Everything should be fixed <_<

Thailand btw lost by default because of their inability to attend the match. They have announced their inavailability inbefore.

Wow, that sucks.

Loctav wrote:

Thailand btw lost by default because of their inability to attend the match. They have announced their inavailability inbefore.

Wow, I was hoping to gauge their skills by watching the match.

Mappool 1-2 added.

Hatsune Miku - Romeo and Cinderella (Nekoo[]) [31's Taiko]
↑was used at 2010 TWC too
XD

-> Hatsune Miku - Unhappy Refrain (NatsumeRin) [Climbb's Taiko Oni]
... we meet again...

GG US A IS DONE FOR

Nice Maps ^.^

together i stand and fall

To Vallhalla!

Statistics for Round 1-1 are done. Check them out !

Link of Rotterdam Cirno has been changed (due to unrankable overtaking note). Please use the new version. Package will be updated in a few minutes.

A little annunciation from me:

We are still accepting map suggestions! So feel free to send a PM to MMzz or OnosakiHito with your suggestions.
Currently we are searching for following levels:

Easy maps with a level of 6*~7* Example: Silver Forest - Prayer (Elly-chan) [MM's Taiko Oni]
and Hard maps about 10*~XX* Example: Taikosaki, Firce, etc.

Please keep in mind that we are searching for maps with good quality and which follow the Taiko Ranking Criterias - if they don't, they might get edited and end up as an (TWC ver.).

Does anyone know when video of the first round's matches will be uploaded?

~Edit
Apologized for overreacting to a stupid scenario.

I kind of wish that Snow Goose was HR instead of HD. That one is going to be a pain orz

HashishKabob wrote:

On a side note, the ACTUAL reason I came here, does anyone know when video of the first round's matches will be uploaded?

They are all on twitch.tv, just not named properly yet.

edited last post due to my own misunderstanding.

R1-2 map pool doesn't really make much sense, difficulty of some songs in this round are easier than R1-1... whereas hardest picks are mod picks when they'd compete for hardest pick even without mods.

Oh well, guess I'll just drill snow goose until I can SS HD it <.<

Tasha wrote:

R1-2 map pool doesn't really make much sense, difficulty of some songs in this round are easier than R1-1... whereas hardest picks are mod picks when they'd compete for hardest pick even without mods.

Oh well, guess I'll just drill snow goose until I can SS HD it <.<

Well, at least I think the R1-2 mappool has more balanced diffs available for no mode
Imo some maps like unhappy refrain and meme are actually harder than those in 1-1
While maps like prayer are slower and easier, which is what R1-1 lacked
But I somehow agree that mod picks, esp snow goose are generally harder picks in the mappool
Maybe snow goose is a bit too hard when compared with other maps ?

1st Place: ...and a T-Shirt with a Taiko World Cup logo printed on for each player (both designed by Lolicore Flandre and Loctav).

Omg, I WANT that T-Shirt D:

When are we going to see our schedule ? I'd like to see it as earlier as possible :>

Nashmun wrote:

When are we going to see our schedule ? I'd like to see it as earlier as possible :>

same here...

GW 1 for ph... the statistic got wrong xD

Still waiting for the match schedule..
Don't worry, take your time. It's not like I have any other plans on the weekend.

Tasha wrote:

R1-2 map pool doesn't really make much sense, difficulty of some songs in this round are easier than R1-1... whereas hardest picks are mod picks when they'd compete for hardest pick even without mods.

Oh well, guess I'll just drill snow goose until I can SS HD it <.<

It was intension because people were complaining about the hardness of difficulties.
Actually we were even suprised how some matches went out. Standards seems to be this year a bit lower.

So the idea came out to have one easier and one harder map in every mod-section.
E.g.: DT - Both songs 130BPM but different level.
NoMod has a bigger spread to give people a bigger choice.

We are endeavored to keep it enjoyable.

Sorry for the tardiness, I've been quite busy as of late.

The schedule is now updated. Please look for your match and make sure that you can attend. Many teams (regardless of if they sent in their times) had to be force scheduled into a different time and/or date because of the upcoming Chinese New Year holiday. I apologize for this inconvenience and for the messy schedule this week.

If any problems are seen, report them to me (or Haruka if I'm not available) so they can be fixed as soon as possible. I can't stay on much longer so the best I can do with confirmation messages is link you here, the OP and/or the schedule itself.

As for staff, your schedules are now updated. Please take a look through your times and see which matches you can attend. Cross out any times in which you cannot make or contact me so I can do it for you (if you know of the other staff members who have access, do talk to them if I'm not around).

Dear tournament staff, i need an advice.
as you may know, last week one of our memmbers refused to join a game just before the tournament begun, and he haven't shownt up yet. That... irresponsible... person has deleted his page in "local" sns and doesn't answer the phone.
What should we do, as a team, if he won't show up until the next game?

p.s. about scedule: our team can't attend on Saturday at 22:00 utc. it's too late for all of us :C

@^ please contact Loctav in PM

for schedule issues, contact Xakyrie.

Nice n.n

@Acrith

In case if it's needed:

Korea vs Hong Kong B: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6088028

Spain vs China B: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6088973

Hong Kong A vs Poland: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6090831

Taiwan B vs Germany A: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6092029

OnosakiHito wrote:

In case if it's needed:

Korea vs Hong Kong B: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6088028

Spain vs China B: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6088973

Hong Kong A vs Poland: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6090831

Taiwan B vs Germany A: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6092029

So, there were "best of 9" games?

totoco wrote:

OnosakiHito wrote:

In case if it's needed:

Korea vs Hong Kong B: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6088028

Spain vs China B: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6088973

Hong Kong A vs Poland: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6090831

Taiwan B vs Germany A: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6092029

So, there were "best of 9" games?

Best of 9? This just keeps getting better
jk, I'm pretty sure the first map is the warm-up map

Yeah, the first maps were just warm-up maps.

GG Macau. That was a close game.

It is a nice game, Russia team has very good performance
Congratulations!

So, I'll send some mp links now from matches I refereed today to!

1. Argentina vs Indonesia - https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6097476 - Indonesia wins 4-2
2. Canada A vs United States A - https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6098717 - Canada wins 4-1
3. Russia vs Macau - https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6104659 - Russia wins 4-0
4. France vs El Salvador-Venezuela - https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6105479 - France wins 4-0
5. Ukraine vs Denmark-Norway - https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6107602 - Denmark-Norway wins 4-0
6. Germany B vs Italy-Netherlands - https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6108165 - Germany B wins 4-3
7. Finland vs Chile A - https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/6109148 - Finland wins 4-1

Wanted to make a little surprise for the Denmark/Norway team, to boos our... "morale".. but, it looks like i'll gave it later :C
couldn't do it in time even with LZD's help :C

I hope the maps will be harder than 1-2. Also DT 12 Girls band is brutal compared to other picks, lol.

Big and Busty wrote:

I hope the maps will be harder than 1-2. Also DT 12 Girls band is brutal compared to other picks, lol.

Agreed

Also, Denmark/Norway, it was a nice game, even if it was as Mr Color said: "One-sided battle". It's not a shame to lose to a stronger oponent, i think (but not hikkiko, lol). So, GG, guys!

Great match Chile A !!

I'm glad we were able to play regardless of the delays and troubles :3

P.S. So close on so many rounds ;w;

I feel kinda shameful for my match, i got nervous and started trembling during gameplay, random missing easy patterns and inverting here and there (in pangko i lagged on the first miss, but i don't think it would have changed anything); then on the middle of AugoEidEs my right arm started pulsating and it was friggin hard and painful to clear that map....

By the way gg Ger B, sorry also for me leaving without saying kinda anything but i was pissed off both from my performance than from the pain.

NeoRainier wrote:

I feel kinda shameful for my match, i got nervous and started trembling during gameplay, random missing easy patterns and inverting here and there (in pangko i lagged on the first miss, but i don't think it would have changed anything); then on the middle of AugoEidEs my right arm started pulsating and it was friggin hard and painful to clear that map....

By the way gg Ger B, sorry also for me leaving without saying kinda anything but i was pissed off both from my performance than from the pain.

We know dat feel

i say just 3:0 .... *few minutes later* -> 3:4

Kazuki's DC's too OP
This koneejo missing only for play the tie breaker -.-
Report my team intentionally feeding pls thanks
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

totoco wrote:

NeoRainier wrote:

I feel kinda shameful for my match, i got nervous and started trembling during gameplay, random missing easy patterns and inverting here and there (in pangko i lagged on the first miss, but i don't think it would have changed anything); then on the middle of AugoEidEs my right arm started pulsating and it was friggin hard and painful to clear that map....

By the way gg Ger B, sorry also for me leaving without saying kinda anything but i was pissed off both from my performance than from the pain.

We know dat feel

We know it too

GG Italy-Netherlands

so sad that i had one single fkin miss at 1/3 part in augoeides

kazukisinx wrote:

Kazuki's DC's too OP
This koneejo missing only for play the tie breaker -.-
Report my team intentionally feeding pls thanks
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Report Ukraine for feeding and leaving too dey just dropped the game l1ke
a bunch-o-no0b5 theyre captn plays w/ h1s legs of just returd lololol
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


joking, lol

+1 for Ozzy singing

ozzy has THE most beautiful voice ever. i came buckets

What did I miss?

Let's just say Ozzy lost his face.

OnosakiHito wrote:

Let's just say Ozzy lost his face.

oh no I hope he finds it

AnFace wrote:

OnosakiHito wrote:

Let's just say Ozzy lost his face.

oh no I hope he finds it

In the Chinese ‘lianna’ can be translated as 'where is the face?'

OnosakiHito wrote:

Let's just say Ozzy lost his face.

m0ar. tell us m0ar, bitte
(or give a link)

kazukisinx wrote:

Kazuki's DC's too OP
This koneejo missing only for play the tie breaker -.-
Report my team intentionally feeding pls thanks
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

i know he plan that already

Mappool 1-3 is out!
Find it here: p/1800621

Sorry for the delay.

Installer link added, click Browse and select your Songs folder, wait for the installer to extract, when its done, just F5 in osu!

The songs thus far have been ridiculously easy for a tournament. It's almost insulting.

Two Fruit Cakes wrote:

The songs thus far have been ridiculously easy for a tournament. It's almost insulting.

This will change in the knockout stages.

Makar wrote:

Two Fruit Cakes wrote:

The songs thus far have been ridiculously easy for a tournament. It's almost insulting.

This will change in the knockout stages.

inb4 Taikosaki and firce maps everywhere in knockout stages

Heard Ozzy's singing just now.

I was moved to tears ;w;

Gangnam Style should be HD+FL

jk

Flandre XKarlet wrote:

Gangnam Style should be HD+FL

jk

lol, I would die with just FL

and i think i hate the gangnam

Thailand never showed up for their match (nobody, waited 50 min), so USA B wins 4:0

nice tiebreaker map :3

Only time <333

When are the group statistic sheet going to be updated ? It would be nice to keep it up to date before round 3 starts

Still no Azis in mappool. Guess it will be tiebreaker for finals.

MrDonut wrote:

Still no Azis in mappool. Guess it will be tiebreaker for finals.

LOL

p.s. I want demetori maps for tiebreakers

Gangnam Style? Nightcore? All these boring ass anime songs?
Come on.

Ono did the mappool for the previous two rounds, but Loctav added another mapset selector so things may change. Plus, Knockout stage is harder.

Hmm.. I wish Remote Control was one of the DT picks, that would have been fun

Are you guys running this tournament as a joke? No seriously, because there are maps in here that are as easy (if not easier) than round 1 maps here.
This is supposed to be a competition to determine the best of the best. You can't cater to everyone's needs in a competition because then it's no longer a competition, it's MLP happy sunshine tournament where everyone's fantastic and everybody wins.

If only lepy were still around =S

This is actually still round 1
What I'm trying to say is that we're still on the same stage as 2 weeks ago, therefore the maps should be on an equal level of difficulty, or am I wrong?
Nevertheless I have to say that this mappool does suck, there are tons of maps which would fit better into a world cup. inb4 you could send your own map suggestions, ikr
I'm expecting a huge difficulty jump upon reaching knockout stage

Oh.. well shit. That explains it I guess.
I didn't really understand the whole "group-stage" thing since the choice selection of wording/placement on the OP makes it.. interesting to interpret. (Re-re-re-RE reading it I think I finally understand the point though.)

Why not just call the rounds Preliminary Rounds and Elimination Rounds? Sounds much better (and less confusing) than Group Stage and Knock-out Stage.


I'm gonna have to agree with BrokenArrow on this. These maps have been very disappointing to play. I can think of countless others (and I did, and I submitted my suggestions) that would have been much more effective to utilize here, ESPECIALLY if group-stage is for determining appox skill levels. These maps are pathetic and are mostly acc runs for high skilled players (makes for very boring competitive play). I also have a sneaking suspicion that once Eliminations (knock-out stage) has arrived that BOOM massive difficulty jump. I'm talking a jump from the 4-7star maps we've been playing to instant 9-12star. I'd be willing to bet money on it in fact. I'd also be willing to wager that you're going to piss off just about anyone who's left after these preliminary rounds end because of that.

HashishKabob wrote:

Oh.. well shit. That explains it I guess.
I didn't really understand the whole "group-stage" thing since the choice selection of wording/placement on the OP makes it.. interesting to interpret. (Re-re-re-RE reading it I think I finally understand the point though.)

Why not just call the rounds Preliminary Rounds and Elimination Rounds? Sounds much better (and less confusing) than Group Stage and Knock-out Stage.

They've gotten harder in the past.

Also this is the worst map-pool so far, I didn't think we could dip deeper. It's alright though, I won't be playing till knockouts (probably).

Well hopefully next one will be better now that we have 2 mapset selectors :p
Also, read the OP, you are free to PM suggestions to Ono.

I sent a very long list to ono the other day. I hope some will be added. I think not only maps are poor but even the songs. It needs some variety.

It seems like there are still many things unclear, so I should probably explain everything now. Sorry to letting you guys unknown, hope I can clear in this way many things,

As BrokenArrow mentioned before, we are still in the same round-phase(1-X), so that means that all maps need a similiar difficultie-spread. That's the default manager has gaved us.
Round 1-2 was easier as the other two rounds because, people were suprised that Round 1-1 has been made so hard, so we decided(or I did so) to make a higher spread from easier to harder maps. At the end it turned out that no one wants to play 7* Maps, so we(or I) switched in Mappool 1-3 back to the previous system.

Anyway, to use the system is no problem, but to find the right maps, because there are more factores which we need to take care of.
- Music genre
- Mapper it-self
- Mapping style
- Level

I do agree that there are better maps, but you need to see it from another point as well.

We could use all the good maps from the Touhou bracket, but this isn't a Touhou World-Cup. Neither it's a TV Size-World Cup or something else. Maps need to be choosen with different songs, that means sometimes, that some mappers appear just 1-2 times because they mapped just one genre, since we can't use just one or two genres in one Mappool.
That makes us to come to point two, about the Mapper who made a difficultie. We want to avoid having a certain mapper emphasize in a mappool, because we knew what happened in the TWC '12. People were upset that their maps got not choosed, but from another one about 4~5 at once. Of course I can choose from the most known mappers the maps and you know who they are. But doing this is not right. It should be self-explaing why(I hope so).
This in turn, brings us to the third point, the mapping style. Having different mappers brings us more styles into the mappool, which makes the skill-spread bigger, what means, that it is more fair to everyone to find a map he is able to play the best(A solution is not, in my opinion, to find mappers who are mapping different genres/songs/styles, because else they would appear to often as well).
So that makes us to come to the last point, the level of the maps. If the Skill-Spread is higher, you are able to play your dedicated level/skill. Of course I/we am/are endeavored to have a relatively balanced level, but under this circumstances it's not that easy as you think, especially for easier maps. :/
We lack in the community with - I say it like that - good and decent mapped easy difficulties. We do have more harder maps which are mapped from okay up to amazing, which will makes us the KO-stages probably easier for map/song-chooses.

Speaking about the KO-stages, there won't be any sudden jumps from 8* to 12* or so.

Also let me just say, that most of the recent suggested maps has been allready added 2months ago in our list, but which are right now too hard for the current Stage due to the default which is given to us, and which is actually reasonable?

I hope you understand the situation now. We are really endeavored to make it somehow enjoyable for everyone.
If you have questions just ask me.

Also thanks for the first map-suggestions.

Edit: I forgot to mention: Try just for fun for your-self to find some decent easy mapped Hatsune Miku maps. Maybe you will notice something.

Backfire wrote:

I sent a very long list to ono the other day. I hope some will be added. I think not only maps are poor but even the songs. It needs some variety.

who cares about songs? what do you think this is, some kind of lame rhythm game?


@OnosakiHito
Did you read my post at all? I understand your point of view, and I agree to an extent. But you still cannot make a tournament that is based around catering to everyone's skills/needs/wants. You just can't, there is no way in hell you can make a successful, interesting, and competitive gameplay tournament by ensuring everyone's "opinions" are accounted for and implemented. When you start to cater to everyone's needs, you lose sight of the true goal; to make a competitive and interesting tournament where the best get to show who they are-- and you being to find yourself overwhelmed with players' objections and whatnot, which just causes chaos in which the outcome is.. less that acceptable. Then, in the end, your left with a empty gut feeling and NO ONE is happy. You have to find a medium where
1.) You stay true to the original mindset of making a competitive tournament.
2.) Players can still have an input, but only to the point where it does not interfere with the goal.

You have many players from around the world who wish to show their skills in this competition. But these players have a massive skill gap ranging from FCing mediocre Onis to masters of multiple mods on Inner Oni+. The only way to solve an issue like this is to niche the tournament in one direction or the other. Aiming for a mid to high-end players would be my suggestion (since this is a competition of skill, not fun). This way, those who want and can have a chance for top 4 will be able to and players who can't, can still enjoy the ride.

TL;DR
YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE. So entertain the ones worth it, and make them happy first.

OnosakiHito wrote:

That's the default manager has gaved us.

Even if I agree, I can't do anything, sorry.

HashishKabob wrote:

So entertain the ones worth it, and make them happy first.

"Worth it" isn't necessarily the right wording for what you're saying. Why are you giving values to people when all members of the tournament should be treated equally? What you mean to say is rather, you should put a higher priority on higher levels of skill because this is a tournament which determines just that. The function of a tournament is to challenge the best of different nations in a series of trials in skill, in which the end result is a winner. Ascending teams are those who prove themselves to be better than the rest, even if it comes down to accuracy for now (Group Stage is technically for everyone, don't expect stupid hard maps in these rounds). Those who can prevent faltering and show greater consistency will make it.

On another note, I guess if anyone has any suggestions for the upcoming rounds that would like to still submit some maps (and is too afraid to PM Ono), feel free to send them to me. I say this because I have actually come in contact with the majority of the teams and their members thus far and do suspect a level of comfort in discussion (not that this should be a problem). It would also be convenient since I do check my inbox regularly while awaiting replies from the teams for scheduling purposes.

You cant expect from the group stage to be hard and challenging enough for possible finalists. It has always been the case that the apparant strongest teams were bored in groupstage, since the maps were kinda easy. But for the majority, it isn't easy, it's challening.
The filter of the groupstage is to sort out the lesser skilled teams by using maps, that they can still play and compete with.

The filter on knock-out stage is way harsher, since the difficulty jumps will be way more drastic. We consider RO16 or Quarterfinalists as way more skilled than we did on Group Stage, where simply EVERYONE could participate, if they signed up with a team.

Please always consider that the group stage is no stage where the highest tiers of players can show off. But to be counted to the best ones, you need to walk through the "easier levels", too. This is common practise - and you should know that.

Also "entertaining the ones that are worth it" sounds like I should favorize certain parts of players. I actually do so. In Group Stage, we favorize the weaker ones, in Knock-Out Stage, we surely adjust the difficulty to the remaining teams.
And to proof that you are worth it, the easier levels shall be an accuracy fight for you. And if you really want to be called "the best", you shall also be able to be thebest on the easy stuff (which isnt the case many times)

Any discussion about the mappools difficulty in group stage is utterly pointless and I ask you to quit the discussion at this point. Thank you.

I want to read all of this but w0w

just replace every map with http://osu.ppy.sh/s/43100

maybe change a note or 2 for variety


http://osu.ppy.sh/s/812 no wait I mean this

After all i've seen here i can say, that weak teams can actually "use" the tournament for major skill improvement (like i did)
for last 3 weeks i had more progress than in a half of a year (lol n00b get out from tournament)

anyway, weak teams fight their best on those "easy" maps, so those with potential might meet stronger opponents and... well.. if their skill will rise enough - even beat them, or at least prove to everyone and themselves that they're worth the competition (hope anyone will understand what i say)

Time to replace the mp3 with ozzy's

At this point I'm starting to think we won't have a TWC without discrepancies

@HashishKabob: You just can't adjust TWC only for some players. In that case you would have 4 or 5 powerful countries, and people like me or totoco would never have joined. That's the really unsuccessful, uninteresting and uncompetitive.

But these mappools could be better.

I regret reading everything

Makar wrote:

Time to replace the mp3 with ozzy's

It's good idea! Very good idea!
Nanamori-chu * Goraku-bu * OzzyOzrock - Ozzy Pace de Ikimashou (bakabaka) [Ozzy's Taiko] ?

Okay, and to be serious, I would like Ozzy now to sing: Melanie Flash - One in a Million (Nightcore Mix) (Makar8000) [Ozzy's Once in a Taiko]

Now I understand everything

Gangnam style is on the mappol list, rly? That is one of the worst maps ever made D:

Big and Busty wrote:

Gangnam style is on the mappol list, rly? That is one of the worst maps ever made D:

Just to enrage players xD

Dunno, i think 5-7 stars diffs are enough for group stage. Guess not everyone will find it extremely entertaining, but at lest this will not affects on winning chances of some really skilled teams. Assuming, these mappools are pretty well balanced, even if the last one is a bit on the easier side.
And i also expect a huge jump in the difficulty in knock-outs, but not because our team full of hardcore players, but just cause this is logical.
Peace.

HashishKabob wrote:

TL;DR
YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE. So entertain the ones worth it, and make them happy first.

Guess, next TWC will be invitational. Only the most worthy and beautiful will be allowed to play glorious tournament. And pray to the Lord that each of worthy men was happy enough.

You are all completely misconstruing what I meant. But that's okay, because nothing I say is going to change anything anyway.

Like I said, I just think your demeanor and wording was slightly off. It seems like everyone misconstrued your disposition and intention. Unless your reiterate yourself with a bit more clarity and without the hinted implications, I don't think anyone will really understand what you mean.

Also I don't think you really understood what other staff members have been saying thus far, though I'm thinking if you're saying that we're not getting your point then these last 2 pages or so have just been a complete and utter misunderstanding.

I'm not saying that you don't understand me. I'm saying you're all taking it too personally. I'm not attacking anyone, it just seems that everyone got offended when they're referred to as "less-than-masterfully skilled". I'm not hinting at anything either, it's a simple fact that some players are more experienced/have more skill than others. You can't deny this. To become offended, or to hide the facts, only hurts your own ego. And it's not that I don't understand what staff has said, I simply don't agree with it and stated why. Just because you feel my discussion is more or less arguing, doesn't make it so.