As a mouse only player, I normally use a $5 mouse at home (yes really $5)
But after trying the game with a gaming mouse at my friend's house I must say what mattered wasn't the dpi, it was the er.. *clickability*
I no longer had to compress my mouse buttons with ten thousand tonnes of pressure to register a click and that really made a difference

oh loving you wrote:

hey, what about mouse acceleration? i heard that turning it off would be good...

It depends. I've always played with it on and when I turned it off, I started doing way worse

Give it some time. I took 2 days to get used to it, things went uphill from there

back when i actually cared about my rank, i used to have my mouse set to 600 dpi and i would adjust my ingame sensitivity by +/- 0.2 depending on the type of map i was playing.

the mouse used doesn't really matter as long as you are comfortable clicking with it often enough, even if you use the keyboard. i found a great way of increasing your accuracy was to play with just the mouse since clicking often shifted the mouse slightly, causing you to aim dead-center instead of at the outer edge. once you get used to that and switch back to the keyboard, your accuracy goes through the roof.

well, at least it did for me.

Ephemeral wrote:

back when i actually cared about my rank, i used to have my mouse set to 600 dpi and i would adjust my ingame sensitivity by +/- 0.2 depending on the type of map i was playing.

the mouse used doesn't really matter as long as you are comfortable clicking with it often enough, even if you use the keyboard. i found a great way of increasing your accuracy was to play with just the mouse since clicking often shifted the mouse slightly, causing you to aim dead-center instead of at the outer edge. once you get used to that and switch back to the keyboard, your accuracy goes through the roof.

well, at least it did for me.

You haven't played much for eons! You should totally try out this game again. It is a good game after all ;p

kriers wrote:

I feel I really don't care about dpi used by top players.

What's actually interesting to me, is the actual sensitivity that players use. For instance, how much do they have to move their mouse to reach each corner of the playfield?

I move less than 1 cm. That being said, I find that changing my dpi down from 4k+ to less than 1000 has a minimal effect. I'm without a doubt better with 4k dpi, but there is likely merit in using a lower dpi. For example, I can't use mouse buttons on 4k dpi because it's impossible to do so without moving the mouse off the cursor. However, spinning is much harder on a low dpi.

emonite wrote:

dudusek wrote:

400dpi ftw!

So slow?How you all play...I really want to see it...

IMO this is far too low. If you can't do a 720 moving from one end of the mousepad to the other, it's not usable. This sort of gameplay also makes the MX518 a shitty mouse since it has pointer acceleration and line snapping. I'm unsure if it happens at 400 dpi, but it definitely does at lower values. That's what makes the intellimouse so good for these sorts of players.

ziin wrote:

I move less than 1 cm. That being said, I find that changing my dpi down from 4k+ to less than 1000 has a minimal effect. I'm without a doubt better with 4k dpi, but there is likely merit in using a lower dpi. For example, I can't use mouse buttons on 4k dpi because it's impossible to do so without moving the mouse off the cursor. However, spinning is much harder on a low dpi.
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I move more than 7 cm, and yeah, I do this because I'm a clicker. Even so, I find spinning with low dpi so much easier thanks to
the extra control I gain.

on high sensitivity, no matter where the circle's center is, you will always be hitting the 4 corners of the screen, which means you can spin as fast as you want, and even move the center of the circle.

It probably is easier to spin in general on a low dpi, but it's easier to spin fast on a high dpi. Recovering after the spin is a different story.

ziin wrote:

on high sensitivity, no matter where the circle's center is, you will always be hitting the 4 corners of the screen, which means you can spin as fast as you want, and even move the center of the circle.

It probably is easier to spin in general on a low dpi, but it's easier to spin fast on a high dpi. Recovering after the spin is a different story.

you can always hit the 4 corners on low sensitivity too... u just have to know "how to play it", low sensitivity is all about wrist. Usually people tend to move the mouse with their arm, so they don't get the full potential of it.

Mesita wrote:

ziin wrote:

on high sensitivity, no matter where the circle's center is, you will always be hitting the 4 corners of the screen, which means you can spin as fast as you want, and even move the center of the circle.

It probably is easier to spin in general on a low dpi, but it's easier to spin fast on a high dpi. Recovering after the spin is a different story.

you can always hit the 4 corners on low sensitivity too... u just have to know "how to play it", low sensitivity is all about wrist. Usually people tend to move the mouse with their arm, so they don't get the full potential of it.

You mean, usually people tend to move the mouse with their fingers, as in a clawed grip?

Higher sensitivity is great for claw grip since the mouse can easily reach every corner of the screen, which is what I think ziin is referring to.
Lower sensitivity allows for, or actually requires, arm movement to fill in the spots that can't be reached with a clawed grip. You can also use a palm grip and mainly use arm/wrist for movement.

In my case I use 100% arm for up and down and about 50% wrist for left and right.

My live experience (LAN tournaments) taught me that most players used palm grip and arm movement... but w/e. I use low sensitivity in FPS games + claw grip and i use my wrist to play :/ no problems so far.

with 9/11 windows settings, you can easily use a clawed grip, even if you use 400/450 dpi ;p
I actually move 3 times more than you lol

I'm nowhere near a top player, but my playing improved drastically after switching to 300-400DPI. It just gives me more control, regardless of which grip I'm using. 800+ just made it really awkward to keep the cursor moving steadily, especially with streams.

kriers wrote:

with 9/11 windows settings, you can easily use a clawed grip, even if you use 400/450 dpi ;p
I actually move 3 times more than you lol

that was osu... i ment FPS gaming. I use 6/11 and very slow sens

Mesita wrote:

you can always hit the 4 corners on low sensitivity too... u just have to know "how to play it", low sensitivity is all about wrist. Usually people tend to move the mouse with their arm, so they don't get the full potential of it.

Low sensitivity is, what, 400 dpi?

on osu, standard resolution is probably 1024x768 right? So to get all 4 corners you need to move at least 2 inches. You're telling me there are people who spin in osu using a 3 inch diameter circle? Pardon me if I am in disbelief. Such a waste of energy.

By the way, I use a palm grip, though I suppose it's similar to a claw grip. I never move my arm, except when spinning, where it's necessary to get that vertical distance. My wrist stays on the mousepad and never moves.

i used to play 1680x1050 fullscreen, 450 dpi, 6/11 windows, no mouse precision. And yeah it is possible to hit all 4 corners that way.

ziin wrote:

on osu, standard resolution is probably 1024x768 right? So to get all 4 corners you need to move at least 2 inches. You're telling me there are people who spin in osu using a 3 inch diameter circle? Pardon me if I am in disbelief. Such a waste of energy.

I just don't get why you're always putting so much focus on energy usage. You talked about not bottoming out keyboard keys for the exact same reason.
If this game is all about being energy efficient, then I really suck at it. At the same time, I'm probably several times faster than high sensitivity mouse users, obviously because I've trained my hand to tolerate my low sensitivity while giving me much better aim.

Players should do their best to challenge their own limits and increase their amount of energy.

ziin wrote:

By the way, I use a palm grip, though I suppose it's similar to a claw grip. I never move my arm, except when spinning, where it's necessary to get that vertical distance. My wrist stays on the mousepad and never moves.

This sort of play style is commonly used, but it's more like a solution for people who can't deal with lower sensitivity. You could ask aevv about this. He'd complain that he couldn't go lower and was stuck at his medium sensitivity.

1000 dpi, 4/11 windows, 1.1x osu, no mouse accel. The best for me

i use 800 dpi (windows 6/11) and 1200 dpi (windows 7/11) for fast spinning on easier maps. if anyone cares... orz
i have a feeling people that use over 4000 dpi aren't finding their dpi amount correctly, sometimes mouse settings just make no sense until you install the silly drivers

I use 1500 dpi with windows on 5/11. Osu on 1.0x, with mouse precision on.
Quite easy for me to do jumps, once I got used to it.
I'm an average player that is able to full combo hard songs easily in a few tries, it takes me awhile to full combo songs on insane (not the crazy ones)

Give it a try.

I use 4/800/1600/2400/3200dpi. 4/800 - Easy | 1600 - Normal | 2400 - Hard | 3200 - Insane/Lunatic |
It's still the same for me

I am awesome and I use 1600dpi, 6/11 windows, 1.0x osu!


lol

MUKKUPOST

So nobody uses high mouse sensitivity? I started playing 2 weeks ago at 4900 DPI. Currently I can pass insane maps and I bumped it up to 5300 DPI because I had trouble with some of the jumps.

At 1.0x in game.

I've been gaming at a high sensitivity for awhile now, but I figured with OSU it would be more common. Also from watching videos of tablet users, the main advantage seems to be speed? They move very small amounts to cover the whole screen. I kind of related high mouse sensitivity to a tablets speed.

I have not been playing long though...

I've gotten so used do default sens that when I turn it up, I always overshoot everything. If you're still getting used to things i guess you can play around with sens settings and stuff though

Floks wrote:

So nobody uses high mouse sensitivity? I started playing 2 weeks ago at 4900 DPI. Currently I can pass insane maps and I bumped it up to 5300 DPI because I had trouble with some of the jumps.

At 1.0x in game.

I've been gaming at a high sensitivity for awhile now, but I figured with OSU it would be more common. Also from watching videos of tablet users, the main advantage seems to be speed? They move very small amounts to cover the whole screen. I kind of related high mouse sensitivity to a tablets speed.

I have not been playing long though...

It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor moves, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.

The majority of professional gamers in Starcraft 2 play at DPI below 1000, but normally not below 400. I have heard that this is a trend in professional gaming in general. As I understand it the top Osu players are usually sub 1000 too.

For many people, myself included, playing with a high DPI initially feels easier than using a low DPI, because your hand is not trained to move quickly, so the long and fast movements confound your muscles, and the high DPI can make you feel like you have more control. However, as your muscles adjust better and your muscle memory starts to learn how to make precise movements you will start to feel how difficult it is to control the cursor when it moves with that little hand movement.

Lastly, using Enhanced Pointer Precision sometimes causes people to use high DPI because their small movements get converted into lower DPI reactions by the Enhanced Pointer Precision acceleration. Turn this off in windows, if you haven't already.

G0r wrote:

It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300.

Are you serious? Feel free to watch my crappy youtube channel, but honestly all it takes is hand control instead of arm control. Link is on my profile.

Edit: And yes, I have mouse acceleration and precision turned off, I've played video games before. I have base level 5300 DPI playing fullscreen at 1440x900.

G0r wrote:

It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor mover, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.

The majority of professional gamers in Starcraft 2 play at DPI below 1000, but normally not below 400. I have heard that this is a trend in professional gaming in general. As I understand it the top Osu players are usually sub 1000 too.

For many people, myself included, playing with a high DPI initially feels easier than using a low DPI, because your hand is not trained to move quickly, so the long and fast movements confound your muscles, and the high DPI can make you feel like you have more control. However, as your muscles adjust better and your muscle memory starts to learn how to make precise movements you will start to feel how difficult it is to control the cursor when it moves with that little hand movement.

Lastly, using Enhanced Pointer Precision sometimes causes people to use high DPI because their small movements get converted into lower DPI reactions by the Enhanced Pointer Precision acceleration. Turn this off in windows, if you haven't already.

I agree with everything here.

Also make sure you never adjust your sensitivity. There's no way you're muscles will ever learn how to use a mouse properly if you keep reseting it's memory. Like, really, the effects of sticking to one dpi are amazing. Just think of being able to accuractely snap your cursor at any point on your screen without even having to think about it. That's what you get for sticking to the same dpi and play lots of osu! for over a year!

kriers wrote:

G0r wrote:

It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor mover, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.

The majority of professional gamers in Starcraft 2 play at DPI below 1000, but normally not below 400. I have heard that this is a trend in professional gaming in general. As I understand it the top Osu players are usually sub 1000 too.

For many people, myself included, playing with a high DPI initially feels easier than using a low DPI, because your hand is not trained to move quickly, so the long and fast movements confound your muscles, and the high DPI can make you feel like you have more control. However, as your muscles adjust better and your muscle memory starts to learn how to make precise movements you will start to feel how difficult it is to control the cursor when it moves with that little hand movement.

Lastly, using Enhanced Pointer Precision sometimes causes people to use high DPI because their small movements get converted into lower DPI reactions by the Enhanced Pointer Precision acceleration. Turn this off in windows, if you haven't already.

I agree with everything here.

Also make sure you never adjust your sensitivity. There's no way you're muscles will ever learn how to use a mouse properly if you keep reseting it's memory. Like, really, the effects of sticking to one dpi are amazing. Just think of being able to accuractely snap your cursor at any point on your screen without even having to think about it. That's what you get for sticking to the same dpi and play lots of osu! for over a year!

Until something goes terribly wrong, and you lose all your mouseskills over one day.

G0r wrote:

Floks wrote:

So nobody uses high mouse sensitivity? I started playing 2 weeks ago at 4900 DPI. Currently I can pass insane maps and I bumped it up to 5300 DPI because I had trouble with some of the jumps.

At 1.0x in game.

I've been gaming at a high sensitivity for awhile now, but I figured with OSU it would be more common. Also from watching videos of tablet users, the main advantage seems to be speed? They move very small amounts to cover the whole screen. I kind of related high mouse sensitivity to a tablets speed.

I have not been playing long though...

It is flat out impossible to play accurately at an incredibly high DPI like 5300. Any small motion would send your cursor flying. The slower the cursor moves, the more hand and arm movement is needed, and this means more ability to control your muscles and move with accuracy and precision. Larger motions will always be easier to handle for a human being than small motions. Just try writing in very small letters vs. very large letters. High speed of movement is nice, but the problem is that people can't easily control very fast moving things. A machine, however, might be able to be accurate at a DPI of 5300, and probably outplay a human, since it would have the advantage of a faster cursor.

The majority of professional gamers in Starcraft 2 play at DPI below 1000, but normally not below 400. I have heard that this is a trend in professional gaming in general. As I understand it the top Osu players are usually sub 1000 too.

For many people, myself included, playing with a high DPI initially feels easier than using a low DPI, because your hand is not trained to move quickly, so the long and fast movements confound your muscles, and the high DPI can make you feel like you have more control. However, as your muscles adjust better and your muscle memory starts to learn how to make precise movements you will start to feel how difficult it is to control the cursor when it moves with that little hand movement.

Lastly, using Enhanced Pointer Precision sometimes causes people to use high DPI because their small movements get converted into lower DPI reactions by the Enhanced Pointer Precision acceleration. Turn this off in windows, if you haven't already.

what makes you think that? a vast amount of players use razer abyssus or the deathadder, which are mice that can reach up to 3500 dpi.
panning around using 1920x1080 resolution with that kind of dpi is really difficult and is just not worth it

for rts games high dpi = better but for rhythm game, like osu, lower dpi = better. i prefer playing osu with 450 dpi and find it funner, while i use 1800 dpi for sc2 since its more optimal

but i agree with the rest of your post

The argument for sc2 isn't the key issue here, he's just using an example. It's a fact in first person shooters as well that a majority of the best players use extremely low sensitivities. In a game such as quake 3 defrag also, there's a different scale for what's considered low, but the best players still use a "relatively" low sensitivity by comparison. Low is better and always will be, and there is always an exception to the rule, every time, but don't follow exceptions.

Edit: Regarding "energy wastage" I do not see this as a limiting factor at all, we don't burn enough energy playing computer games to even exhaust anything but the muscles we're using, and this is muscle stamina, not energy. Stamina can only be built up by actually exerting yourself, and your stamina will always improve up until the point that you don't need any more stamina. If you never exert yourself you never build stamina, simple. This is why high sensitivity players find low sensitivities "not optimal" because they don't have the stamina. eg. arms get tired, shoulder stiffness, muscle spasms... all stamina related, not energy related.

1350dpi * 1.0 osu * 7/11 windows * 1024x768 windowed

Currently at insane level, still getting better everyday.
I chose this sensitivity very early on and I've always found it to be the only sensitivity that fits me.
though I never tried going under 800...

excellions wrote:

what makes you think that? a vast amount of players use razer abyssus or the deathadder, which are mice that can reach up to 3500 dpi.
panning around using 1920x1080 resolution with that kind of dpi is really difficult and is just not worth it

for rts games high dpi = better but for rhythm game, like osu, lower dpi = better. i prefer playing osu with 450 dpi and find it funner, while i use 1800 dpi for sc2 since its more optimal

but i agree with the rest of your post

While it is true that in SC2 there are players who use DPIs up to 1600, I have personally questioned top level players, and have been told that they use DPIs in the range that I described. Remember, SC2 players come from a background of SC:BW in many cases, and are used to very low resolutions with low DPI settings to get maximum precision from their movements. Also, the benefit of precise movement in an RTS game is just as important as in Osu!, which is why players like Day[9] have publicly said that they use low DPI, and have suggested using hotkeys to compensate for having slower movement speed across the higher resolution screen in SC2, because high DPI is only good for giving you better snap scrolling abilities, which is why some beginning players favor it when they are beginning to practice and get good.

Ranefire is correct, though. Low DPI in SC2 is not necessarily the same as low DPI in Osu! or a shooting game. It's all about what gives you the best control, though, and the best control comes from the lowest usable DPI without sacrificing movement capability.

Also, the DPI capability of a mouse does not really tell you what DPI the player will use. I use a Deathadder, and I use only 800 DPI, despite the ability of the mouse to reach 3500. The reason I use a Deathadder is that it has superior tracking vs. a cheap mouse with 800 DPI, and the difference is very clear to me when I compare it to such a mouse. I also originally wanted the ability to adjust my DPI to find the perfect setting for me. It just so happened to be 800.

I can't argue that 1600 DPI may be optimal for you when playing SC2, but then I don't know what level you play at, and I don't know how you play. For many pros, however, this is higher than they are willing to go. Not all, though. It's certainly within acceptable range for playing the game. Personally I would never confuse my muscle memory by switching DPI between applications. That's just my methodology.

Ugh, I need a new mouse.

When playing at 400 DPI, the mouse steadily drifts down I'm assuming because of the mouse acceleration.

I may just go back to 1600 DPI because the acceleration is negligible then.

What do you mean by acceleration here, Ziin?

I believe he means hardware acceleration
Read: the kind you can't turn off (eg. Steelseries Kinzu)

ziin wrote:

Ugh, I need a new mouse.

When playing at 400 DPI, the mouse steadily drifts down I'm assuming because of the mouse acceleration.

I may just go back to 1600 DPI because the acceleration is negligible then.

You also need to consider that you are used to a high DPI. By this I mean the general function of a mouse, when you draw a straight line with a mouse, your hand moves in an arc shape, not a straight line. In gameplay it's a much more complex combination of hand movements. It took quite a while to subconsciously fix the way my hand wanted to arc to the left more as I played, causing my cursor to drift to the bottom left. I tilted my mouse slightly to the right about 5 degrees, and the reverse happened, it drifted to the bottom right.

RaneFire wrote:

ziin wrote:

Ugh, I need a new mouse.

When playing at 400 DPI, the mouse steadily drifts down I'm assuming because of the mouse acceleration.

I may just go back to 1600 DPI because the acceleration is negligible then.

You also need to consider that you are used to a high DPI. By this I mean the general function of a mouse, when you draw a straight line with a mouse, your hand moves in an arc shape, not a straight line. In gameplay it's a much more complex combination of hand movements. It took quite a while to subconsciously fix the way my hand wanted to arc to the left more as I played, causing my cursor to go to the bottom left. I tilted my mouse slightly to the right about 5 degrees, and the reverse happened, it went to the bottom right.

I realized recently that I'm not moving as much as I did before. It's mostly thanks to balancing the use of wrist and arm in both directions. If I were to use my wrist unevenly, I'd end up hugging my kb or stretching my arm out 45 degrees.

I used to notice an odd drift with my mouse at high DPIs. Back when I was still testing different settings I was using a really high DPI (I think it was around 1300-1600), and I noticed that when I would move the mouse quickly, such as while doing a spinner, it would actually have a small drift in tracking to the left. It was very strange. I would start out with the mouse on the center of my pad, but after two or three spinners it would be just about on the edge of the pad on the left. I really couldn't explain it except that the tracking must be faulty when the DPI is set high. The movements probably just don't get picked up very well when the speed picks up. At lower DPI (800), I have not noticed this problem, however. It might just be because any drift is too small to really feel until much movement has been expended.

G0r wrote:

excellions wrote:

what makes you think that? a vast amount of players use razer abyssus or the deathadder, which are mice that can reach up to 3500 dpi.
panning around using 1920x1080 resolution with that kind of dpi is really difficult and is just not worth it

for rts games high dpi = better but for rhythm game, like osu, lower dpi = better. i prefer playing osu with 450 dpi and find it funner, while i use 1800 dpi for sc2 since its more optimal

but i agree with the rest of your post

While it is true that in SC2 there are players who use DPIs up to 1600, I have personally questioned top level players, and have been told that they use DPIs in the range that I described. Remember, SC2 players come from a background of SC:BW in many cases, and are used to very low resolutions with low DPI settings to get maximum precision from their movements. Also, the benefit of precise movement in an RTS game is just as important as in Osu!, which is why players like Day[9] have publicly said that they use low DPI, and have suggested using hotkeys to compensate for having slower movement speed across the higher resolution screen in SC2, because high DPI is only good for giving you better snap scrolling abilities, which is why some beginning players favor it when they are beginning to practice and get good.

Ranefire is correct, though. Low DPI in SC2 is not necessarily the same as low DPI in Osu! or a shooting game. It's all about what gives you the best control, though, and the best control comes from the lowest usable DPI without sacrificing movement capability.

Also, the DPI capability of a mouse does not really tell you what DPI the player will use. I use a Deathadder, and I use only 800 DPI, despite the ability of the mouse to reach 3500. The reason I use a Deathadder is that it has superior tracking vs. a cheap mouse with 800 DPI, and the difference is very clear to me when I compare it to such a mouse. I also originally wanted the ability to adjust my DPI to find the perfect setting for me. It just so happened to be 800.

I can't argue that 1600 DPI may be optimal for you when playing SC2, but then I don't know what level you play at, and I don't know how you play. For many pros, however, this is higher than they are willing to go. Not all, though. It's certainly within acceptable range for playing the game. Personally I would never confuse my muscle memory by switching DPI between applications. That's just my methodology.

Day9 isn't the perfect example for low DPI preference, since he was only a competitive player in BW, but of course there are many pro who have played bw+sc2 that can vouch for using low DPI.
If day9 were to be a player in SC2 it might be a different story regarding DPI preference. When a player switches to a higher resolution, he can still change to a different DPI. It doesn't take very long to adjust, though it is likely that the player would prefer staying with the settings used up until then.

I play by using mostly the minimap + hotkeys and still prefer 1800 DPI. As for the level I play at, I play at masters level(sc2ranks). One of the main reasons I can't use lower than 800 DPI is because I'd have to change my grip to use it in either game. I hold the mouse somewhat loosely and can't really do that if I have to move my whole hand around, I guess it's just a matter of preference(I've always been a high DPI user). Because of this, I sacrifice some precision, but it isn't game-breaking unless I use like 5000DPI.

Of course it's bad to switch between DPIs and would mess with muscle memory, I play one game more than the other. Though it's fun as hell to play osu with 450 dpi.

At the 5700 dpi

limneosgreen wrote:

i use 1600dpi for osu, lol

Me too!!!

I play 400 dpi with mouse acceleration. Works best for me.

That awkward moment when you realize that switching to a smaller resolution changes the aspect ratio from 16/10 to 4/3...

Then I remembered I can set my mouses x and y axis to different DPI. So now I play at 4000x and 4800y at 640x480 resolution. Loving it so far. Of course I need to remember to change it back for things other than OSU XD

i am confused. i read here that the most of u players play under 1000 dpi. WTF?
sorry, but i cant understand how u can aim on some hard or insane songs. i play on 7/11 on windows, 2x on osu, and 7000 dpi on my mouse D:
is smth wrong with me??

how do you aim with that sensitivity?

And I thought I was crazy

Utar wrote:

i am confused. i read here that the most of u players play under 1000 dpi. WTF?
sorry, but i cant understand how u can aim on some hard or insane songs. i play on 7/11 on windows, 2x on osu, and 7000 dpi on my mouse D:
is smth wrong with me??

i can't understand how you aim with those settings
if you add the windows and osu multipliers together, you're using the equivalent to 21000 dpi
what even

serious answer: having a lower DPI means circles will cover more physical area, allowing for more accuracy/less room for error.

wtf dude
I tried with 19200 dpi (3200 + osu! x4 + 7/11(assuming 7/11 means x1.5)) and it's totally impossible to aim correctly, it skips like 20 pixels with the tiniest movement I can do
How can you even play with those settings ._.

To think that I even already had difficulties playing with 3,500dpi (my bro's Razer Abyssus) and 0.8× osu! mouse speed... <.<;;

Play Count: 1,033

also having 4x sensitivity in osu settings itself would cause you to skip pixels

GoldenWolf wrote:

wtf dude
I tried with 19200 dpi (3200 + osu! x4 + 7/11(assuming 7/11 means x1.5)) and it's totally impossible to aim correctly, it skips like 20 pixels with the tiniest movement I can do
How can you even play with those settings ._.

software multipliers make the cursor skip pixels, your osu 4.0x is going to skip more than his 2.0x even if his mouse still moves faster.

I'm playing with 7/11 and 3600 dpi... FOR THE WHOLE TIME (31k playcount hi)

45600cpi master race

all pros should use this

I'm not pro but I play 3500DPI osux2 and setting in window 11/11

Problem with such using such high sensitivity is that you put too much restraints in your hand to maintain your cursor precision, and after some time it can really wear you off and increasing the odds of missing. Another problem is that patterns with low DS suddenly becomes like 10 times harder, anyways, this comes from someone who used to use 2000 dpi, osu! sensitivity of 1,8x and windows 6/11, and been using since January 900 dpi, osu! sensitivity 1,0x windows 6/11 and now my aim is steady long enough for me to fc some hard maps.

I'm nowhere near top level, but I use an old HP 5 button web mouse http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HP-Optical-5-Button-USB-Mouse-800dpi-White-/331032357133

even odder, i use acceleration from windows settings



I'm scared for my mouse to break, I'm gonna face a skill drop. I also click, I don't use the keyboard. I'm 13k though so meh, I'm not that bad of a player.

I also play 1680x1050 resolution

Not a great player but I used 5600 dpi with 1.0x osu.

I'm the best player out there and I use 400 dpi/1024x768 playfield

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I'm the best player out there and I use 400 dpi/1024x768 playfield

All hail the best player !!!

Mine:

I'm ok with any sens that's between 750-900dpi; 1000dpi is pushing it a little. (1024x768 windowed)

Mouse: Logitech G9X
Windows Sensitivty: Maxed with Acceleration/precision on
DPI:1700
Osu!:1.0x (with precision on)
Maxed Sensitivity and Acceleration in the Logitech program

started with 1600 dpi
then i kept going down and now im at 700

i think the question:mouse dpi used by top level players? - is not correct!

Correct is:(interrelated things)
1) resolution (1440, 1024 or another, full screen, windowed)
2) mousepad (speed mousepad or precision mousepad, plastic or cloth)
3) dpi of mouse + ( osu sens, windows sens, accel, polling rate)
4) playstyle: mouse+keyb or mouseonly: mouse+keyb style players have DPI less then for mouse only

Using high mouse dpi to play well??? don't kidding with me...
i'm maybe not a top player but i have a lot of experience with mouse.

I got a trick for all mouse players here :
1)use fullscreen with same resolution as your computer resolution (it will reduce lags for low-end pc)
2)don't use mouse with high dpi because you can't control it on spinner ( Recommending using 800dpi or below)
3)Buy a mouse that fit with well with your hand (Not too big and not too small)
4)buy a little expensive mouse pad too (really great if you want to make a great spin)
5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)
6)DON'T EVEN OR EVER TENSE YOUR HAND THAT HOLDING THE MOUSE WHILE PLAYING (That's gonna make your hand really tired and moving not right in order)
7)Disable mouse precision
8)Don't even try playing on netbook (because it will make a very tiny score of spin and has much lags)

that's it... hope that was usefull.you can copy and paste this information everywhere.of course include my name there.

My mouse : A4TECH X7-F2 950dpi
My mouse pad : E-Blue Cobra Size M
My Windows Speed : 6/11
My osu speed! : x1.05
My Resolution : 1024x640 (Fullscreen.I'm a netbook user I hope i get a new laptop sooner)
My playstyle : Mouse and keyboard

harizcoolboy wrote:

Using high mouse dpi to play well??? don't kidding with me...
i'm maybe not a top player but i have a lot of experience with mouse.

I got a trick for all mouse players here :
1)use fullscreen with same resolution as your computer resolution (it will reduce lags for low-end pc)
2)don't use mouse with high dpi because you can't control it on spinner ( Recommending using 800dpi or below)
3)Buy a mouse that fit with well with your hand (Not too big and not too small)
4)buy a little expensive mouse pad too (really great if you want to make a great spin)
5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)
6)DON'T EVEN OR EVER TENSE YOUR HAND THAT HOLDING THE MOUSE WHILE PLAYING (That's gonna make your hand really tired and moving not right in order)
7)Disable mouse precision
8)Don't even try playing on netbook (because it will make a very tiny score of spin and has much lags)

that's it... hope that was usefull.you can copy and paste this information everywhere.of course include my name there.

My mouse : A4TECH X7-F2 950dpi
My mouse pad : E-Blue Cobra Size M
My Windows Speed : 6/11
My osu speed! : x1.05
My Resolution : 1024x640 (Fullscreen.I'm a netbook user I hope i get a new laptop sooner)
My playstyle : Mouse and keyboard

No wonder you aren't a top player.

buny wrote:

harizcoolboy wrote:

Using high mouse dpi to play well??? don't kidding with me...
i'm maybe not a top player but i have a lot of experience with mouse.

I got a trick for all mouse players here :
1)use fullscreen with same resolution as your computer resolution (it will reduce lags for low-end pc)
2)don't use mouse with high dpi because you can't control it on spinner ( Recommending using 800dpi or below)
3)Buy a mouse that fit with well with your hand (Not too big and not too small)
4)buy a little expensive mouse pad too (really great if you want to make a great spin)
5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)
6)DON'T EVEN OR EVER TENSE YOUR HAND THAT HOLDING THE MOUSE WHILE PLAYING (That's gonna make your hand really tired and moving not right in order)
7)Disable mouse precision
8)Don't even try playing on netbook (because it will make a very tiny score of spin and has much lags)

that's it... hope that was usefull.you can copy and paste this information everywhere.of course include my name there.

My mouse : A4TECH X7-F2 950dpi
My mouse pad : E-Blue Cobra Size M
My Windows Speed : 6/11
My osu speed! : x1.05
My Resolution : 1024x640 (Fullscreen.I'm a netbook user I hope i get a new laptop sooner)
My playstyle : Mouse and keyboard

No wonder you aren't a top player.

Exactly what I was thinking when I read this lol

I use 2000dpi on a Razer Deathadder, Windows 6/11 and Osu! 1.0x. I actually increased the sensitivity a while ago because it was it was awkward moving the mouse so much when I like to have my wrist planted on the mousepad.

I don't really think any sensitivity is worse than any others, it's just about preference; how you hold the mouse/what muscles you use.

I've tested out using 4000dpi even, it wasn't that hard, just had to use fine finger movements instead of large wrist movements.

B1rd wrote:

I don't really think any sensitivity is worse than any others, it's just about preference; how you hold the mouse/what muscles you use.

I've tested out using 4000dpi even, it wasn't that hard, just had to use fine finger movements instead of large wrist movements.

Play Count: 234

It's your opinion and I respect it, but try to play more (and more difficult maps, up to insanes) to see if this is still true.

I wouldn't really consider myself a 'top' player but here's my input anyway.

I've been using a mouse since I started and I have gone from 2000 dpi to 1000.
If my mouse didn't have odd dpi steps, I'd probably be playing on 800 or so dpi.
I know I can change my sensitivity on osu, but I prefer that my sensitivity is the same for all of the things I use my mouse for.

Also, it's quite odd but I used 2000 dpi at 1440x900 and now I use 1000 dpi at 1920x1080 fullscreen.

From what I can gather, a lower dpi is better generally as it allows for muscle memory to develop (without mouse accel. of course).

5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)

what does this even mean

sarasseo wrote:

5)when grabbing mouse,move it little way diagonally to left(works great for jumps and spinnings)

what does this even mean

I think he means this

hold your mouse like the left line.. am I good at paint?

Breiz wrote:

I think he means this

hold your mouse like the left line.. am I good at paint?

i can tell you're not using 6/11

I'm definitely not anywhere near the best, but I play at 3600dpi on the Deathadder (1.0x in osu!). I've read stuff about lower dpi giving you more muscle control but I've had a miserable time whenever I've tried to go lower.

Is it worth it to just grind out new muscle memory at a lower dpi? I know that people play at what's comfortable for them, and you don't necessarily just copy the pros to magically be good, but I think there's a legitimate argument here for increased accuracy where I would otherwise hit a wall in the future.

Ethelon wrote:

I'm definitely not anywhere near the best, but I play at 3600dpi on the Deathadder (1.0x in osu!). I've read stuff about lower dpi giving you more muscle control but I've had a miserable time whenever I've tried to go lower.

Is it worth it to just grind out new muscle memory at a lower dpi? I know that people play at what's comfortable for them, and you don't necessarily just copy the pros to magically be good, but I think there's a legitimate argument here for increased accuracy where I would otherwise hit a wall in the future.

Yes, it is worth it. You can either lower your dpi slowly, maybe 100 or 200 dpi a day, or just drop completely to a low dpi such as 800 (that is really a medium dpi but it's nice).

Most mouse players play between 450-1600 dpi from what I've seen and heard. Personally playing on 1100 right now.

GoldenWolf wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I don't really think any sensitivity is worse than any others, it's just about preference; how you hold the mouse/what muscles you use.

I've tested out using 4000dpi even, it wasn't that hard, just had to use fine finger movements instead of large wrist movements.

Play Count: 234

It's your opinion and I respect it, but try to play more (and more difficult maps, up to insanes) to see if this is still true.

It shouldn't take that much investigation to realise that I've played a lot offline, I don't have an internet connection at my unit yet.

Currently I can complete some easier insane songs, and last a little while through the harder AR9 ones.

Doomsday uses around 2k, Soly uses 1.8k. Seriously, just use what is comfortable. Mouse takes a lot of work to get good with, more so than tablet.

Jappybabes too, he uses 1800.

If you want to successfully aim - 400DPI with 1.0x sensitivity

Ethelon wrote:

I'm definitely not anywhere near the best, but I play at 3600dpi on the Deathadder (1.0x in osu!). I've read stuff about lower dpi giving you more muscle control but I've had a miserable time whenever I've tried to go lower.

Is it worth it to just grind out new muscle memory at a lower dpi? I know that people play at what's comfortable for them, and you don't necessarily just copy the pros to magically be good, but I think there's a legitimate argument here for increased accuracy where I would otherwise hit a wall in the future.

Lower your DPI as you find it necessary. When it feels like it's too much effort, it's probably counter-productive. You still need to get better at the game at the same time and that requires a reasonably comfortable setting, otherwise you will just grind it out until your hand can move properly at that DPI and only then you will start learning, which is the wrong way to go about it. As your hand/eye coordination gets faster, among other things, the inclination to lower it should come naturally as you strive to improve.

People promote 400 DPI like it's the be-all and end-all, because that's the MS mice default setting and lowest DPI step of the Logitech MX500 to G400s series of mice, which a lot of god players have used, but that doesn't mean you have to play on it. You could easily say 300 is better, but then it becomes subjective. It's a matter of what you can play better on, and what you can't. The only way to find out is to actively try and improve your aim, and you will see where the problems lie, instead of blindly changing your DPI.

I use 1800 DPI and 5/11 windows. 1.5x in game.

Is there a setting that allows one to spin better?

It seems that my spins are just locked at a certain speed, and spinning faster seems to lower my SPM. I wonder if it's my settings or something that affects my ability to spin.

TheVileOne wrote:

I use 1800 DPI and 5/11 windows. 1.5x in game.

Is there a setting that allows one to spin better?

It seems that my spins are just locked at a certain speed, and spinning faster seems to lower my SPM. I wonder if it's my settings or something that affects my ability to spin.

DPI does not affect spin speed, you just need to be more precise on lower DPI's because you might not be spinning around the center of the screen.

YayMii wrote:

Breiz wrote:

I think he means this

hold your mouse like the left line.. am I good at paint?

i can tell you're not using 6/11

yep 7/11, IE3.0 problems ~~ woops actually it's 8/11, that's why the line looks like shit

Also, TVO, why are you messing around with your windows & osu! settings? I mean instead of just adjusting one.

I think it's probably best for precision to turn your DPI up high and then just change your Osu! sensitivity. For example, say you like 400 dpi, turn it up to 3200 and change your Osu! sensitivity to 12.5.

B1rd wrote:

I think it's probably best for precision to turn your DPI up high and then just change your Osu! sensitivity. For example, say you like 400 dpi, turn it up to 3200 and change your Osu! sensitivity to 12.5.

wat?

edit - oh, you meant .125. I think it's better to keep your mouse dpi as close to your desired dpi as possible.

B1rd wrote:

I think it's probably best for precision to turn your DPI up high and then just change your Osu! sensitivity. For example, say you like 400 dpi, turn it up to 3200 and change your Osu! sensitivity to 12.5.

It's actually much better to just find the native DPI of your mouse and use that (for example, most 3500/4000dpi mice work best at 800dpi). Mouse sensors aren't perfect, so they're more prone to error when you increase their DPI.
Also, software-based interpolation will limit the amount of information interpreted from the mouse, so it's not necessarily the best solution. Using your example: if you're using software to divide the DPI by 8, you're also effectively dividing your polling rate by 8.

i use 3250 with my heavy mouse

(g502s with all the weight)
(5 weights of 3g each)

Doomsday uses 3150 (+- 50) DPI, whoever says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.

His aim and snapping is perfect.

I use 6/11 windows, 1.0x osu, raw input osu, and 1600 DPI on mouse, I'll probably switch to 2k DPI now.

Constantine4 wrote:

Doomsday uses 3150 (+- 50) DPI, whoever says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.

His aim and snapping is perfect.

I use 6/11 windows, 1.0x osu, raw input osu, and 1600 DPI on mouse, I'll probably switch to 2k DPI now.

He uses Razer driver settings which makes the effective DPI around 1300. But it's not that relevant because Doomsday is a goods stream player, not a good aim player. The majority of good mouse players use a dpi of somewhere near 1000 or under, with the maximum being about 2000.

Constantine4 wrote:

Doomsday uses 3150 (+- 50) DPI, whoever says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.

His aim and snapping is perfect.

I use 6/11 windows, 1.0x osu, raw input osu, and 1600 DPI on mouse, I'll probably switch to 2k DPI now.

ahahahah

cookezie usedt 600 dpei

Why is that there are still people thinking that DPI is the only thing that matters?

http://jsfiddle.net/an789d4s/embedded/result/

The thing that matters is the actual sensitivity with all main factors included, in this case the play area (cm) figure is the best option. (the easiest way is to just take the first number)

For comparison, mine is 6.5cm

cptnXn is 7.2

FunOrange is 4.3

o gm funonorange taht guy who fcd blue dragon[guy who maket gay pony map O.O]s Airman witth hiden?

　

3.4798000000000004cm x 2.6162cm is this big? O_o

my rzer mous he has 16k dpi and cna jump air man ez no fail get fucked u ppl who dont hav rszezer mouse

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

3.4798000000000004cm x 2.6162cm is this big? O_o

Nearly twice as fast as mine, but acceptable. Mind that me and cptnXn are low sens players.

Doomsday is about 2.2cm so there is nothing wrong.

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

3.4798000000000004cm x 2.6162cm is this big? O_o

Nearly twice as fast as mine, but acceptable. Mind that me and cptnXn are low sens players.

Doomsday is about 2.2cm so there is nothing wrong.

Hi,
I started playing osu three years ago but never really bothered to visit the forums until now, im looking to get better at the game, so i was searching for some advice for mouse sensitivity etc.
I used your fiddle and it told me i have a playearea of 0.254cm x 0.20320000000000002cm (5670 DPI, x1.4 in Osu using Raw Input).
I wonder if it is that unusual to use such a high DPI and if I should set it lower?

SkilledSchnipa wrote:

Hi,
I started playing osu three years ago but never really bothered to visit the forums until now, im looking to get better at the game, so i was searching for some advice for mouse sensitivity etc.
I used your fiddle and it told me i have a playearea of 0.254cm x 0.20320000000000002cm (5670 DPI, x1.4 in Osu using Raw Input).
I wonder if it is that unusual to use such a high DPI and if I should set it lower?

It is pretty high and probably will impair your ability to move cursor accurately on circles, especially when dealing with cs5-10. You would probably get a lot out by trying out 400 - 2000 dpi and 1x osu sens and settling for a much lower sensitivity.