A staple of this tournamentXGeneral2000 wrote:
Also, I'd like to point out that I find it absolutely hilarious that every time someone mentions a player has an FC or SS, they break it.
A staple of this tournamentXGeneral2000 wrote:
Also, I'd like to point out that I find it absolutely hilarious that every time someone mentions a player has an FC or SS, they break it.
Stuff like this shouldn't happen anymore. Peppy got on to Mara's ass for doing so already.Aqo wrote:
do it right
don't just sit quietly and talk about how you're drinking cola
(not meaning to offend anybody, I know it's hard and that you're new to this)
If I was sitting there as commentator and seeing full-FC-so-far, I'd look at accuracies and throw out stuff like "look at this player, he is really solid with acc on this bpm, he will keep it high all match long. this other player isn't good with 1/4 sliders, notice those slider100s. this player always claims he's not good with AR10, but so far he's SSing this HR map, what interesting standards". etc. dunno. talk about the players. talk about the meta aspect of the whole thing - the team rivalry, the predictions for the match, what happens to each team if they win or lose bracket-wise, and so on. there's always something to talk about.Mr Color wrote:
If both team are FCing the map, we're not gonna get all excited over nothing, it doesn't make sense!
I know, right?Mara wrote:
I never understand how people can get so much drama out of these things. It looks like everyone is going to kill each other.
this is the core of the problem. that people think of criticism as offense instead of as advicehigurush wrote:
Offending the-
Ye because if a large crowd does the same, it can more or less been taken as an offense~Aqo wrote:
this is the core of the problem. that people think of criticism as offense instead of as advicehigurush wrote:
Offending the-
be mature enough to ignore any words that a random unknown person posted on the internet that might have been intended to offend you and instead look at them objectively as a source of information to learn from to perform better in the futureMakar wrote:
I appreciate the criticism I have gotten so far. However, some of it only has the purpose of offending others because things don't go they way they would like it to.
This is kind of an interesting point. I mean, you don't need to know every player's BPM range, favorite mappers, three sizes, relationship status, etc, as you're hardly being paid for this and I'm sure you have better things to do than sift through every player's thousands of scores. But one possible suggestion could be to take a look at the "Top Performances" of a couple of the higher-profile players (ranked top 500 pp). You can get some interesting information out of players this way without too much research. Are they getting HD+DT SS scores, or are they playing HD+HR on difficult maps (or maybe even FL)? Do the maps tend to be high BPM streams, crazy patterns, low BPM, irregular timing, etc? You may be able to pin down a player's general strengths and playstyles like that, and the commentary will that much more colorful. It could at least provide interesting background during slower moments in songs or in between map picks.Aqo wrote:
If I was sitting there as commentator and seeing full-FC-so-far, I'd look at accuracies and throw out stuff like "look at this player, he is really solid with acc on this bpm, he will keep it high all match long. this other player isn't good with 1/4 sliders, notice those slider100s. this player always claims he's not good with AR10, but so far he's SSing this HR map, what interesting standards". etc. dunno. talk about the players. talk about the meta aspect of the whole thing - the team rivalry, the predictions for the match, what happens to each team if they win or lose bracket-wise, and so on. there's always something to talk about.
That's the reason why staff has had to regurgitate the same message over and over already. Despite people reiterating their issues several times even after having the reasons explained to them, we are all taking "criticism" into consideration. Most people (including staff) need to step back and think from all perspectives before sputtering though.Mr Color wrote:
It just annoys me to hear unfounded criticism over stuff we actually do correctly. It's like people are purposely trying as hard as they can to bitch about something.
We are actually doing as best as we can on this and are trying to improve, but thanks for the criticism.Kanye West wrote:
Now that Aqo mentions it, you guys could incorporate more color commentary (see what I did there?) about the players, teams, maps etc. (Give us a more detailed overview of the map, analyze player strengths, weaknesses etc.) between maps and during lulls in play-by-play. Just some friendly critique.
I'd like to point out that this is wrong; it's the other way around. Several people, including me, have pointed out how the rule is more harmful than beneficial, yet all we got as a response was "you know where the door is" and "we need time to prepare streams." I've argued how this should not be of higher priority to players, but all Makar keeps saying is that he's given his reasons, he is right, and I am not listening.Makar wrote:
Once the 15 minute rule was made people starting complaining about it even after we gave our reasons and they continued to say the same thing. This also led to people complaining about other things (streaming, commentating).
I agree with everything except this part. Staff should give appropriate answers/consideration/whatever no matter how rude others are imo. However, that does not give others the right to go off like that either. Bad attitude should be treated a different way (such as silencing if it continues).Loctav wrote:
I hope this makes stuff more clear now. If the critics ate unfounded and just consist of blaming/accusations about stuff that isn't the case, you get replies as before.
But if you actually stay calm and polite and remove your subtextual "you all suck and fail at everything and never think of us", you get appropriate answers.
Please always keep in mind that you are free to suggest something. But pulling off the "drama card" will make is totallyhomo discard any of your words/
Think of it this way then: If we are not able to have anything finished by the time you are supposed to play, you won't be able to play because nothing will be setup yet and things will be late. We don't do this so we can be lazy, we do this so you are able to play your match in the time that you had asked for. I've never once asked you to quit the tournament.KRZY wrote:
I'd like to point out that this is wrong; it's the other way around. Several people, including me, have pointed out how the rule is more harmful than beneficial, yet all we got as a response was "you know where the door is" and "we need time to prepare streams." I've argued how this should not be of higher priority to players, but all Makar keeps saying is that he's given his reasons, he is right, and I am not listening.Makar wrote:
Once the 15 minute rule was made people starting complaining about it even after we gave our reasons and they continued to say the same thing. This also led to people complaining about other things (streaming, commentating).
I said I'd drop the matter, but his attitude is ridiculous.
iirc peppy said that wasn't allowed, but I honestly don't see why you shouldn't be able to especially if its not streamed (maybe because you can see a possible outcome and if you should pick the map in the real tourny or not?)KRZY wrote:
Will picking maps that are in the map pool for warmup purposes be allowed? If so, will this not interfere with the MP history later on? I've been told by Loctav after last match that, when we were trying to play the tiebreaker map for fun, we should do it in another room because it will make the MP history look confusing. Is this still the concern?
I agree. Meaningful discussion on the topic of the 15 minute rule has become that of 2 or 3 people anyways, would probably keep this thread cleaner if the rest of it is done elsewhere (just give us the discussion results later).XPJ38 wrote:
too much text in this thread
less blahblah, more JB/vikings/baguettes/datBrazilianSingerNobodyKnows/PortugalSucks/etc.
We all know who I am referring to with the door comment.Makar wrote:
Think of it this way then: If we are not able to have anything finished by the time you are supposed to play, you won't be able to play because nothing will be setup yet and things will be late. We don't do this so we can be lazy, we do this so you are able to play your match in the time that you had asked for. I've never once asked you to quit the tournament.