Then why are you doing this? Why bandwagoning Sakura so suddenly?tiper wrote:
Oh look, i found all 3 scum already, awesome!Lol, Sakura, you're so paranoic. Don't you really think we'd do smth like this
<Konei> Vote: Sakura
<Irreversible> Vote: Sakura
<tiper> Vote: Sakura
in the case we're scums?
Are you even reading?Sakura wrote:
I vote you to motivate you into giving a more legit answer.
This is how this game works, Irreversible. You can't vote someone putting in no reason and not get suspicions on yourself. If you explain EVERY of your vote, you have a higher chance to not get voted. If your logic is too deep simply wait with your vote instead of throwing it on random people without reason because you might make harm to yourself by doing it. Just as you done a while ago. I still think you're newbie town, but some people might think differently and vote you, just like Sakura did.Irreversible wrote:
Sorry, but this is just awesome, why do you kick out yourself? Please, why the hell are you defending yourself that much. You don't have any real arguments, only because I wrote these stuff it means exactly nothing. As I said, i can vote who and when I want, and yes, it seems like you defending those, and you're still going on. For whatever reason, how you like to say. Actually, this self-justifing by yourself is also a bit weird, don't you think so?
Let me ask you something, why did you vote me at the begin? Only because I feel something evil? Hell, that's a real good reason.
I think there is something behind you, dunno what yet, but my vote is definetly reasonable now. Thank you for that~
I think Those is town right now, I don't think he will leave assumption like that.fartownik wrote:
@Lincolm: I voted those because I know he likes to cause ruckus and then go away for some time, leaving people only with assumptions without answers. This is exactly what happens right now and I don't like this. Also the no-lynch from him for me was like: "okay, bring it on". Also as I said, in D1 everyone is scum for everyone, I voted the most voted person to wagon, but also with having something on him in mind. It doesn't really matter now already since I will probably change my vote.
I'm still thinking you're white-knighting Those.BRBP wrote:
I give up on Lincolm for today, we clearly can't understand each other.
It was obvious her reaction would be that you're scum. Both you and Konei gave the same answers to this question, okay. You might be newbie, but you don't seem stupid. Doing the exact thing that scum wouldn't do is also a good play for scum.tiper wrote:
@fartownik: just wanted to see her reaction.
White knight arrives on the white horse and saves the Princess. Sounds familiar?BRBP wrote:
It's funny how all three of you "decided to see her action" in the same time. Also you came up with the same excuse of voting for her
I forgot to comment on this:I feel the same way about Irreversible too, except that his mouth could cause the other new players do something as stupid as hammering those right now :/fartownik wrote:
I'd still vote Revenger R1 since he clearly doesn't know what is going on here and it would make the smallest harm if he turned town (no offence, really). Also explaining my 1st vote here.
I think he's a newbie, but I don't know if he's a newbie town or a newbie scum. That's why I'm voting for him, I don't have any better ideas at the moment.
I'm not familiar with the term white-knighting. I can guess of course, but I'd rather not comment about it before I'm sure.
Hasn't changed much, if he's town he needs to prove to me with his actions that he's town, i'm not going to give leniance to someone who's new, because there's also the chance that it's a scum trying to excuse his actions, and i don't like taking those chances.Lincolm wrote:
@Sakura : What do you think about Irreversible right now?
Well, actually i have changed my mind a little bit, not sure if she's one of the evil ones, after i read all this stuff.Lincolm wrote:
@Irreversible : What do you think about Sakura right now?
Well, she got mad and I don't know how to think about this.Lincolm wrote:
@Konei & Tiper : What kind of reaction do you get?
Maybe not properly defending, but still may throw some connection.Lincolm wrote:
@Dake : Where Hika defend Those?
Irreversible wrote:
fandwerik
Irreversible wrote:
fandwerik
Irreversible wrote:
fandwerik
please, do not capitalize "t" in my nicknameLincolm wrote:
@Konei & Tiper : What kind of reaction do you get?
As well as it's a good play for a townie, lol.fartownik wrote:
Doing the exact thing that scum wouldn't do is also a good play for scum.
I'm a bit split up about this, I mean as I said, i'm not 100% sure anymore if she's evil, but still.. I mean she could only act this way to defend her life, i'm waiting for more comments for now, but leaving the vote on sakuratiper wrote:
I think, she's on the town side, but I'm not assured. So, I'm going to unvote Sakura if we get a better scum-nomination
Don't apologize for double posting, this is a mafia game, so it's expected, next time instead type "EBWOP/EBWODP" when you want to edit something, the acronyms mean "Edit by way of posting / Edit by way of double posting" pretty much mean that you're correcting something in your post.Irreversible wrote:
for now*
orz sorry for these double posts -_-
Nope, it wasn't a matter of saving Irreversible out of a danger since I have no idea if he's scum or not.Sakura wrote:
Well since if i sit and do nothing the scum arent going to magically appear out of nowhere, imma ask a question to tiper and Konei.
@Konei: Why did you suddenly jump on me when i just did a pressure vote on Irreversible to get a better answer? Don't tell me it was reaction testing, considering you were the first vote, I kinda doubt that, as there was no B/W forming yet, and you suddenly jumped when you saw Irreversible in "danger"
I like you know. (By the way, I think Hika is town also)Irreversible wrote:
@Lincolm: Why do you think they are town (fandwerik and those)? Just wondering.
Okay, why you keep think Hika and Those are scum together? What do you think about Me and BRBP's interaction? And Irreversible and Sakura's interaction?DakeDekaane wrote:
Yeah, that made me retract of Hika being with those almost at all, I think we can't get any solid base before the day ends.
No, it isn't. You can keep your hero by yourself. I was made for this... Literally.BRBP wrote:
Are we supposed to use the character names or do something with them, the ones we chose or were given before the game started.
Why you think she is on the town side?tiper wrote:
I think, she's on the town side, but I'm not assured
It's not about losing a vote on me, it's why you put it there in the first place, I'm really not buying your reaction argument, considering that you just voted me without giving a reason, the timing of it seemed odd too. I had something in mind you said hm? of course i had something in mind, i was thinking that Irre's reason was vague, so I wanted to get a better answer out of him, which is why i applied pressure with a vote. You on the other hand, didn't say anything and just voted, Why did people sheep you? Were you prepared to get sheeped by voting for no reason rather than questioned?Konei wrote:
Nope, it wasn't a matter of saving Irreversible out of a danger since I have no idea if he's scum or not.Sakura wrote:
Well since if i sit and do nothing the scum arent going to magically appear out of nowhere, imma ask a question to tiper and Konei.
@Konei: Why did you suddenly jump on me when i just did a pressure vote on Irreversible to get a better answer? Don't tell me it was reaction testing, considering you were the first vote, I kinda doubt that, as there was no B/W forming yet, and you suddenly jumped when you saw Irreversible in "danger"
I just assumed you were having something in mind, so I decided to take a look on your reaction if you are voted.
Also I don't have many targets to vote at the moment, so I thought it'd be not a lose to vote you considering that I have still time to think about my vote.
I'm acting towny, ergo I am scum?Irreversible wrote:
@Sakura, the way you act is a bit strange for me, it seems like you want to let the others think you're a townie, but you're not one at all. What do you think about this?
My point of voting you was to push you and trying to take youSakura wrote:
It's not about losing a vote on me, it's why you put it there in the first place, I'm really not buying your reaction argument, considering that you just voted me without giving a reason, the timing of it seemed odd too. I had something in mind you said hm? of course i had something in mind, i was thinking that Irre's reason was vague, so I wanted to get a better answer out of him, which is why i applied pressure with a vote. You on the other hand, didn't say anything and just voted, Why did people sheep you? Were you prepared to get sheeped by voting for no reason rather than questioned?
My FoS on you and tiper is increasing more and more.
Actually you do have a point here Sakura.Sakura wrote:
So you reaction test me, get nothing out of it, so you decide to leave the vote on me, instead of scumhunt.
Ok, this attitude has been noted then.
No, that's not what I said, it's just that you want to let the others think that you're a townie, what kinda lets me think about you're something else. The part is following: You are asking really weird things, and sometimes they are really taken from nowhere, somehow, got me? Of course this can be wrong, that's just how I feel. The reason is not WIFOM (is this Whine in front of me? i don't really know these shortcuts yet, sorry), it's more that i want to figure out that i want to know what you really are.Sakura wrote:
I'm acting towny, ergo I am scum?Irreversible wrote:
@Sakura, the way you act is a bit strange for me, it seems like you want to let the others think you're a townie, but you're not one at all. What do you think about this?
What is the reasoning of that question? the only thing i can think of it is you throwing WIFOM.
What part of me is making you feel like "i want others to think i'm towny", what makes you think i'm not a towny?
It's called PoE (process of elimination), a common action used to lower the probability of people being scum. Also I can't really say if Lincolm is town yet. It's obvious he'd play the game this way even if he was scum, can't really say by the R1. Also if BRBP and Lincolm were scum together that little fight would be a magnificent way to pull away the further suspicions :p But that's just another WIFOM.Irreversible wrote:
Okay then..
@Lincolm, why do you only make some conjectures? I mean of course it's pretty logic that you want to know who is where, but still. Also: Why do you always write 'they are townies'? Why don't you write.. they are scum, the evil ones etc.? This lets me think about that you're a townie as well.
You mean, conjectures = WIFOM? My read basically from WIFOM + Occam's Razor. There are 11 towns in here and 3 mafias (Hey, I know my own role). It is more easier to seek towns rather than mafias. Towns are honest and mafias are contrived, it is more easier to take a look the honest. Also, make a group of towns (if we trust each others actually) could make a pressure to mafias.Irreversible wrote:
@Lincolm, why do you only make some conjectures? I mean of course it's pretty logic that you want to know who is where, but still. Also: Why do you always write 'they are townies'? Why don't you write.. they are scum, the evil ones etc.? This lets me think about that you're a townie as well.
I agree that'd be pretty bad scumplay, so let's review.BRBP wrote:
Isn't it frustrating, Sakura? When you have to repeat yourself a million times before they understand
@Konei, you can't really "test" anyone with a 1/8 vote on RVS, lol. That's just a bad excuse.
I don't think all three of them are scum, that'd be the worst scumplay I've ever seen.
I'll leave my vote on Irre and go to sleep.
For now all that I'm doing, I'm doing to get more information about players. Nothing more.Sakura wrote:
@tiper: Why did you jump on my b/w when Irreversible's vote was obviously an OMGUS vote?
Because ofLincolm wrote:
Why you think she is on the town side?
Just dont edit your post, put that in your next post...Irreversible wrote:
I'm sorry for my weird argumentations so far, i thought there are 3 teams, omg XD
i'm going to read the other posts soon, and ask some more questions.
so far: unvote: sakura because i messed the things up
EBWOP: I have to make Unvote: Sakura bold
If you keep count farto voted him first, he provided his reason and I provided mine.Irreversible wrote:
Why is everybody behind konei now? o.o'' don't really get that, only because sakura voted him first ? (as far as i remember)
If he doesn't cancel his vote at the end of the day and Konei turns scum then he's probably town.Sakura wrote:
@farto: thoughts on tiper's vote for Konei? do you think he's busing? do you think he's town?
...I thought I did?fartownik wrote:
I voted Konei first. Just read through our previous posts, the explanations are there.
Maybe cuz Sakura caught the guy "Oh, I don't know if it's you, but I'll leave my vote on you for now so if you get lynched it will be like an innocent kill" with p/2305512Irreversible wrote:
Why is everybody behind konei now?
Oh, you're right. That no votecount.Nyquill wrote:
...I thought I did?fartownik wrote:
I voted Konei first. Just read through our previous posts, the explanations are there.
You can always no-lynch if you're not sure, analyze the ISOs to get more information, random vote or just sheep to someone.Irreversible wrote:
@fartownik: Dunno what I should think about, maybe they want to get sure that they are a townie, who knows.
This is pretty messed up right now, dunno who deserved my vote right now
I don't think Hika and those are scum together, but there's a posibility of that being true, maybe it was a true misunderstanding from my part, dunno. But I'm a bit curious how you say Hika is most probably town, what made you think that? I can remember Hika said he(she) wanted to make D1 a little more interesting, why?Lincolm wrote:
Okay, why you keep think Hika and Those are scum together? What do you think about Me and BRBP's interaction? And Irreversible and Sakura's interaction?DakeDekaane wrote:
Yeah, that made me retract of Hika being with those almost at all, I think we can't get any solid base before the day ends.
To help you a bit in this thread you can find the ISO archives where you can look at everyone's posts on an specific game on ISO (Isolation)Irreversible wrote:
lol.. that's more than enough :c
Dake: Null atm, don't see much from him in the terms of scumhunting tho I do see him at least reading the thread, Tho after reading his ISO i got another question for him.Irreversible wrote:
@Sakura: What do you think about Dake and Konei right now? Because it seems like you're not trusting them.
It is quite possible that the only reason that some people voted those in general could be because he was clearly scum in Mafia Restoration Project, but others need to realize that even if it's possible to be scum once again, it's possibly unlikely but we will see how the game progresses. I think if we accelerate day by hammering in, it'll get better than this but you all have managed to make this game interesting with the analyzation of misunderstandings, as I've seen after reading the last few pages.DakeDekaane wrote:
Was Tsukasa trying to lead the wagon on those? Why.
NEVER!Sakura wrote:
@Mr Color & Raging Bull: Are you guys ever gonna post some content?
RVSIrreversible wrote:
@Raging Bull: Is there a reason why you voted for Tsukasa? Did you vote for him because he voted those? Tell us *O*
Because you can act pro-town as scum so people won't suspect you.Irreversible wrote:
@Mr Color: I hope you don't do this, only to avoid some discussions and stuff, otherwise this would be very predictable now.
Another question to Sakura: Why do you try to be that agressive? I mean yeah, you want to get away the scum.. but this is so confusing to me, I'm still behind my theorie that you want to camouflage that you're scum yourself. @~@ My FoS is still on you. And no, this is not only because you voted me once.
Also I found it funny how you just vote for Konei after farto mention how you guys probably have day chat but forgot to talk to each other in the thread and now you vote to keep suspicion away from yourself. I don't think his unvote was protecting himself, but just from a bad choice by voting Sakura.tiper wrote:
@fartownik: I just have nothing to ask Konei.
Finally:
Unvote: Sakura
Vote: Konei
Because his unvote looks like he's protecting himself from being FoSing by others.
I'm going to sleep, see you tommorow.
I already said my opinion about Irre, it's a bit hard to tell about Konei and tiper, because both voted with no reason at all, but Konei changed and gave a cheap reason of the why and then changed again as there was no basis on that vote, very suspicious for me if you ask, that and somehow starting the bandwagon against you. And about tiper dunno what to say, he just voted and answered some questions, nothing outstanding in my opinion.Sakura wrote:
@DakeDekane: What are your opinions on the 3 people that wagoned me outta nowhere?
Why am I keeping my vote on those, you're curious, aren't you? I could change my vote for Konei, as he already is suspicious enough, but I really want to gather more info from our missing people (it looks like two of them appeared finally) here before making my final decision, don't want that sudden 3 votes following bandwagon for Konei . those is still suspicious though, giving away Konei based on his last post? Who knows. But he's already in a lower level, but unvoting no lynch means nothing if he still can join the leading bandwagon, that's why I keep my vote on those.Sakura wrote:
@Dake: What makes you still keep your vote on those? he already removed his No-Lynch vote, and other than him not having much content I don't see much of a reason to keep the vote on him. If you still see him as scum would you care to try to sell us your case or reasonings?. Not gonna lie tho, I do have my FoS on him, but it's not stronger than my other FoSs and due to his lack of content he's null with a slight scum lean at best for me.
I don't have that feeling at all.Irreversible wrote:
@Konei: What do you say to the comment from those: 'Oh no I got caught'?
I pretty much wanted to see if anyone but me jumps on Sakura if I did and well,Raging Bull wrote:
@Konei who did you want to post and what answers do you want?
I meant they could come up with this in R1 as newbies. An experienced team would try to persuade others not to vote a potential scum in the first day.BRBP wrote:
They don't even have to be newbies to come up with this. Even though it's not really a good idea, it's sometimes better to just let go and accept that someone got caught. Trying too hard to save that one guy could lead to the other two being caught and lynched aswell.