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Drafura
New map to mod : Xelia (Archlade) - Illumiscape

Deif wrote:

Reminder to modders:

The following maps need extra attention.

Not modded yet:
  1. Akira Yamaoka - True [Starry's Catch The Truth]
Modded only once:
  1. 7!! - Lovers (TV Size) [urane's Catch hard]
  2. Ara Potato - Skype x Can Can [CTB Collab]
  3. Kanako Itou - Find the Blue (Short Ver.) [Di-CTB]
  4. KOTOKO - Wing my Way [Hell-Jumping CTB]
  5. Shounen Radio - neu (Long Version) [CLSWTB Extra]
Going to mod all asap.
Faust
That Akira Yamaoka map isn't bad.

It's not focused solely on silly JUMPJUMPJUMP movements that is.
Serval

Faust wrote:

That Akira Yamaoka map isn't bad.

It's not focused solely on silly JUMPJUMPJUMP movements that is.

Get back to AR6 dude, tia.


Also, the map you linked as a "not solely focused on silly jump" has the silliest jumps ever. Bugged jumps. Those one are not the worse bugged jumps cause, you can catch them. But still, it's a pattern that doesn't follow rules. But I guess since it's AR8, you can read it so you're happy.

It's probably not the greatest CTB Diff ever. But I know a lot of good players who love it.

Maybe you're a too old CTB player to appreciate the new maps like that?...
Faust
I felt the pace of the map was appropriate, sure the spacing was perhaps a tad large, but it wasn't excessive to the point of trying too hard to make it feel just "jumpy".

It's especially hard to have much ground-level standards for CtB especially when you try to map for the specific mode solely.
I honestly feel the usual conversion from osu! standard to CtB mode is already all that is needed, so when I go see some CtB maps that just look like they're just made to test how fast I can press my shift button/reflexes it simply downs the whole experience.

I wouldn't use a word such as "terrible" to describe them though, because I realize it's not quite easy. How they play isn't really the issue.

What are we to look for in a "CtB" diff?
What are you looking forward to play?
Surely we have more flexibility in the manipulation of spacing in regards to particular song.

My liking of that map has absolutely nothing to do with me being an older generation player, by the way. I'm not offended or anything.
I myself am a mapper, not to mention I also mod.

Discussion is welcome.
ZHSteven
Are you saying the same map as Faust?
I am the 1st one to mod that map, I can only see 1 bug jump.
I already told the mapper to fix.

Also, personally I like that map.

Edit: Oh, I remembered..that part initially dont have bug jump, but I want the mapper to map that map jumpy, and he(she) make it bug...
My fault...
Faust
Lol..
Serval
Most of popular maps in CTB are AR9. The conversion in CTB is not worse as it is in Taiko. True.

But still, we have hyperdashes. I see hyperdashes as a way of increasing area of playing, to impress a rythm, to make a better flow. It's something you can't do with conversion cause maps with that sort of patterns are : Unplayable or just utterly ugly.

The hyperdashes must be use carefully, it must make sense, but also, in a CTB map, you should have hyperdash, even in a quiet song.

For me, an hyperdash is NOT a jump since you'll almost always catch the next fruit. Hyperdashes should be use to add creativity, flow and such, but it should not be spammed.

A CTB map without hyperdash is, for me, just like a Taiko map without any Kat. Hyperdashes are something that is specific in CTB, we should use it.

Maybe you don't like actuals maps (it's your opinion) but I think the community, or should I say, guys that wanted CTB map ranked in first place wants maps like that. And, like in STD, we can have different mapping styles. And, yes, for me a CTB map should have a lot of horizontal notes.

Having some patterns that are not really horizontals are fine, it allows players to rest. But honestly, you probably know better than me how the CTB was considered for a long time. It has to do with the conversion and standard maps.

I've started CTB "recently" (December 2011) but it took me what, 5 days to FC some insanes? Most people consider the CTB as an easy mini game inside osu!.

While it's true when you play standard maps, it is not when you play CTB maps. I think that if CTB players wanted to have CTB diff, it's also to have more challenge when playing maps that are tailored for the CTB, not for the standard, giving us the opportunity to rise our skills on map that are ranked, to have something interesting to play.

Well, it's just my opinion. We should stop to speak here, this is not an appropriate place for discussions.

Instead we can go here => Catch the Beat Rules/Guidelines Discussion Thread
Topic Starter
Deif
Keep this thread on-topic, guys.

Rearranged OP post to give higher priority to some maps. Hope it's alright.
Drafura
Modded.

Ara Potato - Skype x Can Can I'll mod it when zhsteven mod is applied since it's a pretty long mod.
Hatsune Miku - Venus di Ujung Jari I'll mod it when finished. (If you need advices for it feel free to mp me.)
KOTOKO - Wing my Way [Hell-Jumping CTB] Link down
Shounen Radio - neu (Long Version) [CLSWTB Extra] Link down
Miyamura Yuuko - It's Only the Fairy Tale I'll mod it asap.

Oh and please don't start a war here... afaik the CtB community enjoyed the first CtB diff ranked, the thing is it was an Insane and the map you linked is a hard/normal diff. And yes the Insanes have to be kinda tricky (I don't say absurdly tricky, just tricky... and that's why we mod...). I hope this discution is over here... Cause this thread is for modding and nothing else.
Topic Starter
Deif
The link to Steven's map is fixed. About neu, Spectator has removed the diff from the mapset. That's why it's not included anymore in Pending.
Drafura
Modded.

Hatsune Miku - Venus di Ujung Jari Can you change the section of this map ? this isn't finished.
KOTOKO - Wing my Way Modding asap.
ZHSteven
OK I think I have finished all the maps.....
Maybe I will disappear for several weeks.. For completing my Final year project..
So good luck to everyone~
Topic Starter
Deif
Updated. Good luck, Steven!
Drafura

ZHSteven wrote:

OK I think I have finished all the maps.....
Maybe I will disappear for several weeks.. For completing my Final year project..
So good luck to everyone~
Good luck and thx for the mod :)
arien666
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47265

urane made something again
orz



meow :3
eldnl
Needs someone else to the collab, send me a pm if you want http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45744

btw, why this is not stickie?? :|
ursa
For Ranked Diff :)
Mr. Saturn - Saturn
Revengexsoyah
Nice iniciative
i started to give ctb modding, so if u need some, send me pm in forum


Bye
Drafura

Revengexsoyah wrote:

Nice iniciative
i started to give ctb modding, so if u need some, send me pm in forum


Bye
Everybody who unerstand the ctb rules/guidelines can join the modding queue, just pick some maps in the op post, mod them and report here to help Deif to keep the op post up to date.
Topic Starter
Deif
Moar: Megurine Luka - RIP=RELEASE (Short Ver.)

@Modders: Do as Drafura said :p (though I'll try to double-check the active maps every time I update the OP post).

EDIT: Adding this one as well by request of the mapper: Funta - Wake Up Angel (TV Size). Watch out! There are 2 diffs this time.
Kurokami
I want to be a modder but I'm still not too good. I want to improve a bit and then count me as a modder. ^^
ursa
Specator's CTB diff for approved : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47710 :)

also there's some beatmap that i found in graveyard that maked for CTB diff ( but it not editted) :(
t/47682

also there are so many beatmap with CTB diff but not tagged as CTB when searching :(
Kurokami
One modder on my map wanted from me to take out the "ctb" tag. ._. Stupid mod. :D Well, the "ctb" is already in the diff name, but...
Mercurial
sakuzyo - Delusionist

Hi Team :D

My first finished CtB Diff :)

If anyone could mod it, I'll be very happy n.n


Anyway, maybe I could back to the modding team soon :)
Topic Starter
Deif
Done ^
Devil Cosmo
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/36946 <-- CTB-Hard- has already re-mapped. also added CTB-Insane- for Collab (if you are interested :D)
ZHSteven
Takahashi Hitomi - Aozora no Namida (TV Size)(bossandy)[Steven's CTB]
maybe it is a little bit extreme but..
Thanks for mod~
Topic Starter
Deif

Devil_Cosmo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/36946 <-- CTB-Hard- has already re-mapped. also added CTB-Insane- for Collab (if you are interested :D)
Added to the Not Modded Yet list, as it's a remap.

Also, welcome urs4chan to the team \:D/
Mercurial
/o/

CtB will grow up on you :)
ursa

Deif wrote:

Devil_Cosmo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/36946 <-- CTB-Hard- has already re-mapped. also added CTB-Insane- for Collab (if you are interested :D)
Added to the Not Modded Yet list, as it's a remap.

Also, welcome urs4chan to the team \:D/
(> w <)/ I'll do my best
ZHSteven
Mabinogi - Uroboros 9236(Firce777)[Inferno CTB]
I never thought it will be add into mapset but..
yeah it is for APP, hope to see some mod~
Nitojgrem
Oh, before I forget to mention it, modded Deif's diff on Megurine Luka - RIP=RELEASE (Short Ver.) and started in generell with CtB modding :3
That my mods will be helpful \:D/
Kurokami
I need for this some fast mod since its not my map, just my diff.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48483
Topic Starter
Deif
Modded:

- Takahashi Hitomi - Aozora no Namida (TV Size)
- Mabinogi - Uroboros 9236

I had some free time today =)

Added Nitojgrem to active modders!
Spectator
ursa
Modded Kurokami's CTB diff http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48483 & Devil_Cosmo's beatmap http://osu.ppy.sh/s/36946 :)
eldnl
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/46502

please mod my map :3

Edit: modded devil_cosmos's map.
Topic Starter
Deif
Finally updated the OP:

- Modded Satori de Pon!
- Added spboxer3 to the list of modders. Welcome!

@eldnl: Al menos pon "CTB" delante del nombre de tu diff, para evitar confusiones.

EDIT: The queue will be temporary closed until most of the requests are done, sorry for the inconveniences.
Mercurial
Delusionist has been modded 2 3 times, Deif.
Topic Starter
Deif

iMercurial wrote:

Delusionist has been modded 2 3 times, Deif.
eeyup!
Topic Starter
Deif
Doublepost to say that this map needs quick attention, as the rest of the mapset is worth a bubble: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/43248

I'll mod it today, but I think it'd need at least another mod before it gets ranked (though every extra mod would be welcomed).

Thank you~
Mercurial
Why closed?
Nitojgrem

iMercurial wrote:

Why closed?

Deif wrote:

The queue will be temporary closed until most of the requests are done, sorry for the inconveniences.
Answer enough?^^"

I modded urane's Catch Hard on GReeeeN - Kiseki (Taiko Cut) (it's now a Normal and called Catch Salad when arien has changed it :) )
and urs' Fruit Overdose on Mr. Saturn - Saturn.
^_^
Topic Starter
Deif
Modded Aimai Elegy. It'll need more modding, I'm serious orz
Drafura
Modded via PM request :

Going to mod more maps in the queue very soon (maybe tomorow), It's just.. when I saw this one .. It needs a lot of work. (1h40 for a half mod due to timeline).
Kurokami

Drafura wrote:

(1h40 for a half mod due to timeline).
lol o.o
Drafura
Xelia (Archlade) - Illumiscape Bubbled. Didn't expected a bubble so fast, only modded twice.
Topic Starter
Deif
Updated OP:

- Kurai's map was ranked, and Drafura's bubbled. Congratulations!
- I'll be temporary out of the main modders list, due to some RL issues, but I'll keep on managing the organization of this queue. I hope I can be back at work soon.
eldnl
It is still closed?
Mercurial
I think it is.
Drafura
Drafura
Ylinestra44
Don't know whether it is still closed after... 2-3 months, but I could use some mods on Deif's CTB Diff in the following map.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/57453
I would be very grateful, if someone could look at/mod it.
Mercurial
Deif's Catch the Meat map has been revived after a LOOOOOOOONG rest.

Yey.
Topic Starter
Deif
Re-opened. A few things have already changed, check the OP for more info.
Birdy
gotta make CTB diff for my map just so I can give you something to do
Tenshichan
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/56394

diff name: CTBlization :)
Topic Starter
Deif
Welcome back Nitojgrem!
BinJip
Mercurial
Deif, it will be cool if you add too the Ranked CtB diffs, imo.

BinJip wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/52221

:)
There's no ctb diff, just sayin'.
Topic Starter
Deif
I'm planning to keep it as a modding queue only. A register of ranked diffs should belong to another thread.
Nitojgrem

Deif wrote:

Welcome back Nitojgrem!
Thank you ;_; (you could have told me btw that you reopened the queue >_>)
mana vayne
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/189967
name diff: syaoran's CTB DASH Jump
Topic Starter
Deif
Welcome Kitokofox! Try to mod all the maps you can see in that list, and report here whenever you finish a mod to keep the list up-to-date.

OP has been slightly modified. Check out the last changes!
Kitokofox
Thank you Deif! :)

I'll try my best to get this modding done.

It's fun to help out ^^
Drafura
Ok I gonna mod a bunch of them this w-e.

Btw Deif. You and Niklas already modded it but can you add : IOSYS - Endless Tewi-ma Park. It's close bubbled but Kurosanyan is having a hard time to find XATs (this is going to be worst with o!m ranking), so if anyone have another thing to mod on it (Kito or even any ctb modder who looks this thread) it'll be welcome.
Louis Cyphre
Can i ask just for standard? t/74433
Topic Starter
Deif
@Drafura: Sure, added so Kito can take a look at it.

@Louis: No sorry. It must contain at least 1 CTB diff.
Nitojgrem
Okay, modded Tenshis CTB diff... good work there (for saying that he can't map D:)
/p/1915381
Drafura
Ok all maps I have to mod have a mod to fix or timing to fix. :(
Topic Starter
Deif
Removed Saturn from the list by now, due to a massive remap. urs4chan can request a mod again when it's finished.

Removed Setsuna Trip as well. When it's included in the mapset, it'll be readded here.

@Drafura: Sorry for the one with the timing re-check ;__;
Fumika
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/63901
Just CTB diff (?
Please ;w;
Drafura
Tshemmp
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/54215
If you are in the mood for it you can ofcourse mod the other diffs, too. :3
Topic Starter
Deif
I already modded everything from there! Added to the 2nd row of maps.
Nitojgrem
^Modded that map (Dimrain47 - Forsaken Neon) right now. Link to the mod will be added later (when my modpost isn't bugged anymore ;w;) /p/1916119 here :3

@Deif/Drafura, maybe one of you two can reckeck it or Kito, you just mod it, but I think that map is pretty good now... at least much better than three months ago when I testplayed it :3
Drafura

Nitojgrem wrote:

@Deif/Drafura, maybe one of you two can reckeck it or Kito, you just mod it, but I think that map is pretty good now... at least much better than three months ago when I testplayed it :3
Sure.
coldsoup
Marilyn Manson - This is Halloween
ctb diff (nightmare) pls
DJPop
Kin
Hi ~

sphere - Non stop road (TV Size)
Just CTB diff ~
or if you want you can make full mod \o

Thanks ~
Louis Cyphre
Topic Starter
Deif
@Louis: You'll never learn, right? :I

Other maps added to the list, including Mr. Saturn - Saturn, which remap has been finished (requested by the mapper via forum PM).

We got plenty of job these days: CLOSED by now.
Drafura
Modded.

Nitojgrem wrote:

@Deif/Drafura, maybe one of you two can reckeck it or Kito, you just mod it, but I think that map is pretty good now... at least much better than three months ago when I testplayed it :3
Done.
Topic Starter
Deif
Kitokofox
I will fill this post with a full round of modding.

I'll go mod every map in a full round. I'll start with all the CtB maps, so don't be afraid if the standard maps go left unnoticed. That will be replied to in the thread when I get the time

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/39797 - Mr. Saturn - Saturn [Fruit Overdose]

This map is a generally well-laid out map. It has some nice use of dash and hyper fruits, it's timed properly, had some good settings, and was a challenge to play. One thing that I might want to point out is the general lack of Sliders in the map. 00:24:150 and 01:03:634 are the only little places with sliders. No, there's nothing "wrong" about a lack of sliders, but having very few sliders tends to tear out the value of an SS once you get a full combo. If you add some more sliders (with some fascinating shapes) you make that SS a little more difficult to acquire, and would generally make the map more fun.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/62679 Marilyn Manson - This is Halloween [Nightmare]

There's one very immediate and obvious factor about this map. This is the very common use of long (Maybe even pixel) jumps. I ended up holding dash for sometimes a few seconds straight. This tends to make for an exhausting map. My suggestion would be to insert more of those windy sliders and insert a few more hyperdashes to mix things up a bit! The sliders however were very good, they make getting an SS a challenge, rather than a given along with a full combo. It has good timing though and plays nice overall, though!

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/61868 Suzuki Konomi - DAYS of DASH (TV Size) [syaoran's CTB DASH Jump]

Okay.. So I downloaded this from the topic. I don't know if it saved properly into the BSS or something happened to it. It has an improper offset, but a correct BPM. I found that an offset of 7,547ms worked well for it. As soon as I put in the new offset, it feels like a fairly nice map. Seems relatively easy, got a nice feel to it and has nice sliders in there too. I had to slice off some steps to make it work though, so my thought is that there was too many steps added after the end of the timeline, causing the whole map to get shifted back in the timeline. Here's what I managed to salvage from this, if you want it: http://is.gd/N1yjk4 Even then, there was still some notes after the song was over. You might want to take a look at the sliders in your map, because they have unsnapped ends and reverses in them. This happens when you plot out a map before timing it. Although, I do like the general layout of the map in itself. This map is nice, it just needs some tweaks and fixes here and there.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/64967 Suzuki Konomi - DAYS of DASH (TV Size) [STAC'Rain]

There's a slight problem with the difficulty in this map. It tends to argue between being moderately difficult to very easy time-to-time. Even then, it's a quite easy for the Rain category overall. You might want to make it generally difficult all the way through, and not have one or few hard parts that make it hard alone. It's well times though, and feels generally complete for all but what I listed above.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/57139 sphere - Non stop road (TV Size) [hich's jumpy CTB]

This map actually plays very well, and plays out the nice jump and up-beat that goes along with the map. I liked the layout, and the sliders give a nice contrast to the otherwise jumpy nature. It's well timed, has an overall difficulty, fully 100%-able too. The only concern I have is how easy an SS can be obtained after an FC, since the sliders are simple. This map, as far as I see it, is good to go. Great job!

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/57293 Hatsune Miku, Megurine Luka - Distorted Princess (Cut Ver.) [CTB Rain]

I remember this map, MeGl. I remember playing it, and watching you play it when I was new. Well, now I'm about to make a full out analasys on it. For one thing, I liked how you used the dash to let the player really feel the beat of the song. The beginning feels a slight bit repetitive. There's nothing very wrong about it being like this, but it can take away the re-playability of the map. It also feels slightly empty (When compared to the end, moreso) The AR of the map may make some jumps difficult to see, so you may need to consider that. A way you can combat that is to put a note or two to lead the player to the right path. All this doesn't affect the map getting approved though, it's well timed, well plotted out, has a nice rhythm sense to it, and plays smoothly. Good job!

**More to come**
Kurokami
@Kitokofox Why here? O.o Every beatmap have its own thread you know...
Topic Starter
Deif
Posting your thoughts about the current maps included in the queue in this thread doesn't make much sense. The point is making modposts in the threads of the songs, so the mappers can see them directly there, and they could give their feedback with changes/kudosu, etc
Topic Starter
Deif
Doublepost! Let's re-open this and try to remove as much maps from the list as possible!

Adding my last CTB here to be modded: Zwei - Inanna No Mita Yume
Nitojgrem
^I'll mod this then this weekend if I have time for it :3
And I just want to throw in Stefan's Map ZUN - Because Princess Inada is Scolding Me with my CTB Map. I know that you Deif and Drafura already modded that map ut maybe you dinf time to recheck it? (although nothing/not much has changed, but noone fuck'ng wants to mod it Q_Q (and it seems like that XATs look for "verification" or so that it's ok/good/needs still mods because they can't judge it on their own D:))
Up to you Deif, if you add it or not.
Note: It's a jumpy diff >: (it got mentioned 4 times but.... well... >_>")
Topic Starter
Deif
I've post my thoughts about it in the thread a few minutes ago. Seriously... I wouldn't touch anything of it.
Drafura

Nitojgrem wrote:

I know that you Deif and Drafura already modded that map ut maybe you dinf time to recheck it?
Planned.
Topic Starter
Deif
Removed Distorted Princess, as it got graveyarded. The mapper will be able to request it again when the map gets revived.

Is anybody here...? :|
Drafura
Yes, yes :( I'm kinda busy with Oriens (each times I open it to fix combos & HS I find new patterns to fix on it) and I'm making a guest diff for another mapper. I'll try to mod some this week when I have time.
Topic Starter
Deif
@Niklas: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/65855 gogogogo
Drafura
Finally done.
Topic Starter
Deif
Loooctav
Mod Request Please!!!
t/109380
I ask you to do me in Spanish please, but only if they can, if not it does not matter
Taiko and make mods, CTB and Standard ..
THANKS!
Topic Starter
Deif
New modders are welcomed! Check out the OP for more info.
Kin
Hi

My 1st ctb map ~
But WIP is ok ? (for ranking)
If yes :

Risa Taneda - Wareta Ringo (TV Size) [CTB Platter]
Only ctb mod please

thanks ~
irenechung98
Hello :3

Song : T-Pistonz+KMC - Jounetsu de Mune Atsu! (TV Size)

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59023

It's a standard map but is it ok?
I hope so :0
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