17:11 Setsurei: done
17:11 -Bakari-: nice :3
17:12 -Bakari-: how about an IRC mod? :3
17:12 Setsurei: ok
17:13 -Bakari-: Ok, let's start with [general]
17:14 -Bakari-: You may need some more tags
17:14 -Bakari-: for example: Case Closed
17:15 -Bakari-: ost (short from Original SoundTrack) and probably TMS (studio name)
17:16 Setsurei: done
17:17 -Bakari-: Oh, and try to use Slider Tick Rate 2
17:17 -Bakari-: sounds like it fits with music better
17:21 -Bakari-: now [Normal]
17:23 -Bakari-: You don't need to change Slider Velocity Multiplier ;_;
17:23 Setsurei: oh ok
17:23 Setsurei: so just change from F3?
17:23 -Bakari-: Just change Slider Velocity [http://puu.sh/385QC.jpg here] to 1.05
17:24 -Bakari-: and set multiplier to x1,00
17:24 -Bakari-: it'll be more.. more rankable, i guess :D
17:28 Setsurei: is slider velocity of 1.05 rankable?
17:28 -Bakari-: Why not?
17:28 Setsurei: ok
17:29 -Bakari-: note: hold control to reduce/increase velocity by 0.01 instead of 0.1
17:30 Setsurei: I'm done doing that, that's why I ask is it rankable or not XD
17:30 -Bakari-: then, let's go check combos and rhythm :3
17:32 -Bakari-: 00:42:743 (1,1,1) - three NC in a row may confuse beginners. How about removing second new combo?
17:36 -Bakari-: 00:46:379 - and maybe you should place a circle here? But that will make thythm here too hard.
17:37 -Bakari-: Maybe, if you'll use more sliders here - this part will be more beginner-friendly? [http://puu.sh/3868P.jpg like this]
17:43 -Bakari-: 00:45:894 (4) - have you missed a circle here? Feels like it is missed here
17:43 -Bakari-: let me know if i'm too slow or too fast.
17:43 Setsurei: yes
17:44 -Bakari-: when there're no vocals you're following background music (axample 01:04:076 (3) -)
17:44 Setsurei: if I'm confused I'll directly ask you, if no it means I understood
17:45 -Bakari-: ok. just write something from time to time, so i won't get auto-silince for spamming :)
17:45 Setsurei: lol ok
17:45 -Bakari-: 00:19:955 - just to keep consistent rhythm, place a circle here. There're no vocals, but it'll fit with background music
17:46 -Bakari-: mixing vocals and music a bit will make map even more enjoyable
17:48 Setsurei: put hitsound too?
17:48 -Bakari-: i guess clap hitsound will fit
17:48 -Bakari-: 00:27:712 - same as above :)
17:52 Setsurei: with clap too?
17:52 -Bakari-: yes
17:53 -Bakari-: 00:37:410 (3) - sounds kinda loud. In fact, you don't need to hitsound WHOLE slider. You can hitsound just a part of it
17:53 -Bakari-: head/tail..
17:53 Setsurei: ok
17:54 -Bakari-: http://puu.sh/386wr.jpg - only reverse of that slider needs finish
17:54 -Bakari-: + head and tail need clap
17:54 Setsurei: done
17:55 -Bakari-: 00:58:258 - note for vocals?
17:57 Setsurei: NC there or just let it be (5)?
17:58 -Bakari-: 01:01:652 (4,1) - here vocals go kinda tricky. to follow them, you can try to curve your slider a bit and put note at 01:02:864 -
17:58 -Bakari-: http://puu.sh/386Cj.jpg
18:00 Setsurei: I'll variate the slider
18:01 -Bakari-: 01:05:530 - i guess you already know what to do here. Circle + Clap
18:04 -Bakari-: 01:12:804 (5) - same as already mentioned.
18:04 Setsurei: ok
18:08 -Bakari-: 01:19:107 (3) - :)
18:08 Setsurei: done
18:08 -Bakari-: 01:23:470 (4) -
18:08 Setsurei: ^ ?
18:09 -Bakari-: no need to keep that finish sound on its head
18:09 Setsurei: oh ok
18:10 -Bakari-: 01:29:531 (4) - i'd place a single circle with clap hitsound at 01:29:773 - instead
18:10 -Bakari-: 01:31:712 - same. single circle, clap hitsound
18:11 Setsurei: done
18:12 -Bakari-: 01:35:591 - circle, clap.
18:12 -Bakari-: 01:34:137 (4) - only reverse here needs clap
18:14 -Bakari-: 01:40:682 (1) - you can put finish on that spinner
18:14 Setsurei: done
18:14 -Bakari-: 01:40:682 (1) - same. Circle, clap.
18:15 Setsurei: slider move backwards?
18:15 -Bakari-: oh wait ;_;
18:15 Setsurei: hahaha
18:15 -Bakari-: 02:13:409 - circle, clap*
18:17 Setsurei: done
18:17 -Bakari-: 02:14:864 (3,4,5) - (3) is a bit overlapped with (2) and the whole pattern doesn't look so good. How about replacing (4) with a circle
18:18 -Bakari-: [http://puu.sh/3873y.jpg example + visual improvements]
18:18 Setsurei: circle in the white tick?
18:18 Setsurei: ok
18:18 Setsurei: clap?
18:18 -Bakari-: yes
18:19 -Bakari-: exactly. Circle, clap.
18:20 -Bakari-: 02:21:167 - circle, clap.
18:20 -Bakari-: I bet you'll hate me for that "circle, clap" modding ._.
18:20 Setsurei: lol
18:20 Setsurei: no problem with me, I'm not good in hitsounds
18:22 -Bakari-: 02:35:712 - 1/1 slider with repeat maybe? http://puu.sh/3879v.jpg
18:23 -Bakari-: It'd be weird to have that empty space here. A specially now, when we've fixed half of the diff :D
18:24 Setsurei: 02:35:712 (5) - after this beat I should stack everything right?
18:24 -Bakari-: you don't have to do it, but you can try
18:25 Setsurei: done
18:25 -Bakari-: 02:43:955 (3) - head - finish / tail - clap
18:26 Setsurei: done
18:26 -Bakari-: well.. there were a java script, to do this kind of hitsounding faster. unfortunately, it doesn't work anymore :<
18:26 Setsurei: haha
18:26 -Bakari-: 02:47:834 (5) - head - finish / reverse - clap / tail - nothing
18:27 -Bakari-: it's better to use something simple, if you're not pro. Later you'll get some more experience and you will understand hitsounding better :)
18:28 Setsurei: haha yeah
18:32 -Bakari-: 03:11:591 (1) - how about finish here?
18:33 -Bakari-: 03:16:925 (3) - head/tail don't need clap. What's more you'd better reshape this slider to keep shape more understandable, I think. [http://puu.sh/387tD.jpg example]
18:34 Setsurei: [puu.sh/387vR.jpg is this ok?]
18:34 Setsurei: oops
18:34 Setsurei: [http://puu.sh/387vR.jpg is this ok?]
18:35 -Bakari-: yes :)
18:36 -Bakari-: 03:23:470 (2,3) - this is still the easiest diff, you shouldn't place (3) too close because beginners might mistakenly click it
18:36 -Bakari-: try to keep it [http://puu.sh/387yq.jpg straight?]
18:37 Setsurei: http://puu.sh/387yT.jpg
18:39 -Bakari-: That puush could not be found.
18:39 Setsurei: o3o http://puu.sh/387Di.jpg
18:40 Setsurei: I thought you've seen it so I deleted it
18:40 -Bakari-: yea, looks good
18:40 -Bakari-: I'm a bit slow ~.~
18:40 Setsurei: it's ok
18:41 -Bakari-: 03:30:258 (2,3,4,5,1) - overlappy and messy. It'd be ok in 2010, but nowadays modders are kinda too picky about overlaps ~.~/
18:42 Setsurei: http://puu.sh/387GX.jpg
18:43 -Bakari-: looks cute
18:44 -Bakari-: Now we'd have to do the same for [Hard]
18:44 -Bakari-: but
18:44 -Bakari-: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/131540
18:44 -Bakari-: save changes in normal. Remove all hitsounds from hard. Open that thing. ??? enjoy
18:44 Setsurei: ok
18:47 -Bakari-: done? :)
18:49 Setsurei: done
18:49 -Bakari-: nice
18:49 -Bakari-: let me check that..WHOA
18:50 -Bakari-: Don't you think that sliders are too fast? o3o feels more like [Insane] with low AR
18:50 Setsurei: hmm
18:50 Setsurei: multiplier reduce?
18:50 Setsurei: it's 1.5x
18:51 -Bakari-: Well.
18:51 -Bakari-: Yea
18:51 -Bakari-: 1.00 and 0.75 will work better, I think
18:51 Setsurei: ok
18:51 -Bakari-: but it'll require A LOT of work
18:52 -Bakari-: making sliders shorter and fixing spacing ._.
18:52 -Bakari-: sorry about that :<
18:52 Setsurei: i know
18:52 Setsurei: hahaha
18:52 Setsurei: nevermind
18:53 -Bakari-: oh, and maybe AR8
18:53 -Bakari-: you know, AR should fit with velocity
18:53 Setsurei: done
18:54 -Bakari-: and if you've followed music and vocals in [Normal] diff, do the same here?
18:54 -Bakari-: 00:19:955 - you know. circles, a lot of cicles and sliders should be placed :D
18:55 Setsurei: yes
18:56 -Bakari-: 00:26:743 (6) - and please, I'm begging you, avoid awkward spacing changes like this one
18:56 Setsurei: btw I'll fix the spacing and position on the sliders and circles, so will you mod after I updated this?
18:57 -Bakari-: Sure
18:57 Setsurei: ok, I'll tell you when I'm done :3
18:57 -Bakari-: I'll just recheck placement and flow. We've done hitsounding already :3
18:58 -Bakari-: If I'll be asleep - send me a forum PM!
19:27 -Bakari-: [hard]
19:27 -Bakari-: 00:19:227 - note for vocals? feels empty here
19:28 Setsurei: done
19:28 Setsurei: 00:19:955 (11) - added too < from your mod before I update
19:29 -Bakari-: and since numbers on circles are >11 try to place NCs more often?
19:29 Setsurei: ok
19:29 -Bakari-: every big white line, i guess
19:30 Setsurei: 00:15:833 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - ?
19:30 Setsurei: if I put on 3, it's weird
19:31 -Bakari-: on (8)?
19:31 Setsurei: ok
19:31 Setsurei: 00:15:833 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) -
19:32 -Bakari-: 00:20:197 - note for vocals? :V
19:33 Setsurei: done
19:34 -Bakari-: Maybe we should try Circle Size 4
19:34 -Bakari-: looks more suitable for [Hard]
19:34 Setsurei: done
19:36 -Bakari-: 00:26:258 (5) - 3/4 slider here? [http://puu.sh/38943.jpg example]
19:37 Setsurei: done
19:37 -Bakari-: 00:30:864 - more, More, MORE circles!
19:37 -Bakari-: 00:32:318 - ._. ^
19:38 Setsurei: NC on 00:30:864 (4) - ?
19:38 -Bakari-: yea
19:39 -Bakari-: 00:34:136 - now think about HP Drain here and try to play it o3o/
19:42 Setsurei: a break?
19:42 -Bakari-: a break or some objects. Something that won't let us die there :D
19:44 -Bakari-: well.. It'd be great if you'll fill breaks like this 00:42:258
19:45 Setsurei: done
19:45 Setsurei: clap?
19:46 -Bakari-: i guess so
19:47 -Bakari-: 01:10:136 (1) - secod reverse-arrow appears too soon and players have no time to read it
19:47 -Bakari-: what's more, it is very uncommon to have this kind of sliders
19:48 Setsurei: so remove 1 reverse?
19:49 -Bakari-: yea, and replace it with circle. If you see similar sliders - do the same!
19:49 Setsurei: ok
19:49 -Bakari-: 01:12:076 - circle maybe? ~.~ it'll fit with vocals pretty good
19:51 -Bakari-: 01:15:955 (4) - please, start this slider at White tick. [http://puu.sh/389vz.jpg example]
19:52 -Bakari-: it will fit with vocals much better, i think
19:52 Setsurei: ok
19:53 -Bakari-: 01:24:197 - have you missed something? maybe a circle?
19:53 -Bakari-: you know why? vocals go faster here.
19:56 Setsurei: done
19:56 -Bakari-: 01:35:591 - circle, clap. (OH NO THAT CIRCLECLAP MODDING AGAIN)
19:57 Setsurei: lol
19:58 -Bakari-: 02:08:803 - 02:10:742 - 02:12:682 - and so on. place some circles?
19:58 -Bakari-: earlier you had almost non-stop 1/2 rhythm. And here, suddenly rhythm becomes much easier for no actual reason
19:58 -Bakari-: let's keep it consistent!
19:59 Setsurei: 02:12:682 (5) - it's there already
20:00 -Bakari-: but there're two red empty ticks around :)
20:00 Setsurei: oh
20:01 Setsurei: 02:10:985 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - new combo?
20:02 -Bakari-: 02:12:924 - NC here?
20:02 Setsurei: done
20:04 -Bakari-: 02:13:652 - have you placed some circles there and on following red ticks?
20:05 Setsurei: yes
20:05 Setsurei: http://puu.sh/389Rz.jpg
20:05 -Bakari-: sweet :3
20:07 -Bakari-: 02:38:136 (1) - just fix that rhythm here and we're done!
20:08 Setsurei: I forgot that part after changing the multiplier
20:09 -Bakari-: uh..
20:09 Setsurei: this too ? 02:40:076 (5) -
20:09 -Bakari-: yea