So slow?How you all play...I really want to see it...dudusek wrote:
400dpi ftw!

So slow?How you all play...I really want to see it...dudusek wrote:
400dpi ftw!
^same here, except if you're going to compensate with a higher resolution.kriers wrote:
Your settings would make my cursor fly into the corners of my screen0nozuka Komachi wrote:
800dpi, 0.8x Sensitivity. Am i doing too slow?
It depends. I've always played with it on and when I turned it off, I started doing way worseoh loving you wrote:
hey, what about mouse acceleration? i heard that turning it off would be good...
You haven't played much for eons! You should totally try out this game again. It is a good game after all ;pEphemeral wrote:
back when i actually cared about my rank, i used to have my mouse set to 600 dpi and i would adjust my ingame sensitivity by +/- 0.2 depending on the type of map i was playing.
the mouse used doesn't really matter as long as you are comfortable clicking with it often enough, even if you use the keyboard. i found a great way of increasing your accuracy was to play with just the mouse since clicking often shifted the mouse slightly, causing you to aim dead-center instead of at the outer edge. once you get used to that and switch back to the keyboard, your accuracy goes through the roof.
well, at least it did for me.
I move less than 1 cm. That being said, I find that changing my dpi down from 4k+ to less than 1000 has a minimal effect. I'm without a doubt better with 4k dpi, but there is likely merit in using a lower dpi. For example, I can't use mouse buttons on 4k dpi because it's impossible to do so without moving the mouse off the cursor. However, spinning is much harder on a low dpi.kriers wrote:
I feel I really don't care about dpi used by top players.![]()
What's actually interesting to me, is the actual sensitivity that players use. For instance, how much do they have to move their mouse to reach each corner of the playfield?
emonite wrote:
So slow?How you all play...I really want to see it...dudusek wrote:
400dpi ftw!
I move more than 7 cm, and yeah, I do this because I'm a clicker. Even so, I find spinning with low dpi so much easier thanks toziin wrote:
I move less than 1 cm. That being said, I find that changing my dpi down from 4k+ to less than 1000 has a minimal effect. I'm without a doubt better with 4k dpi, but there is likely merit in using a lower dpi. For example, I can't use mouse buttons on 4k dpi because it's impossible to do so without moving the mouse off the cursor. However, spinning is much harder on a low dpi.
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you can always hit the 4 corners on low sensitivity too... u just have to know "how to play it", low sensitivity is all about wrist. Usually people tend to move the mouse with their arm, so they don't get the full potential of it.ziin wrote:
on high sensitivity, no matter where the circle's center is, you will always be hitting the 4 corners of the screen, which means you can spin as fast as you want, and even move the center of the circle.
It probably is easier to spin in general on a low dpi, but it's easier to spin fast on a high dpi. Recovering after the spin is a different story.
You mean, usually people tend to move the mouse with their fingers, as in a clawed grip?Mesita wrote:
you can always hit the 4 corners on low sensitivity too... u just have to know "how to play it", low sensitivity is all about wrist. Usually people tend to move the mouse with their arm, so they don't get the full potential of it.ziin wrote:
on high sensitivity, no matter where the circle's center is, you will always be hitting the 4 corners of the screen, which means you can spin as fast as you want, and even move the center of the circle.
It probably is easier to spin in general on a low dpi, but it's easier to spin fast on a high dpi. Recovering after the spin is a different story.
that was osu... i ment FPS gaming. I use 6/11 and very slow senskriers wrote:
with 9/11 windows settings, you can easily use a clawed grip, even if you use 400/450 dpi ;p
I actually move 3 times more than you lol
Low sensitivity is, what, 400 dpi?Mesita wrote:
you can always hit the 4 corners on low sensitivity too... u just have to know "how to play it", low sensitivity is all about wrist. Usually people tend to move the mouse with their arm, so they don't get the full potential of it.
I just don't get why you're always putting so much focus on energy usage. You talked about not bottoming out keyboard keys for the exact same reason.ziin wrote:
on osu, standard resolution is probably 1024x768 right? So to get all 4 corners you need to move at least 2 inches. You're telling me there are people who spin in osu using a 3 inch diameter circle? Pardon me if I am in disbelief. Such a waste of energy.
This sort of play style is commonly used, but it's more like a solution for people who can't deal with lower sensitivity. You could ask aevv about this. He'd complain that he couldn't go lower and was stuck at his medium sensitivity.ziin wrote:
By the way, I use a palm grip, though I suppose it's similar to a claw grip. I never move my arm, except when spinning, where it's necessary to get that vertical distance. My wrist stays on the mousepad and never moves.
It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor moves, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.Floks wrote:
So nobody uses high mouse sensitivity? I started playing 2 weeks ago at 4900 DPI. Currently I can pass insane maps and I bumped it up to 5300 DPI because I had trouble with some of the jumps.
At 1.0x in game.
I've been gaming at a high sensitivity for awhile now, but I figured with OSU it would be more common. Also from watching videos of tablet users, the main advantage seems to be speed? They move very small amounts to cover the whole screen. I kind of related high mouse sensitivity to a tablets speed.
I have not been playing long though...
Are you serious? Feel free to watch my crappy youtube channel, but honestly all it takes is hand control instead of arm control. Link is on my profile.G0r wrote:
It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300.
I agree with everything here.G0r wrote:
It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor mover, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.
The majority of professional gamers in Starcraft 2 play at DPI below 1000, but normally not below 400. I have heard that this is a trend in professional gaming in general. As I understand it the top Osu players are usually sub 1000 too.
For many people, myself included, playing with a high DPI initially feels easier than using a low DPI, because your hand is not trained to move quickly, so the long and fast movements confound your muscles, and the high DPI can make you feel like you have more control. However, as your muscles adjust better and your muscle memory starts to learn how to make precise movements you will start to feel how difficult it is to control the cursor when it moves with that little hand movement.
Lastly, using Enhanced Pointer Precision sometimes causes people to use high DPI because their small movements get converted into lower DPI reactions by the Enhanced Pointer Precision acceleration. Turn this off in windows, if you haven't already.
kriers wrote:
I agree with everything here.G0r wrote:
It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor mover, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.
The majority of professional gamers in Starcraft 2 play at DPI below 1000, but normally not below 400. I have heard that this is a trend in professional gaming in general. As I understand it the top Osu players are usually sub 1000 too.
For many people, myself included, playing with a high DPI initially feels easier than using a low DPI, because your hand is not trained to move quickly, so the long and fast movements confound your muscles, and the high DPI can make you feel like you have more control. However, as your muscles adjust better and your muscle memory starts to learn how to make precise movements you will start to feel how difficult it is to control the cursor when it moves with that little hand movement.
Lastly, using Enhanced Pointer Precision sometimes causes people to use high DPI because their small movements get converted into lower DPI reactions by the Enhanced Pointer Precision acceleration. Turn this off in windows, if you haven't already.
Also make sure you never adjust your sensitivity. There's no way you're muscles will ever learn how to use a mouse properly if you keep reseting it's memory. Like, really, the effects of sticking to one dpi are amazing. Just think of being able to accuractely snap your cursor at any point on your screen without even having to think about it. That's what you get for sticking to the same dpi and play lots of osu! for over a year!
what makes you think that? a vast amount of players use razer abyssus or the deathadder, which are mice that can reach up to 3500 dpi.G0r wrote:
It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor moves, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.Floks wrote:
So nobody uses high mouse sensitivity? I started playing 2 weeks ago at 4900 DPI. Currently I can pass insane maps and I bumped it up to 5300 DPI because I had trouble with some of the jumps.
At 1.0x in game.
I've been gaming at a high sensitivity for awhile now, but I figured with OSU it would be more common. Also from watching videos of tablet users, the main advantage seems to be speed? They move very small amounts to cover the whole screen. I kind of related high mouse sensitivity to a tablets speed.
I have not been playing long though...
The majority of professional gamers in Starcraft 2 play at DPI below 1000, but normally not below 400. I have heard that this is a trend in professional gaming in general. As I understand it the top Osu players are usually sub 1000 too.
For many people, myself included, playing with a high DPI initially feels easier than using a low DPI, because your hand is not trained to move quickly, so the long and fast movements confound your muscles, and the high DPI can make you feel like you have more control. However, as your muscles adjust better and your muscle memory starts to learn how to make precise movements you will start to feel how difficult it is to control the cursor when it moves with that little hand movement.
Lastly, using Enhanced Pointer Precision sometimes causes people to use high DPI because their small movements get converted into lower DPI reactions by the Enhanced Pointer Precision acceleration. Turn this off in windows, if you haven't already.
While it is true that in SC2 there are players who use DPIs up to 1600, I have personally questioned top level players, and have been told that they use DPIs in the range that I described. Remember, SC2 players come from a background of SC:BW in many cases, and are used to very low resolutions with low DPI settings to get maximum precision from their movements. Also, the benefit of precise movement in an RTS game is just as important as in Osu!, which is why players like Day[9] have publicly said that they use low DPI, and have suggested using hotkeys to compensate for having slower movement speed across the higher resolution screen in SC2, because high DPI is only good for giving you better snap scrolling abilities, which is why some beginning players favor it when they are beginning to practice and get good.excellions wrote:
what makes you think that? a vast amount of players use razer abyssus or the deathadder, which are mice that can reach up to 3500 dpi.
panning around using 1920x1080 resolution with that kind of dpi is really difficult and is just not worth it
for rts games high dpi = better but for rhythm game, like osu, lower dpi = better. i prefer playing osu with 450 dpi and find it funner, while i use 1800 dpi for sc2 since its more optimal
but i agree with the rest of your post
You also need to consider that you are used to a high DPI. By this I mean the general function of a mouse, when you draw a straight line with a mouse, your hand moves in an arc shape, not a straight line. In gameplay it's a much more complex combination of hand movements. It took quite a while to subconsciously fix the way my hand wanted to arc to the left more as I played, causing my cursor to drift to the bottom left. I tilted my mouse slightly to the right about 5 degrees, and the reverse happened, it drifted to the bottom right.ziin wrote:
Ugh, I need a new mouse.
When playing at 400 DPI, the mouse steadily drifts down I'm assuming because of the mouse acceleration.
I may just go back to 1600 DPI because the acceleration is negligible then.
I realized recently that I'm not moving as much as I did before. It's mostly thanks to balancing the use of wrist and arm in both directions. If I were to use my wrist unevenly, I'd end up hugging my kb or stretching my arm out 45 degrees.RaneFire wrote:
You also need to consider that you are used to a high DPI. By this I mean the general function of a mouse, when you draw a straight line with a mouse, your hand moves in an arc shape, not a straight line. In gameplay it's a much more complex combination of hand movements. It took quite a while to subconsciously fix the way my hand wanted to arc to the left more as I played, causing my cursor to go to the bottom left. I tilted my mouse slightly to the right about 5 degrees, and the reverse happened, it went to the bottom right.ziin wrote:
Ugh, I need a new mouse.
When playing at 400 DPI, the mouse steadily drifts down I'm assuming because of the mouse acceleration.
I may just go back to 1600 DPI because the acceleration is negligible then.
Day9 isn't the perfect example for low DPI preference, since he was only a competitive player in BW, but of course there are many pro who have played bw+sc2 that can vouch for using low DPI.G0r wrote:
While it is true that in SC2 there are players who use DPIs up to 1600, I have personally questioned top level players, and have been told that they use DPIs in the range that I described. Remember, SC2 players come from a background of SC:BW in many cases, and are used to very low resolutions with low DPI settings to get maximum precision from their movements. Also, the benefit of precise movement in an RTS game is just as important as in Osu!, which is why players like Day[9] have publicly said that they use low DPI, and have suggested using hotkeys to compensate for having slower movement speed across the higher resolution screen in SC2, because high DPI is only good for giving you better snap scrolling abilities, which is why some beginning players favor it when they are beginning to practice and get good.excellions wrote:
what makes you think that? a vast amount of players use razer abyssus or the deathadder, which are mice that can reach up to 3500 dpi.
panning around using 1920x1080 resolution with that kind of dpi is really difficult and is just not worth it
for rts games high dpi = better but for rhythm game, like osu, lower dpi = better. i prefer playing osu with 450 dpi and find it funner, while i use 1800 dpi for sc2 since its more optimal
but i agree with the rest of your post
Ranefire is correct, though. Low DPI in SC2 is not necessarily the same as low DPI in Osu! or a shooting game. It's all about what gives you the best control, though, and the best control comes from the lowest usable DPI without sacrificing movement capability.
Also, the DPI capability of a mouse does not really tell you what DPI the player will use. I use a Deathadder, and I use only 800 DPI, despite the ability of the mouse to reach 3500. The reason I use a Deathadder is that it has superior tracking vs. a cheap mouse with 800 DPI, and the difference is very clear to me when I compare it to such a mouse. I also originally wanted the ability to adjust my DPI to find the perfect setting for me. It just so happened to be 800.
I can't argue that 1600 DPI may be optimal for you when playing SC2, but then I don't know what level you play at, and I don't know how you play. For many pros, however, this is higher than they are willing to go. Not all, though. It's certainly within acceptable range for playing the game. Personally I would never confuse my muscle memory by switching DPI between applications. That's just my methodology.
Me too!!!limneosgreen wrote:
i use 1600dpi for osu, lol
i can't understand how you aim with those settingsUtar wrote:
i am confused. i read here that the most of u players play under 1000 dpi. WTF?
sorry, but i cant understand how u can aim on some hard or insane songs. i play on 7/11 on windows, 2x on osu, and 7000 dpi on my mouse D:
is smth wrong with me??
software multipliers make the cursor skip pixels, your osu 4.0x is going to skip more than his 2.0x even if his mouse still moves faster.GoldenWolf wrote:
wtf dude
I tried with 19200 dpi (3200 + osu! x4 + 7/11(assuming 7/11 means x1.5)) and it's totally impossible to aim correctly, it skips like 20 pixels with the tiniest movement I can do
How can you even play with those settings ._.
All hail the best playerAmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I'm the best player out there and I use 400 dpi/1024x768 playfield
No wonder you aren't a top player.harizcoolboy wrote:
Using high mouse dpi to play well??? don't kidding with me...
i'm maybe not a top player but i have a lot of experience with mouse.
I got a trick for all mouse players here :
1)use fullscreen with same resolution as your computer resolution (it will reduce lags for low-end pc)
2)don't use mouse with high dpi because you can't control it on spinner ( Recommending using 800dpi or below)
3)Buy a mouse that fit with well with your hand (Not too big and not too small)
4)buy a little expensive mouse pad too (really great if you want to make a great spin)
5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)
6)DON'T EVEN OR EVER TENSE YOUR HAND THAT HOLDING THE MOUSE WHILE PLAYING (That's gonna make your hand really tired and moving not right in order)
7)Disable mouse precision
8)Don't even try playing on netbook (because it will make a very tiny score of spin and has much lags)
that's it... hope that was usefull.you can copy and paste this information everywhere.of course include my name there.
My mouse : A4TECH X7-F2 950dpi
My mouse pad : E-Blue Cobra Size M
My Windows Speed : 6/11
My osu speed! : x1.05
My Resolution : 1024x640 (Fullscreen.I'm a netbook userI hope i get a new laptop sooner)
My playstyle : Mouse and keyboard
Exactly what I was thinking when I read this lolbuny wrote:
No wonder you aren't a top player.harizcoolboy wrote:
Using high mouse dpi to play well??? don't kidding with me...
i'm maybe not a top player but i have a lot of experience with mouse.
I got a trick for all mouse players here :
1)use fullscreen with same resolution as your computer resolution (it will reduce lags for low-end pc)
2)don't use mouse with high dpi because you can't control it on spinner ( Recommending using 800dpi or below)
3)Buy a mouse that fit with well with your hand (Not too big and not too small)
4)buy a little expensive mouse pad too (really great if you want to make a great spin)
5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)
6)DON'T EVEN OR EVER TENSE YOUR HAND THAT HOLDING THE MOUSE WHILE PLAYING (That's gonna make your hand really tired and moving not right in order)
7)Disable mouse precision
8)Don't even try playing on netbook (because it will make a very tiny score of spin and has much lags)
that's it... hope that was usefull.you can copy and paste this information everywhere.of course include my name there.
My mouse : A4TECH X7-F2 950dpi
My mouse pad : E-Blue Cobra Size M
My Windows Speed : 6/11
My osu speed! : x1.05
My Resolution : 1024x640 (Fullscreen.I'm a netbook userI hope i get a new laptop sooner)
My playstyle : Mouse and keyboard
Play Count: 234B1rd wrote:
I don't really think any sensitivity is worse than any others, it's just about preference; how you hold the mouse/what muscles you use.
I've tested out using 4000dpi even, it wasn't that hard, just had to use fine finger movements instead of large wrist movements.
5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)what does this even mean
I think he means thissarasseo wrote:
5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)what does this even mean
i can tell you're not using 6/11Breiz wrote:
I think he means this
hold your mouse like the left line.. am I good at paint?
Yes, it is worth it. You can either lower your dpi slowly, maybe 100 or 200 dpi a day, or just drop completely to a low dpi such as 800 (that is really a medium dpi but it's nice).Ethelon wrote:
I'm definitely not anywhere near the best, but I play at 3600dpi on the Deathadder (1.0x in osu!). I've read stuff about lower dpi giving you more muscle control but I've had a miserable time whenever I've tried to go lower.
Is it worth it to just grind out new muscle memory at a lower dpi? I know that people play at what's comfortable for them, and you don't necessarily just copy the pros to magically be good, but I think there's a legitimate argument here for increased accuracy where I would otherwise hit a wall in the future.
It shouldn't take that much investigation to realise that I've played a lot offline, I don't have an internet connection at my unit yet.GoldenWolf wrote:
Play Count: 234B1rd wrote:
I don't really think any sensitivity is worse than any others, it's just about preference; how you hold the mouse/what muscles you use.
I've tested out using 4000dpi even, it wasn't that hard, just had to use fine finger movements instead of large wrist movements.
It's your opinion and I respect it, but try to play more (and more difficult maps, up to insanes) to see if this is still true.
Lower your DPI as you find it necessary. When it feels like it's too much effort, it's probably counter-productive. You still need to get better at the game at the same time and that requires a reasonably comfortable setting, otherwise you will just grind it out until your hand can move properly at that DPI and only then you will start learning, which is the wrong way to go about it. As your hand/eye coordination gets faster, among other things, the inclination to lower it should come naturally as you strive to improve.Ethelon wrote:
I'm definitely not anywhere near the best, but I play at 3600dpi on the Deathadder (1.0x in osu!). I've read stuff about lower dpi giving you more muscle control but I've had a miserable time whenever I've tried to go lower.
Is it worth it to just grind out new muscle memory at a lower dpi? I know that people play at what's comfortable for them, and you don't necessarily just copy the pros to magically be good, but I think there's a legitimate argument here for increased accuracy where I would otherwise hit a wall in the future.
DPI does not affect spin speed, you just need to be more precise on lower DPI's because you might not be spinning around the center of the screen.TheVileOne wrote:
I use 1800 DPI and 5/11 windows. 1.5x in game.
Is there a setting that allows one to spin better?
It seems that my spins are just locked at a certain speed, and spinning faster seems to lower my SPM. I wonder if it's my settings or something that affects my ability to spin.
yep 7/11, IE3.0 problems ~~ woops actually it's 8/11, that's why the line looks like shitYayMii wrote:
i can tell you're not using 6/11Breiz wrote:
I think he means this
hold your mouse like the left line.. am I good at paint?
wat?B1rd wrote:
I think it's probably best for precision to turn your DPI up high and then just change your Osu! sensitivity. For example, say you like 400 dpi, turn it up to 3200 and change your Osu! sensitivity to 12.5.
It's actually much better to just find the native DPI of your mouse and use that (for example, most 3500/4000dpi mice work best at 800dpi). Mouse sensors aren't perfect, so they're more prone to error when you increase their DPI.B1rd wrote:
I think it's probably best for precision to turn your DPI up high and then just change your Osu! sensitivity. For example, say you like 400 dpi, turn it up to 3200 and change your Osu! sensitivity to 12.5.
He uses Razer driver settings which makes the effective DPI around 1300. But it's not that relevant because Doomsday is a goods stream player, not a good aim player. The majority of good mouse players use a dpi of somewhere near 1000 or under, with the maximum being about 2000.Constantine4 wrote:
Doomsday uses 3150 (+- 50) DPI, whoever says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.
His aim and snapping is perfect.
I use 6/11 windows, 1.0x osu, raw input osu, and 1600 DPI on mouse, I'll probably switch to 2k DPI now.
ahahahahConstantine4 wrote:
Doomsday uses 3150 (+- 50) DPI, whoever says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.
His aim and snapping is perfect.
I use 6/11 windows, 1.0x osu, raw input osu, and 1600 DPI on mouse, I'll probably switch to 2k DPI now.