jesus1412 wrote:

hardest map that's been passed is still imo hatsune miku no shoushitsu.

but can you even call that a map I mean even G-Garden looks decent and aesthetic compared to that blob of cornersquarescircles

also what about Nakagawa's UN.knowen or whatever it's called, that guest diff is like, mad crazy yo, and has also been passed (and actually looks like a decent map...kinda!)

L'erisia is the hardest map that doesn't look like shit, and then you already meet freedom dive on 2nd place

knjiga wrote:

Hardest map ever? This > http://osu.ppy.sh/s/30923 is still at the top IMO.

dis

Anyone said Big Money Big Prizes yet? If it gets ranked/approved, that is... On track to be hardest at least.

I change my mind...

loseri wrote:

knjiga wrote:

Hardest map ever? This > http://osu.ppy.sh/s/30923 is still at the top IMO.

dis

This gets my vote.

Does anyone still have contact with cookiezi? We should ask him what the hardest ranked/approved map is

Hardest map overall imo are Big Money or Shoushitsu right now. No real discussion here, L'erisia is fuck hard too but Cookiezi cleared it in a few plays and then again couldn't do Big Money so... even if Shoushitsu is harder to read that Big Money map is just undoable.

Delta Max [Unexpected]?

Best of No.1 thing (not sure if posted already).

lolcubes wrote:

Delta Max [Unexpected]?

I may be wrong but I recall rrtyui clearing it. Either that or almost.

Dunno, it has 500bpm 1/4 stacks with insane spacing at the end lol.

Yeah I don't really remember either but I'm sure he played it a lot and I saw him get to the last part several times, not sure if he cleared tho (wasn't really watching, and maybe the passes I saw were on another diff).

and thats why unranked maps shouldnt be considered, because otherwise we can say things like http://osu.ppy.sh/s/29371 and http://osu.ppy.sh/s/57878

True, I was considering maps that are playable though.
inb4 unexpected not playable haha

There is a big difference between joke maps and proper maps.

i dont consider shoushitsu a proper map

silmarilen wrote:

i dont consider shoushitsu a proper map

in comparison to big money, it is a good map.

Tanzklaue wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

i dont consider shoushitsu a proper map

in comparison to big money, it is a good map.

the other way around

at least big money has good timing and looks aesthetic

silmarilen wrote:

i dont consider shoushitsu a proper map

As long as it's playable and follows the music it indeed is, that's my criteria at least.

Aqo said so, so it must be true guise

All hail Aqo our new osu! overlord

Hatsune Miku - Atama no taishou
it's really hard osu! beatmap i think.

Tanzklaue wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

i dont consider shoushitsu a proper map

in comparison to big money, it is a good map.

so easy maps = good maps

#logic

I think Val's 0108 difficulty for Gotsa Terrify is the hardest map out there, even more so than Big Money. My reasoning is that Big Money is restricted to extremely fast people (i.e. notashy, niko, TTTL) while Gotsa Terrify is not. Gotsa Terrify proves to be hard as hell at only 200BPM (granted it has 1/4 slider jumps which probably increases its BPM requirement to 230 or so)

Man fuck speedcore. This game's hardest difficulties should be dominated by extreme metal music.

stahp guys

What's "hard" for you anyway? Hard to pass? Hard to FC? Hard to SS? Hard to SS consistently on high OD? Since all of those are very different.

If you go by difficulty-to-SS-on-OD10 (compared to difficulty-to-pass which is entirely dependent on the HP that the mapper chose or difficulty-to-FC which is again purely dependent on the OD setting that the mapper chose) then here is a rough map difficulty spread for a bunch of maps regardless of how good or shitty they are:

If you want to test that this difficulty spread is correct without trying to SS every single map on HR, try editing them to HP7 and OD9 and playing like that. A map like Slotcore might be easy to pass in its default settings since it's only HP3 but that does not make it an easy map at all.

I'm also going to mark the ranked maps on this list in red.

001 U.NKnown Goose (Nakagawa)
002 G-Garden (Nafar)
003 Shoushitsu (Chocopikel)
004 Gotsta Terrify (val0108)
005 L'erisia (AngelHoney)
006 Big Money (Blue Dragon)
007 Freedom Dive (Nakagawa)
008 Shuffle Heaven Frantic (AngelHoney)
009 Eighto0815 (Nafar)
010 Kuraki Sekai no Doukoku (Saten)

011 Terrible Beat (Aqo) why is this even included. oh well I said shitty maps count too
012 Fatal Moment 8441 (Jenny)
013 Slugger 250 (Zapy)
014 Rainbow Dash (ztrot)
015 Dreadnought (Ar3sgice)
016 Slotcore (Zapy)
017 Eighto490 (Aqo)
018 Sacrifice Death (Saten)
019 Atama Nogard (Blue Dragon)
020 Big Black (Blue Dragon)

021 The Creator Nyaten (Saten)
022 Chipscape (Shiirn)
023 Ma'ji'ki'ti'girl (caren_sk)
024 Nisemono Death Collab (Star Stream + winber1)
025 Lolita Complex Death Collab (Star Stream + winber1)
026 Kamui SHD (7odoa)
027 Assailant in the Night (Saten)
028 Ascension to Heaven Extreme (Zapy)
029 Fantazindy (7odoa)
030 Electric Love t+pazolite (Zapy)

031 Koisuru Uchu Ryu* (Star Stream)
032 Dragonforce Fallen World (Jenny)
033 Holy Orders Sin (Deif)
034 U.NKnown Goose (val0108)
035 deltaMAX Unexpected (Sprosive)
036 MATZcore Lolicore (_LRJ_)
037 Pluto (7odoa)
038 Kyouki Chinden (Saten)
039 Holy Orders (LKs)
040 Atama 0108 (val0108)

041 Red Goose Superable (Nold)
042 Holy Shit it's Airman (Blue Dragon)
043 Atama Lucifer x 0108 (...)
044 Ureshii (Silynn)
045 Kalafina Magia (caren_sk)
046 Shibayan Shock (7odoa)
047 Singing Rabbit CRN (caren_sk)
048 Forgotten grumd (grumd)
049 Hysteric Soda (Silynn)
050 Comme Ci Comme Ca (Aqo)

051 Setsuna Trip Lauriextra (Laurier)
052 Hurting for a Very Hurtful Pain BTM (tutuhaha)
053 Forgotten (Blue Dragon)
054 Foughten Field (Aqo)
055 Dragonforce Cry for Eternity (Lesjuh)
056 Mad Machine (Louis Cyphre)
057 Nippon Egao Hyakkei pocotan remix (caren_sk)
058 lieselotte Insane (rrtyui)
059 rog-unlimitation (AngelHoney)
060 Scream as Hard as You Can (DoKoLP)

061 Xelia Illumiscape Extra (LKs)
062 Koisuru Uchu Ryu* (DoKoLP)
063 Hare Nochi Sunday (Laurier)
064 Awake Supernova (DoKoLP)
065 EX-Termination (Jenny)
066 YuYu Metal (DoKoLP)
067 Nuclear Fusion Atomic (Louis Cyphre)
068 Mythologia's End (val0108)
069 Rainbow Tylenol Hell (Blue Dragon)
070 Taketori Hishou Moonatic (Wishy)

071 Feel Better Nogard (Blue Dragon)
072 NH22 Corrosion (Maddy)
073 Ohigan FuzzyClap Prankster (val0108)
074 Time files Another (gowww)
075 Made of Fire Oni (Lesjuh)
076 BRZion Ancient Memories (Zapy)
077 Kirby Mix Compilation Deluxe (!!!)
078 Bring Me the Horizon Comedown (Louis Cyphre)
079 yambabom Over my head (Zapy)
080 Senketsu no Chikai Insanity (Saten)

081 Through the Fire and Flames (Lesjuh)
082 Oath of Kings (DoKoLP)
083 paraoka boot Shoe (rickyboi)
084 TU4AR Nogard (Blue Dragon)
085 Kokou no Sousei Chaos (Saten)

85 maps should be enough, now lock this thread.

aqo pls, big money #2, shoushitsu #1

Yeah I'd love to see you SS U.NKnown Goose on OD10.
Big Money isn't even that hard ever since BD nerfed it recently. All in relative speaking of course.

Tanzklaue wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

i dont consider shoushitsu a proper map

in comparison to big money, it is a good map.

this guy knows what he's talking about

so unreadable fullscreen jumps at AR9 are much better than jumps that do actually make sense but are too hard and AR10

ok

Aqo wrote:

Yeah I'd love to see you SS U.NKnown Goose on OD10.
Big Money isn't even that hard ever since BD nerfed it recently. All in relative speaking of course.

I'd love to see myself ss shoushitsu too

Shoushitsu is completely readable (for me) but it just makes absolutely no sense. 120 bpm 1/4 across the width of the screen isn't fun or playable, it's just stupid.

not fun for people like you yea

Blue Dragon wrote:

AR

btw BD AR10 is still too low for Big Money (if you go by average object/pattern stack levels that are acceptable in most maps). Mind adding an AR10.3 version to your upload? (the same way caren_sk give a choice between AR9 and AR10)

02:13:265 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - this is pretty much the hardest part on Big Money, purely because of the AR. Higher AR makes this much more readable. (alternatively just remap this part, and then you can actually go for rank... oh no what am I saying)

MillhioreF wrote:

Shoushitsu is completely readable (for me) but it just makes absolutely no sense. 120 bpm 1/4 across the width of the screen isn't fun or playable, it's just stupid.

That's your opinion.

MillhioreF wrote:

Shoushitsu is completely readable (for me) but it just makes absolutely no sense. 120 bpm 1/4 across the width of the screen isn't fun or playable, it's just stupid.

It's a fun hard map, that's all, most maps don't make sense at all and are completely overmapped but then again you'd have to play pure speedcore crap if you wanted to have fun, if everything was properly mapped of course.

Map is fun --> epic map, map is not fun --> shit map. Rest is not relevant, though usually fun maps have a good flow@feeling of the song and make sense overall.

Aqo stop talking crap Big Money is hard not because the AR but because you got to do impossible shit, change it to AR 50000000000 or 1 it will still be hard as fuck.

Wishy wrote:

Aqo stop talking crap Big Money is hard not because the AR but because you got to do impossible shit, change it to AR 50000000000 or 1 it will still be hard as fuck.

I'm not saying it's not hard because of the execution in it, I'm saying the AR makes it extra hard. You should already know better; that maps like LKs Flower Dance are harder with AR8 than AR10, because of how much the patterns stack. It's the same thing here.

it's only harder at ar8 because you're used to higher ar

So much hate for low AR on high BPM songs, wow
It's like some of you guys would like to have just 1 circle at a time appear on your screens.

Just have fun, and stop complaining about low AR's and saying things like "OMG THIS MAP SHOULD HAVE AR 10.3 INSTEAD OF 9 BECUZ THE BPM IS 231 AND THE SLIDERS APPEAR TOO SLOW AND I CANT FOLLOW OMGZ MAKE GAME EASIER PLS.

It's all just a matter of practise

buny wrote:

it's only harder at ar8 because you're used to higher ar

^That.

Even if it was "easier" on AR 11, I can't see shit with that AR on any map so it will be harder for me.

that moment when I agree wholeheartidly with wishy.

it really is the worlds end, it seems.

Aqo wrote:

I'm not saying it's not hard because of the execution in it, I'm saying the AR makes it extra hard. You should already know better; that maps like LKs Flower Dance are harder with AR8 than AR10, because of how much the patterns stack. It's the same thing here.

Big Money is readable at AR9. You only need to being able to read more than 5 objects at once on the screen~

GoldenWolf wrote:

Big Money is readable at AR9. You only need to being able to read more than 5 objects at once on the screen~

Yup.

Which is a difficulty in itself. This has nothing to do with "being used to an AR". AR8 is friggin easy for me on <180bpm, even AR7 on most maps except for some monstrosities galvenize created like the new gold dust or mission ascii :b
The standard level for nearly all maps that exist for this game is having to read 4 objects up ahead. Anything that is less or more than this means that the map is using a nonstandard AR, either being too easy or too hard, creating an extra "AR difficulty" for the map in question.
Whether you want this or not is up to the mapper, and mods like HR and ES exist to give players the choice. Except this stops working at a bpm like 280. Giving more AR diversity allows more players to enjoy the same map better (and again, at this speed level HR/ES no longer give you the choice since it's already 10...)

If you can't read more than 5 objects at once on the screen, then you probably don't have the level required for this map anyway.
Plus the main difficulty of Big Money is the bpm itself and how hard it is to keep the singletap on those jumps, AR is not the issue here.

GoldenWolf wrote:

If you can't read more than 5 objects at once on the screen, then you probably don't have the level required for this map anyway.
Plus the main difficulty of Big Money is the bpm itself and how hard it is to keep the singletap on those jumps, AR is not the issue here.

Cookiezi played it relax and the only part he missed on was the part I mentioned as being problematic to read.
He clearly had the speed to play a bunch of much harder and more spaced jumps that the map had in a bunch of other parts, and consistently. The only thing that stopped him from FC is the reading part there.

AR *is* the issue.

Cookiezi told me himself the problem in Big Money is that he can't singletap 280BPM 1/2 consistently, and the jumps would be okay if it was a slightly smaller BPM like 260-270.

Well maybe Cookiezi powers ain't enough for a pot of manehhhhh ~

Blue Dragon wrote:

Cookiezi told me himself the problem in Big Money is that he can't singletap 280BPM 1/2 consistently, and the jumps would be okay if it was a slightly smaller BPM like 260-270.

That's the reason he has many miss in a regular play compared to a relax play, it's not related to the fact he missed on that pattern with relax. Having trouble with singletap doesn't make you aim-miss. Obviously the map is also hard as hell to play physically; I just pointed out one part in it that has an unreadable pattern.

I'm sure AR isn't an issue for him lol
Like I said, Big Money is still readable at AR9, even the "unreadable pattern".
Seriously if I can read it, any good player can.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it

Macacito wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it

............
I will regret downloading this map

Macacito's "maps" cough cough.
Good luck Lu <3 ):

Tanzklaue wrote:

that moment when I agree wholeheartidly with wishy.

it really is the worlds end, it seems.

The fact that you're right means yeah world's gonna end soon, first time you're not disagreeing with something that is clearly right.

Aqo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

If you can't read more than 5 objects at once on the screen, then you probably don't have the level required for this map anyway.
Plus the main difficulty of Big Money is the bpm itself and how hard it is to keep the singletap on those jumps, AR is not the issue here.

Cookiezi played it relax and the only part he missed on was the part I mentioned as being problematic to read.
He clearly had the speed to play a bunch of much harder and more spaced jumps that the map had in a bunch of other parts, and consistently. The only thing that stopped him from FC is the reading part there.

AR *is* the issue.

Which is why Cookiezi got like a x5 miss play on Relax@Big Money, single tapping is the problem and I can confirm what BD said.

He got a 1x miss run on relax iirc

Really? The day he got the map he did like x5 or x7 miss on relax iirc didn't know he tried again.

But x1 miss...

...

He tried again just today. p/1993899

Oh I see, what I watched was before the hard part got nerfed. :c

Macacito wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it

o_o

lolcubes wrote:

Macacito wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59167
nobody passes it

o_o

Aqo has no excuse for not ssing

Not like he wouldn't SS at OD9999999999999999999999999999999999




Aqo is better than cookiezi you know.

Wrong that map is actually OD 5999 so you got a single nano second where you can get 300.

Wishy wrote:

Wrong that map is actually OD 5999 so you got a single nano second where you can get 300.

ez ss

MillhioreF wrote:

He tried again just today. p/1993899

Fuck this shit I quit osu.

buny wrote:

Wishy wrote:

Wrong that map is actually OD 5999 so you got a single nano second where you can get 300.

ez ss

buny could ss dt

buny is so pro he could SS freedom dive on OD13 but he's not playing it because it's too easy for him

Maybe FREEDOM DiVE [FOUR DIMENSIONS] ?? Those are really godly deathstreams I would say....

It's difficult as all hell, but it's definitely not the hardest beatmap ever.

Brian OA wrote:

It's difficult as all hell, but it's definitely not the hardest beatmap ever.

out of the ranked maps, it actually is.

Tanzklaue wrote:

out of the ranked maps, it actually is.

Or so most people would like to think, but evidently, it's not.

Atama Nogard is.

Aqo wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

out of the ranked maps, it actually is.

Or so most people would like to think, but evidently, it's not.

Atama Nogard is.

No 4d is way harder.

jesus1412 wrote:

No 4d is way harder.

Difficulty of a map isn't passing it, it's FCing it.

compare the amount of FCs on those maps \:D/

then kokou no sousei is also way harder
freedom dive has less nomod passes than atama, it also has lower accuracy on those passes than atama
i would say its harder
hell, happystick passed atama nogard with hardrock, i dont see anybody doing that on freedom dive

silmarilen wrote:

then kokou no sousei is also way harder
freedom dive has less nomod passes than atama, it also has lower accuracy on those passes than atama
i would say its harder
hell, happystick passed atama nogard with hardrock, i dont see anybody doing that on freedom dive

WW also passed atama nogard with HR.

add to that that atama nogard has 2 almost perfect scores in Nikos and Cookiezis records and it gets really clear which is harder.

silmarilen wrote:

then kokou no sousei is also way harder

sousei chaos has that one fullscreen diamond jump in the middle which is the hardest thing that ever got ranked tbh

the fullscreen square in kokou no sousei is a lot easier than mittens imo

Blue Dragon wrote:

the fullscreen square in kokou no sousei is a lot easier than mittens imo

Too bad the problem with mittens isn't the size of the squares since the circles themselves are pretty big. They are challenging, but the storyboard is the only issue there.

With regard to atama vs four dimensions, I believe four dimensions is more difficult. Four dimensions is pretty hard to follow already, and requires the most endurance of any ranked map out there. Atama, while technically difficult, can be practiced (mainly doing the squares sections over and over) until you have the muscle memory to pass them. You can just go into the editor and practice those sections individually 20 times over, until you can consistently hit them. You can't just go practice a rough section of four dimensions, because the map is just one giant test of stamina. I think in the long run, four dimensions turns out to be the harder map. Atama feels like it can be practiced and learned, whereas four dimensions is just a test of wills. Not many players are even physically capable of getting a full combo on four dimensions, much less a full combo with 96%+ accuracy, or even 98%+. Sure, maybe there are a select few streaming specialty players out there who can scrape through it with 88-90% acc and a decent combo, but that's not the same as throwing down a convincing replay, making the map look like it's your bitch. Only two players in osu can do that.

I give my nod to Four Dimensions for the current hardest ranked map.

How is this even a discussion... Freedom Dive is clearly harder than Atama [Nogard]

^ yep:3

Utage wa Eien ni [TAG4] for hardest map, based on REAL STATISTICS

-GN wrote:

Utage wa Eien ni [TAG4] for hardest map, based on REAL STATISTICS

How

I want replay

He probably just BS'd through the map and used a macro on the spam sections

While it's very likely that Millhiore is right, the map is only HP4 so it's possible to pass it with tag tactics.
i.e. plan ahead what circles to ignore and only play parts of that bs pattern which will be just enough to keep yourself alive (every circle is an NC + HP4 = it's enough to even play only half of them. Besides it's only 255bpm jumps, you can just play this normally if you think about it...)

-nevermind just tested-. lol @ notelock. tag tactics don't work

it's a hacker, the guy had several bs replays iirc

wizards in winter so hard nobody gets S

fabriciorby wrote:

wizards in winter so hard nobody gets S

I have #18 on that. Does that make me the 18th best osu player?

Brb putting myself in top player video.

cookiezi #31 so noob

Utage is theoretically possible - I made a test map for the second spam, and even through notelocking I managed to hit every single red and green note and lived. This was with halftime though, and even then I only manage it one in 30 tries or so - it's more economic at that point to just do it with easy and have a MUCH easier time passing, as well as getting more points.

Clearly Four Dimensions is harder than Atama, though so, let's just don't forget about Miku's Mythologia's End... Cookiezi was ranked #1 on both of the songs, however in comparison of his accuracy on these two songs his hits were more accurate on Four Dimensions. Not tryin' to take Cookiezi as a comparing-mechanism or something but Four Dimensions and Mythologia's End are definitely in the list of god songs in Osu.

AkoSuminoe wrote:

Clearly Four Dimensions is harder than Atama, though so, let's just don't forget about Miku's Mythologia's End... Cookiezi was ranked #1 on both of the songs, however in comparison of his accuracy on these two songs his hits were more accurate on Four Dimensions. Not tryin' to take Cookiezi as a comparing-mechanism or something but Four Dimensions and Mythologia's End are definitely in the list of god songs in Osu.

That's because you are comparing OD8 with OD9.8.

cookiezi SSed mythologia's end, as seen on his userpage

Mythologia's End is a scrub-tier map, you're noob if you can't SS

Hardest map is obviously Bill Nye the Science Guy. BILL BILL BILL BILL! Those jumps man.

Utage wa Eien ni [TAG4], Big Money, Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu (Hommarju Remix) are all up there.

As for legit maps, probably Freedom Dive.

Big Money, Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu (Hommarju Remix) are the hardest serious/real maps.
The hardest joke map which is still playable would be Shade - Terrible Beat.

big money serious map


lulululul

PhiLL A wrote:

Big Money, Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu (Hommarju Remix) are the hardest serious/real maps.
The hardest joke map which is still playable would be Shade - Terrible Beat.

Terrible beat is more passable than big money and shoushitsu...

buny wrote:

big money serious map


lulululul

i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen

Terrible Beat has structure ;w;
it's also not hard because of 1/2s, or circles for that matter
it's also a terrible beatmap

Blue Dragon wrote:

buny wrote:

big money serious map


lulululul

i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen

isn't that what big money is? just 1/2 all over the place in the most impossible and frustrating patterns possible, only to be interrupted by 1/4 at 280 BPM?

Tanzklaue wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen

isn't that what big money is? just 1/2 all over the place in the most impossible and frustrating patterns possible, only to be interrupted by 1/4 at 280 BPM?

That's just retarded. Big Money has a lot of patterns and structure. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean it's just spam.

Thing is it's not considered a serious map by many since you made it pretty much cause Cookiezi wanted something hard.

Blue Dragon wrote:

That's just retarded. Big Money has a lot of patterns and structure. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean it's just spam.

Airman: 200 BPM map with lots of huge and hard to follow (snap requiring) jumps. Fun map even for mid-level players.
MLP gay rainbow dash map: Lots of short-to-mid 220 BPM jumps, lots of hard patterns but overall under the realm of things considered doable in this game. Lots of snapping required. Fun map for fast players.
Atama no something [Nogard]: Lots of mid 240bpm jumps. Low OD. Short. Intuitive patterns. Fun for most players provided they can single tap 240 bpm.

Big money: Garbled mess of 1/4 140 bpm mid-to-high distance jumps. Ridiculous patterns. Streams may require tap + K2. Hard to read even on max AR.

wow that didn't escalate quickly at all bruh

Blue Dragon wrote:

buny wrote:

big money serious map


lulululul

i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screen

By structure I mean patterns - actual thought-out-by-the-mapper maps, and not 1/2 spam over the screen like Anti You or G-Garden that are simply jump-all-over-non-stop.