just let kyou commentate
This is the main problem for streamers at the moment though. We have two streamers who are both in the eastern timezone, so it's difficult for us to stream matches at 3-5AMThatgooey wrote:
I have a really good internet connection and computer for streaming, but I don't know if I have the schedule to do it.
am I the only one who found this funnyFreedomofBirds wrote:
You have to know, the enemy team also hay to wait 15 minutes, so what? A Korean team won‘t loose against a not-so-good team just because of the wait
Resolution isn't everything when it comes to quallity. The stream is 720p, yes, but the bitrate is low for reasons mentioned in previous post. We were instructed by peppy to use this resolution knowing this.Wishy wrote:
Stream is terrible. 720p is unwatchable since it get's lagged constatly (image freezing) and it doesn't even look like 720p. Again it's not just me since I usually watch 1080p streams without major problems (while downloading shit via torrent at high speeds, meaning 3MB/s). Then again on low quality you can barely see combo count.
If I knew this wasn't intentional I would of easily fixed it myself. I figured it was intentional since this shouldn't be a bug due to peppy's ability to already be able to adjust volume levels on the client (music is only played from one client). Also, peppy never mentioned anything about it and he is always with us when we are streaming to nitpick everything so its the best we are able to make it.Wishy wrote:
Hitsound spam is annoying, though peppy is already working on this so I guess this is ok.
Honestly it would be okay if it was only 5-10 minutes, but something like 30 seconds like KRZY did in the previous match will cause us to be delayed.Wishy wrote:
And the 15 minutes rule is, indeed, useful, but there is a priorities problem. You can show up 20 minutes late, but then again you gotta join the game 15 minutes earlier than the time you arranged. Having to wait 15 minutes before the match w/o playing can be troublesome since your hands "go cold". I'd change that time gap to 5 minutes (unless your cat is on fire or you're playing Stream Compilation you shouldn't have any problem with this) and even let the player play 2 or even 3 warm up maps just in case.
Some of it has to do with how the spectator client works (though peppy is working on making this more automated so extra time isn't needed). We already ask for initial line-ups 15 minutes before the game is made, but most of the time the captains have no idea (which is another reason for the joining the match early thing). It usually takes them 15 minutes to finalize this (most likely because all of the players are warming up so communication is very slow). As I said imo it should really only be 5-10 minutes. It's still a little bit more than we need, but it gives us extra time in-case something goes wrong. 15 minutes isn't long at all though, seriously. An extra 5 minutes shouldn't affect you, just use it to go to the bathroom or take breathing exercises or something.Wishy wrote:
Only good thing I can say about this is the stream is almost always online, which is good, and most matches are being played w/o much trouble, but really there is A LOT to improve, rather than the 15 minutes thing. Like really I would love to know why you need the players to be there. If you want the initial line-up you can get that information via PM. You can set up the stream while players are just screwing around, etc.
See previous posts.silmarilen wrote:
if the stream is low quality because of the internet connection of the streamer, get someone to stream with a better connection.
Not everybody can use the spectator client though, and that would require peppy to make a bunch of different account for everybody. The client isn't nearly as stable as osu either (there have been a few times where the client crashed during the matches). Players would have a shitton (8 per commentator) of spectators too lmao. This might be looked into though.silmarilen wrote:
also the delay on commentating can be fixed by either
having all the commentators in a tournament client and watching through there
...Why would want to do this? xDsilmarilen wrote:
or having an internal stream where they can watch and commentate and then that gets restreamed to the public one.
Less delay, I presume. But there would be more work involved (setting up a second stream, etc.)Makar wrote:
...Why would want to do this? xDsilmarilen wrote:
or having an internal stream where they can watch and commentate and then that gets restreamed to the public one.
"restreaming" isn't exactly a good idea, though. The only way I see doing this would actually work properly is doing both streams on the same computer, which would take a ton of power and a ridiculously strong internet connection. It would also cause a bigger delay in the time it takes for the players to finish a match and for the stream to show that.Kanye West wrote:
Less delay, I presume. But there would be more work involved (setting up a second stream, etc.)
See previous posts (again).Wishy wrote:
If your Internet connection is not good enough, then get someone with a better one to stream (I could give it a shot but I'm not sure if my PC is good enough, wouldn't mind giving it a try).
Again, the delay is created -because- the commentators watch the stream instead of the client. If they were able to commentate based on the client there would be little to no delay in this. It takes time for the stream to reach twitch and on to you (it isn't instant which you seem to think it is). Because of this, their commentary gets to me later and is added on to a part of the stream where they didn't actually commentate on.Wishy wrote:
I don't understand what's going on with this "commentating delay". Just stream from your PC, don't talk, or either commentate from WATCHING your own stream from another PC rather than the osu! spectator client itself. If you're still getting commentating delay then you're doing something wrong (thousands of DotA/LoL/any game players stream and don't have this issue).
There have been many times where a match has lasted longer than an hour and so it goes into the time that another match is supposed to start. Surprisingly enough, this is usually because people get in later than we ask them to (another reason for the rule). We won't have time if we did 3 warmup maps. Also, not all commentators even have to organize anything (Mr Color does most of that work for them before the match starts). For them, it's just making sure they have sufficient people and going over procedures for our guest speakers which has nothing to do with the players. You really don't need that many warm up maps anyway. 10-15 minutes should not completely break your 1hour (or however long) warmup and if it does then there is something wrong with you. Again, if you want to know why this is needed, take a look at any other competition (marching band, talent competitions, dancing, singing, etc). In most of these you would have to show up an hour or so early from my experience, yet people complain about 15 minutes in a clicking-circles game.Wishy wrote:
Anyways the stream is "good enough" so none of what I said above is a really big complaint. It's improved a lot compared to last year and it is running smoothly. I'm still against the 15 minutes rule but to be honest, if you changed the warm up thing to something like 3 maps instead of 1 there shouldn't be any problem. Give this some thought since there is usually, from what I've watched, 10~15 minutes of pretty much nothing after matches so there is time to add 1 or 2 more warm up maps. Plus doubt anyone will care spectating people play crazy/interesting stuff like they already do before matches. Then again please don't use the "we need time to organize" card, because it's been several times that I've seen commentators talking random stuff or "answering questions" because there is nothing to do. There is indeed enough time to let the players play, into the multiplayer room already, a 2 extra maps just for warm up purposes. This would solve KRZY's problem I think.
While this is hardly professional, I don't really see the issue with taking a half hour and watching Autoplay play each map once just so you get a feel for them :/ You don't need to know it inside and out, just perhaps where some harder patterns are, and if it's an accuracy/jump/stream map. I mean, you're already volunteering time to commentate. Why not do a little preliminary research and make the experience better?Mr Color wrote:
I'm not about to do anything special or study any map or any of that bullshit. This isn't professional. If it were, you wouldn't see me commentating. I'm fine with you not liking the streams, and I'm also fine with you not watching the streams either.
Finally somebody else notices, lol.XGeneral2000 wrote:
Also, this "if you don't like this tournament, you can shut up and go home" attitude is really coming off as unprofessional. This isn't just you, but from a lot of the staff over the last hundred pages. A lot of the criticisms have been unfounded/hostile, to be sure, but even polite concerns have been bluntly shrugged off and even attacked/threatened by the staff. I know you guys are human, and this is probably pretty stressful, but as people who chose to assume responsibility for something this big, you have an obligation to remain professional and rational at all times. This is true about any management/leadership position in life. Even if someone treats you unreasonably, you need to deal with it without resorting to the cold shoulder/iron authority. Even if you are truly considering everyone's input and making decisions accordingly, you're not giving off that impression, and I think a lot of the frustration from the players/viewers in this thread are coming from this impression that you are blatantly/rudely ignoring them in favor of your own judgement, and your own judgement only. Again, not picking on anyone in particular, but rather directed towards the staff in general.
Still, thank you for running the tournament. The stream is also a huge plus, and even if there are issues with it, at least we have one this year.
He's talking about ztrot, Zallius and peppy's commentary.Mr Color wrote:
I, kriers or cubes generally know the layout of the maps and what makes them hard or easy - we actually mention that in the streams
Valkyrie Dimension's high speed + speed-up beginning section
no pain, no game's overall tricky patterns + stream of stacks and sliders
45nen no Yukizakura's traps in Hidden
The low OD in Kyun Kyun Tamaran Inaba-Tan
The irregular rhythm in Shining Wizard
and so on and so forth. We're not professional and we're far from perfect, but anybody who's watched the streams thoroughly knows that we actually are knowledgeable about the map picks.
Also THANK YOU XGeneral2000 for the constructive criticism, even if, as stated above, in our case it's kinda moot
They commentated some matches that were very early in the morning and they didn't even know the maps. Just watch the vods.Mr Color wrote:
ztrot usually knows what he's talking about too and generally doesn't mention maps anyway
Zallius and ppy barely ever speak
A staple of this tournamentXGeneral2000 wrote:
Also, I'd like to point out that I find it absolutely hilarious that every time someone mentions a player has an FC or SS, they break it.
Stuff like this shouldn't happen anymore. Peppy got on to Mara's ass for doing so already.Aqo wrote:
do it right
don't just sit quietly and talk about how you're drinking cola
(not meaning to offend anybody, I know it's hard and that you're new to this)
If I was sitting there as commentator and seeing full-FC-so-far, I'd look at accuracies and throw out stuff like "look at this player, he is really solid with acc on this bpm, he will keep it high all match long. this other player isn't good with 1/4 sliders, notice those slider100s. this player always claims he's not good with AR10, but so far he's SSing this HR map, what interesting standards". etc. dunno. talk about the players. talk about the meta aspect of the whole thing - the team rivalry, the predictions for the match, what happens to each team if they win or lose bracket-wise, and so on. there's always something to talk about.Mr Color wrote:
If both team are FCing the map, we're not gonna get all excited over nothing, it doesn't make sense!