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G0r
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G0r
Wow... I wake up to find that this thread became a monster while I was asleep. XD

Anyway, I read what everyone is saying, and aside from thinking it's super cool that everyone is taking this so seriously for you (which I understand, since you genuinely look like you could be a good player with more time and proper settings), I have something that I want to share. This is my story of learning to play Osu!.

I personally began playing Osu with a crappy mouse that I could barely control. I played hard, and I got to probably somewhere around your skill level, maybe a little better. I finally got a Deathadder gaming mouse, because it became apparent to me that I was spending so much time on this game that I obviously wanted to take it to the next level with some more precise tools. I started with that mouse. When I first began with it, I knew that the common knowledge was that low DPI is better, but somehow every time that I tried to set my DPI to 800, which is the common DPI that most pros use, I felt like it was impossible to play... so I started experimenting with setting it higher. I went up, up, up, until I was using 2000 DPI, and each time I went up I felt like I was playing better, and gaining control over my mouse. This was, in fact, an illusion. What I was gaining was more movement for less effort. Since my muscles weren't honed enough to handle some of the fast movements that I needed to play insane maps, I was feeling like I was playing better because my small efforts were being rewarded with dramatic movement and speed. This, however, made me terribly inaccurate, and my aim was not very good. I was still improving, though! I was steadily getting better and better from long hours of practice and fun. However, as I improved, and as my muscles got better, I started to see the error of my ways... I felt that it was taking so much muscle control and strain to control my mouse that sometimes I was sure I'd develop carpal tunnel eventually. It became impossible to tense my muscles enough to play the maps that I wanted to play. That is when I realized that I had to drop my DPI. I was at a skill level that was high enough that I could physically feel the need for it. I slowly started moving my DPI down. I went down, down, down, and every time I did it I felt like I was getting worse at the game, because my mouse felt harder and harder to move the way that I wanted to move it. At this point in time I was using something like 700 DPI. But then something cool happened... I started playing better... As I practiced more with lower DPI, my muscles began to understand what they needed to do with it, and I got better so quickly that I could feel the improvement every day. I got so good that I actually surpassed my previous skill level that I had when I was using 2000 DPI. I surpassed it by miles. At that point I noticed, however, that I was still feeling just a little off. I felt like I was still straining my hand, but now it was because I felt that getting to the very top and bottom of the screen was difficult for me. I finally decided that I wanted to go up to a nice rounded 800 DPI. I made that change, and I immediately felt better. It didn't feel like I was straining to do anything, and I didn't feel like it was too easy on my muscles either. It was just right for me. I've sometimes thought about going lower again, but the fact is that I probably never will, because now I am probably five times better than I ever was when I was using 700 DPI, and I might even be ten times better than I was with 2000 DPI. I can safely say that for the moment I have no plans to ever change from 800 until it becomes impossible for me to improve further at that setting.

Long story short, it took me a few months to get down to 700 DPI. It took me maybe one month to get back up to 800 and surpass my previous skill when I was on 700. Keep ramping it down, and play until you feel the difference. It's not going to be fast. it may take months. Just give it a real chance. The very least thing that you will get is a better understanding of how DPI effects your hand and your play.

Edit: I forgot to add that a couple months ago I got a Steelseries QCK+ mouse pad. Wow... It's good... Lol. Think about your playing surface too, as you get better. K. I'm done, I promise. XD
thelewa
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thelewa
By the gods, WHAT IS THAT?
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r

thelewa wrote:

By the gods, WHAT IS THAT?
Rofl, Lewa. XD I get carried away. Hehe.
Milkshake
532 posts
Joined August 2011
Milkshake
it's huge

G0r wrote:

Wow... I wake up to find that this thread became a monster while I was asleep. XD

Anyway, I read what everyone is saying, and aside from thinking it's super cool that everyone is taking this so seriously for you (which I understand, since you genuinely look like you could be a good player with more time and proper settings), I have something that I want to share. This is my story of learning to play Osu!.

I personally began playing Osu with a crappy mouse that I could barely control. I played hard, and I got to probably somewhere around your skill level, maybe a little better. I finally got a Deathadder gaming mouse, because it became apparent to me that I was spending so much time on this game that I obviously wanted to take it to the next level with some more precise tools. I started with that mouse. When I first began with it, I knew that the common knowledge was that low DPI is better, but somehow every time that I tried to set my DPI to 800, which is the common DPI that most pros use, I felt like it was impossible to play... so I started experimenting with setting it higher. I went up, up, up, until I was using 2000 DPI, and each time I went up I felt like I was playing better, and gaining control over my mouse. This was, in fact, an illusion. What I was gaining was more movement for less effort. Since my muscles weren't honed enough to handle some of the fast movements that I needed to play insane maps, I was feeling like I was playing better because my small efforts were being rewarded with dramatic movement and speed. This, however, made me terribly inaccurate, and my aim was not very good. I was still improving, though! I was steadily getting better and better from long hours of practice and fun. However, as I improved, and as my muscles got better, I started to see the error of my ways... I felt that it was taking so much muscle control and strain to control my mouse that sometimes I was sure I'd develop carpal tunnel eventually. It became impossible to tense my muscles enough to play the maps that I wanted to play. That is when I realized that I had to drop my DPI. I was at a skill level that was high enough that I could physically feel the need for it. I slowly started moving my DPI down. I went down, down, down, and every time I did it I felt like I was getting worse at the game, because my mouse felt harder and harder to move the way that I wanted to move it. At this point in time I was using something like 700 DPI. But then something cool happened... I started playing better... As I practiced more with lower DPI, my muscles began to understand what they needed to do with it, and I got better so quickly that I could feel the improvement every day. I got so good that I actually surpassed my previous skill level that I had when I was using 2000 DPI. I surpassed it by miles. At that point I noticed, however, that I was still feeling just a little off. I felt like I was still straining my hand, but now it was because I felt that getting to the very top and bottom of the screen was difficult for me. I finally decided that I wanted to go up to a nice rounded 800 DPI. I made that change, and I immediately felt better. It didn't feel like I was straining to do anything, and I didn't feel like it was too easy on my muscles either. It was just right for me. I've sometimes thought about going lower again, but the fact is that I probably never will, because now I am probably five times better than I ever was when I was using 700 DPI, and I might even be ten times better than I was with 2000 DPI. I can safely say that for the moment I have no plans to ever change from 800 until it becomes impossible for me to improve further at that setting.

Long story short, it took me a few months to get down to 700 DPI. It took me maybe one month to get back up to 800 and surpass my previous skill when I was on 700. Keep ramping it down, and play until you feel the difference. It's not going to be fast. it may take months. Just give it a real chance. The very least thing that you will get is a better understanding of how DPI effects your hand and your play.

Edit: I forgot to add that a couple months ago I got a Steelseries QCK+ mouse pad. Wow... It's good... Lol. Think about your playing surface too, as you get better. K. I'm done, I promise. XD

i searched for tl;dr line but THERE'S NO TL;DR
xsrsbsns
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xsrsbsns
Use plain backgrounds. I personally use grey.
thelewa
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thelewa

xsrsbsns wrote:

Use plain backgrounds. I personally use grey.
No.

NO.

People won't be able to delete or change the BG in like a few months anyway so it's better to use the dim option than to shoot yourself in the leg by getting used to playing with no BGs
xsrsbsns
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xsrsbsns

thelewa wrote:

it's better to use the dim option
Fair enough, to TS: do this.
CXu
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CXu
Have fun, that's the best way for improvement.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
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[CSGA]Ar3sgice
Go to edit mode and change normal/hard diff name to insane
silmarilen
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silmarilen

Raging Bull wrote:

Well I suck at insanes now compared to before but if you can, try playing some val maps. They're pretty fun and quite challenging.
he barely learned to swim and you're telling him to jump into a whirlpool
please, this person is having trouble with insanes, dont tell him to play maps that 90% of the people cant even play.
G0r
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Joined September 2011
G0r

silmarilen wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Well I suck at insanes now compared to before but if you can, try playing some val maps. They're pretty fun and quite challenging.
he barely learned to swim and you're telling him to jump into a whirlpool
please, this person is having trouble with insanes, dont tell him to play maps that 90% of the people cant even play.
I had this reaction too.
Wishy
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Wishy

thelewa wrote:

xsrsbsns wrote:

Use plain backgrounds. I personally use grey.
No.

NO.

People won't be able to delete or change the BG in like a few months anyway so it's better to use the dim option than to shoot yourself in the leg by getting used to playing with no BGs
I'm guesssing when they do that 99% of good/decent players gonna quit. xd
lolcubes
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lolcubes
Don't really see why honestly. I used to delete a BG sometimes because some maps just have a too detailed background which is horribly distracting for me, but with the new dim feature you can dim it by so much that you barely even notice that there is a background in the first place.
kriers
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kriers

CXu wrote:

Have fun, that's the best way for improvement.
Try forever to beat ths guy (FL not included, because impossibru) and you will get good at anything! /o/
Wishy
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Wishy

lolcubes wrote:

Don't really see why honestly. I used to delete a BG sometimes because some maps just have a too detailed background which is horribly distracting for me, but with the new dim feature you can dim it by so much that you barely even notice that there is a background in the first place.
Many players use custom BGs (grey, etc), and then again many more use a PLAIN black backgrounds, this game will need a background toggle, hope peppy adds it. :(
thelewa
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thelewa
Wishy have you even tried the dim option? I used to delete EVERY BG I could find, I played for like a year without BGs. The dim feature is so good that it's the same as having no BG (well not the same but playing feels like the same because I can concentrate on the circles instead of the BG). I can even play HR with it.
Wishy
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Wishy
Yes I did, but deleting it is still better. Plus I play some maps on a grey backgrounds because of retarded hit colors.
thelewa
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thelewa
The combo colours problem will be solved in the next build edit: I read wrong, anyway there's going to be a colourblind mode that changes the combo colours into something that contrasts with the BG, at least I read peppy say that in Feature Requests

there's literally no justification to deleting BGs anymore
kriers
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kriers
Deleting BGs was SOOO 2011 :V
Wishy
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Wishy

thelewa wrote:

The combo colours problem will be solved in the next build edit: I read wrong, anyway there's going to be a colourblind mode that changes the combo colours into something that contrasts with the BG, at least I read peppy say that in Feature Requests

there's literally no justification to deleting BGs anymore
As I said, no BG still feels better.
CXu
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CXu
Nope, because black bg is boooring :V
Fai-Chii
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Fai-Chii
Some Flash on BG make me dizzing :(
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

silmarilen wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Well I suck at insanes now compared to before but if you can, try playing some val maps. They're pretty fun and quite challenging.
he barely learned to swim and you're telling him to jump into a whirlpool
please, this person is having trouble with insanes, dont tell him to play maps that 90% of the people cant even play.
I'm not telling him to jump to the insane difficulty, but maps made by val. Maybe I should have been more specific.
D33d
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D33d
Personally, I wouldn't recommend val maps to anybody. Just practice with enjoyable hard difficulties until they're perfect. Try playing normal/hard with mods as well.

Also, get used to a lower DPI setting and learn to move your arm more. It's more steady and more ergonomic. I use a Logitech G9x with an ID Grip at 300dpi. It makes it harder to twitch with jumps, but I don't play maps with senseless jumps and it's actually easier to control my mouse when I hit jumps. I'm not a great player at all, but I can still play with some degree of competence.

Also, on a slightly unrelated note, I honestly think that anything that makes the background less distracting should be housed within a difficulty reduction mod, because they make a map easier. I want to see excellent players manage to SS maps as they were originally intended.
hinamizawan
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hinamizawan
I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
thelewa
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thelewa

makkura wrote:

I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
lolno

you're silly
Tom69_old
Tom69_old

thelewa wrote:

The combo colours problem will be solved in the next build edit: I read wrong, anyway there's going to be a colourblind mode that changes the combo colours into something that contrasts with the BG, at least I read peppy say that in Feature Requests

there's literally no justification to deleting BGs anymore
If this is actually going to be implemented I won't even be complaining inside my own head anymore.


Btw, accuracy doesn't suck per se if you practice only by trying to pass impossible maps. I did that, and it worked out pretty well... and fast. :)
(As long as you actually try to get a good accuracy. Even if one can't pass a map one should still always try to understand and hit the rythm perfectly.)
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hinamizawan
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hinamizawan

thelewa wrote:

makkura wrote:

I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
lolno

you're silly
what's so retarded about a no bg/sb option?
Frizz
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Frizz
About accuracy, I've been improving at it lately ever since I started playing HR. I tend to get >97% accuracy on easy Insanes and even >99% sometimes, usually maps with AR9 and OD7 though. I guess that's because I'm starting to get used to high OD, wonder if anyone experienced the same thing as me.
TocoToucan
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TocoToucan

Aqo wrote:

Also, refer to my signature and try out all of the maps with "SP" in their 'style' on the listing, this will help you train spacing accuracy. If you couldn't pass a map on first try, use nofail on the second run, don't just retry a million times because that's just a waste of time. Play it once and move on to other maps, return to it much later once you got better.
I tried some beatmaps from your list and I failed them as fast as Sacrifice. Too fast for me :(
hinamizawan
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hinamizawan
Try to rankwhore, it will improve your skills a lot.
jesse1412
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jesse1412

makkura wrote:

Try to rankwhore, it will improve your skills a lot.
Don't do this too much. It's how people get stuck on the easier insane maps, people start to believe because they are ranking maps they should be pro but the fact is they are simply playing easy to rank maps and not pushing themselves. It's good in moderation.
Milkshake
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Milkshake

thelewa wrote:

makkura wrote:

I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
lolno

you're silly
silmarilen
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silmarilen
hi milbitch
WASSHOI
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WASSHOI
I was making good progress on my hards and feeling more like I was transitioning to insanes. Then I got a tablet today. I feel like I'm back to day 1 trying to get used to it, but I suppose that's to be expected. It's not like I'll be pro at using a tablet the day I take it out the box, I expected I'd take a while to adjust to it. But now I'm just practicing normals again to get used to the feel of a tablet and feelin like it's a step down.

Inspiration, anyone? How long did it take you to get used to the switch from mouse to tablet.
Wishy
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Wishy
1 day or 2 at most, worst possible scenario = a week or two.

Try playing maps that involve a lot of cursor movement, it should be quite fast, like you gonna see huge changes in a few hours. Use No Fail if necessary.
WASSHOI
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WASSHOI

Wishy22 wrote:

1 day or 2 at most, worst possible scenario = a week or two.

Try playing maps that involve a lot of cursor movement, it should be quite fast, like you gonna see huge changes in a few hours. Use No Fail if necessary.

Well I can say I see a noticeable improvement in how my tablet handles jumps and I'm slowly getting my accuracy back. I'll try moving to hards again in about an hour or so.

Edit - Also, how2spin faster with tablet? On Mouse I worked around a technique to spin pretty fast, tablet is going half the speed right now.
Sonez_old
Sonez_old
Learned tablet by day 2.

Try to spin really small circles near the middle of the spinner.
Sorun
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Sorun

WASSHOI wrote:

I was making good progress on my hards and feeling more like I was transitioning to insanes. Then I got a tablet today. I feel like I'm back to day 1 trying to get used to it, but I suppose that's to be expected. It's not like I'll be pro at using a tablet the day I take it out the box, I expected I'd take a while to adjust to it. But now I'm just practicing normals again to get used to the feel of a tablet and feelin like it's a step down.

Inspiration, anyone? How long did it take you to get used to the switch from mouse to tablet.
Well it only took me a few hours before I started getting back up to the level of my mouse it just felt natural, insanes are somewhat easier, but I couldn't seem to hover or spin good with full area so I experimented with portion after a few days on full and did about 80% of the full area. Everything felt much more easier, spinning was consistent, I rarely dragged the tip, and jumps felt a lot more easier. Though everything felt perfect at portion I decided to go back to full since every comment I read says it's best to learn full area in the long run, even friends who use portion recommended I play full. So here I am today adjusted back to full area which felt extremely slow at the beginning, but i'm now used to it except for spinning, it's so damn slow.

Anyone have tips for hovering? Or is it the same ole practice makes perfect for me?

Oh and I got this tablet a few days ago from a friend, I did order a tablet from amazon, but it got stolen or tracking misplaced it idk haha. Thanks DNK777
Wishy
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Wishy

WASSHOI wrote:

Wishy22 wrote:

1 day or 2 at most, worst possible scenario = a week or two.

Try playing maps that involve a lot of cursor movement, it should be quite fast, like you gonna see huge changes in a few hours. Use No Fail if necessary.

Well I can say I see a noticeable improvement in how my tablet handles jumps and I'm slowly getting my accuracy back. I'll try moving to hards again in about an hour or so.

Edit - Also, how2spin faster with tablet? On Mouse I worked around a technique to spin pretty fast, tablet is going half the speed right now.
You'll develop a technique, eventually, and easily spin over 400.
thelewa
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thelewa
Spinning with a tablet uses different muscles and that's why it takes time to get used to it for most people
kriers
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kriers

thelewa wrote:

Spinning with a tablet uses different muscles and that's why it takes time to get used to it for most people
not really. I can spin 450+ with tablet. I just don't use a tablet.

U mad?
darkmiz
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darkmiz
The real way to increase cursor precision:
mouse player: set DPI lower than 800, 6/11 and disable mouse precision in windows, and 1.0 in game.
tablet player: use full area (pen mode).
That's all.
Oh, and don't forget to delete dim the backgrounds while playing HR or HD.
CXu
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CXu
To hell with full area.
-Athena-
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-Athena-

darkmiz wrote:

The real way to increase cursor precision:
mouse player: set DPI lower than 800, 6/11 and disable mouse precision in windows, and 1.0 in game.
tablet player: use full area (pen mode).
That's all.
The truth.

I use 900 though, found it OK for me.

Unless you have a large screen, then you might need higher DPI.
Frizz
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Frizz
You guys really should try 400dpi, it's really great \o/
thelewa
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thelewa

CXu wrote:

To hell with full area.
Full area isn't that great, been playing with it for like a year and my cursor accuracy sucks balls

you're either accurate from the start or you'll NEVER be accurate no matter how hard you'll try

kriers wrote:

thelewa wrote:

Spinning with a tablet uses different muscles and that's why it takes time to get used to it for most people
not really. I can spin 450+ with tablet. I just don't use a tablet.

U mad?
Not really a big surprise that I can't do something that others can
Valentiino
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Valentiino
Full area is more fun to play imo, but still didn't receive a huge increase in cursor control by doing so. Altough, I'v only been using it for 1 month now (~4k plays)
laport
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laport
try full area + full screen if not already
Wishy
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Wishy
I wanted to try full screen but my screen is kind of too close for that, and it's quite big so it's a no go for me. :(
WASSHOI
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WASSHOI
Using full area seems a bit difficult for me, maybe since I'm already more accustomed to using a portion already. I dislike moving my wrist a little extra. Is it that much of a difference? I haven't taken off too much of the pen area, just reduced it slightly.
JAKACHAN
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JAKACHAN

thelewa wrote:

Full area isn't that great

Not really a big surprise that I can't do something that others can

CXu wrote:

To hell with full area.
JAKANYAN says hi =3
Tsukimi Luna
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Tsukimi Luna

darkmiz wrote:

tablet player: use full area (pen mode).
Well full area sucks ass imo

But in the end its really just personal preference....
D33d
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D33d

Frizz925 wrote:

You guys really should try 400dpi, it's really great \o/
I use 500DPI and it's stable enough, without restricting me too much. It lets me traverse 1,920 pixels with about four inches of movement. I only find myself running out of space when a map doesn't use enough of the screen and keeps pushing me in one direction without enough breaks. In my opinion, that's just a bad map.
silmarilen
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silmarilen
i still dont know what this whole DPI stuff is and where i can find mine
G0r
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G0r

silmarilen wrote:

i still dont know what this whole DPI stuff is and where i can find mine
If you have a gaming mouse, then the drivers that you can download for it will allow you to change the DPI settings, along with some other features.
Jordan
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Jordan

darkmiz wrote:

The real way to increase cursor precision:
mouse player: set DPI lower than 800, 6/11 and disable mouse precision in windows, and 1.0 in game.
THAT'S THE TRUTH and set mouse polling rate to 1000 Hz too!
HakuNoKaemi
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HakuNoKaemi
you REALLY should wait sometime.

For some people it's easier to get to Insanes, for some is Harder.

Everybody got his rates, and you can't get better from one moment to another.

Having a better Mouse/Tablet/Keyboard/PC/Settings can help, but the first one to accept your rates should be you.

I'm still not accepting my "rates" in many many things
silmarilen
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silmarilen
mhh ok. apparently i play with 1750 dpi, so i dont see whats with all the "play with as low dpi as possible" stuff because i can play insanes just fine.
lolcubes
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lolcubes
It's personal preference. Lower DPI is more rewarding because of a smaller margin for error when trying to hit something, but it's also harder to move as you have to move more (which usually goes away with training and hand strength). Some people prefer 400, some 800 (I prefer 800) and some 1600~2000. Everyone is different. :)
ztrot
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ztrot
I use 1600 and I still can't play insane well insane insanes
Aqo
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Aqo
It doesn't feel as much on CS4; even on CS5. But on something like CS5+HR... high dpi is hard man

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48667 Another + HR -> 400dpi = easy, 1600dpi = you can do this!?
silmarilen
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silmarilen

Aqo wrote:

It doesn't feel as much on CS4; even on CS5. But on something like CS5+HR... high dpi is hard man

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48667 Another + HR -> 400dpi = easy, 1600dpi = you can do this!?
no i cant because fucking AR10
TocoToucan
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Topic Starter
TocoToucan

Aqo wrote:

It doesn't feel as much on CS4; even on CS5. But on something like CS5+HR... high dpi is hard man

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48667 Another + HR -> 400dpi = easy, 1600dpi = you can do this!?
Can you make a live video with 400 dpi? I can't even imagine how the hand should move with so low DPI.
whymeman
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Usually, playing intense level maps and up requires you to "keep your cool" even more. Just some simple mistakes/habits can make it a living hell. Well, here's my thoughts on how one can improve by putting these into consideration....

1.) Tensing up too much during game play => WILL wear you out fast and gives your hands a very unpleasant feeling after a few plays. This can also slow down your reaction time and accuracy [from moving too stiffly].

2.) Panic or getting nervous during game play => This can screw you up badly with accuracy and focus if you crack under unnecessary pressure. Being too nervous can increase the rate of mistimed hits and cause you to aim all over the place since you're not able to properly focus and control the cursor. This can also make you too tense, decreasing your performance even more.

3.) Large amounts of focus on so little area => Putting too much focus on just 1/4 of the area of the playfield could make you "blind" or unaware of the next set of notes or jumps, making it feel more unexpected than being mentally prepared for it. Being taken by surprise can also make you feel more nervous.

4.) Playing in rage => If the map is kicking you in the rear, come back to it later and play other maps. Playing upset won't help and only makes you burn yourself out quicker.

5.) Put yourself in the mapper's shoes => Learning the mapper's base style used for creating beatmaps can help you focus better by knowing what you're up against. Also, learning more about the song itself can help you point out the beats used more accurately.
thelewa
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thelewa
What you just said is the best reply in this thread.

I vouch for everything you said, because it's 100% true

edit: what you said is so wise that I'm going to start following those instructions myself

/thread

TocoToucan wrote:

Aqo wrote:

It doesn't feel as much on CS4; even on CS5. But on something like CS5+HR... high dpi is hard man

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48667 Another + HR -> 400dpi = easy, 1600dpi = you can do this!?
Can you make a live video with 400 dpi? I can't even imagine how the hand should move with so low DPI.
lolcubes
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lolcubes

whymeman wrote:

5.) Put yourself in the mapper's shoes => Learning the mapper's base style used for creating beatmaps can help you focus better by knowing what you're up against. Also, learning more about the song itself can help you point out the beats used more accurately.
But, but, I am the mapper on a map I just can't FC no matter what, and the map is fairly easy.
:(
Wishy
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Wishy
Same shit here, I made just one map and it is completely impossible for me to get a good run on it. :*(
Aqo
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Aqo

TocoToucan wrote:

Can you make a live video with 400 dpi? I can't even imagine how the hand should move with so low DPI.
Dunno if kriers uses 400 dpi atm, but you can check his youtube channel for good mouse plays. (lewa linked it for you)

But since you asked, here:

this is what 400dpi looks like. I only started playing mouse+kb+400dpi this week so I'm pretty very bad at it... don't take these bad plays as an example for what this playstyle can do. Movement just feels so accurate with this, it's way good; just need to get used to it. (swapped from mouse-only to mouse+kb due to practicing a ton of streaming lately... for the left hand. so yeah)
those
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those
kriers 450, iirc
boat
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boat
What should I do to be able play Insanes? :'(]
play better
TocoToucan
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Topic Starter
TocoToucan

boat wrote:

What should I do to be able play Insanes? :'(]
play better
Your post is very useful, thanks a lot.
Wishy
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Wishy
boat's post is probably the best answer you've been given.
WASSHOI
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WASSHOI

boat wrote:

What should I do to be able play Insanes? :'(]
play better
Would it help if I download more RAM?
TocoToucan
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Topic Starter
TocoToucan
I played a few days and I had a few questions.
1) I can play ~150 bpm beatmaps, but I usually fail beatmaps with bpm = ~160-170 and higher(Their speed is uncomfortable for me.). What should I do? Should I play ~150 bpm beatmaps until I will be able to pass them without serious mistakes, or this method is wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUKKV0kdruk (150 bpm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PokX0UxepvM (179 bpm. I do not know whether it is important, but I can FC [Hard] of this beatmap.)

2) I don't know what to do with streams. I don't understand how fast should I move my cursor and how fast should I tap keys.(This applies to all beatmaps without reference to BMP). What should I do?



3) How do I know, if there is any progress or not? (I mean progress in general, this question isn't about streams)

== Maybe this is important: DPI = 1400 (I tried 400, 800, 1200, 1400, 1600. I think 1400 is the most comfortable for me.) ==
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G0r
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G0r
You won't know if you're progressing by using that horrible program. You'll see your progress when you start completing streams, and then completing them with all 300s.
Frizz
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Frizz
Also, accuracy > speed
TocoToucan
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TocoToucan

Frizz925 wrote:

Also, accuracy > speed
I noticed that accuracy is very important. But I can't play 160+ bpm Insanes with required accuracy. I feel uncomfortable because of the speed.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

TocoToucan wrote:

Frizz925 wrote:

Also, accuracy > speed
I noticed that accuracy is very important. But I can't play 160+ bpm Insanes with required accuracy. I feel uncomfortable because of the speed.
just play, when I started, I thought "Wow, I'll never play Bad Apple on Insane, it's so hard" or "I'll never pass Marisa wa Taihen na Mono wo Nusunde Ikimashita, it's so friggin hard". but now, I can play both with no problem, and so I can play many insanes up to 180 BPM, atleast if they are not that hard (no gold dust or masterpiece and stuff like that). with the right amount of practice, motivation, and a little bit of luck, you will shortly fc insanes without any problems.
Kanye West
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Kanye West
kriers is that a pillow on top of your 2nd monitor
Icyteru
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Icyteru
Play with AR >=8, you will fail the first three thousand plays, but trust me, by then, you can finish most insanes, oh and you gotta not give a shit about your profile with the 50% accuracy you will get for the first 2 months of playing. What's the fun in playing osu! if you can FC everything? When I started, I only played insanes, and it's really challenging (no fail mod).
Though now, I'm playing with mods and only mod possible on insane for me is hidden, and even then, it's hard so I practise on hards and normals. Also, don't worry if your profile shows accuracy of 50%.

Examples: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24325 - Lunatic, Can't defeat Airman - Play this on half time though cause this is for patterns, AR 10 is not worth the time, and there aren't many ranked maps that have AR 10.

By getting used to AR of 7 or more early, you can essentially read every pattern in every insane, which is your road to becoming a cookiezi and impressing your friends.

Also, another tip is to always alternate your keyboard keys, or otherwise, alternate on triplets and streams if alternating everything is too hard.

Disclaimer: This strategy is not for the casual player, it's for those with heaps of patience and ability to never give up. Also, if you are planning to play normals or easy in the future, the slow AR is impossible where you will need HR + DT to read it. My friends can SS hards, but can't even survive 5 seconds into insanes. My other friend can FC insanes, but can't FC hards. They both have same amount of time played. Now you decide which is better.
kriers
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kriers

Kanye West wrote:

kriers is that a pillow on top of your 2nd monitor
YES
Milkshake
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Milkshake
THE SUN IS SO OP
NEED MOAR PILLOWS
eins_zwei_drei
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eins_zwei_drei
I am in the same situation , :(
Some insane i can pass but others are imposible for me
TocoToucan
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TocoToucan
A month passed, but I'm still lowskilled noob(I don't see any improvements. I'm still the same newbie like 1 month ago.). Can anybody from this forum explain me what I do wrong? What do I need to pay attention to and what I need to work on?

Some beatmaps which I can pass, but they are quite difficult for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSfdkAd0mwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3g_4UndAEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk02ALc2Xj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE322j0Akr4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3rD7n_82qI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTieevxU5YQ

Some beatmaps which I still can't play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUllQAOgvmw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdsSGpw5Qq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQawdu8wSUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFymzvcAYZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtWIea1Dwso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9UEV0DBQd4
Liut
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Liut
@TocoToucan just keep working on your finger speed/endurance
i was/i am my self a person who couldn't stream at all , and i won't lie at you, some person just suck with stream and always will BUT after all this time playing i noticed that yes , i still suck at 180+ bpm long stream but i can clear even some 200+ bpm short stream wich is pretty good since not all beatmaps have long stream...
SO keep practicing and you will obtain something in the future !
Icyteru
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Icyteru
:lol:

TocoToucan wrote:

A month passed, but I'm still lowskilled noob(I don't see any improvements. I'm still the same newbie like 1 month ago.). Can anybody from this forum explain me what I do wrong? What do I need to pay attention to and what I need to work on?

Some beatmaps which I can pass, but they are quite difficult for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSfdkAd0mwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3g_4UndAEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk02ALc2Xj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE322j0Akr4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3rD7n_82qI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTieevxU5YQ

Some beatmaps which I still can't play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUllQAOgvmw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdsSGpw5Qq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQawdu8wSUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFymzvcAYZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtWIea1Dwso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9UEV0DBQd4
Seems like your problem is pattern reading. Try playing on hidden.
BlazingFX
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BlazingFX
I never liked hidden. I still can't play it. (FC anyway) haha
JFRN
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JFRN
your problem is you can't see the patterns, but you can read it (i think), try playing with Easy or Half Time, to practice that, I had the same problem, but now i can do some insanes, i stream 180BPM+
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