Something like this beatmapBlazingFX wrote:
By the way, what AR are you comfortable playing/able to read?
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28240
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxMGUqz-6zY
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What should I do to be able play Insanes? :'(
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http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28240
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxMGUqz-6zY
I started by trying to pass anything I thought I had no chance on. I find FC'ing maps is nowhere near as fun as passing something you find almost impossible. My play history kinda reflects this. For example after a week of trying to pass imademo[lunatic] with DT I finally managed it. The following weeks I passed it many times and it felt way easier. Probably the most obvious map I improved on was ascension to heaven. Before it was approved I found passing in itself rather challenging however now I have FCed it. Really it all just takes time and determination. After passing a map with certain confusing patterns other maps with the same patterns will become easier.
Pros: Maps I couldn't pass were generally very streamy and as such my streaming ability is above average. Also because the maps which I couldn't pass were quite commonly DT maps I was able to adjust to AR10 without too many problems and to a degree AR11 (not perfect but ALOT better than I used to be).
Cons: jumps and accuracy have only just started to catch up to my stream level. Some maps which I tried are almost impossible now because I'm so used to moving the cursor wrong I constantly do it despite the fact that the map should feel rather easy (screw you homework crisis)
Oh one more thing: try to look at the notes you are moving to. This seems to help with jumps.
Pros: Maps I couldn't pass were generally very streamy and as such my streaming ability is above average. Also because the maps which I couldn't pass were quite commonly DT maps I was able to adjust to AR10 without too many problems and to a degree AR11 (not perfect but ALOT better than I used to be).
Cons: jumps and accuracy have only just started to catch up to my stream level. Some maps which I tried are almost impossible now because I'm so used to moving the cursor wrong I constantly do it despite the fact that the map should feel rather easy (screw you homework crisis)
Oh one more thing: try to look at the notes you are moving to. This seems to help with jumps.
Toco,
this is super important
this is the most important thing you're going to hear
people already told you this but I'll say this again
LOWER YOUR DPI
When I started osu I played mouse with high dpi and I wasn't able to go past hards,
then started tablet and suddenly everything easy
then tried out mouse with 800dpi and suddenly I'm better with mouse than tablet (wtf)
still can't beat my best score on the big black that I got with mouse when I play with tablet, ugh
LOWER YOUR DPI
It helps so much like you can't even imagine. and YES IT IS HARD AT FIRST.
The best way to get used to it quickly, is, after you set it to 800 dpi,
set your osu mouse speed modifier to 0.5x. This means you will have 400dpi
Enable the NoFail mod and play the hardest maps that you can read (I think you can handle AR9 judging from your vids so pretty much anything goes)
After you played the hardest stuff you have with 400dpi and nofail for 1 hour, set the osu modifier to 1.0x
At this point 800dpi will feel super fast I promise, and you can just keep playing with it normally
and suddenly you'll be very accurate on jumps and they will all be very easy
that is all
LOWER YOUR DPI. It's mandatory for mouse. It's soooo much easier with lower DPI. Every single mouse player will tell you this simply because it's true. Do it.
this is super important
this is the most important thing you're going to hear
people already told you this but I'll say this again
LOWER YOUR DPI
When I started osu I played mouse with high dpi and I wasn't able to go past hards,
then started tablet and suddenly everything easy
then tried out mouse with 800dpi and suddenly I'm better with mouse than tablet (wtf)
still can't beat my best score on the big black that I got with mouse when I play with tablet, ugh
LOWER YOUR DPI
It helps so much like you can't even imagine. and YES IT IS HARD AT FIRST.
The best way to get used to it quickly, is, after you set it to 800 dpi,
set your osu mouse speed modifier to 0.5x. This means you will have 400dpi
Enable the NoFail mod and play the hardest maps that you can read (I think you can handle AR9 judging from your vids so pretty much anything goes)
After you played the hardest stuff you have with 400dpi and nofail for 1 hour, set the osu modifier to 1.0x
At this point 800dpi will feel super fast I promise, and you can just keep playing with it normally
and suddenly you'll be very accurate on jumps and they will all be very easy
that is all
LOWER YOUR DPI. It's mandatory for mouse. It's soooo much easier with lower DPI. Every single mouse player will tell you this simply because it's true. Do it.
dont worry about not being able to do sacrifice, i dont think anybody in this topic can do that map 
try some low bpm songs, like around 150 bpm.
learn what your weaknesses are and look for songs that you can practice them on.
try some low bpm songs, like around 150 bpm.
learn what your weaknesses are and look for songs that you can practice them on.
There are top tier mouse players that have acceleration so that isn't a definite fix (although I play best with the absence of any acceleration myself). I would recommend finding a setting you are comfortable with and don't be afraid to change it. Some people change their mouse/tablet settings weekly.
As for what beatmaps to play I would play things you can pass but not FC. I usually pick a couple of maps as my warmup set and keep playing those a few times a day until I FC them. For example right now my warmup maps are this and this with dt to get loose and this for cursor accuracy. Most importantly find songs you love to hear over and over again since you will be hearing them a lot.
As for what beatmaps to play I would play things you can pass but not FC. I usually pick a couple of maps as my warmup set and keep playing those a few times a day until I FC them. For example right now my warmup maps are this and this with dt to get loose and this for cursor accuracy. Most importantly find songs you love to hear over and over again since you will be hearing them a lot.
name 1 top tier player that uses mouse acceleration
It's hard to not notice any difference, right? Maybe his/her mouse drivers override windows settings, who knows. Mine do that. Anyway, I won't argue with personal preferences like that.
This is a bit off topic though.
Good luck practicing, Toco! May the taps be with you.
This is a bit off topic though.
Good luck practicing, Toco! May the taps be with you.
I used to play with Logitech MX518 when I was a mouse player and it was the best gaming mouse I've ever used for osu!, and some people have already told you, put your DPI to 800, don't go higher or lower than that. Remove mouse acceleration, 6/11 Windows and 1.0 osu! in-game, rankwhoring will help you getting more skilled.
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I passed 1 ranked [Normal] with HR using 800 DPI. During the game I wanted to throw my mouse out the window. I have a feeling that I have just a stupid heavy stone in my hand. =/
upd: I tried to play easy [Hard] with 1600 and 1800 DPI. 1800 is more comfortable.
upd: I tried to play easy [Hard] with 1600 and 1800 DPI. 1800 is more comfortable.
lol, I use 800 DPI, 5/11, 1.0 and works well for me
Mice that come with purchasing computers OP
Mice that come with purchasing computers OP
You misunderstand what I meant. You can only achieve absolutely no acceleration with a fix and some people can play without it just fine. I find I can't. I'm not talking about acceleration inside of osu! or windows.Frizz925 wrote:
Doesn't mean he uses it.
I just tried it as well.. xDTocoToucan wrote:
I passed 1 ranked [Normal] with HR using 800 DPI. During the game I wanted to throw my mouse out the window. I have a feeling that I have just a stupid heavy stone in my hand. =/
I must say, the 2400 DPI felt incredibly sensitive after that. But I don't think I can stand playing with a lower sensitivity, it puts a lot more stress on my arm instead of my wrist, having to move it and all.. I can play with my palm in one spot at the moment and I like it that way! I've always been playing games with high mouse speeds, so I'm used to not having to move my arm.
My mouse has completely cancelled out all acceleration in its software. That's why I don't use the accel fix.
I don't know which diff you were playing (Sacrifice) but that map is just ridiculous, Cookiezi could barely do it and he is still the best.
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I tried all difficulties of Sacrifice. I can pass [Fiya's Fear] and I can fail all other difficulties in 2-3 seconds.Wishy22 wrote:
I don't know which diff you were playing (Sacrifice) but that map is just ridiculous, Cookiezi could barely do it and he is still the best.
300 BPM + AR 10 makes it quite unplayable for almost everyone, even the best players got shit combo/bad accuracy on it, meaning you shouldn't be able to even download it. Some mappers just do completely crazy maps and now normal (not NORMAL, but common) diffs, or just map them like shit to get the cool map they did ranked, which is fine, but this means you won't really be able to play their maps for a while.
dont worry, if hard +HR is where your limit is now, keep playing maps like that, everntually they will feel normal and you get set the bar a bit higher.TocoToucan wrote:
I passed 1 ranked [Normal] with HR using 800 DPI. During the game I wanted to throw my mouse out the window. I have a feeling that I have just a stupid heavy stone in my hand. =/
upd: I tried to play easy [Hard] with 1600 and 1800 DPI. 1800 is more comfortable.
i feel the same with streams, even 160 bpm 7 notes used to be impossible to me, but i kept trying and now with a bit of luck i can do 15 notes 200 bpm, i am still getting better aswell, as are most people.
If you want hard and challenging maps, turn towards World's End and similar maps, their bpm isn't that high, they have high AR and most importantly high OD which will train your accuracy as well. If i remember correctly, that was the first approval map I enjoyed and had fun playing, while still being quite hard for me. I still recommend some high rated ranked maps, they are high rated for a reason, either being really fun and challenging or fun and easy, and play those. They should be easy to find.
I took a look at your recent activities, ffs don't even think about playing easy/normal/hard diffs with mods, it's probably the worst improving method ever.
And if you can just play the hardest diff of every beatmap, unless it is TOO hard for you, I'd prefer you to get a B on some insane that FC on some easy hard.
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?l=1&r=0 ... &o=&r=0&q=
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?l=1&r=6 ... &o=&r=6&q=
And if you can just play the hardest diff of every beatmap, unless it is TOO hard for you, I'd prefer you to get a B on some insane that FC on some easy hard.
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?l=1&r=0 ... &o=&r=0&q=
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?l=1&r=6 ... &o=&r=6&q=
hard maps with mods (especially DT) can be quite challenging, they re perfect for the transition from easier insanes/challenging Hards to harder insanesWishy22 wrote:
I took a look at your recent activities, ffs don't even think about playing easy/normal/hard diffs with mods, it's probably the worst improving method ever.
And if you can just play the hardest diff of every beatmap, unless it is TOO hard for you, I'd prefer you to get a B on some insane that FC on some easy hard.
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?l=1&r=0 ... &o=&r=0&q=
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?l=1&r=6 ... &o=&r=6&q=
It depends, since some hards are just too lineal/mapped to be very easy compared to insanes. You don't get long streams/hard patterns/hard jumps at all on hards, meaning even if you play hard + DT all you gonna "learn" or master is a somewhat higher AR and some single tapping. You still gonna suck at patterns/streams/fast switching between 1/2 1/4, etc.
It may help a little but I find it a really bad method to improve.
It may help a little but I find it a really bad method to improve.
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To avoid misunderstandings: The only mod that i can use for [Hard] is Hidden. I can't HR or DT hards(because I'm slowpoke with low accuracy).
wow this is at 4 pages already
I was thinking of giving some advice but then I realized that I did things the slowest possible way, playing [Hard] diffs for 6 months and then being stuck on easy [Insane]s for about 4 months.
(Training to play osu by playing the hardest maps only and not caring about accuracy will mess up a person's accuracy skills and it is very rare that they ever get good at accuracy after that, most people have problems with slow streams etc. while you don't get these sorts of problems EVER if you take things slowly)
I was thinking of giving some advice but then I realized that I did things the slowest possible way, playing [Hard] diffs for 6 months and then being stuck on easy [Insane]s for about 4 months.
(Training to play osu by playing the hardest maps only and not caring about accuracy will mess up a person's accuracy skills and it is very rare that they ever get good at accuracy after that, most people have problems with slow streams etc. while you don't get these sorts of problems EVER if you take things slowly)
Don't even do that, don't play mods until you can play them or insane, or at the very most DT Hards to train some high BPM single tapping, but no more than that, it's no good (imo).
Lewa you bitch give the guy some advice on HOW TO BE LIKE YOU.
Lewa you bitch give the guy some advice on HOW TO BE LIKE YOU.
you first have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk. yeah, there are cases were you can skip the "crawling", but in general, it's better to learn things steady and properly than trying it until you die. also you may retain your mental sanity that way. just playing ultra hard maps is insanely frustrating and won't get you anywhere if you get to upset. and as a last point: if you are able to fc hard maps with dt, you often will get some top 100 ranks. and nothing is more motivating than accomplishing something that is somewhat hard.
Eh I went from 800dpi to 400dpi and it turns out random misses occur less often to me ever since then.makkura wrote:
I used to play with Logitech MX518 when I was a mouse player and it was the best gaming mouse I've ever used for osu!, and some people have already told you, put your DPI to 800, don't go higher or lower than that. Remove mouse acceleration, 6/11 Windows and 1.0 osu! in-game, rankwhoring will help you getting more skilled.
A fast crawler is useless compared to a slow walker.Tanzklaue wrote:
you first have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk. yeah, there are cases were you can skip the "crawling", but in general, it's better to learn things steady and properly than trying it until you die. also you may retain your mental sanity that way. just playing ultra hard maps is insanely frustrating and won't get you anywhere if you get to upset. and as a last point: if you are able to fc hard maps with dt, you often will get some top 100 ranks. and nothing is more motivating than accomplishing something that is somewhat hard.
a slow walker will fall over and over again. also fast crawling is faster than slow walking.Wishy22 wrote:
A fast crawler is useless compared to a slow walker.Tanzklaue wrote:
you first have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk. yeah, there are cases were you can skip the "crawling", but in general, it's better to learn things steady and properly than trying it until you die. also you may retain your mental sanity that way. just playing ultra hard maps is insanely frustrating and won't get you anywhere if you get to upset. and as a last point: if you are able to fc hard maps with dt, you often will get some top 100 ranks. and nothing is more motivating than accomplishing something that is somewhat hard.
Well I suck at insanes now compared to before but if you can, try playing some val maps. They're pretty fun and quite challenging.
You didn't get my point, nvm. :pTanzklaue wrote:
A slow walker will fall over and over again. also fast crawling is faster than slow walking.
Done, if he wants to be stuck for 10 months then he can follow my adviceWishy22 wrote:
Don't even do that, don't play mods until you can play them or insane, or at the very most DT Hards to train some high BPM single tapping, but no more than that, it's no good (imo).
Lewa you bitch give the guy some advice on HOW TO BE LIKE YOU.
I want to be stuck for 10 months. 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpfUqxG3MO8
My typical [Insane] gameplay :'(
My typical [Insane] gameplay :'(
no, you didn't get mine. the slow walker might have accomplished the harder thing earlier, but a crawler will sometimes start to walk, and he will then improve much faster than the slow walker who never crawled, because he learned things the slow walker never experienced.Wishy22 wrote:
You didn't get my point, nvm. :pTanzklaue wrote:
A slow walker will fall over and over again. also fast crawling is faster than slow walking.
here in osu, nobody remembers the guys who brag about how they could pass insanes in under a month. instead, we remember guys like kriers or ragelewa, who accomplish high ranks with high accuracy. and we admire people who can play mods properly, such as cookiezi or WW, and playing easier maps with mods will give you a better feeling about these mods.
It all depends on the person really. He should just do what he finds most fun. I was headbashing against insanes I couldn't pass and made it in the end. Lots of people practiced hards and stuff and made it too. It's just personal preference.
I do recommend starting with low bpm maps and training your accuracy before your reaction speed on high bpm maps though, it's worth more in the long run, if you ever want to keep high accuracy play atleast. But I guess that's because I'm also an accuracy whore and I feel that accuracy is most important.
I do recommend starting with low bpm maps and training your accuracy before your reaction speed on high bpm maps though, it's worth more in the long run, if you ever want to keep high accuracy play atleast. But I guess that's because I'm also an accuracy whore and I feel that accuracy is most important.
This video shows this instantly: you're having a ton of trouble with spacing. (lots of 1/2 circles, etc)TocoToucan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpfUqxG3MO8
My typical [Insane] gameplay :'(
And this is a direct result of your huge DPI.
Learn to play with low DPI already, it will make your life much much easier.
Also, refer to my signature and try out all of the maps with "SP" in their 'style' on the listing, this will help you train spacing accuracy. If you couldn't pass a map on first try, use nofail on the second run, don't just retry a million times because that's just a waste of time. Play it once and move on to other maps, return to it much later once you got better.
Not bad. Not all of us gets better in like few days. Took me few weeks before I could play insanes somewhat decently. Just keep practicing.TocoToucan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpfUqxG3MO8
My typical [Insane] gameplay :'(
I got your point but you still can't get mine. Being a pro crawler has nothing to do with being a fast walker, that's what I'm trying to make you understand.Tanzklaue wrote:
no, you didn't get mine. the slow walker might have accomplished the harder thing earlier, but a crawler will sometimes start to walk, and he will then improve much faster than the slow walker who never crawled, because he learned things the slow walker never experienced.
here in osu, nobody remembers the guys who brag about how they could pass insanes in under a month. instead, we remember guys like kriers or ragelewa, who accomplish high ranks with high accuracy. and we admire people who can play mods properly, such as cookiezi or WW, and playing easier maps with mods will give you a better feeling about these mods.
Nah, you didn't really see when people started playing hard HRs/DTs, they used to get shit accuracy and got some really clumsy replays back then. Whenever you start playing really hard things your accuracy sucks and your plays look like shit, they get better with time. That's how it works and there isn't really any way around. Only truth is that by going REALLY slow it will take you AGES to be good like lewa said, but your accuracy will be very good. But STILL, it will take you ages, again, to be good at top tier maps/DT/HRs.
Any decent player can play hard + DT or HR like it's nothing, which doesn't mean AT ALL the guy's gonna be good/decent at hard things. It is not helpful to waste time playing easily mapped stuff, since what's really hard in this game are patterns, complex rhythms, very high ARs/OD, and alternating between 1/2 1/4 on very high BPMs. And guess what, you get none of those on easy maps. You can be a god on hard DT, you will still be bad at hard stuff, while you gonna rock at hard DT if you're good/decent at really hard stuff.
Only real advantages of going the slow way is: your accuracy will be consistently good, and you will not suffer from extreme frustration.
PS: I'm sure most pro players started playing clearing insanes easily in their first month (unless they were playing super casually/on a horrible setup).
Wow... I wake up to find that this thread became a monster while I was asleep. XD
Anyway, I read what everyone is saying, and aside from thinking it's super cool that everyone is taking this so seriously for you (which I understand, since you genuinely look like you could be a good player with more time and proper settings), I have something that I want to share. This is my story of learning to play Osu!.
I personally began playing Osu with a crappy mouse that I could barely control. I played hard, and I got to probably somewhere around your skill level, maybe a little better. I finally got a Deathadder gaming mouse, because it became apparent to me that I was spending so much time on this game that I obviously wanted to take it to the next level with some more precise tools. I started with that mouse. When I first began with it, I knew that the common knowledge was that low DPI is better, but somehow every time that I tried to set my DPI to 800, which is the common DPI that most pros use, I felt like it was impossible to play... so I started experimenting with setting it higher. I went up, up, up, until I was using 2000 DPI, and each time I went up I felt like I was playing better, and gaining control over my mouse. This was, in fact, an illusion. What I was gaining was more movement for less effort. Since my muscles weren't honed enough to handle some of the fast movements that I needed to play insane maps, I was feeling like I was playing better because my small efforts were being rewarded with dramatic movement and speed. This, however, made me terribly inaccurate, and my aim was not very good. I was still improving, though! I was steadily getting better and better from long hours of practice and fun. However, as I improved, and as my muscles got better, I started to see the error of my ways... I felt that it was taking so much muscle control and strain to control my mouse that sometimes I was sure I'd develop carpal tunnel eventually. It became impossible to tense my muscles enough to play the maps that I wanted to play. That is when I realized that I had to drop my DPI. I was at a skill level that was high enough that I could physically feel the need for it. I slowly started moving my DPI down. I went down, down, down, and every time I did it I felt like I was getting worse at the game, because my mouse felt harder and harder to move the way that I wanted to move it. At this point in time I was using something like 700 DPI. But then something cool happened... I started playing better... As I practiced more with lower DPI, my muscles began to understand what they needed to do with it, and I got better so quickly that I could feel the improvement every day. I got so good that I actually surpassed my previous skill level that I had when I was using 2000 DPI. I surpassed it by miles. At that point I noticed, however, that I was still feeling just a little off. I felt like I was still straining my hand, but now it was because I felt that getting to the very top and bottom of the screen was difficult for me. I finally decided that I wanted to go up to a nice rounded 800 DPI. I made that change, and I immediately felt better. It didn't feel like I was straining to do anything, and I didn't feel like it was too easy on my muscles either. It was just right for me. I've sometimes thought about going lower again, but the fact is that I probably never will, because now I am probably five times better than I ever was when I was using 700 DPI, and I might even be ten times better than I was with 2000 DPI. I can safely say that for the moment I have no plans to ever change from 800 until it becomes impossible for me to improve further at that setting.
Long story short, it took me a few months to get down to 700 DPI. It took me maybe one month to get back up to 800 and surpass my previous skill when I was on 700. Keep ramping it down, and play until you feel the difference. It's not going to be fast. it may take months. Just give it a real chance. The very least thing that you will get is a better understanding of how DPI effects your hand and your play.
Edit: I forgot to add that a couple months ago I got a Steelseries QCK+ mouse pad. Wow... It's good... Lol. Think about your playing surface too, as you get better. K. I'm done, I promise. XD
Anyway, I read what everyone is saying, and aside from thinking it's super cool that everyone is taking this so seriously for you (which I understand, since you genuinely look like you could be a good player with more time and proper settings), I have something that I want to share. This is my story of learning to play Osu!.
I personally began playing Osu with a crappy mouse that I could barely control. I played hard, and I got to probably somewhere around your skill level, maybe a little better. I finally got a Deathadder gaming mouse, because it became apparent to me that I was spending so much time on this game that I obviously wanted to take it to the next level with some more precise tools. I started with that mouse. When I first began with it, I knew that the common knowledge was that low DPI is better, but somehow every time that I tried to set my DPI to 800, which is the common DPI that most pros use, I felt like it was impossible to play... so I started experimenting with setting it higher. I went up, up, up, until I was using 2000 DPI, and each time I went up I felt like I was playing better, and gaining control over my mouse. This was, in fact, an illusion. What I was gaining was more movement for less effort. Since my muscles weren't honed enough to handle some of the fast movements that I needed to play insane maps, I was feeling like I was playing better because my small efforts were being rewarded with dramatic movement and speed. This, however, made me terribly inaccurate, and my aim was not very good. I was still improving, though! I was steadily getting better and better from long hours of practice and fun. However, as I improved, and as my muscles got better, I started to see the error of my ways... I felt that it was taking so much muscle control and strain to control my mouse that sometimes I was sure I'd develop carpal tunnel eventually. It became impossible to tense my muscles enough to play the maps that I wanted to play. That is when I realized that I had to drop my DPI. I was at a skill level that was high enough that I could physically feel the need for it. I slowly started moving my DPI down. I went down, down, down, and every time I did it I felt like I was getting worse at the game, because my mouse felt harder and harder to move the way that I wanted to move it. At this point in time I was using something like 700 DPI. But then something cool happened... I started playing better... As I practiced more with lower DPI, my muscles began to understand what they needed to do with it, and I got better so quickly that I could feel the improvement every day. I got so good that I actually surpassed my previous skill level that I had when I was using 2000 DPI. I surpassed it by miles. At that point I noticed, however, that I was still feeling just a little off. I felt like I was still straining my hand, but now it was because I felt that getting to the very top and bottom of the screen was difficult for me. I finally decided that I wanted to go up to a nice rounded 800 DPI. I made that change, and I immediately felt better. It didn't feel like I was straining to do anything, and I didn't feel like it was too easy on my muscles either. It was just right for me. I've sometimes thought about going lower again, but the fact is that I probably never will, because now I am probably five times better than I ever was when I was using 700 DPI, and I might even be ten times better than I was with 2000 DPI. I can safely say that for the moment I have no plans to ever change from 800 until it becomes impossible for me to improve further at that setting.
Long story short, it took me a few months to get down to 700 DPI. It took me maybe one month to get back up to 800 and surpass my previous skill when I was on 700. Keep ramping it down, and play until you feel the difference. It's not going to be fast. it may take months. Just give it a real chance. The very least thing that you will get is a better understanding of how DPI effects your hand and your play.
Edit: I forgot to add that a couple months ago I got a Steelseries QCK+ mouse pad. Wow... It's good... Lol. Think about your playing surface too, as you get better. K. I'm done, I promise. XD
By the gods, WHAT IS THAT?
Rofl, Lewa. XD I get carried away. Hehe.thelewa wrote:
By the gods, WHAT IS THAT?
it's huge
G0r wrote:
Wow... I wake up to find that this thread became a monster while I was asleep. XD
Anyway, I read what everyone is saying, and aside from thinking it's super cool that everyone is taking this so seriously for you (which I understand, since you genuinely look like you could be a good player with more time and proper settings), I have something that I want to share. This is my story of learning to play Osu!.
I personally began playing Osu with a crappy mouse that I could barely control. I played hard, and I got to probably somewhere around your skill level, maybe a little better. I finally got a Deathadder gaming mouse, because it became apparent to me that I was spending so much time on this game that I obviously wanted to take it to the next level with some more precise tools. I started with that mouse. When I first began with it, I knew that the common knowledge was that low DPI is better, but somehow every time that I tried to set my DPI to 800, which is the common DPI that most pros use, I felt like it was impossible to play... so I started experimenting with setting it higher. I went up, up, up, until I was using 2000 DPI, and each time I went up I felt like I was playing better, and gaining control over my mouse. This was, in fact, an illusion. What I was gaining was more movement for less effort. Since my muscles weren't honed enough to handle some of the fast movements that I needed to play insane maps, I was feeling like I was playing better because my small efforts were being rewarded with dramatic movement and speed. This, however, made me terribly inaccurate, and my aim was not very good. I was still improving, though! I was steadily getting better and better from long hours of practice and fun. However, as I improved, and as my muscles got better, I started to see the error of my ways... I felt that it was taking so much muscle control and strain to control my mouse that sometimes I was sure I'd develop carpal tunnel eventually. It became impossible to tense my muscles enough to play the maps that I wanted to play. That is when I realized that I had to drop my DPI. I was at a skill level that was high enough that I could physically feel the need for it. I slowly started moving my DPI down. I went down, down, down, and every time I did it I felt like I was getting worse at the game, because my mouse felt harder and harder to move the way that I wanted to move it. At this point in time I was using something like 700 DPI. But then something cool happened... I started playing better... As I practiced more with lower DPI, my muscles began to understand what they needed to do with it, and I got better so quickly that I could feel the improvement every day. I got so good that I actually surpassed my previous skill level that I had when I was using 2000 DPI. I surpassed it by miles. At that point I noticed, however, that I was still feeling just a little off. I felt like I was still straining my hand, but now it was because I felt that getting to the very top and bottom of the screen was difficult for me. I finally decided that I wanted to go up to a nice rounded 800 DPI. I made that change, and I immediately felt better. It didn't feel like I was straining to do anything, and I didn't feel like it was too easy on my muscles either. It was just right for me. I've sometimes thought about going lower again, but the fact is that I probably never will, because now I am probably five times better than I ever was when I was using 700 DPI, and I might even be ten times better than I was with 2000 DPI. I can safely say that for the moment I have no plans to ever change from 800 until it becomes impossible for me to improve further at that setting.
Long story short, it took me a few months to get down to 700 DPI. It took me maybe one month to get back up to 800 and surpass my previous skill when I was on 700. Keep ramping it down, and play until you feel the difference. It's not going to be fast. it may take months. Just give it a real chance. The very least thing that you will get is a better understanding of how DPI effects your hand and your play.
Edit: I forgot to add that a couple months ago I got a Steelseries QCK+ mouse pad. Wow... It's good... Lol. Think about your playing surface too, as you get better. K. I'm done, I promise. XD
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Use plain backgrounds. I personally use grey.
No.xsrsbsns wrote:
Use plain backgrounds. I personally use grey.
NO.
People won't be able to delete or change the BG in like a few months anyway so it's better to use the dim option than to shoot yourself in the leg by getting used to playing with no BGs
Fair enough, to TS: do this.thelewa wrote:
it's better to use the dim option
Have fun, that's the best way for improvement.
Go to edit mode and change normal/hard diff name to insane
he barely learned to swim and you're telling him to jump into a whirlpoolRaging Bull wrote:
Well I suck at insanes now compared to before but if you can, try playing some val maps. They're pretty fun and quite challenging.
please, this person is having trouble with insanes, dont tell him to play maps that 90% of the people cant even play.
I had this reaction too.silmarilen wrote:
he barely learned to swim and you're telling him to jump into a whirlpoolRaging Bull wrote:
Well I suck at insanes now compared to before but if you can, try playing some val maps. They're pretty fun and quite challenging.
please, this person is having trouble with insanes, dont tell him to play maps that 90% of the people cant even play.
I'm guesssing when they do that 99% of good/decent players gonna quit. xdthelewa wrote:
No.xsrsbsns wrote:
Use plain backgrounds. I personally use grey.
NO.
People won't be able to delete or change the BG in like a few months anyway so it's better to use the dim option than to shoot yourself in the leg by getting used to playing with no BGs
Don't really see why honestly. I used to delete a BG sometimes because some maps just have a too detailed background which is horribly distracting for me, but with the new dim feature you can dim it by so much that you barely even notice that there is a background in the first place.
Try forever to beat ths guy (FL not included, because impossibru) and you will get good at anything! /o/CXu wrote:
Have fun, that's the best way for improvement.
Many players use custom BGs (grey, etc), and then again many more use a PLAIN black backgrounds, this game will need a background toggle, hope peppy adds it.lolcubes wrote:
Don't really see why honestly. I used to delete a BG sometimes because some maps just have a too detailed background which is horribly distracting for me, but with the new dim feature you can dim it by so much that you barely even notice that there is a background in the first place.
Wishy have you even tried the dim option? I used to delete EVERY BG I could find, I played for like a year without BGs. The dim feature is so good that it's the same as having no BG (well not the same but playing feels like the same because I can concentrate on the circles instead of the BG). I can even play HR with it.
Yes I did, but deleting it is still better. Plus I play some maps on a grey backgrounds because of retarded hit colors.
The combo colours problem will be solved in the next build edit: I read wrong, anyway there's going to be a colourblind mode that changes the combo colours into something that contrasts with the BG, at least I read peppy say that in Feature Requests
there's literally no justification to deleting BGs anymore
there's literally no justification to deleting BGs anymore
Deleting BGs was SOOO 2011 :V
As I said, no BG still feels better.thelewa wrote:
The combo colours problem will be solvedin the next buildedit: I read wrong, anyway there's going to be a colourblind mode that changes the combo colours into something that contrasts with the BG, at least I read peppy say that in Feature Requests
there's literally no justification to deleting BGs anymore
Nope, because black bg is boooring :V
I'm not telling him to jump to the insane difficulty, but maps made by val. Maybe I should have been more specific.silmarilen wrote:
he barely learned to swim and you're telling him to jump into a whirlpoolRaging Bull wrote:
Well I suck at insanes now compared to before but if you can, try playing some val maps. They're pretty fun and quite challenging.
please, this person is having trouble with insanes, dont tell him to play maps that 90% of the people cant even play.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend val maps to anybody. Just practice with enjoyable hard difficulties until they're perfect. Try playing normal/hard with mods as well.
Also, get used to a lower DPI setting and learn to move your arm more. It's more steady and more ergonomic. I use a Logitech G9x with an ID Grip at 300dpi. It makes it harder to twitch with jumps, but I don't play maps with senseless jumps and it's actually easier to control my mouse when I hit jumps. I'm not a great player at all, but I can still play with some degree of competence.
Also, on a slightly unrelated note, I honestly think that anything that makes the background less distracting should be housed within a difficulty reduction mod, because they make a map easier. I want to see excellent players manage to SS maps as they were originally intended.
Also, get used to a lower DPI setting and learn to move your arm more. It's more steady and more ergonomic. I use a Logitech G9x with an ID Grip at 300dpi. It makes it harder to twitch with jumps, but I don't play maps with senseless jumps and it's actually easier to control my mouse when I hit jumps. I'm not a great player at all, but I can still play with some degree of competence.
Also, on a slightly unrelated note, I honestly think that anything that makes the background less distracting should be housed within a difficulty reduction mod, because they make a map easier. I want to see excellent players manage to SS maps as they were originally intended.
I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
lolnomakkura wrote:
I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
you're silly
Tom69_old
If this is actually going to be implemented I won't even be complaining inside my own head anymore.thelewa wrote:
The combo colours problem will be solvedin the next buildedit: I read wrong, anyway there's going to be a colourblind mode that changes the combo colours into something that contrasts with the BG, at least I read peppy say that in Feature Requests
there's literally no justification to deleting BGs anymore
Btw, accuracy doesn't suck per se if you practice only by trying to pass impossible maps. I did that, and it worked out pretty well... and fast.
(As long as you actually try to get a good accuracy. Even if one can't pass a map one should still always try to understand and hit the rythm perfectly.)
what's so retarded about a no bg/sb option?thelewa wrote:
lolnomakkura wrote:
I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
you're silly
About accuracy, I've been improving at it lately ever since I started playing HR. I tend to get >97% accuracy on easy Insanes and even >99% sometimes, usually maps with AR9 and OD7 though. I guess that's because I'm starting to get used to high OD, wonder if anyone experienced the same thing as me.
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I tried some beatmaps from your list and I failed them as fast as Sacrifice. Too fast for meAqo wrote:
Also, refer to my signature and try out all of the maps with "SP" in their 'style' on the listing, this will help you train spacing accuracy. If you couldn't pass a map on first try, use nofail on the second run, don't just retry a million times because that's just a waste of time. Play it once and move on to other maps, return to it much later once you got better.
Try to rankwhore, it will improve your skills a lot.
Don't do this too much. It's how people get stuck on the easier insane maps, people start to believe because they are ranking maps they should be pro but the fact is they are simply playing easy to rank maps and not pushing themselves. It's good in moderation.makkura wrote:
Try to rankwhore, it will improve your skills a lot.
thelewa wrote:
lolnomakkura wrote:
I always delete the BG, osu! should even have a No-SB and No-BG download option.
you're silly
hi milbitch
I was making good progress on my hards and feeling more like I was transitioning to insanes. Then I got a tablet today. I feel like I'm back to day 1 trying to get used to it, but I suppose that's to be expected. It's not like I'll be pro at using a tablet the day I take it out the box, I expected I'd take a while to adjust to it. But now I'm just practicing normals again to get used to the feel of a tablet and feelin like it's a step down.
Inspiration, anyone? How long did it take you to get used to the switch from mouse to tablet.
Inspiration, anyone? How long did it take you to get used to the switch from mouse to tablet.
1 day or 2 at most, worst possible scenario = a week or two.
Try playing maps that involve a lot of cursor movement, it should be quite fast, like you gonna see huge changes in a few hours. Use No Fail if necessary.
Try playing maps that involve a lot of cursor movement, it should be quite fast, like you gonna see huge changes in a few hours. Use No Fail if necessary.
Wishy22 wrote:
1 day or 2 at most, worst possible scenario = a week or two.
Try playing maps that involve a lot of cursor movement, it should be quite fast, like you gonna see huge changes in a few hours. Use No Fail if necessary.
Well I can say I see a noticeable improvement in how my tablet handles jumps and I'm slowly getting my accuracy back. I'll try moving to hards again in about an hour or so.
Edit - Also, how2spin faster with tablet? On Mouse I worked around a technique to spin pretty fast, tablet is going half the speed right now.
Sonez_old
Well it only took me a few hours before I started getting back up to the level of my mouse it just felt natural, insanes are somewhat easier, but I couldn't seem to hover or spin good with full area so I experimented with portion after a few days on full and did about 80% of the full area. Everything felt much more easier, spinning was consistent, I rarely dragged the tip, and jumps felt a lot more easier. Though everything felt perfect at portion I decided to go back to full since every comment I read says it's best to learn full area in the long run, even friends who use portion recommended I play full. So here I am today adjusted back to full area which felt extremely slow at the beginning, but i'm now used to it except for spinning, it's so damn slow.WASSHOI wrote:
I was making good progress on my hards and feeling more like I was transitioning to insanes. Then I got a tablet today. I feel like I'm back to day 1 trying to get used to it, but I suppose that's to be expected. It's not like I'll be pro at using a tablet the day I take it out the box, I expected I'd take a while to adjust to it. But now I'm just practicing normals again to get used to the feel of a tablet and feelin like it's a step down.
Inspiration, anyone? How long did it take you to get used to the switch from mouse to tablet.
Anyone have tips for hovering? Or is it the same ole practice makes perfect for me?
Oh and I got this tablet a few days ago from a friend, I did order a tablet from amazon, but it got stolen or tracking misplaced it idk haha. Thanks DNK777
You'll develop a technique, eventually, and easily spin over 400.WASSHOI wrote:
Wishy22 wrote:
1 day or 2 at most, worst possible scenario = a week or two.
Try playing maps that involve a lot of cursor movement, it should be quite fast, like you gonna see huge changes in a few hours. Use No Fail if necessary.
Well I can say I see a noticeable improvement in how my tablet handles jumps and I'm slowly getting my accuracy back. I'll try moving to hards again in about an hour or so.
Edit - Also, how2spin faster with tablet? On Mouse I worked around a technique to spin pretty fast, tablet is going half the speed right now.
Spinning with a tablet uses different muscles and that's why it takes time to get used to it for most people
not really. I can spin 450+ with tablet. I just don't use a tablet.thelewa wrote:
Spinning with a tablet uses different muscles and that's why it takes time to get used to it for most people
U mad?
The real way to increase cursor precision:
mouse player: set DPI lower than 800, 6/11 and disable mouse precision in windows, and 1.0 in game.
tablet player: use full area (pen mode).
That's all.
Oh, and don't forget todelete dim the backgrounds while playing HR or HD.
mouse player: set DPI lower than 800, 6/11 and disable mouse precision in windows, and 1.0 in game.
tablet player: use full area (pen mode).
That's all.
Oh, and don't forget to
To hell with full area.
The truth.darkmiz wrote:
The real way to increase cursor precision:
mouse player: set DPI lower than 800, 6/11 and disable mouse precision in windows, and 1.0 in game.
tablet player: use full area (pen mode).
That's all.
I use 900 though, found it OK for me.
Unless you have a large screen, then you might need higher DPI.
You guys really should try 400dpi, it's really great \o/
Full area isn't that great, been playing with it for like a year and my cursor accuracy sucks ballsCXu wrote:
To hell with full area.
you're either accurate from the start or you'll NEVER be accurate no matter how hard you'll try
Not really a big surprise that I can't do something that others cankriers wrote:
not really. I can spin 450+ with tablet. I just don't use a tablet.thelewa wrote:
Spinning with a tablet uses different muscles and that's why it takes time to get used to it for most people
U mad?
Full area is more fun to play imo, but still didn't receive a huge increase in cursor control by doing so. Altough, I'v only been using it for 1 month now (~4k plays)
try full area + full screen if not already
I wanted to try full screen but my screen is kind of too close for that, and it's quite big so it's a no go for me.
Using full area seems a bit difficult for me, maybe since I'm already more accustomed to using a portion already. I dislike moving my wrist a little extra. Is it that much of a difference? I haven't taken off too much of the pen area, just reduced it slightly.
thelewa wrote:
Full area isn't that great
Not really a big surprise that I can't do something that others can
JAKANYAN says hi =3CXu wrote:
To hell with full area.
Well full area sucks ass imodarkmiz wrote:
tablet player: use full area (pen mode).
But in the end its really just personal preference....
I use 500DPI and it's stable enough, without restricting me too much. It lets me traverse 1,920 pixels with about four inches of movement. I only find myself running out of space when a map doesn't use enough of the screen and keeps pushing me in one direction without enough breaks. In my opinion, that's just a bad map.Frizz925 wrote:
You guys really should try 400dpi, it's really great \o/
i still dont know what this whole DPI stuff is and where i can find mine
If you have a gaming mouse, then the drivers that you can download for it will allow you to change the DPI settings, along with some other features.silmarilen wrote:
i still dont know what this whole DPI stuff is and where i can find mine
THAT'S THE TRUTH and set mouse polling rate to 1000 Hz too!darkmiz wrote:
The real way to increase cursor precision:
mouse player: set DPI lower than 800, 6/11 and disable mouse precision in windows, and 1.0 in game.
you REALLY should wait sometime.
For some people it's easier to get to Insanes, for some is Harder.
Everybody got his rates, and you can't get better from one moment to another.
Having a better Mouse/Tablet/Keyboard/PC/Settings can help, but the first one to accept your rates should be you.
I'm still not accepting my "rates" in many many things
For some people it's easier to get to Insanes, for some is Harder.
Everybody got his rates, and you can't get better from one moment to another.
Having a better Mouse/Tablet/Keyboard/PC/Settings can help, but the first one to accept your rates should be you.