Maybe this should've been in the Gameplay & Rankings forum instead?
this.thelewa wrote:
And how can pp be PERFORMANCE points if I get less #1's than other people (and less impressive top ranks, at that) and I still get ranked way too high. The pp system is as much of a PERFORMANCE based system as is just randomly picking a runner on a track competition and calling him the fastest. That's how much PERFORMANCE you need to rank high on the system.
pixeldesu wrote:
And a fun thing I found: "online ranks above #500 don't count", but as stated above I was #620.
It's probably even higher by nowpeppy wrote:
pp is currently considering the top 648 scores (7 months ago), and this number will be changing (mostly increasing?) over the coming months/years/decades.
I agree. If you cannot form this into a clear request, then this should be debated in Gameplay and rankings. Please turn the thread OP into something usable or I will have to move this thread there.Oinari-sama wrote:
Maybe this should've been in the Gameplay & Rankings forum instead?
before pp, there were score ranks.silmarilen wrote:
what if pp was working as intended but nobody knew the intention?
they are not synonyms.Aqo wrote:
At the very least, PP should be renamed. What's up with all of the people who say "performance" and "skill" are not the same thing? They're synonyms. This system clearly does not measure skill, so it should be named something else.
As other people have already mentioned: Beatmap ranks are only publicly visible until #50. That's the only information osu!tp can work with, which again makes it only useful for players who can consistently rank top50.kuigliii wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong about what I'm saying, but am I the only one who thinks that the osutp thing is just as flawed as the pp system? I can see why it would be favorable for good players (lets say top #1000), but I just don't see it being a good idea for newcomers and not as highly ranked players. PP is something everyone can work towards, which makes the game for a mediocre player so much more enjoyable. Getting top 500 on a hard map is something even I can achieve and it just feels good doing so...
When I checked my osutp page only 3 of my records were listed, and I don't even consider them my best and I was actually kind of disappointed.
It is purely based on map / score heuristics. Your position relative to other players isn't even looked at.yoyomster wrote:
"This system applies the ratings of all top50 scores on each player, sorting them decreasingly and summing them up with decreasing weight. Information about recent changes to the system can be found here."
Based on this information (which is all i could get from the site regarding player rating), it seems equally as bad, but maybe i'm wrong.
Does osu!tp take map difficulty into account? Because for me it's hard to say based based on that one sentence.
That's exactly what I thought. Would be nice to see a heuristic-based system officially in place finally.Purple wrote:
How can anyone say the current pp system is perfectly fine? It's so obvious its not. Ephemeral made a thread asking players for what they think are the top 5 hardest maps in osu!. You think he did that just for fun?
The staff is aware of the problems with pp, and are working to design and implement something similar to tp. Once they have their own difficulty calculator, it wont be long until they implement it into the current pp system.
Thing is pp does not care about how well you performed but it does care about who performed worse/better than you + popularity of the map. Which is pointless and farm based, not as easy to farm as ranked score but still not that hard. Like yeah you might not be able to get to the top 10 like it's nothing, yet you CAN get to a very high rank w/o being that good.Tanzklaue wrote:
they are not synonyms.Aqo wrote:
At the very least, PP should be renamed. What's up with all of the people who say "performance" and "skill" are not the same thing? They're synonyms. This system clearly does not measure skill, so it should be named something else.
if somebody on stage performs, then you won't say "that was such a nice skill he showed us today!"
a performance is something you did, while skill is what you are capable of.
but DT >>>>>>>>>>>>> HD HR, so everything is correct.thelewa wrote:
this is to anyone saying that tp is the best system:
I don't know that map but if it is THAT hard to DT then that's correct, even if the acc is low.thelewa wrote:
this is to anyone saying that tp is the best system:
Double tp point difference.thelewa wrote:
It is not.
just deal with it, I never though I'd see someone complain about being in such a high ranked spot, tho I see where u are coming from, you are saying that other people deserve that spot more then you but still...[AirCoN] wrote:
Sounds like gloating in disguise.
TP is a separate ranking to PP and they're developed by different people with different ideas.DeathPrince wrote:
People who consistently farm easy/normal songs are ranked so high now. Saw someone who was a rank 2k before the tp or whatever was made and now they are rank like 400. Literally farming normals all day is the key now smh.
It would be more accurate to say it can only really work for the players whose 10 actual best plays are all top 50.Pancake wrote:
which again makes it only useful for players who can consistently rank top50.
lolnopainkiller666 wrote:
tp sucks, it rates easy and normals with hd+dt+hr more than insanes with hd
A map that's basically a 150BPM deathstream is much harder in DT than HD HR, what are you talking aboutthelewa wrote:
It is not.
If you can't get Top 50 scores on Insanes (or at least hards) then you should not worry about rank.painkiller666 wrote:
then you say if you are not a real pro player, you need to play normals and easy, so fun dude
the difference between HD + HR and DT in that map is a big gap because of the streams and ODthelewa wrote:
this is to anyone saying that tp is the best system: