I've said this to multiple people as well.Wishy22 wrote:
I always said:
DT bonus should be based on base AR, BPM and OD.
HR bonus should be based on base AR, OD and CS.
FL bonus should be base on maximum combo.
Hidden should give a fixed low bonus since it's a mod used with every other mod and doesn't really make much of a difference imo.
. Tell me when you reach a consensus (haha).Some maps that are extremely easy (where you get like all top 100 on DT) may be, indeed, considered harder on HR, since you gotta play high AR on low BPM + bigger OD increase. But when talking about ANY somewhat hard map, then HR is WAY easier.JAKANYAN wrote:
I still disagree with DT being the hardest mod just because some songs are physically impossible due to speed. That has nothing to do with it being hard.
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/images/d/d6/Perf ... points.png----- wrote:
um...darkmiz...I read your words but don't know what you're talking about 0.0
1. pp was never "farmable" according to the info on osu!wiki. You can never play the same map again and again to claim a higher position based of the ranking method based on the amount of pp as opposed to the old one using total score :3
2. Only a player who hold a really high position record can improve the rank. If by "farmable" you mean by playing newly ranked maps constantly and get really high position records and pp increase, only to be bumped down from later pro records out there, I don't see a problem.
3. If you were to point out the unfairness of the score multiplier for mods, that can cause one's skill to be faultily assessed by position of a map and, ultimately influence a player's pps and therefore ranks (which you seems to point out on latter half of your post), than yeah i definatly agree we need a discussion of this, but how does it have something to do with pp?
I hope we can set a standard of multiplier number for taiko and ctb too, since the skillset required for the 3 mods is different, so do the difficulty mods for them too 0.0
haha...that's a possibilty :pWishy22 wrote:
The PP system may be already doing something like adding an accuracy bonus if you use DT, or making something like OD*Accuracy. xd
Including halftime?-Athena- wrote:
I'm happy with pp as it is.
It gets very accurate the higher you go in the rankings. Some still top 40 normals/hards to farm it, but they never get too high up in the rankings. So I'm happy with that.
The current multipliers are also fair if you ask me.
score so importantChewin wrote:
Peppy..
Simply couldn't you add the "Performance" and keep the "Score" on the top of f9 when it's written "Location/Rank/World Zone"?
I mean:
There are some players (including me) that have farmed score for months.
Meh, this thing about the score should be managed more carefully and not as a "random" thing to add in the game replacing randomly the "score" ranking with "performance" one. What srsly.
I'm sorry if it's OT but I don't want to open a topic for this since I can bet that it will be closed and ignored.
I know that it isn't important. But it's just to be correct/right with other players that have farmed score. That's all.fartownik wrote:
score so importantChewin wrote:
Peppy..
Simply couldn't you add the "Performance" and keep the "Score" on the top of f9 when it's written "Location/Rank/World Zone"?
I mean:
There are some players (including me) that have farmed score for months.
Meh, this thing about the score should be managed more carefully and not as a "random" thing to add in the game replacing randomly the "score" ranking with "performance" one. What srsly.
I'm sorry if it's OT but I don't want to open a topic for this since I can bet that it will be closed and ignored.
what makes you think it isnt like that already?darkmiz wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/images/d/d6/Performancepoints.png
pp takes the score rank and accuracy into account, which is affected by mods.
For example http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24325
The FL scores earn more pp than DT scores. If DT score multiplier > FL, this would not happen.
I tried to FL a map and I played it for many many hours. The result was that I could FL the 100 first notes.Wishy22 wrote:
Wrong. Any map is possible to FL, if you can FC no mod, then you can FC using Flashlight if you play the map enough times. Like it or not this is true, while getting DT FC on many maps is just IMPOSSIBLE (do you think anyone ever will be able to DT something like Homework Crisis?).
This discussion won't go anywhere though since peppy refuses to give the information required to actually proceed with this. Still FL won't make you a pro, neither will Hidden, we all know who the pros are and /care about FL scores. http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40440 <-- #1 = Niko, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24325 <-- #1 = Cookiezi, who cares about FL lol.
I know this is an accidental typo, but this is the best multiplier ever.jesse1412 wrote:
HT + Easy + HD + FL * 219
try hard rock gold dust then give it a go with easy, see which one you miss more on.silmarilen wrote:
its easier than hr or fl on 90% of the songs for me
because currently:Wishy22 wrote:
DT bonus should be based on base AR, BPM and OD.
HR bonus should be based on base AR, OD and CS.
FL bonus should be base on maximum combo.
Hidden should give a fixed low bonus since it's a mod used with every other mod and doesn't really make much of a difference imo.
Sounds goodWishy22 wrote:
DT bonus should be based on base AR, BPM and OD.
HR bonus should be based on base AR, OD and CS.
FL bonus should be base on maximum combo.
Hidden should give a fixed low bonus since it's a mod used with every other mod and doesn't really make much of a difference imo.
haha what the hell xDjesse1412 wrote:
Easy * 2
not at all! I can read any AR, that doesn't make me skilled at actually playing, can't get 200combo on chocobo nomod... i can't play small circles so I use easy modWishy22 wrote:
If you're the guy who FC Chocobo on Easy + Hidden then trust me you are skilled enough to be in the top 10.
We should combine our powers and become one super power that can do the smallest of circles and the fastest of AR's, but also the largest of circles and the slowest AR's. We would be a god.MillhioreF wrote:
not at all! I can read any AR, that doesn't make me skilled at actually playing, can't get 200combo on chocobo nomod... i can't play small circles so I use easy modWishy22 wrote:
If you're the guy who FC Chocobo on Easy + Hidden then trust me you are skilled enough to be in the top 10.
score would still be pretty much entirely decided by max comboEphemeral wrote:
one could do something silly and literally just multiply your score by your accuracy
You must be dumb for not seeing a problemdarkmiz wrote:
I don't see a problem.Valentiino wrote:
And this change would require stat wipes on all beatmaps :I
Not the best example. Gold dust actually has low OD and it's easy to get good accuracy on compared to other maps even with HR, and the jump speed on it with DT isn't that crazy compared to many maps we have today except for like a few tiny bits. The biggest problems would be the 265 streams but since they're not spaced and not long either and people actually exist who can stream 270 this is theoretically possible.Wishy22 wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28107
Great example. If you can DT HD that with 99,5%+ then you should be banned.
that's ridiculous, gold dust with DT is something even cookiezi would not be able to fc. on paper, it sounds so very easy, you only have to read AR 11, stream 265 BPM, do some fast jumps, bam, fc. the reality is: only very few players in osu are even able to do one of the listed things properly, not to speak of all 3.Aqo wrote:
Not the best example. Gold dust actually has low OD and it's easy to get good accuracy on compared to other maps even with HR, and the jump speed on it with DT isn't that crazy compared to many maps we have today except for like a few tiny bits. The biggest problems would be the 265 streams but since they're not spaced and not long either and people actually exist who can stream 270 this is theoretically possible.Wishy22 wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28107
Great example. If you can DT HD that with 99,5%+ then you should be banned.
Like, if Remilia-Scarlet cared enough to do it, I can see him doing DT+HD on that map with 100%. The amount of effort involved in doing that comparatively to FL+HD is irrelevant because skill and effort are not the same thing anyway.
What the fuck are you talking about dude Cookiezi could fucking sight-read AR 11 (and is still probably the best at that) and the best he could do there was clear with tons of misses, and his aim is still the best BY FAR, even years ago when Airman was first released his aim was better than any other player's now. OD means shit on that kind of maps nobody cares about it, you'll get randoms 100 everywhere because the map is kind of unreadable for everyone except for 2 or 3 players, and the cursor speed + impossible snapping those patterns will require on 270 BPM will make it impossible to FC. Really if you use DT you will get 100s because you're late to the hit after a jump not because the OD is high.Aqo wrote:
Not the best example. Gold dust actually has low OD and it's easy to get good accuracy on compared to other maps even with HR, and the jump speed on it with DT isn't that crazy compared to many maps we have today except for like a few tiny bits. The biggest problems would be the 265 streams but since they're not spaced and not long either and people actually exist who can stream 270 this is theoretically possible.
Like, if Remilia-Scarlet cared enough to do it, I can see him doing DT+HD on that map with 100%. The amount of effort involved in doing that comparatively to FL+HD is irrelevant because skill and effort are not the same thing anyway. If Tom94 cared enough to do it be can probably do it as well as probably all of the top 50 players. Just because Cookiezi didn't get around to caring enough to do it doesn't mean it's impossible, yo.
I think this is a much better example for a map that: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45760
Memorizing this whole map for FL isn't that big of a deal because most of the patterns are right next to each other or go in a line. But good fucking luck DTing this /at all/, let alone with accuracy higher than 95%.
