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fartownik
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fartownik
As much as Lincolm's scumread on Kanye (or more like imaginary scumread) and previous actions seem to make NO SENSE AT ALL, I will have to unvote him as it gives nothing productive. No one seem eager to dig him up/vote him anyways, and without future posts of his it probably won't change.

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Vote: tiper

Lynching a lurker would be possibly the best idea for the day. tiper posted 3 times - 1 was RVS and 2 were about delaying to post any contribution.
tiper
tiper
Lol, fartownik, umad. Is taht the best idea for you cuz you're scum?
tiper
tiper
EBWOP: And there're some lurkers as me. Why dont you want to vote for`em? It looks like I found some guys from your team(Nyquill, ShinseinaTenshi, Kanye)
Sakura
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It's hard to tell who's lurker and who's just innactive at this point, but people will eventually notice the difference.

There's no reason to lurk/lie in this setup because everyone knows everyone's Role and the only thing to hide is your alignment.
fartownik
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fartownik
tiper is a lurker. I can tell that by not posting for 30 hours and suddenly dropping by after me voting him.

And seriously, what kind of defense is that? You only make me feel like I just hit right.
Irreversible
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Yay *O* Finally some posts again, will read them asap~
tiper
tiper

fartownik wrote:

tiper is a lurker. I can tell that by not posting for 30 hours and suddenly dropping by after me voting him.

And seriously, what kind of defense is that? You only make me feel like I just hit right.

Btw. ShinseinaTenshi hasn't made a single post in the entire game.
Lynching a lurker would be possibly the best idea for the day.
tiper posted 3 times
ShinseinaTenshi hasn't made a single post
Lynching a lurker
Could you explain me why shouldn't I vote for you after these posts. There's no logic.
DakeDekaane
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Hey tiper:

NoHitter wrote:

ShinseinaTenshi has requested for replacement. Please notify me if you're interested.
Stop being lurky :<
tiper
tiper
Hey DD!
Sorry then.
DakeDekaane
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Also tiper, why you say fart is scum, just because he's voting you? tiper pls.

Reading and posting something constructive after reading again.
tiper
tiper
I don't think he's a scum right now, but there're some lurkers like Nyquill and Kanye and he chose me. I mean if someone of them flips a scum there's big chance that others are scumz too.
fartownik
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tiper wrote:

EBWOP: And there're some lurkers as me. Why dont you want to vote for`em? It looks like I found some guys from your team(Nyquill, ShinseinaTenshi, Kanye)

tiper wrote:

Lol, fartownik, umad. Is taht the best idea for you cuz you're scum?
Both of these posts clearly state you think I'm scum. And yes, I chose you, because why not? You're lurker too, there should be nothing wrong with me voting you if we're on lurkers.

Also you don't make much sense with your so called 'read'.
DakeDekaane
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Ok, I missed the replacement post. Welcome Rantai.

I still can't get why Sakura is obsessed with Backfire. He can be lynched in D2 as many have agreed until now, we really should focus on make pressure in any scum suspect we have until we can get something clear.

tiper, damn, you're being too lurky, I can say you're' scum based on that and your words, but I can get nothing more besides that, I'm so tempted to vote you now :I

Also notice how Lincolm disappeared after his mad time.
fartownik
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DakeDekaane wrote:

I still can't get why Sakura is obsessed with Backfire. He can be lynched in D2 as many have agreed until now, we really should focus on make pressure in any scum suspect we have until we can get something clear.
She's actually right. If Backfire doesn't die tonight as promised, we won't be able to know if he didn't die on purpose or got roleblocked by someone. There's too many PRs and too many possible crosses of them that it's basically impossible to plan the night actions.
Irreversible
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Okay I think i got some questions now:

Sakura, after Rantai wrote that you should answer your questions first, I was asking myself why you didn't ask them at the begin. Especially the question 'Why are you scum' seems very odd to me.

Dake, I think that you are defending tiper in some way. What makes me thinking about more is, that you wrote 'Notice how Lincolm disappeared'. Do you want to get the attention away from tiper this way?

Tiper, what do you think about the others, if they say you're a lurker?

Fartownik, the whole game over it seems that you play very aggressive, it seems like you're acting that way, because you want to defend yourself as well. What do you think about this?

Raging Bull, any further reasons that you voted Lincolm? I want to know them.

You can ask me questions as well, of course.
Irreversible
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EBWOP: (or however that is written)

Konei, you said that you're reading the posts, but .. you didn't say anything. Are you just inactive, or do you want to play as quiet as possible, not to get attention?
fartownik
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Irreversible wrote:

Fartownik, the whole game over it seems that you play very aggressive, it seems like you're acting that way, because you want to defend yourself as well. What do you think about this?
Defend? From what I recall I was only putting pressure on people so their reactions talk. I don't really see any defensive playstyle in this, but if you say so.
Konei
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Konei
oops, actually forgot to post xD

But then, I'm still unsure what to do orz
Konei
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fartownik wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Fartownik, the whole game over it seems that you play very aggressive, it seems like you're acting that way, because you want to defend yourself as well. What do you think about this?
Defend? From what I recall I was only putting pressure on people so their reactions talk. I don't really see any defensive playstyle in this, but if you say so.
For me that sounded weirdly agressive o.o
Or is it just me?

I get what you do by asking questions in an agressive way, but replying on a question like this
seems as if you feel uneasy.
Irreversible
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@Fartwonik: There is a proverb, which says: offence is the best defence.. now you know why I'm asking
Konei
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Konei
Oh Irre, dont make fanderwik cry again.
fartownik
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Irreversible wrote:

@Fartwonik: There is a proverb, which says: offence is the best defence.. now you know why I'm asking
It's actually "The best defense is a good offense". And yes, you're right. But a good offense is also a good offense. If you find anything else but my aggressivness, let me know.
Konei
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A good point you have there xD
Irreversible
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fartownik wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

@Fartwonik: There is a proverb, which says: offence is the best defence.. now you know why I'm asking
It's actually "The best defense is a good offense". And yes, you're right. But a good offense is also a good offense. If you find anything else but my aggressivness, let me know.
Yeah, sorry for that mistake.
Sorry, but for now i don't believe you this offense things.. I mean, the way you answered this question again was super odd. I mean, I would have a reason to vote you right now, but I won't, since I want to know something about the others as well, and i have unanswered questions.

Btw: You seem mad: If you find anything else but my aggressivness, let me know. <- Why did you write that? It's like, you're not interested in my insights. Well, that's it for now.
fartownik
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Irreversible wrote:

Btw: You seem mad: If you find anything else but my aggressivness, let me know. <- Why did you write that? It's like, you're not interested in my insights. Well, that's it for now.
I wrote it because being aggressive is not enough of a reason to vote someone, in my opinion.

The word "aggressive" starts to sound weird for me.
fartownik
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Konei wrote:

Oh Irre, dont make fanderwik cry again.
Also sorry, but what do you mean by this?
Irreversible
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It seems weird to me fartwonik, suddenly you got WAY less agressive than before.

Is it because it was true, what i said? Tell me your thoughts. I was like you're asking me questions as well, because you played that kind of offensive before.. i suppose.
Irreversible
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correction to my post before: I wanted to write: You were going to ask me questions as well* (like, you would do that, you know)
fartownik
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Irreversible wrote:

It seems weird to me fartwonik, suddenly you got WAY less agressive than before.

Is it because it was true, what i said? Tell me your thoughts. I was like you're asking me questions as well, because you played that kind of offensive before.. i suppose.
Sorry but I don't get the point of your suspicion on me. Should I scream at you right now so I stay "AGGRESSIVE"?

Also I didn't ask you questions because I don't have any.
DakeDekaane
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@Irre: how can that statement lure the attention away from tiper? tiper is indeed lurking and he's getting enough attention because that. But I noticed Lincolm's activity decreased after all his show.
Sakura
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I go to take a nap and activity skyrockets.

@Irre: Those are rhetorical questions... or are they? they are to gauge reactions not for scum to come and say "Yes I'm scum", you can easily find scum by checking in which way each person answered.

Sorry if I missed a question, if I did kindly ask it again, I just skimmed through the recent posts that happened while I was napping.
fartownik
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@Sakura: what do you think about tiper?
Lincolm
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Sorry about eh... 2 days ago? I was really angry.

Please, I don't need to explain something that is obvious. I don't understand how you guys thinking. I know some of you are new, but at least you need to think about everything. Setup, roles, at least understand that. Mafia isn't simple game. Many variations and you need understand the variations. Different setup and variations it means different plan, different plan means different mindset.

Raging Bull wrote:

Honestly, it looked like you tried your best to look town by devising a plan and throwing questions left and right. You gave a decent plan, but when I kept questioning it, you played it off as "Reaction test" Well hell I don't care. It also looked to me as if you were trying your best to look too town and then having yourself nearly invincible.
This is kind of post I don't understand. At all. (Sorry, I place your post as the first example, no offense)

Look, I can protect myself EVERY NIGHT. The only problem if one of manipulator is manipulate me and kill me at night. I don't need any protective role in me at night.

Do you really serious with the plan? That was obvious joke. You don't even know my alignment and why you want to protect me?

Hell, why you should care about my reaction test? That is my reaction test, not yours. If you want to know the result, I can give, but why you want to know if it is reaction test or not? The only one who know it is reaction test is only me. You can trust it, or just ignore it.

What's wrong with throwing a question any way? It develops my read and what's wrong with that? I already explain that post your townread in this setup should not been done. It is helping scums, not town.

DakeDekaane wrote:

I knew Lincolm's plan was way weeeird :I (Specially the last day).
Look at the above. Thanks.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Even if it was a reaction test, it was silly, but I don't want to take the risk of losing our Doctor for now
An Absorber also CAN be a doctor.

fartownik wrote:

He insulted me multiple times. Also capslocking, harsh talking. If you don't see it then you're clearly his buddy.
I never insult you. (If you felt insulted, sorry then, no personal things) You want to waste the power. It isn't town mindset. Town wants to lock the scum with their power, not by wasting power. You already played 2 games, and I know it, and your post that I responded last was fake, doesn't match at all with your meta. Even I was angry, I still can develop my read. Capslocking just make me better. Since when harsh talking is a scumtell? 5 years ago... or 10 years ago... maybe.

fartownik wrote:

EBWOP: Also I didn't 'threat' anyone. I just provided my point of view on Lincolm and he started panicking.
Angry = panic? How you can treat that as same?

fartownik wrote:

My suspicions on Lincolm were based on him acting too pro-town, throwing questions on everyone (as he calls them 'reaction tests'), while nothing productive has been given from them.
My question can be look everyday and I don't need to explain it why it wasn't productive because for me it is productive and that's how I get the read. The problem is, why you didn't try to get your own read by your own way? Why I should follow your scum-hunt?

Sakura wrote:

- What are your thoughts on "Lynching All Liars" and "Lynching All Lurkers?"
- Why are you scum?
- Why shouldn't I vote you right now?
Though I already skimmed this and I know this is stolen in DIFFERENT setup. And also, I think RQS is stupid, but fun, like RVS. I never answered RQS before by the way, this is my first RQS.

-Obviously big NO. Let's talk about 2 faction scums never kill each other. What we have? 4 scums and town only decreased. What is the weapon of town? Lynch. If we lynch liars and lurkers? Useful town get killed because scums have no worry about themselves (This is serious answer.)
-Because mod gave me scum PM? How did you know?
-Why I should stop you? *OMGUS ready*

Sakura wrote:

It's a bit early to reveal my plan, as not everyone has responded.
Somehow I thought your plan was power role. Fine then. I was skimming. (And not stable)

DakeDekaane wrote:

Your reasoning may be correct Lincolm, I was considering the same, but there's a small flaw: the alignements were assigned randomly.
Jeez, why I posted, "What if (someone) is scum?" then? It is working to everyone, but I just posted everyone who had manipulate power because they all who we need to consider. And also survival power though, but I prefer manipulator first.

fartownik wrote:

Lincolm, if you can't prove yourself town in our eyes, don't expect us to take everything you say. You're so confident over yourself that you forgot how we see you. Again, if you were town you wouldn't be crying in the corner and staying silent for the rest of the game, this is anti-town as fuck. And if you can't swallow one suspicion on you, I must say this is not very mature from you.

Also about your Natural Action Resolution thingy - yes, it is useful. But it will start being useful in D2 when we already have the night actions done.
Look, if I can prove myself as town, the only way it is by screenshoting my PM. If I do that, do I not get modkill? Or maybe self-metaing with, "Oh hey, I'm town, don't vote me", "Look, I'm town, you guys stupid". Or I should pretend that I'm town, like A said B is town because "something", so I did "something" too, so I'm town because "something" also. Heck, is this very productive?

The point is, you're the one who should read me. Not telling you that I'm town.

So, since that I never saw Kanye also. tiper also. If I silent to calm down myself, I don't think it is anti-town. But you point me.

Why I should not confident? I don't know anything about you, the only thing I know that I'm town. Pressure is a weapon also.

Irreversible wrote:

Ok, League of Legends Mafia was way more funnier :/ is everyone just inactive? ><
Put your joke on.

bmin11 wrote:

mrph, I should really organize my reading into a post, but the madness this game has gone through has already made me fed up with the game..
No townread. Please.

Rantai wrote:

Lincolm was being a would-be-Salvage-turned-emo
Meh, how did you know I was doing that? (when only 4 people vote me for further information)

tiper wrote:

I don't think he's a scum right now, but there're some lurkers like Nyquill and Kanye and he chose me. I mean if someone of them flips a scum there's big chance that others are scumz too.
Get to the point. Why are you lurking then? If someone have personal reason, like busy with real-life, I guess so. But after Fartownik pointed you, why suddenly you're active?

DakeDekaane wrote:

Also notice how Lincolm disappeared after his mad time.
You know I'm mad and why I should keep posting? Jeez... Really...

Konei wrote:

For me that sounded weirdly agressive o.o
Or is it just me?
It is just you. Why you think it is aggressive?

fartownik wrote:

The word "aggressive" starts to sound weird for me.
It is already sound weird when they asked it, if you want to know.

DakeDekaane wrote:

@Irre: how can that statement lure the attention away from tiper? tiper is indeed lurking and he's getting enough attention because that. But I noticed Lincolm's activity decreased after all his show.
Look above. I did post it.

=

So, someone said I should not double post. Or maybe post to many. So this is the result. Tell me your feedback, which better?

Unvote

I'm still sure about my read.
Sakura
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As i said before. There's nothing to hide in this game other than your alignment, both Lies and Lurking are ways to hide something, and i dont know why would someone want to hide the fact that they're town?

vote:tiper

There's my answer to you fartownik, I looked through his ISO and he's lurking as hell.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Sakura, I already respond your RQS. Just take a look. I hope you consider it.

Really.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
EBWOP : Please better word.

Please.
Sakura
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Lincolm wrote:

Sakura, I already respond your RQS. Just take a look. I hope you consider it.

Really.
Not considering it because you were already ready for it as a reaction test because of the whole Rantai incident, tho if you wanna know your answers read Town mindset to me, not like it matters now anyways.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
RQS is obviously not reaction test. If RQS is reaction test, then RVS also a reaction test.
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Or perhaps you're too lazy to read it?
Konei
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fartownik wrote:

Konei wrote:

Oh Irre, dont make fanderwik cry again.
Also sorry, but what do you mean by this?
He misspelled your name again lol, nvm.
Sakura
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If rhetorical questions arent a reaction test then pray tell what they are. I did read it, and told you the result, what else do you want?
Irreversible
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Irreversible

Lincolm wrote:

fartownik wrote:

The word "aggressive" starts to sound weird for me.
It is already sound weird when they asked it, if you want to know.

Lincolm, why was it weird when I asked that? Explain me please. In my eyes, he is weirdly acting. But I wanted to quit this topic for now, since i might be wrong.

^this just made no sense.. lol i'm tired

for any questions, or if i didn't read something.. tell me please, i think i'm sick (again) u.u
Lincolm
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Lincolm
Jeez, I don't understand with this whole town mindset. Really.

I already tried but seems useless.

Look, there is many reason why town is lie also. It can coordinate the whole WIFOM to scum. Jeez, how do you didn't realize this? This is role madness.

There is many reason why people lurking. You already pointed it and still, I don't think tiper is someone who can read people. Inactive and lurking almost same, and lurking is null-tell. Fence sitting is scum-tell. Even if you're inactive, why you don't try to use your mobile phone or posting at least once a day? That is the question.

Why do you think tiper can read someone, really? In his 5P odd role he is also doing that, this is my reason why consider about him. If you want to read people who are lurking, why you don't give pressure?

Because you're town, why I should answer your RQS seriously? I don't even know you're town or scums until your alignment revealed.

=

I'm tired telling this all of the way.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Who are you talking to? xD
Lincolm
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Irreversible wrote:

Lincolm, why was it weird when I asked that? Explain me please. In my eyes, he is weirdly acting. But I wanted to quit this topic for now, since i might be wrong.
His aggressiveness is in your PoV. His defensive is in your PoV also. So, it is weird in other people eyes who disagree with it. I just disagree about that, so it is weird in my PoV.

But I like what you did in there.
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Irreversible wrote:

Who are you talking to? xD
That is to Sakura though.
Raging Bull
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To Sakura
Irreversible
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Irreversible
oh, okay then.

good night everyone~
Raging Bull
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Irreversible wrote:

Raging Bull, any further reasons that you voted Lincolm? I want to know them.
Honestly, it looked like you tried your best to look town by devising a plan and throwing questions left and right. You gave a decent plan, but when I kept questioning it, you played it off as "Reaction test" Well hell I don't care. It also looked to me as if you were trying your best to look too town and then having yourself nearly invincible.
I'm sure Licolm had a fun time reading me though since I probably fell into this reaction test.

Unvote
bmin11
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Since I've forgotten almost everything I wanted to say after the game calms down, I'll just add comments as I review the thread. This post is going to be long.
Sakura
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fartownik: town
Irre: Null leaning scum
DD: Town
bmin: Null
RB: Scum
Pizzicato: Scum (So much PC in there...)

That's all i could get from the people who replied, I'm just gonna park my vote on tiper because lurking, and because i'm fricken tired of people asking me about my reaction test, if you want to lynch me due to this that's fine, at least i left my reads there for others to see.
Lincolm
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Raging Bull wrote:

I'm sure Lincolm had a fun time reading me though since I probably fell into this reaction test.
Honestly I still want to know why you have that mindset, because I don't get it. At All. And I already responded it. My reaction test to know your alignment and my mental notes, but I still don't know why you have that mindset.

=

Kanye - Dake - Fartownik still scum.

Don't want to post my townread.

Personally, I'm already tired with this game.
Sakura
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Lincolm wrote:

Personally, I'm already tired with this game.
Me too tbh.
Raging Bull
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Lincolm wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I'm sure Lincolm had a fun time reading me though since I probably fell into this reaction test.
Honestly I still want to know why you have that mindset, because I don't get it. At All. And I already responded it. My reaction test to know your alignment and my mental notes, but I still don't know why you have that mindset.

Okay I'm confused now. I did see your reply. You said this was just a reaction test right? I'm just saying you probably had a fun time reading me because I really just fell right into it. Perhaps I cannot type my thoughts out.
Lincolm
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Raging Bull wrote:

Okay I'm confused now. I did see your reply. You said this was just a reaction test right? I'm just saying you probably had a fun time reading me because I really just fell right into it. Perhaps I cannot type my thoughts out.
Reading everyone with reaction test is fun. Looked at their reaction, emotion, how to they post, etc. But your previous conclusion made me confuse, so I posted what I confused about you. Sorry making you confused also.

Meh, I'm bad at writing also. I'm too strive with myself in writing. Experience will lead you.
Rantai
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@_@

Anyway, tiper seemed to be extremely defensive when called out for lurking. Instead of explaining why he simply pointed the finger at other people. That alone is enough for me.

@Lincolm, that line about you was simply an observation based on a 3rd party perspective. You seemed aggressive in a way that reminded me of Salvage but then you lost your composure for whatever reason.
Hika
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Hika

Rantai wrote:

Anyway, tiper seemed to be extremely defensive when called out for lurking. Instead of explaining why he simply pointed the finger at other people. That alone is enough for me.
Where the heck is this at? This game is so interesting when I leave but when I come back it's pretty much like "look at what you missed while you were out sleeping".
Rantai
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tiper wrote:

EBWOP: And there're some lurkers as me. Why dont you want to vote for`em? It looks like I found some guys from your team(Nyquill, ShinseinaTenshi, Kanye)
At least you didn't have to read 20 odd pages to catch up ;P
bmin11
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Since I've forgotten almost everything I wanted to say after the game calms down, I'll just add comments as I review the thread.

RV RV

Lincolm thinks all roles are good and suggests a plan focusing on protecting himself. The majority has questioned his plan (naturally) and also pointed out that both Raging Bull + Irreversible abilities won't save him to begin with. I agree that the plan is awful, so he is being anti-town or having a secret intention (which he explains later). Also a RV on Nyquill.

RV RV, RV RV RV RV RV (seriously, you are not Meepo for Gods' sake)

fartownik questions Lincolms sanity. I have to agree that he looks too excited, but I guess it's understandable considering how long it has been since his last mafia game. Sakura points this out right after this post.

DakeDekaane votes on Lincolm for not knowing mafia game. I'm having trouble deciding rather this is a RV or a legit vote as how stupid the reasoning was. Actually, that was probably a RV. Moving on.

Lincolm tries to play smart. This was rather unnecessary and personally, I think this attitude later accumulated into a mess.

Kanye West votes his second vote on Lincolm for RV-ish reasoning.

bmin being late to the party Matches his meta

Irreversible questions Dake - Kayne mafia line. I guess it is entirely possible for mafia to decide on who to vote, but it's hard to believe that they would do such thing so early. Normally, I would give him some town points for this, but this could also be an attempt on alignment fishing by other mafia. His intention to accuse them was rather weak (he decides to RV while scumhunting?).

Sakura questions Irres' stability (couldn't think of a better word). Could be seen as a defend, but she could have done a better job then this if that was her intention. Nothing much to dish out.

Lincolm calls out Kayne as scum. He doesn't explains his reasoning, assuming everyone thinks like himself. Calling out scum is where explanation is absolutely needed. Anyway, his reasoning follows later on.

Konei foresees a mess. Good call, but why? This worries me as a bad mafia behavior (nervous reaction for his scum buddy being called out).

This guy is still trying to figure out the game.

DakeDekaanes' post that I couldn't fully understand. Maybe I'm taking this a bit too complicatedly, but can you elaborate this farther?

Lincolm calling out DakeDekaane as scum for not knowing mafia game. These guys know how to throw at each other, eh? Anyway, same comment I made above on DakeDekaanes' vote.

Konei defenses Irreversibles' logic. Just looking at this post, this is a valid point. However, this brushes me to a wrong direction considering his previous post. Still, valid point.

Irreversible defenses himself. Not sure what to make out of. Was rather natural.

Lincolm still refuses to explain while still suggesting his plan.

fartownik declines Lincolms' plan while asking for a reasoning on voting on Kayne. Nothing much to comment on.

bmin pointed out a possible error on the first page. Good job, but not helpful.

Lincolm explains his unusual enthuthiasm and also, finally explains his reasoning. The reasoning itself isn't very convincing. Makes sense, but Kaynes' post renders this down. I could only take Kaynes' vote as a RV due to how early the game was and how he didn't even try to present a reasoning. Though, vanishing after that RV is scummy.

Posts those are not so important

Irreversible calls out on lurkers. Good job.

Sakura thinks Kaynes' vote was town behavior. Though, Kayne hasn't done anything Sakura has said (he vanished afterward).

bmin thinks role manipulates the alignment. Pretty dumb I found since it should be random anyway. Though, I must say it would be really stupid if the mafia took our only doctor lol

Lincolm questions "why so hard on Kayne?" Well, you are the one who brought it up. Why wouldn't you want us to question Kayne? More so, why wouldn't you want to lynch the person you found the most scummy-ish? Isn't that a lack of town motivation on you?

fartownik calls out sheeping on Irreversible. Does look like a attempt on looking town-like, since calling out lurkers after only 3 hours of mafia game is odd.

Konei questions fartowniks' aggressiveness. He has done another questioning on scumhunting with lack of reason. Why are you doing this?

Sakura asks the same question as I had. And I like ice-cream

Konei admits that he is calling out for no reason. Well, you should have had some kind of "erk" when you saw fartowniks' post, since it made you to post something.

Irreversible defends Konei. Though, his idea on "passive" doesn't align with what I think as as "passive" behavior.

Somehow, Sakura thinks Irreversible is town. I don't get it, so can you explain this for me please?

fartownik says his sheeping resulted from Irreversible being nervous. Again, calling out lurkers 3 hours into the game is odd indeed.

fartownik posts about Koneis' history on white-knighting. I would have to check his meta.

Kanye confirms his intention on pressuring. Though, it seems like he is more interested in defending himself, rather then extracting any info from his pressuring.

Lincolm calls out that Kayne is lying with his intention. I agree that his motivation was rather weak. I think the pressuring part was made up to defend himself harder. However, he really could have just wiped it off as a simple RV (that's what the majority though t anyway). Maybe this is a nervous reaction from being voted on?

Lincolm wants Backfire dead (and possibly Hika as well). Later, he says he doesn't anymore.

Some OMGUS votes with some rhetorical questions. Kind of painful to read.

Backfire hates Lincolm, Hika, and Sakura. I gotta agree with him (rhetorical questions make us feel dumb and I hate that feeling), but I disagree on his reasoning about... most of the stuff. No reason to hate on a person for its English (that is for Dota, not mafia) and your role is not useless. Finally, you shouldn't complain, since you had the chance to pick a hero (what did you expect from Techies?). I don't think I can provide a read from this post however. Too emotional.

Hika votes Backfire regardless of his alignment. Also, soft claiming her thought on Lincolm and Backfires' alignment. Only mafia should be worried with Backfire, since mafia would not like to target/kill Backfire other then a lynch. On the other side, town has no worries since they could just not protect him and wish he either dies with mafia or survive to vote again. I'm taking this as an attempt on scapegoat.

Goddamnit Backfire

Sakura want a policy lynch. Hard to call on this because you know.

fartownik does the same. Same comment as above.

Backfire posts that he has intention to help townies he likes.

Backfire plays a WIFOM, but I would have to consider this due to later moves.

Backfire doesn't get why he is being voted. Remember that they are pushing you for a policy lynch, not a normal one.

fartownik thinks Lincolm is trying to hard on being town. I think it's more of a Salvage case, going ahead of himself too far. Though, I agree on the last line, also adding general confusion on townies.

Backfire suggests a suicide plan. This pretty much throws me into a pile of WIFOM, especially after knowing of a role blocker.

Will be talking about this later

Bunch of "this role suck"

Lincolm wants Backfire to live. This looks pro-town to me. Opposing to majority for towns benefit is good. Ofcourse, there is a possibility for Lincolm - Backfire mafia line, but I really doubt that due to how things went. IF you guys actually are mafia buddies, good job on making this game terrible just to win.

fartownik thinks Backfire is mafia. Well, I could ask the same. Why do you think he is mafia? About Lincolm, I commented above some where.

Sakura comes up with a reason to lynch Backfire, but it only helped to open up the possibility of Backfire being able to become mafia.




You know what? Screw this I'm just gonna read. Way too tired.
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-About Backfires' role

Consider him as semi-unkill-able townie. Mafia would have to risk to kill him and even then, they are better off killing someone else. It's better then nothing.


-To all who wants a policy lynch on Backfire or want him to suicide

Have you guys ever considered replacing him? As Lincolm said, this is a huge waste of a lynch/voting power. I could only take this as a scapegoat attempt + free kill attempt. I need an explanation for this (Hika, Sakura, and fartownik).


-FoS on Kayne

Kayne because
Though, it seems like he is more interested in defending himself, rather then extracting any info from his pressuring.
I agree that his motivation was rather weak. I think the pressuring part was made up to defend himself harder. However, he really could have just wiped it off as a simple RV (that's what the majority though t anyway). Maybe this is a nervous reaction from being voted on
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NoHitter wrote:

fartownik wrote:

@Mod: asking to cut the length of D1.
Ok then.

The deadline is now 48 hours from this post.
Oh shoot, why?

Rantai wrote:

bmin is being adorable/scary bmin
Elaborate
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I had a null read on you as always.

>:
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God damn bmin.
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I don't even know how to contribute to this game anymore, I'm so lost.

All I can say is why the hell is tiper so defensive the moment he was pointed out as a lurker and he replies almsot immediately.
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Tons of people and no leads to do something besides look for lurkers (hi tiper), and it's weird, at least for me, that everybody are being selfish with their readings on people.

I think I'll just vote tiper and looks what happens.

Vote: tiper
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bmin11 wrote:

Have you guys ever considered replacing him? As Lincolm said, this is a huge waste of a lynch/voting power. I could only take this as a scapegoat attempt + free kill attempt. I need an explanation for this (Hika, Sakura, and fartownik).
I considered a replacement, but I also thought it might be just a fucked up scumplay from himself. If he's up for a replacement, then fine.

@Lincolm: read bmin's post, you will see why I've been on you. Alos not sure why you still think me as scum, please explain.

My reads:
RB - null leaning town
Lincolm - null
Hika - null leaning scum
bmin - town
Kanye - null leaning scum
Rantai - town
tiper - scum
Irre - null leaning scum
Nyquill - null
Dake - null
Sakura - scum
Pizzicato - null
Backfire - totally fucking null
Konei - null
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VOTE COUNT:
tiper (3) - fartownik, Sakura, DakeDekaane
Backfire (2) - Kanye West, Hika
Hika (1) - Backfire
Lincolm (1) - Kanye West

Not Voting (9) - bmin11, ShinseinaTenshi, Nyquill, Pizzicato, Konei, Irreversible, tiper, Lincolm, Raging Bull
tiper
tiper
r u serious, guys?
Vote: DakeDekaane
Why are you trying to bus me?
tiper
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EBWOP: Someone of you is a scum, this is obviously fact. Maybe, Sakura+DD, idk.
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Because you were so quick to defend yourself and start pointing at other people instead.
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Though I would have personally voted for you sooner or later if you didn't post since you just lurked. And god damn D1. I hate you.
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Anyways if people care about my reads.

Licolm/fart/Sakura/Backfire is probably town, but backfire is just anti town as fuck.

Pizzicato/Nyquill inactive. Maybe scum?teehee


Hika seems scummy to me. Not much informative post, just filler.

Konei same. Tried question which I respect, but keep saying I don't know what to do makes me feel uneasy

Rest is pretty much null for me.


Also someone update ISO to include Rantai.
@mod Prod Pizzicato and Nyquill

Really curious on what Nyquill input is on the drama. and his last post said he is going home and read :(
tiper
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Doesn't make sense.
What happened:
1)fartownik voted for me because I'm lurker
2)I asked why me instead of other lurkers
3)Sakura voted for me because I'm lurker
4)DD voted for me because I'm lurker
5)fartownik posted his reads, he think that I'm a scum now
fartownik or DD should be a scum or I really don't know what the hell are they doing
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tiper wrote:

Doesn't make sense.
What happened:
1)fartownik voted for me because I'm lurker
2)I asked why me instead of other lurkers
3)Sakura voted for me because I'm lurker
4)DD voted for me because I'm lurker
5)fartownik posted his reads, he think that I'm a scum now
fartownik or DD should be a scum or I really don't know what the hell are they doing
There's your problem.
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^


What he said

You're basically trying to throw suspicions to others instead which seems very scummy.
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DakeDekaane wrote:

Tons of people and no leads to do something besides look for lurkers (hi tiper), and it's weird, at least for me, that everybody are being selfish with their readings on people.

I think I'll just vote tiper and looks what happens.

Vote: tiper

tiper wrote:

EBWOP: Someone of you is a scum, this is obviously fact. Maybe, Sakura+DD, idk.
why is this an obvious fact? tell me please.

@Lincolm and Sakura: You often said you're tired of that game, well i don't really know why. Explain in short words, please.


hm i think that's it for now o.o fartownik, you got suddenly so quiet, why? :3
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Lincolm wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Lincolm, why was it weird when I asked that? Explain me please. In my eyes, he is weirdly acting. But I wanted to quit this topic for now, since i might be wrong.
His aggressiveness is in your PoV. His defensive is in your PoV also. So, it is weird in other people eyes who disagree with it. I just disagree about that, so it is weird in my PoV.

But I like what you did in there.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Tons of people and no leads to do something besides look for lurkers (hi tiper), and it's weird, at least for me, that everybody are being selfish with their readings on people.

I think I'll just vote tiper and looks what happens.

Vote: tiper
Well, let's really see how this goes on, because you defended tiper in one way, well you 'asked' him about why he votes fartownik.. if you unvote all of a sudden (so another one gets killed), you have my vote, because currently i'm thinking you're one of the two scumgroups. (with tiper) Not sure though, will look how it goes. (page 27, btw)

tiper wrote:

r u serious, guys?
Vote: DakeDekaane
Why are you trying to bus me?
^ do you want to avoid that we think you're scumbrothers? i don't believe you. Because actually one vote isn't enough to kill one - the perfect situation for you two guys. (well, otherwise it's OMGUS)


Vote: tiper[/quote]

tiper wrote:

EBWOP: Someone of you is a scum, this is obviously fact. Maybe, Sakura+DD, idk.
why is this an obvious fact? tell me please.

@Lincolm and Sakura: You often said you're tired of that game, well i don't really know why. Explain in short words, please.


hm i think that's it for now o.o fartownik, you got suddenly so quiet, why? :3


THE POST ABOVE ISN'T THE ONE I WANTED TO SEND, TAKE THIS ONE (it has the same things in it)
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-.- pls, i hate this quoting system: for information i didn't vote tiper!!!

Ok, i'm finally at home :)

Lincolm wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Lincolm, why was it weird when I asked that? Explain me please. In my eyes, he is weirdly acting. But I wanted to quit this topic for now, since i might be wrong.
His aggressiveness is in your PoV. His defensive is in your PoV also. So, it is weird in other people eyes who disagree with it. I just disagree about that, so it is weird in my PoV.

But I like what you did in there.
good point, but well. PoV = Pointing of View, right? and this should be added as well, sorry for that confuse
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tiper wrote:

r u serious, guys?
Vote: DakeDekaane
Why are you trying to bus me?
Tasty scumslip is tasty, not sure if serious or...
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Sakura, i think you missed my question, why you're tired of that game. :)
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Irreversible wrote:

Sakura, i think you missed my question, why you're tired of that game. :)
Because i'm not having much fun with it, everyone seems to just get angry and yell and troll and etc.
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oh i see. i understand that though, but lincolm, you seem to get angry because of that as well.. so you're tired of yourself? o:
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tiper wrote:

r u serious, guys?
Vote: DakeDekaane
Why are you trying to bus me?
Bus you? tiper pls. I'm not scum as you are, don't try to make me fall with you, because that won't work. Why me instead others from your wagon?
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I'm not going to believe that you're his partner yet, but only going to say that only mafia can be bused (by other mafia obv), so he's also pretty much admitting to being scum just with that. If you're both members of the same faction then that slip might as well have painted a targetting mark on you for the opposing faction anyway.
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DakeDekaane wrote:

tiper wrote:

r u serious, guys?
Vote: DakeDekaane
Why are you trying to bus me?
Bus you? tiper pls. I'm not scum as you are, don't try to make me fall with you, because that won't work. Why me instead others from your wagon?
Why did you ignore my statement about that i will vote you, if you're going to unvote all of a sudden? (if tiper would get killed because of you)
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Let me read all of this new stuff. :I
And you people are mean, didn't you guys see my softclaim?
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Anyone can softclaim it

Prod: Backfire

Also, I'm okay with lynching Kayne, Konei, Hika, and tiper for today
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@Irre: why should I unvote? I'm pretty sure tiper is scum.
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@Dake: Just in case you're going to unvote, THEN i have my FoS on you for sure.
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Irreversible wrote:

@Dake: Just in case you're going to unvote, THEN i have my FoS on you for sure.
Pre-emptive accusation? that sounds like you want tiper lynched no matter what.
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@Sakura: no, i don't want that. If you read my things before, i will have my FoS on dake if he's unvoting, not because of he doesn't get killed then, but because then i'm pretty sure that they are scumfriends. do you get that? if not because of my crappy english, i will try to explain again.
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And yet you aren't voting him.
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?? you're totally getting me wrong.
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For clarification my previous post was made before I had knowledge of Irre's last post.
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Oh I see then, nvm to my last comment
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So basically you don't think tiper's scum, yet you're suspicious of DD if he unvotes him?

>Doesn't think tiper's scum
>Encourages people to not move their vote off him.

Does not compute.
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I'm wondering why you focus on this right now, you want to defend him as well? I think i should overthink the whole thing again.

I said that i think dake and tiper could be scumfriends, if you have read my previous posts. And i actually don't know who else voted him oO

@mod: votecount please
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Irreversible wrote:

I said that i think dake and tiper could be scumfriends
What are you basing this on? just because tiper said he was being bused by DD?
Irreversible
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Well 1) Tiper seemed to made OMGUS: but for me, it just seems fake ..
2) Dake tried to get the attention to lincolm, this seems weird to me as well.
3)

DakeDekaane wrote:

tiper wrote:

r u serious, guys?
Vote: DakeDekaane
Why are you trying to bus me?
Bus you? tiper pls. I'm not scum as you are, don't try to make me fall with you, because that won't work. Why me instead others from your wagon?
BUT THE IMPORTANT THING: I don't want to vote anything right now, because this statement needs time, to see how it envolves. Why did you avoid my question again Sakura?
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I never tried to focus the attention on Lincolm, in fact I was acussing tiper, and commenting my thoughts on Lincolm, what he explained later and seems, valid¿?
@Irre what statement? Aren't you something with tiper and try to put suspicious on me if I unvote him?
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