Zarerion wrote:

Modding the unmoddable.

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1. 00:41:787 (2) - add a note. unless it kills your pattern isn't this already a note? hehe
2. 00:53:037 (1) - ctrl & g & move upwards so it blankets previous (2) changed placement
3. 01:20:662 (4,5) - This killed my combo twice, I'd reduce the spacing a bit moved (4) farther from (3) and decreased distance from (4) to (5) slightly, this should play better
4. 01:23:287 (3,4,1,2) - I kind of disliked this flow-wise, maybe rotating (2) and the following sliders, or moving (4) down, or switching (4) and (1), or something would help i think this is ok
5. 01:24:537 (1) - make the curve down instead of up, so it flows better into (2) done
6. 01:26:787 (3) - ctrl & g? nah, i want the end of (1) -> (2) -> head of (3) to be sharp (sharp jumps are easier to hit hehe)
7. 01:33:412 (1,2,1,1,2,1) - these NC's aren't really necessary imo, especially since you didn't have them on the previous sliders right
8. 01:36:037 (1,2,3,4) - this and 01:38:037 (1,2,3,4) - don't play too well. ctrl & g both (2)'s and both (4)'s or something similar to improve the flow (you might also raise the spacing then if you want to keep it hard) gave it a shot, but it seems to just make the pattern needlessly convoluted, so i think i'll keep as is
9. 01:40:662 (5) - purely for aesthetics, but this is pretty close to (3) hm yes, moved a bit
10. 01:43:787 (4) - make it blanket (2) done
11. 01:47:537 (3,4,1) - Hm... this actually.. looks random. D: Something like that maybe ok
    
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12. 01:51:037 (1,2,3) - just experimenting a bit: i'd like to keep visual unity with 01:51:037 (1,3,3,4,5,3) -
    
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13. 01:53:912 - a 1/1 slider until 01:54:162 - instead? you did that before, too, and it wouldn't kill any patterns here thats true, but there's a lot of heavy beats in the music here and i want to include them all, like the one at 01:54:037 -
14. 01:54:287 (2) - this slider doesn't seem to fit indeed... now changed to sexy wave slider
15. 02:00:537 (3,4,5) - make triangle shape more symmetrical. (3) is too close to (5) atm i'm seeing more of a pentagon here
16. 02:05:662 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - welp, seeing this in the editor now I get what you intended to do here, but the flow from (6) ~ (1) ~ (2) is really awkward moved a lot of stuff around
17. 02:06:537 (4,5,6,7,8) - curve upwards? ^
18. 02:07:162 (1) - I said it in IRC already, move this spinner on 02:07:412 - oh, where the beat ends, ok
19. 02:38:662 (1,2,1) - you know, this kinda undermapped, making thi feel awkward when playing don't want to go full force out of a spinner lol
20. 02:57:412 (2,3,4) - nah, i prefer the 180 degree symmetry here
    
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21. 03:09:787 (3) - blanket (2) nudged sliders
22. 03:29:412 (3) - I would Ctrl & G this slider that would cause some issues with the flow after it
23. 03:33:912 (1,2,3) - I dislike the flow here, suggestion: changed
    
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24. 03:43:037 - insert Break time? not really necessary
25. 03:47:037 (1) - this speedup got me...twice. A bit slower, like SV x0.8 maybe? i want it to end on (2) lol
26. 03:51:037 (1) - ^
27. 03:58:662 (4,5,6,1) - get rid of the kickslider, make this a full stream, to raise the suspense etc. too hard for that part imo D:
28. 03:59:037 (1,2,3) - consistent spacing? oops fixed
29. 04:01:037 (3) - curvy slider? bending either way looks awkward to me
30. 04:02:287 (2) - Ctrl & G (and move a bit upwards so the spacing stys the same? moved a bit differently
31. 04:05:287 (6,7) - this spacing is too low, I almost suspected this to be a tiny 1/4 jump or something....anyway, it's confusing increased spacing
32. 04:12:474 (5) - spacing waaat. why suddenly 1.0 now? no idea LOL made 0.6x like previous
33. 04:33:912 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - that's probably just me, but I don't like these patterns D: i find this kind of stuff more comfortable to snap to, lol
34. 04:44:724 (6) - nazi, but move a few grids up&right so you get a curvy flow ok
35. 04:47:037 (1,2) - This is just the wrong rhythm, unless I'm retarded it's supposed to be like that:
    
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36. 04:48:037 (1,2) - doesn't seem quite right either changed it a little, the guitar is so weird D: it's probably still a bit off, but at least the sliders make it lenient
37. 04:51:037 (1) - I hate such sliders. You have to follow them perfectly if you don't wanna break reduced notch in slider
38. 04:55:787 (4) - blanket (2) done
39. 05:17:412 (2) - subjective: bad shape made less scrunched up
40. 05:41:037 (1,2,3,4) - why not make the whole thing symmetrical? adjusted position of (4)
41. 05:46:287 (2,3,4,5) - image failed huehuehueuhe
    
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42. 06:15:162 (1) - move this spinner to 06:15:412 - done
43. 06:48:287 (1) - this one sure is weird, it doesn't really fit the...what is it? a breathing sound? moved 1/2 later, made 1/2 shorter
44. 07:05:287 (6) - a last, long stream here? nah, want to reduce intensity
    
45. couldn't really find anything wrong with the Hitsounds except for maybe 02:54:037 - after this, continue with the previus finishes and place them on the 1/2 beats as well, to get in even stronger nah, seems a little excessive

Someone teach me modding, please. awesome mod, thanks for your help \:D/

Yeah, this is just amazing, seriously, nothing else to say. Have a star. thanks!

1. 05:34:787 (87,88,89,90,91,92,93) - Remove 91 and 92, change 90 to a k. Or do something else, but basically make it shorter.

20:07 Makar:  /np the map
20:07 *kazukisinx is listening to t+pazolite - Distorted Lovesong
20:07 kazukisinx: oh wat
20:08 *kazukisinx is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/229806 t+pazolite - Distorted Lovesong]
20:10 Makar: okay
20:12 Makar: I don't really like the use of 1/6 in this
20:12 Makar: 1/6 at high BPM is more of a "unsubmit" thing that is done in taikos
20:12 Makar: no ranked maps actually does it to an extreme
20:13 kazukisinx: what you think i should put to replace them
20:13 Makar: I would suggest 1/4
20:13 Makar: instead of 1/6
20:13 Makar: ex
20:13 Makar: 01:20:672 (124,125,126,127,128) - 
20:13 Makar: you can jsut do kkkkk
20:13 Makar: instead of (kkkk) k
20:15 kazukisinx: changed to kkk k
20:15 kazukisinx: (1/4)
20:15 Makar: kk
20:15 Makar: 03:18:797 (87,88,89,90) - 
20:15 Makar: you can eithe rdo kkd
20:15 Makar: or
20:15 Makar: combine it with the stream
20:15 Makar: to make the stream kdddkkdkkkd
20:16 Makar: your choice
20:16 Makar: or anything else really
20:16 kazukisinx: i think i should call backfire
20:16 Makar: well
20:16 Makar: if you -really- like the 1/6
20:17 Makar: you can keep it; I just don't recommend it for a ranked map
20:17 kazukisinx: app*
20:17 Makar: app and rank
20:17 Makar: is the same thing now
20:17 Makar: th eonly difference is the length
20:17 Makar: just so ya know
20:17 Makar: I mod the same way for both
20:17 Makar: as advised
20:17 Makar: but yeah these are just suggestions
20:17 kazukisinx: ok
20:17 Makar: you can ignore if its too much trouble
20:18 kazukisinx: dont worry,im asking backfire if i can modify his parts on the collab,or if he is coming
20:19 Makar: 04:15:047 - this section is really overmapped to me
20:19 Makar: there needs to be 1/1 breaks here to fit this quiet part int he music
20:19 kazukisinx: i combined it
20:19 kazukisinx: the part you mean before
20:20 Makar: okay
20:20 Makar: for the slow section
20:20 Makar: I will give a bunch of suggestions to make it "lighter"
20:20 Makar: first...
20:20 Makar: 04:15:172 - delete
20:20 Makar: 04:15:672 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:15:922 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:16:172 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:16:922 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:17:172 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:17:672 - delete
20:22 Makar: 04:17:922 - delete
20:22 Makar: 04:18:922 - delete
20:23 Makar: sound fine here?
20:23 kazukisinx: sounds well
20:23 Makar: 04:22:734 - delete
20:24 Makar: 04:22:859 - delete
20:24 kazukisinx: still worried because is a backfire's part but is ok
20:25 Makar: 04:54:047 - kkk?
20:25 kazukisinx:   im will not delete this
20:25 kazukisinx: 04:22:734 - 
20:25 kazukisinx: oh
20:25 kazukisinx: wait
20:26 Makar: o.o
20:26 kazukisinx:  deleted both,when you delete both sounds fine
20:26 Makar: okee
20:26 Makar: 05:02:797 (61,62,63,64) -  ddk? 1/4
20:26 kazukisinx: 04:54:047 - 
20:26 kazukisinx: in this part
20:26 kazukisinx: i deleted 1/6
20:26 Makar: okay
20:26 kazukisinx: and put a kkkkddd stream
20:27 Makar: okay 
20:28 Makar: 05:26:172 - 
20:28 kazukisinx: changed into ddk
20:28 Makar: I'd say remove the speedup 
20:28 Makar: because
20:28 Makar: it makes 05:27:047 - unseeable
20:28 Makar: which is kinda unrankable soo
20:29 Makar: would be nice if you changed
20:29 kazukisinx: i can see it properly o.o
20:29 kazukisinx: what about smoothing it?
20:29 kazukisinx: i told it to backfire
20:29 kazukisinx: that speedup is maybe unrankeable
20:29 Makar: it needs to be so that the note doesn't pass it
20:29 kazukisinx: but he decided to put it anyways
20:30 Makar: the finisher starts out before that note then passes it just before you have to play it
20:30 Makar: which can be confusing
20:30 Makar: especially with hidden mod lol
20:30 kazukisinx: i think if we maybe do the speedup a little less fast,it can be readable
20:30 Makar: that too
20:30 Makar: or if ou deleted 05:26:922 - 
20:30 Makar: it would solve the problem as well
20:33 kazukisinx:    doesnt sounds good :c
20:34 Makar: 05:34:797 (87,88,89,90) -  kkk
20:39 Makar: came to a solution with backfire
20:39 kazukisinx: :3?
20:39 Makar: delete the 1.30 and 1.35 timing points at 05:26:797 - 
20:39 Makar: and it will be okay
20:40 Makar: 05:42:047 - kkkkd or w/e you like
20:40 kazukisinx: oh well
20:40 Makar: 05:50:797 - kkk
20:41 Makar: okay now for the part that is most troubling to me
20:41 Makar: one minute
20:42 kazukisinx: did it all
20:42 Makar: 06:16:047 - 
20:42 Makar: th eproblem here is tha tyou can't here the music at all in this section because of how quiet it is
20:43 Makar: and so I would highly recommend you delete this whole section and just have a break
20:43 Makar: from there to 06:34:797 - 
20:43 kazukisinx:  that i was thinking,but no breaks on taiko
20:43 Makar: they are allowed
20:43 Makar: and perfectly fine
20:43 Makar: so don't worry about that part
20:44 kazukisinx: also,there are some sounds to map 
20:44 kazukisinx: if you see Ono's Taikosaki,he mapped it too
20:44 kazukisinx: same with Firce Force
20:44 Makar: yeah but this is what you need to realize:
20:44 Makar: this map is for rank/app
20:44 kazukisinx: yup
20:44 Makar: and is not some thing to map without worrying
20:45 Makar: and so there are more strict standards
20:45 kazukisinx: but its still a resting section
20:45 kazukisinx: definitively you think its properly a break?
20:45 kazukisinx: maybe a spinner or something..
20:46 Makar: a long spinner would not fit
20:46 Makar: I suggest just deleting the section, it seems to be the best solution
20:47 kazukisinx: completely sure?
20:47 Makar: very sure
20:48 kazukisinx: ok i will trust you
20:49 Makar: 06:46:609 (1) -  delete this spinner - it is completely silent here
20:49 Makar: sounds better to keep it that way with the map too
20:50 kazukisinx: what about shortening it since here 06:48:422 -  to the end?
20:50 kazukisinx: i mean,the end of that spinner
20:50 Makar: it still makes it so there are hitsounds where there is no music
20:50 Makar: so I still recommend you delete it
20:50 kazukisinx: ok
20:52 Makar: 06:16:047 - delete this timing point
20:53 Makar: 06:30:047- move thisone to 06:34:797 - 
20:53 Makar: 06:30:047 - move this one to 06:34:797 -   *
20:55 kazukisinx: ok
20:56 Makar: send update to RLC
20:56 Makar: remembe to save
20:56 kazukisinx: okok
20:58 kazukisinx: did it
20:59 Makar: ty

10:53 Makar: hey o.o
10:54 tetsutaro: Hi
10:54 Makar: uh I know you might be busy recently but
10:54 Makar: there is a map I want to rank but I want some other good modders opinions on it first
10:54 Makar: before I rank it
10:54 Makar: would you mind modding or at least looking over a map for me?
10:55 tetsutaro: I can't say I am a good modder just yet, but yeah I have about 1/4 hour (maybe more) to check out stuff
10:55 Makar: I think you are
10:55 Makar: so good enough for me
10:55 Makar: xD
10:55 Makar: also it is... a really hard map
10:55 Makar: are you able to mod those?
10:56 tetsutaro: This is my not-good part, but I'll try
10:56 Makar: ah, well something is better than nothing
10:56 *Makar is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/245124 t+pazolite - Distorted Lovesong [Taikocalypse DX]]
10:58 tetsutaro: Wait wouldn't 1O1T not able to be ranked?
10:59 Makar: its for approval
10:59 Makar: since its longer than 6 minutes
10:59 Makar: so it is allowed (special case)
11:00 tetsutaro: I'll do it here
11:01 tetsutaro: kkD and ddD's after the 1st speed up, not sure if BATs would approve
11:03 Makar: I am a BAT
11:03 Makar: lol
11:03 tetsutaro: After the first crazy-clustery-part there is one region that hitsounds are virtually cannot be heard
11:03 Makar: it is 1/2 so it's rankable, but we did discuss this already
11:04 Makar: and btw this is somebody elses map not mine
11:04 tetsutaro: OK then
11:04 Makar: so can you point out specifics and yoru opinion on the thread?
11:04 tetsutaro: OK I'll write that up
11:04 Makar: thanks :3

19:15 RLC: hi hi hi
19:15 Gabe: hi hi hi
19:15 RLC: i can clarify
19:15 RLC: anything
19:15 RLC: you need me to clarify
19:15 RLC: about the timing
19:17 RLC: D:
19:17 Gabe: o,o
19:18 RLC: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2283130 D:
19:31 RLC: pls respond pls /runs
19:32 Gabe: o:
19:32 RLC: :o
19:33 Gabe: wtf, I always write: disturbed
19:33 Gabe: instead of disturted
19:33 RLC: huh
19:33 RLC: i used to always write ogm instead of omg
19:33 RLC: especially when i was spamming people
19:39 Gabe: hm
19:39 Gabe: can you tell me why there's an inherited timing point here?
19:39 Gabe: and the next three timings
19:39 Gabe: they seems.. useless?
19:44 RLC: hi
19:44 RLC: sorry i was afk
19:44 RLC: uh
19:44 RLC: where
19:44 Gabe: 00:43:547 - 
19:44 Gabe: oops, forgot to link
19:44 Gabe: =v=b
19:44 RLC: ah those
19:44 RLC: i used those to help me storyboard hitsounds
19:44 RLC: i think i can remove them without breaking anything now
19:45 RLC: oh wait i remember now
19:45 RLC: yeah there used to be sliders there
19:45 RLC: so i used the green lines
19:45 RLC: to make one of the ticks give a different noise
19:45 RLC: so i guess i can remove them now
19:46 Gabe: yeah
19:54 Gabe: I'm currently watching your map in 50% playback
19:54 Gabe: it looks good
19:55 RLC: o:
19:55 Gabe: a little suggestion, 03:43:047 (8) - what do you think on adding a new combo here? Since it's having a different sound from the previous notes, it could be isolated, I guess.
19:55 Gabe: a little suggestion, 03:43:047 (8) - what do you think on adding a new combo here? Since it's having a different sound from the previous notes, it could be isolated, I guess.
19:55 RLC: sure
19:55 RLC: it would fit with 03:47:047 (1) - these other ones
19:57 Gabe: yeah
19:58 Gabe: 04:19:047 (1) - the end of this spinner is way too close from the next notes,
19:59 Gabe: since there's three spinners in a row, it might be a little confusing
19:59 RLC: the notes appear on top of the spinner though; so it should be fine
19:59 RLC: and it's a kickslider
19:59 RLC: so it's relatively lenient
19:59 Gabe: so, since there's a soft sound to 04:22:422 - it would sound g-
19:59 RLC: o
19:59 Gabe: well
19:59 RLC: that's good actually
19:59 RLC: yeah
19:59 Gabe: LOL
19:59 RLC: shortening the spinner by 1/2
19:59 RLC: LOL
20:01 RLC: i'm going to go eat a quick dinner
20:01 Gabe: 04:26:047 (1,1) - with the circles between them, you are moving them some grids down, but you have kept the same emplacement for those three sliders, but you have reversed the second slider
20:01 Gabe: 04:26:047 (1,1) - with the circles between them, you are moving them some grids down, but you have kept the same emplacement for those three sliders, but you have reversed the second slider
20:01 Gabe: oh, alright
20:01 RLC: keep on listing whatever you find; i'll address them when i get back
20:01 Gabe: Okay!
20:01 Gabe: Have a good meal c:
20:01 RLC: c: thanks
20:02 Gabe: like said, you could also try to make the same thing with those sliders, by moving them some grids down
20:06 Gabe: 04:56:547 (3) - This is only a suggestion, I have no objection with the current emplacement. Since you have made a blanket with both of these sliders, 04:55:422 (2,4) - , you could also try to blanket this slider with the beginning of this one: 04:56:172 (2) - 
20:06 Gabe: 04:56:547 (3) - This is only a suggestion, I have no objection with the current emplacement. Since you have made a blanket with both of these sliders, 04:55:422 (2,4) - , you could also try to blanket this slider with the beginning of this one: 04:56:172 (2) - 
20:08 Gabe: 05:48:047 (1) - Can you try to make a better blanket here? It's almost perfect ovo
20:11 Gabe: 05:54:297 (2) - this slider seems very far from the previous one. Since the slider one is finishing on a blue tick and the next slider starts directly after it, you should try to make them more closer. It's like these, 05:50:047 (1,2) - , but they're more close than those two.
20:11 Gabe: 05:54:297 (2) - this slider seems very far from the previous one. Since the slider one is finishing on a blue tick and the next slider starts directly after it, you should try to make them more closer. It's like these, 05:50:047 (1,2) - , but they're more close than those two.
20:13 Gabe: 06:06:797 (7) - this one is a bit nazi. Move it to x:376 y:342 to have a consistent spacing with the previous and next circle
20:14 Gabe: 06:53:547 (1,2,3,4,5) - this si just a question, have you snapped them on 1/6? owo
20:19 RLC: hi im back
20:19 Gabe: wb
20:20 RLC: ok, i'll move 04:26:047 (1,1) - 
20:21 RLC: i think i'll move them a lot more too, since right now you can't actually tell that they're moving down when playing
20:22 RLC: 04:56:172 (2,3) - blanket fixed
20:22 RLC: 05:48:047 (1,2) - same
20:23 RLC: 05:53:797 (4,1,2) - i want these to all be the same distance
20:23 RLC: as in
20:23 RLC: their "center"
20:23 RLC: i dunno how to say it