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Wishy
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Wishy

MillhioreF wrote:

Shoushitsu is completely readable (for me) but it just makes absolutely no sense. 120 bpm 1/4 across the width of the screen isn't fun or playable, it's just stupid.
It's a fun hard map, that's all, most maps don't make sense at all and are completely overmapped but then again you'd have to play pure speedcore crap if you wanted to have fun, if everything was properly mapped of course.

Map is fun --> epic map, map is not fun --> shit map. Rest is not relevant, though usually fun maps have a good flow@feeling of the song and make sense overall.

Aqo stop talking crap Big Money is hard not because the AR but because you got to do impossible shit, change it to AR 50000000000 or 1 it will still be hard as fuck.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

Wishy wrote:

Aqo stop talking crap Big Money is hard not because the AR but because you got to do impossible shit, change it to AR 50000000000 or 1 it will still be hard as fuck.
I'm not saying it's not hard because of the execution in it, I'm saying the AR makes it extra hard. You should already know better; that maps like LKs Flower Dance are harder with AR8 than AR10, because of how much the patterns stack. It's the same thing here.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
it's only harder at ar8 because you're used to higher ar
GensokyoAkuma
142 posts
Joined December 2010
GensokyoAkuma
So much hate for low AR on high BPM songs, wow
It's like some of you guys would like to have just 1 circle at a time appear on your screens.

Just have fun, and stop complaining about low AR's and saying things like "OMG THIS MAP SHOULD HAVE AR 10.3 INSTEAD OF 9 BECUZ THE BPM IS 231 AND THE SLIDERS APPEAR TOO SLOW AND I CANT FOLLOW OMGZ MAKE GAME EASIER PLS.

It's all just a matter of practise
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy

buny wrote:

it's only harder at ar8 because you're used to higher ar
^That.

Even if it was "easier" on AR 11, I can't see shit with that AR on any map so it will be harder for me.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
that moment when I agree wholeheartidly with wishy.

it really is the worlds end, it seems.
GoldenWolf
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Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

Aqo wrote:

I'm not saying it's not hard because of the execution in it, I'm saying the AR makes it extra hard. You should already know better; that maps like LKs Flower Dance are harder with AR8 than AR10, because of how much the patterns stack. It's the same thing here.
Big Money is readable at AR9. You only need to being able to read more than 5 objects at once on the screen~
Aqo
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Aqo

GoldenWolf wrote:

Big Money is readable at AR9. You only need to being able to read more than 5 objects at once on the screen~
Yup.

Which is a difficulty in itself. This has nothing to do with "being used to an AR". AR8 is friggin easy for me on <180bpm, even AR7 on most maps except for some monstrosities galvenize created like the new gold dust or mission ascii :b
The standard level for nearly all maps that exist for this game is having to read 4 objects up ahead. Anything that is less or more than this means that the map is using a nonstandard AR, either being too easy or too hard, creating an extra "AR difficulty" for the map in question.
Whether you want this or not is up to the mapper, and mods like HR and ES exist to give players the choice. Except this stops working at a bpm like 280. Giving more AR diversity allows more players to enjoy the same map better (and again, at this speed level HR/ES no longer give you the choice since it's already 10...)
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
If you can't read more than 5 objects at once on the screen, then you probably don't have the level required for this map anyway.
Plus the main difficulty of Big Money is the bpm itself and how hard it is to keep the singletap on those jumps, AR is not the issue here.
Aqo
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Aqo

GoldenWolf wrote:

If you can't read more than 5 objects at once on the screen, then you probably don't have the level required for this map anyway.
Plus the main difficulty of Big Money is the bpm itself and how hard it is to keep the singletap on those jumps, AR is not the issue here.
Cookiezi played it relax and the only part he missed on was the part I mentioned as being problematic to read.
He clearly had the speed to play a bunch of much harder and more spaced jumps that the map had in a bunch of other parts, and consistently. The only thing that stopped him from FC is the reading part there.

AR *is* the issue.
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
9,345 posts
Joined July 2008
Froslass
Cookiezi told me himself the problem in Big Money is that he can't singletap 280BPM 1/2 consistently, and the jumps would be okay if it was a slightly smaller BPM like 260-270.
Cygnus
1,517 posts
Joined December 2011
Cygnus
Well maybe Cookiezi powers ain't enough for a pot of manehhhhh ~
Aqo
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Aqo

Blue Dragon wrote:

Cookiezi told me himself the problem in Big Money is that he can't singletap 280BPM 1/2 consistently, and the jumps would be okay if it was a slightly smaller BPM like 260-270.
That's the reason he has many miss in a regular play compared to a relax play, it's not related to the fact he missed on that pattern with relax. Having trouble with singletap doesn't make you aim-miss. Obviously the map is also hard as hell to play physically; I just pointed out one part in it that has an unreadable pattern.
GoldenWolf
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Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
I'm sure AR isn't an issue for him lol
Like I said, Big Money is still readable at AR9, even the "unreadable pattern".
Seriously if I can read it, any good player can.
Macacito
430 posts
Joined July 2012
Macacito
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it
[Luanny]
8,248 posts
Joined April 2011
[Luanny]

Macacito wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it
............
I will regret downloading this map
Maraiga
383 posts
Joined December 2009
Maraiga
Macacito's "maps" cough cough.
Good luck Lu <3 ):
Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy

Tanzklaue wrote:

that moment when I agree wholeheartidly with wishy.

it really is the worlds end, it seems.
The fact that you're right means yeah world's gonna end soon, first time you're not disagreeing with something that is clearly right.

Aqo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

If you can't read more than 5 objects at once on the screen, then you probably don't have the level required for this map anyway.
Plus the main difficulty of Big Money is the bpm itself and how hard it is to keep the singletap on those jumps, AR is not the issue here.
Cookiezi played it relax and the only part he missed on was the part I mentioned as being problematic to read.
He clearly had the speed to play a bunch of much harder and more spaced jumps that the map had in a bunch of other parts, and consistently. The only thing that stopped him from FC is the reading part there.

AR *is* the issue.
Which is why Cookiezi got like a x5 miss play on Relax@Big Money, single tapping is the problem and I can confirm what BD said.
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GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
He got a 1x miss run on relax iirc
Wishy
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Wishy
Really? The day he got the map he did like x5 or x7 miss on relax iirc didn't know he tried again.

But x1 miss...

...
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
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MillhioreF
He tried again just today. p/1993899
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
Oh I see, what I watched was before the hard part got nerfed. :c
lolcubes
osu! Alumni
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lolcubes

Macacito wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it

o_o
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

lolcubes wrote:

Macacito wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it

o_o
Aqo has no excuse for not ssing

Not like he wouldn't SS at OD9999999999999999999999999999999999




Aqo is better than cookiezi you know.
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
Wrong that map is actually OD 5999 so you got a single nano second where you can get 300.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

Wishy wrote:

Wrong that map is actually OD 5999 so you got a single nano second where you can get 300.
ez ss
iHateFatPeople_old
iHateFatPeople_old

MillhioreF wrote:

He tried again just today. p/1993899
Fuck this shit I quit osu.

she_old
she_old

buny wrote:

Wishy wrote:

Wrong that map is actually OD 5999 so you got a single nano second where you can get 300.
ez ss
buny could ss dt
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
buny is so pro he could SS freedom dive on OD13 but he's not playing it because it's too easy for him
-Selentia
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-Selentia
Maybe FREEDOM DiVE [FOUR DIMENSIONS] ?? Those are really godly deathstreams I would say....
Bweh
486 posts
Joined September 2012
Bweh
It's difficult as all hell, but it's definitely not the hardest beatmap ever.
Tanzklaue
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Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

Brian OA wrote:

It's difficult as all hell, but it's definitely not the hardest beatmap ever.
out of the ranked maps, it actually is.
Aqo
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Aqo

Tanzklaue wrote:

out of the ranked maps, it actually is.
Or so most people would like to think, but evidently, it's not.

Atama Nogard is.
jesse1412
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Joined January 2010
jesse1412

Aqo wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

out of the ranked maps, it actually is.
Or so most people would like to think, but evidently, it's not.

Atama Nogard is.
No 4d is way harder.
Aqo
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Aqo

jesus1412 wrote:

No 4d is way harder.
Difficulty of a map isn't passing it, it's FCing it.

compare the amount of FCs on those maps \:D/
silmarilen
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silmarilen
then kokou no sousei is also way harder
freedom dive has less nomod passes than atama, it also has lower accuracy on those passes than atama
i would say its harder
hell, happystick passed atama nogard with hardrock, i dont see anybody doing that on freedom dive
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

silmarilen wrote:

then kokou no sousei is also way harder
freedom dive has less nomod passes than atama, it also has lower accuracy on those passes than atama
i would say its harder
hell, happystick passed atama nogard with hardrock, i dont see anybody doing that on freedom dive
WW also passed atama nogard with HR.

add to that that atama nogard has 2 almost perfect scores in Nikos and Cookiezis records and it gets really clear which is harder.
Aqo
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Aqo

silmarilen wrote:

then kokou no sousei is also way harder
sousei chaos has that one fullscreen diamond jump in the middle which is the hardest thing that ever got ranked tbh
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
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Froslass
the fullscreen square in kokou no sousei is a lot easier than mittens imo
ethox
osu! Alumni
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ethox

Blue Dragon wrote:

the fullscreen square in kokou no sousei is a lot easier than mittens imo
Too bad the problem with mittens isn't the size of the squares since the circles themselves are pretty big. They are challenging, but the storyboard is the only issue there.
Thatgooey
165 posts
Joined November 2011
Thatgooey
With regard to atama vs four dimensions, I believe four dimensions is more difficult. Four dimensions is pretty hard to follow already, and requires the most endurance of any ranked map out there. Atama, while technically difficult, can be practiced (mainly doing the squares sections over and over) until you have the muscle memory to pass them. You can just go into the editor and practice those sections individually 20 times over, until you can consistently hit them. You can't just go practice a rough section of four dimensions, because the map is just one giant test of stamina. I think in the long run, four dimensions turns out to be the harder map. Atama feels like it can be practiced and learned, whereas four dimensions is just a test of wills. Not many players are even physically capable of getting a full combo on four dimensions, much less a full combo with 96%+ accuracy, or even 98%+. Sure, maybe there are a select few streaming specialty players out there who can scrape through it with 88-90% acc and a decent combo, but that's not the same as throwing down a convincing replay, making the map look like it's your bitch. Only two players in osu can do that.

I give my nod to Four Dimensions for the current hardest ranked map.
HappyStick
Former osu! Champion: 2016
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HappyStick
How is this even a discussion... Freedom Dive is clearly harder than Atama [Nogard]
holdangel
holdangel
^ yep:3
-GN
Champion Above Champions
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-GN
Utage wa Eien ni [TAG4] for hardest map, based on REAL STATISTICS

GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf

-GN wrote:

Utage wa Eien ni [TAG4] for hardest map, based on REAL STATISTICS

How

I want replay
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
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MillhioreF
He probably just BS'd through the map and used a macro on the spam sections
Aqo
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Joined April 2010
Aqo
While it's very likely that Millhiore is right, the map is only HP4 so it's possible to pass it with tag tactics.
i.e. plan ahead what circles to ignore and only play parts of that bs pattern which will be just enough to keep yourself alive (every circle is an NC + HP4 = it's enough to even play only half of them. Besides it's only 255bpm jumps, you can just play this normally if you think about it...)

-nevermind just tested-. lol @ notelock. tag tactics don't work
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
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Froslass
it's a hacker, the guy had several bs replays iirc
fabriciorby
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Joined December 2009
fabriciorby
wizards in winter so hard nobody gets S
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West

fabriciorby wrote:

wizards in winter so hard nobody gets S
I have #18 on that. Does that make me the 18th best osu player?

Brb putting myself in top player video.
fabriciorby
2,211 posts
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fabriciorby
cookiezi #31 so noob
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
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MillhioreF
Utage is theoretically possible - I made a test map for the second spam, and even through notelocking I managed to hit every single red and green note and lived. This was with halftime though, and even then I only manage it one in 30 tries or so - it's more economic at that point to just do it with easy and have a MUCH easier time passing, as well as getting more points.
-Selentia
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Joined January 2013
-Selentia
Clearly Four Dimensions is harder than Atama, though so, let's just don't forget about Miku's Mythologia's End... Cookiezi was ranked #1 on both of the songs, however in comparison of his accuracy on these two songs his hits were more accurate on Four Dimensions. Not tryin' to take Cookiezi as a comparing-mechanism or something but Four Dimensions and Mythologia's End are definitely in the list of god songs in Osu.
Almost
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Joined May 2012
Almost

AkoSuminoe wrote:

Clearly Four Dimensions is harder than Atama, though so, let's just don't forget about Miku's Mythologia's End... Cookiezi was ranked #1 on both of the songs, however in comparison of his accuracy on these two songs his hits were more accurate on Four Dimensions. Not tryin' to take Cookiezi as a comparing-mechanism or something but Four Dimensions and Mythologia's End are definitely in the list of god songs in Osu.
That's because you are comparing OD8 with OD9.8.
silmarilen
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silmarilen
cookiezi SSed mythologia's end, as seen on his userpage
Kanye West
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Kanye West
Mythologia's End is a scrub-tier map, you're noob if you can't SS
Plushies
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Joined January 2013
Plushies
Hardest map is obviously Bill Nye the Science Guy. BILL BILL BILL BILL! Those jumps man.
Loves
446 posts
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Loves
Utage wa Eien ni [TAG4], Big Money, Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu (Hommarju Remix) are all up there.

As for legit maps, probably Freedom Dive.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A
Big Money, Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu (Hommarju Remix) are the hardest serious/real maps.
The hardest joke map which is still playable would be Shade - Terrible Beat.
buny
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buny
big money serious map


lulululul
jesse1412
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jesse1412

PhiLL A wrote:

Big Money, Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu (Hommarju Remix) are the hardest serious/real maps.
The hardest joke map which is still playable would be Shade - Terrible Beat.
Terrible beat is more passable than big money and shoushitsu...
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
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Froslass

buny wrote:

big money serious map


lulululul
i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen
Aqo
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Joined April 2010
Aqo
Terrible Beat has structure ;w;
it's also not hard because of 1/2s, or circles for that matter
it's also a terrible beatmap
Tanzklaue
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Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

Blue Dragon wrote:

buny wrote:

big money serious map


lulululul
i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen
isn't that what big money is? just 1/2 all over the place in the most impossible and frustrating patterns possible, only to be interrupted by 1/4 at 280 BPM?
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
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Froslass

Tanzklaue wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen
isn't that what big money is? just 1/2 all over the place in the most impossible and frustrating patterns possible, only to be interrupted by 1/4 at 280 BPM?
That's just retarded. Big Money has a lot of patterns and structure. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean it's just spam.
Wishy
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Wishy
Thing is it's not considered a serious map by many since you made it pretty much cause Cookiezi wanted something hard.
Purple
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Purple

Blue Dragon wrote:

That's just retarded. Big Money has a lot of patterns and structure. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean it's just spam.
Airman: 200 BPM map with lots of huge and hard to follow (snap requiring) jumps. Fun map even for mid-level players.
MLP gay rainbow dash map: Lots of short-to-mid 220 BPM jumps, lots of hard patterns but overall under the realm of things considered doable in this game. Lots of snapping required. Fun map for fast players.
Atama no something [Nogard]: Lots of mid 240bpm jumps. Low OD. Short. Intuitive patterns. Fun for most players provided they can single tap 240 bpm.

Big money: Garbled mess of 1/4 140 bpm mid-to-high distance jumps. Ridiculous patterns. Streams may require tap + K2. Hard to read even on max AR.

wow that didn't escalate quickly at all bruh
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
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Froslass

Blue Dragon wrote:

buny wrote:

big money serious map


lulululul
i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen

By structure I mean patterns - actual thought-out-by-the-mapper maps, and not 1/2 spam over the screen like Anti You or G-Garden that are simply jump-all-over-non-stop.
buny
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buny

Blue Dragon wrote:

By structure I mean patterns - actual thought-out-by-the-mapper maps, and not 1/2 spam over the screen like Anti You or G-Garden that are simply jump-all-over-non-stop.
this is true

keep in mind the song IS 280 bpm and is supposed to be hard

the jumps in anti you don't make sense
g-garden just looks like crap
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

buny wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

By structure I mean patterns - actual thought-out-by-the-mapper maps, and not 1/2 spam over the screen like Anti You or G-Garden that are simply jump-all-over-non-stop.
this is true

keep in mind the song IS 280 bpm and is supposed to be hard
there is a slight difference between hard and "TORNADO SQUAREs HUEHUE BRBRBRBR"-retardedness.
buny
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buny
physical limitation isn't an excuse to call a map bad

i'd much prefer tornado squares (actually love how these patterns stand out + the feeling of hitting them) over full screen jumps that don't flow with the song
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
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Froslass

Tanzklaue wrote:

buny wrote:

this is true

keep in mind the song IS 280 bpm and is supposed to be hard
there is a slight difference between hard and "TORNADO SQUAREs HUEHUE BRBRBRBR"-retardedness.
so by your amazing logic, you mean this:



is the same as this:




lol'd
Wishy
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Wishy
Thing is even maps like Gotsta Terrify [0108] have structure and stuff and I'd dare to say they play fine (with the song) yet they are so hard that people can't properly feel that so they call them joke maps.

Nevertheless having patterns on a map that you made just because you wanted something hard doesn't mean it has structure. Not referring to Big Money but overall, Shoushitsu does not have random 1/2 jumps but patterns all over the map so we might as well say that's a proper map with patterns that were thoughout by the mapper.
Aqo
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Aqo

Purple wrote:

Atama no something [Nogard]: Lots of mid 240bpm jumps. Low OD. Short. Intuitive patterns. Fun for most players provided they can single tap 240 bpm.
lol'd

people should just stop talking about maps they didn't actually try playing

if by current standards aesthetic equals structure then you get into a very complex opinionated situation where you can't really define what's structure or not since everybody has a different idea of what's aesthetic. Why not instead use connection between the song and the map to define whether it has structure? Rather than saying anti you lacks structure since the object placement is ugly and the antijumps are annoying to play, say that it lacks structure since the spacing style is completely random and doesn't follow any of the song's rhythms or even stanza spread consistency.

Shoushitsu's object timing nor object placement follows anything in the song other than the bpm itself, by this logic it's a shitmap. Whether you find the patterns on it consistent or aesthetic, they follow nothing in the song. Big Money, for the most part, does follow the song with the timestamps, and has a pattern spacing design that is consistent with stanzas in the song, so with the same logic it's not a shitmap but rather a "very hard map".

Gotsta might have consistent parts in it, but I'm pretty sure it's just because val used copypaste while making it. He was probably laughing during the entire creation of that map.

SPOILER
plz add my diff.but...


this is unrankable map.
you can deleate it if rank this map!!(other my diff)

thank you and goodluck x))
buny
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buny
shoushitsu does follow the song though
Loves
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Loves

buny wrote:

shoushitsu does follow the song though
Its a fun map but Aqo doesn't like fun.
Aqo
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Aqo

buny wrote:

shoushitsu does follow the song though
Where does the song have 1/4 streams sorry is my hearing bad

00:39:250 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20)

not even going to bother. pls stahp
Wishy
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Wishy
Pretty much all streams and triples are overmap why are you complaining about that.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/69685 ? Although pretty much ridiculous for me
buny
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buny
I slowed it down to 25% in editor and actually CAN hear the beat, and the streams sound appropriate too.
Wishy
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Wishy
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29371
Aqo
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Aqo

buny wrote:

I slowed it down to 25% in editor and actually CAN hear the beat, and the streams sound appropriate too.
There is no beat on the part that I linked, don't make things up
Wishy
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Wishy
Sounds fine here too.
buny
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buny
You asked if your hearing was bad



It is
silmarilen
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silmarilen

Wishy wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29371
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13051 is harder
buny
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buny
but there is a difference between hard and impossible
silmarilen
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silmarilen
minor details
Wishy
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Wishy
You are right that's the hardest map, sorry.
Shuriken_old_1
Shuriken_old_1
Ranked: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/41823
Gameplay:

Unranked:https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17380
Gameplay:
jesse1412
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jesse1412

Shuriken wrote:

Ranked: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/41823
Gameplay:

Unranked:https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17380
Gameplay:
Yeah... I remember when I fced 4d, still can't pass big black though :((((
buny
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buny
the big black is no where near hardest since it has such a low drain
silmarilen
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silmarilen
its incredibly hard to fc but relatively easy to pass
buny
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buny
then again same can be said about airman
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
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MillhioreF
and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
Soarezi
Soarezi
Hardest map is definitely xi - Freedom Dive [FOUR DIMENSIONS] Considering the fact that you have to have the stamina to do constant spaced streams at 222bpm and stuff.
Aqo
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Aqo

MillhioreF wrote:

and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
You're right about it being harder, but is it even a map? xo

This thread has become at this point a very philosophical (lol) debate about "what is a map" (should Tag4 even count? It wasn't made to be played by one person to begin with) and "what do you go by for -hard-" (hard to pass with default settings? hard to pass with HP7? hard to FC with retries? hard to FC in an average play? hard to SS? hard to SS on OD10?)
Since every combination of answers to these questions results in a different "hardest" map.

Why not just go into edit, open a random song, put 10000bpm, put a long slider, use the convert slider to stream tool, and post it here ;w; it's just as good as anything people were linking in the last few pages. (maybe lock?)
buny
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buny
it is a beatmap because it is a beatmap
Kanye West
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Kanye West
Oh, are we counting unranked maps now? Then this one wins. http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44126
THS
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THS
Big money :D
MillhioreF
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MillhioreF
There's a threshold where all beatmaps are equally hard. I think that comes when you put 10+ circles offscreen at HP10. If you're gonna count unranked maps, I think that one wins for sure (as well as any similar map)
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