting RB).
That and I like following a set of logic if presented to me.
That and I like following a set of logic if presented to me.
............DakeDekaane wrote:
@Lincolm, in my first sentence I explain why Konei would be lying. But let's be smart and trust everybody because if not you're scummy.
After Sakura said scums cannot use his ability and his kill at the same night, you said let's trust everybody? And why it is scummy? You putted that as threat is scummy.
Still dont know about the whole what the hell is this comment about
Let's have something then :
@Sakura : Why you bus Konei? And I want you justify your vote.
@Dake : Why absorb Tracker? And you know there is disconnections in all powers, why trust everybody?
@Rantai : Why you didn't hide in anyone? Why you didn't ask your power to the mod at night? And Lynch All Liar vote, why?
@RB : What is the danger of mafia tracker?
@BMin : Your reason vote RB assumed that you're roleblocked by RB, but you get result at night. Justify your vote please.
@Fartownik : Why vote Konei?
@Konei & Backfire : Give any of your thought. Your read and everything. I don't know any question to ask you.
RB's and Irre's wagon should go to other side of internet. RB and Irre are town.
@Sakura : Why you bus Konei? And I want you justify your vote.
@Dake : Why absorb Tracker? And you know there is disconnections in all powers, why trust everybody?
@Rantai : Why you didn't hide in anyone? Why you didn't ask your power to the mod at night? And Lynch All Liar vote, why?
@RB : What is the danger of mafia tracker?
@BMin : Your reason vote RB assumed that you're roleblocked by RB, but you get result at night. Justify your vote please.
@Fartownik : Why vote Konei?
@Konei & Backfire : Give any of your thought. Your read and everything. I don't know any question to ask you.
RB's and Irre's wagon should go to other side of internet. RB and Irre are town.
I wonder if you read the past pages or not Lincolm, didn't someone say that scum doesn't read? both of the things you asked i've already answered.
Let's see.Lincolm wrote:
@Rantai : Why you didn't hide in anyone? Why you didn't ask your power to the mod at night? And Lynch All Liar vote, why?
1. Because I didn't want to randomly die if I accidentally chose mafia (put two and two together as to why this isn't a conflict of information) or someone who was being targeted.
2. Because when I made the post, I just had an idea formulated but that meant having a pseudo-cop in the game where there shouldn't be one. So I clarified it there before putting the idea forward (of which it seems I couldn't anyway).
3. Because lying in an open setup like this (protective and investigative roles excluded to an extent) only causes town to be misled (obviously). Why anyone would want to mislead while being town is beyond me. Going upon that, if you want to try and make a case against me not slamming RB for lying initially (despite roleblocking), I have already explained my reasoning.
If this is based off your reads alone, not even a single shred of confidence is elicit from me.Lincolm wrote:
RB's and Irre's wagon should go to other side of internet. RB and Irre are town.
So unless you have more information (oh wait that can only mean one thing), using absolutes like that is suspicious.
I want your reason why bus Konei. You picked Konei because of he is lurking, I know that. But why HIM?Sakura wrote:
I wonder if you read the past pages or not Lincolm, didn't someone say that scum doesn't read? both of the things you asked i've already answered.
And I already said, why RB over me? Doesn't make sense vote RB if we are one team. I want you justify this.
Am I wrong asking this or I'm not reading? You didn't give any comment to the other, meaning you are not reading.
I don't try to make a case to you. Why you think about that?Rantai wrote:
3. Because lying in an open setup like this (protective and investigative roles excluded to an extent) only causes town to be misled (obviously). Why anyone would want to mislead while being town is beyond me. Going upon that, if you want to try and make a case against me not slamming RB for lying initially (despite roleblocking), I have already explained my reasoning.
For me, RB is honest. How he posted it, the time, and the reason, is honest. He gave reason why he lied (he wary with Fartownik), he waited the others to claim. If he is scum, it is better for him to say that. I completely disagree with BMin about this, because I don't think he tried to pull towncreed. So, I won't said RB is lying. I already said, I think Irreversible is lying.
I should agree with your reason, unfortunately.
Which make me a statement, you didn't ask me to justified it.Rantai wrote:
So unless you have more information (oh wait that can only mean one thing), using absolutes like that is suspicious.
why one scum over the other? what does it matter which order you 2 die anyway?
.............Sakura wrote:
why one scum over the other? what does it matter which order you 2 die anyway?
You're the one who realize it first....
Of course it is important. No way someone can confirm my action and my action only self-protecting, which I'm immune with night kill, but not from lynch. It is town logic that town want cross kill happen, but unfortunately if I'm scum, this would never happen. (It would never happen because I'm neutral any way)
If RB and I are scum, because of role, of course I'm the one who make the kill, not RB, because RB has rolestop and roleblock. If I and RB are scumteam, why RB make kill then? Why not me?
And, my question still stay. Why you bus Konei? Why Konei?
Oh, I forgot to put /sarcasmLincolm wrote:
After Sakura said scums cannot use his ability and his kill at the same night, you said let's trust everybody? And why it is scummy? You putted that as threat is scummy.DakeDekaane wrote:
@Lincolm, in my first sentence I explain why Konei would be lying. But let's be smart and trust everybody because if not you're scummy.
Why Tracker? http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2370365/ Last sentence.Lincolm wrote:
@Dake : Why absorb Tracker? And you know there is disconnections in all powers, why trust everybody?
Why did I said that thing of trust everybody? See above.
Yah, I missed that reason.
Make me think you're scourge.
Make me think you're scourge.
1. I believe RB isn't lying with his claim, because I can't think of a reason why he would. So my guess is that someone roleblocked RB or rolestoped me N1.Lincolm wrote:
@BMin : Your reason vote RB assumed that you're roleblocked by RB, but you get result at night. Justify your vote please.
2. I believe either Dake, Konei, or Irre is lying. Can't guess who though.
3. My reasons on RB vote are justified with my best on the page I voted.
My vote will stay as I think RB is the most likely out of four I wrote (Dake, Konei, Irre, RB)
Yes, I already read that, but I think that more likely came from town rather than scum. Inverse of yours...bmin11 wrote:
1. I believe RB isn't lying with his claim, because I can't think of a reason why he would. So my guess is that someone roleblocked RB or rolestoped me N1.Lincolm wrote:
@BMin : Your reason vote RB assumed that you're roleblocked by RB, but you get result at night. Justify your vote please.
2. I believe either Dake, Konei, or Irre is lying. Can't guess who though.
3. My reasons on RB vote are justified with my best on the page I voted.
My vote will stay as I think RB is the most likely out of four I wrote (Dake, Konei, Irre, RB)
Seems I misrep something in that post.
It was a lot harder for me to understand his motive as a town rather then a scum considering how 1) he role blocked a tracker without a read and 2) lie on his claim with a reason that shouldn't even matter (worried that fartownik could be up to something with mass action claim while he targeted me).
IfLincolm wrote:
I don't try to make a case to you. Why you think about that?
It still makes even less sense as a scum. Best case scenario you get a town lynched for yourself, worst case scenario you get yourself lynched.bmin11 wrote:
It was a lot harder for me to understand his motive as a town rather then a scum considering how 1) he role blocked a tracker without a read and 2) lie on his claim with a reason that shouldn't even matter (worried that fartownik could be up to something with mass action claim while he targeted me).
But we've been through this already.
So you think I'm Scourge because I want to check the veracity of our words? It's very logic.Lincolm wrote:
Make me think you're scourge.
I think the same as bmin, why should someone roleblock a Tracker if it's our only way to know who's lying and who isn't? Well, that's only if he's town, also that's why I wanted to absorb bmin's ability instead Lincolm's.
Nothing makes logical sense anymore.
Im somewhat convinced that bmin is just using my lie/was a lie to vote for me. This is an open setup. You having a tracker does not mean you are town. Stopping mafia from getting information is good.
So RB, what made you think he's mafia?
First reasoning is understandable. I roleblocked you/attempted to because I just thought you may be a mafia role tracker. Why let you obtain information for mafia? We both know that what role you have doesn't mean you will be town.bmin11 wrote:
It was a lot harder for me to understand his motive as a town rather then a scum considering how 1) he role blocked a tracker without a read and 2) lie on his claim with a reason that shouldn't even matter (worried that fartownik could be up to something with mass action claim while he targeted me).
I may have roleblocked you, but what if it really worked? What if you really didn't look at fartownik and only sticking with his claim that he JK'd backfire? What if you really tried to do a kill, but was really roleblocked?
And also
@DDRaging Bull wrote:
Still dont know about the whole what the hell is this comment about
I'v re-read last pages, the game seems sloppy to me. I will vote with my gut-feelings as I have no big leads of who is truly lying here.
Unvote
Vote: Sakura
Unvote
Vote: Sakura
truly lying? but someone admitted to lying you know.
Well, you're picking to words now. There's a chance someone is lying besides RB and we don't know about it, though I think RB's lie was more town, same as Lincolm thinks.
Topic Starter
I'm extending the deadline by 24 hours as there seems to be some more activity now.
(Still looking for replacements)
(Still looking for replacements)
faortwnik you random voter :c
Because Tracker information shouldn't be a big deal? The only thing they will figure out are stuff like "this guy targeted that guy" and the best thing they could figure in open setup is either someone is lying their action (possible mafia?) or someone targeted without an ability (mafia!). How about you role block other role blockers or a Vig? Or even a JK in some extent. They can screw up town actions if the chance is given.RB wrote:
Why let you obtain information for mafia?
So you think I'm lying huh? Okay, give me a reason why I wouldn't have just said "I tracked Pizzicato" if that is the case, because that would have been the safest move for me. Next, any reason why you think I would have went for fartownik (assuming I am mafia) ? Also, role blocking shouldn't stop mafia from killing.RB wrote:
I may have roleblocked you, but what if it really worked? What if you really didn't look at fartownik and only sticking with his claim that he JK'd backfire? What if you really tried to do a kill, but was really roleblocked?
I was more or less going to roleblock backfire but he was going to kill himself anyways/agreed on getting lynch d2. I was also planning on roleblocking vigilante, but apparently Hika requested replacement and nohitter is looking for one. So I assume there is no need to. Roleblocking absorber wouldn't do much to me imo. He cannot really do anything until N2. Roleblocking JK/other roleblockers could just prevent them from blocking NKs.
Because you possibly also want a more believable excuse? Why role blocking won't block kills? Isn't it the same as sending in an action?
Because you possibly also want a more believable excuse? Why role blocking won't block kills? Isn't it the same as sending in an action?
Hmm I thought Role Block was just like Role Stop, just the other way around.
@Mod: Does role blocking mafia stops the night kill performed by the mafia?
@Mod: Does role blocking mafia stops the night kill performed by the mafia?
Also, unvote until NoHitter answers.
Didn't notice something? I didn't ask you something in page 50 the bottom. What is your read in me?Irreversible wrote:
faortwnik you random voter :c
Roleblock also block kill action? Usually. Rolestop didn't block kill action.bmin11 wrote:
Also, role blocking shouldn't stop mafia from killing.
And, just reminder, there is disconnection in the power. RB blocked BMin, but BMin still got result.
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@Fartownik : Reason why voted Konei? Before voted Sakura.
@Sakura : Answer to my questions please?
It does if the roleblocked person is the one sending the kill.bmin11 wrote:
Hmm I thought Role Block was just like Role Stop, just the other way around.
@Mod: Does role blocking mafia stops the night kill performed by the mafia?
@Lincolm, I just thought I will throw a vote on him to see what he says/if he awakes. He said nothing, he did nothing. We have the general confusion of night actions and a lie of a roleblocking role seems like the most possible one around.