Map pack please.
While this is hardly professional, I don't really see the issue with taking a half hour and watching Autoplay play each map once just so you get a feel for them :/ You don't need to know it inside and out, just perhaps where some harder patterns are, and if it's an accuracy/jump/stream map. I mean, you're already volunteering time to commentate. Why not do a little preliminary research and make the experience better?Mr Color wrote:
I'm not about to do anything special or study any map or any of that bullshit. This isn't professional. If it were, you wouldn't see me commentating. I'm fine with you not liking the streams, and I'm also fine with you not watching the streams either.
Finally somebody else notices, lol.XGeneral2000 wrote:
Also, this "if you don't like this tournament, you can shut up and go home" attitude is really coming off as unprofessional. This isn't just you, but from a lot of the staff over the last hundred pages. A lot of the criticisms have been unfounded/hostile, to be sure, but even polite concerns have been bluntly shrugged off and even attacked/threatened by the staff. I know you guys are human, and this is probably pretty stressful, but as people who chose to assume responsibility for something this big, you have an obligation to remain professional and rational at all times. This is true about any management/leadership position in life. Even if someone treats you unreasonably, you need to deal with it without resorting to the cold shoulder/iron authority. Even if you are truly considering everyone's input and making decisions accordingly, you're not giving off that impression, and I think a lot of the frustration from the players/viewers in this thread are coming from this impression that you are blatantly/rudely ignoring them in favor of your own judgement, and your own judgement only. Again, not picking on anyone in particular, but rather directed towards the staff in general.
Still, thank you for running the tournament. The stream is also a huge plus, and even if there are issues with it, at least we have one this year.
He's talking about ztrot, Zallius and peppy's commentary.Mr Color wrote:
I, kriers or cubes generally know the layout of the maps and what makes them hard or easy - we actually mention that in the streams
Valkyrie Dimension's high speed + speed-up beginning section
no pain, no game's overall tricky patterns + stream of stacks and sliders
45nen no Yukizakura's traps in Hidden
The low OD in Kyun Kyun Tamaran Inaba-Tan
The irregular rhythm in Shining Wizard
and so on and so forth. We're not professional and we're far from perfect, but anybody who's watched the streams thoroughly knows that we actually are knowledgeable about the map picks.
Also THANK YOU XGeneral2000 for the constructive criticism, even if, as stated above, in our case it's kinda moot
They commentated some matches that were very early in the morning and they didn't even know the maps. Just watch the vods.Mr Color wrote:
ztrot usually knows what he's talking about too and generally doesn't mention maps anyway
Zallius and ppy barely ever speak
A staple of this tournamentXGeneral2000 wrote:
Also, I'd like to point out that I find it absolutely hilarious that every time someone mentions a player has an FC or SS, they break it.
Stuff like this shouldn't happen anymore. Peppy got on to Mara's ass for doing so already.Aqo wrote:
do it right
don't just sit quietly and talk about how you're drinking cola
(not meaning to offend anybody, I know it's hard and that you're new to this)
If I was sitting there as commentator and seeing full-FC-so-far, I'd look at accuracies and throw out stuff like "look at this player, he is really solid with acc on this bpm, he will keep it high all match long. this other player isn't good with 1/4 sliders, notice those slider100s. this player always claims he's not good with AR10, but so far he's SSing this HR map, what interesting standards". etc. dunno. talk about the players. talk about the meta aspect of the whole thing - the team rivalry, the predictions for the match, what happens to each team if they win or lose bracket-wise, and so on. there's always something to talk about.Mr Color wrote:
If both team are FCing the map, we're not gonna get all excited over nothing, it doesn't make sense!
I know, right?Mara wrote:
I never understand how people can get so much drama out of these things. It looks like everyone is going to kill each other.
this is the core of the problem. that people think of criticism as offense instead of as advicehigurush wrote:
Offending the-
Ye because if a large crowd does the same, it can more or less been taken as an offense~Aqo wrote:
this is the core of the problem. that people think of criticism as offense instead of as advicehigurush wrote:
Offending the-
be mature enough to ignore any words that a random unknown person posted on the internet that might have been intended to offend you and instead look at them objectively as a source of information to learn from to perform better in the futureMakar wrote:
I appreciate the criticism I have gotten so far. However, some of it only has the purpose of offending others because things don't go they way they would like it to.
This is kind of an interesting point. I mean, you don't need to know every player's BPM range, favorite mappers, three sizes, relationship status, etc, as you're hardly being paid for this and I'm sure you have better things to do than sift through every player's thousands of scores. But one possible suggestion could be to take a look at the "Top Performances" of a couple of the higher-profile players (ranked top 500 pp). You can get some interesting information out of players this way without too much research. Are they getting HD+DT SS scores, or are they playing HD+HR on difficult maps (or maybe even FL)? Do the maps tend to be high BPM streams, crazy patterns, low BPM, irregular timing, etc? You may be able to pin down a player's general strengths and playstyles like that, and the commentary will that much more colorful. It could at least provide interesting background during slower moments in songs or in between map picks.Aqo wrote:
If I was sitting there as commentator and seeing full-FC-so-far, I'd look at accuracies and throw out stuff like "look at this player, he is really solid with acc on this bpm, he will keep it high all match long. this other player isn't good with 1/4 sliders, notice those slider100s. this player always claims he's not good with AR10, but so far he's SSing this HR map, what interesting standards". etc. dunno. talk about the players. talk about the meta aspect of the whole thing - the team rivalry, the predictions for the match, what happens to each team if they win or lose bracket-wise, and so on. there's always something to talk about.