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7odoa wrote:

I just follow official timing,so I think it is fine.
I don't want to manipulate slider velocity with Timing Points,It is the song make me to do it.
This need more comment... :o
You are manipulating slider velocity with Timing Points, and here's a quick way to fix it.
Right now, you have instances of 220 and 55 bpm. To fix that, recalling the lowest sv multipler is x0.5, set the instances of 55 bpm to x0.5 sv, and set the instances of 220 bpm to x2.0 sv. Keep in mind you will need to fix your general sliver velocity by doing so.
Topic Starter
Snow Note
I know,but it will become 100~135BPM in this song...
The problem is some BPM have completely different slider speed,It look more strange... :o
Also I can't use SV multipler3.5x for this to Slider ([Challenge] 01:36:887 (1,2))
And this song is no 100~135BPM,only 50~270.

Sorry but I think currently is the best setting for this song.
If this is unrankable,I will talk to MAT/BAT.

Thank you those!~

Sorry for my poor english...
Mirage
This map is fantastic. And I love the way BPM is manipulated.
In my honest opinion, Slider velocities could be manipulated, they give a SO nice effect!
You're one of my favourite mappers, 7odoa
Topic Starter
Snow Note
Thank You!~ :D
threenash
sexy beatmap
fanzhen0019
:)
Niko
first try

AWESOME MAP good job
Kurokotei
OH GOD AWESOME MAP one of the best map i've ever seen
but a little question:

7odoa wrote:

No need Taiko diff for this song...
why?
Topic Starter
Snow Note

dialgadu77 wrote:

OH GOD AWESOME MAP one of the best map i've ever seen
but a little question:

7odoa wrote:

No need Taiko diff for this song...
why?
Because this song have too many BPM change,
Ex: 01:09:146 ~ 01:21:690
When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.

Many taiko mapper asked me for taiko diff...
Kurokotei

7odoa wrote:

Because this song have too many BPM change,
Ex: 01:09:146 ~ 01:21:690
When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.
I like SV x4.
those

7odoa wrote:

When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.
You just need to set inherited points to multiply the sv.
Kurokotei

those wrote:

7odoa wrote:

When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.
You just need to set inherited points to multiply the sv.
I can multiply SV without inherithed points. (max: SV x4 with manual editing)
EDIT: and I can modify inherited points like you said, this is a good idea.

EDIT 2: OH GOD I MAPPED A TAIKO (am i crazy?) this is not unreadable (lol 666 combo)

Taiko BG:


Download: Black Hole - Pluto (7odoa) [Ex's Taiko Oni].osu
Topic Starter
Snow Note

Rule wrote:

Do not manually edit anything in an .osu file that cannot be changed through the Editor. The only exceptions are .osu-specific storyboards and skin-related options such as SliderBorder and SliderTrackOverride.
I don't know this is rankable or not,but if I accept your taiko diff,I'll accept Verdi's and Ono's taiko diff too.(They are asked me taiko diff in before)
Anyway,I can put this diff on Creator's Words now if you want~
Kurokotei

7odoa wrote:

Rule wrote:

Do not manually edit anything in an .osu file that cannot be changed through the Editor. The only exceptions are .osu-specific storyboards and skin-related options such as SliderBorder and SliderTrackOverride.
I don't know this is rankable or not,but if I accept your taiko diff,I'll accept Verdi's and Ono's taiko diff too.(They are asked me taiko diff in before)
Anyway,I can put this diff on Creator's Words now if you want~
Ok. If you want, I can modify my Taiko diff for this:
Do not manually edit anything in an .osu file that cannot be changed through the Editor
'cause this is possible
Kotone
from M4M queue
以及我鬼畜圖mod不能.orz
給張不鬼畜的可以嗎/.\
Topic Starter
Snow Note

karenying wrote:

from M4M queue
以及我鬼畜圖mod不能.orz
給張不鬼畜的可以嗎/.\
當然可以,但我目前沒有其他圖要mod.
我先把Ticket留着,有圖要mod的話先再PM你吧~ :b
Kurokotei
Updated Taiko for removing manual editing.
Now you can add this in Creator's Words.

EDIT: Thanks a lot!

Download: Black Hole - Pluto (7odoa) [Ex's Taiko Oni] (with Taiko BG).zip
v2b
顺道提一下作曲是NAOKI MAEDA
加到tag里到时候别人找NAOKI的曲子会方便点
ignorethis
from queue:
基本没什么可挑的,图排版流畅,节奏也一流。@_@
rating: A-
Low
Hello, 7odoa! I really love the map and the song choice.

General

  1. Looks good.
Beginner

  1. 00:25:733 (4,1) - The pattern you have with these two sliders is pretty odd looking in my opinion. Try something like this that's more intuitive and better looking. They also blanket eachother very nicely.
  2. 01:11:056 (2) - This slider is pretty odd looking if you ask me.
  3. 01:36:443 (4) - Spacing between the previous slider and this note is a bit too large.
Basic

  1. 00:11:885 (1) - Put the whistle on the end of this slider rather than the reverse to follow your whistle pattern.
  2. 00:16:248 (1) - ^
  3. 00:33:560 - You should add a note here because of the fact that there's an audible beat at this point. It also flows well. I suggest arranging it like this and adding a NC at 00:34:343 (5) to shorten up the combo.
  4. 01:23:737 (4) - Move this up two grids to be symmetrical with the previous slider.
Difficult

  1. 00:22:995 (1) - Stack this on the bottom of the previous stream.
  2. 00:34:734 (2,4) - Make it so that these don't overlap.
Expert

  1. Looks good to me.
Challenge

  1. Holy crap. This difficulty is intense.
  2. 00:13:385 (4) - Put a new combo on this slider and all other slowdown sliders like it.
Good luck!
Topic Starter
Snow Note

Jacob wrote:

Hello, 7odoa! I really love the map and the song choice.

General

  1. Looks good.
Beginner

  1. 00:25:733 (4,1) - The pattern you have with these two sliders is pretty odd looking in my opinion. Try something like this that's more intuitive and better looking. They also blanket eachother very nicely.//It's fine to me
  2. 01:11:056 (2) - This slider is pretty odd looking if you ask me.//Changed
  3. 01:36:443 (4) - Spacing between the previous slider and this note is a bit too large.//Fixed
Basic

  1. 00:11:885 (1) - Put the whistle on the end of this slider rather than the reverse to follow your whistle pattern.//No change
  2. 00:16:248 (1) - ^//No change
  3. 00:33:560 - You should add a note here because of the fact that there's an audible beat at this point. It also flows well. I suggest arranging it like this and adding a NC at 00:34:343 (5) to shorten up the combo.//OK
  4. 01:23:737 (4) - Move this up two grids to be symmetrical with the previous slider.//...
Difficult

  1. 00:22:995 (1) - Stack this on the bottom of the previous stream.//No change
  2. 00:34:734 (2,4) - Make it so that these don't overlap.//I think it is fine...
Expert

  1. Looks good to me.
Challenge

  1. Holy crap. This difficulty is intense.
  2. 00:13:385 (4) - Put a new combo on this slider and all other slowdown sliders like it.//OK,I add new combo colors for Slowdown.
Good luck!
Thank for Mod

-Changed BG!
Kawayi Rika
I checked your map for my queue ~

Really nice map and cool music ~ i can't find anything issue ~

So take you a cool bubble ><


DarknessAngel
做好毀滅世界的準備了
話說我覺得Expert比Challenge打起來更順
然後Expert的星數依然令人費解
期待rank啊
gogogo ~ :D
fanzhen0019
OMFGBUBBLED
Verdisphena
Oh my god o.o
Suzully
From my modding queue. Sorry for taking long time :<

[Difficult]
  1. 01:37:554 (1,2,3) - This is a hard diff. So please follow the consistent distance spacing here.
[Basic]
  1. 01:21:008 (4,5) - Since it's too hard for beginner to read the timing, change these notes to a slider.
Please tell me your thought.

About red timing sections. I'll ask other members about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.
Topic Starter
Snow Note

Suzully wrote:

From my modding queue. Sorry for taking long time :< <<Never mind~

[Difficult]
  1. 01:37:554 (1,2,3) - This is a hard diff. So please follow the consistent distance spacing here.<<Ok~
[Basic]
  1. 01:21:008 (4,5) - Since it's too hard for beginner to read the timing, change these notes to a slider.<<I can't change it to slider,because the slider is too slow.
Please tell me your thought.

About red timing sections. I'll ask other members about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.<<Okay,I think It is fine because it is from the official timing~
Thank!~
Shiro

7odoa wrote:

Suzully wrote:

About red timing sections. I'll ask other members about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.<<Okay,I think It is fine because it is from the official timing~
Even if this was true, there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the slider speed changes, which makes it unacceptable. I can understand for some slow sections, but many others are just you adding them for the sake of changing slider speeds, which is unrankable. Please use this timing - I tried not to remove any of your green lines, forgive me if I did:

104,300,4,2,1,95,1,0
9704,272.727272727273,4,1,2,60,1,0
18431,260.869565217391,4,1,1,70,1,1
22539,-100,4,2,1,95,0,1
22800,-100,4,1,1,70,0,0
22995,-100,4,1,1,70,0,1
26778,250,6,1,1,70,1,0
32778,260.869565217391,6,1,1,70,1,1
41438,300,4,1,2,60,1,0
48638,272.727272727273,4,1,1,70,1,0
58456,300,4,1,1,70,1,0
59056,-100,4,1,1,63,0,0
59656,-100,4,1,1,56,0,0
60256,-100,4,1,1,49,0,0
63106,-100,4,2,2,95,0,0
68056,272.727272727273,4,1,1,80,1,0
80260,-100,4,1,1,85,0,0
80806,-100,4,1,1,90,0,0
81351,-100,4,1,1,95,0,0
81624,-100,4,2,1,90,0,0
82237,250,4,1,2,65,1,0
90077,230.769230769231,4,1,1,75,1,1
93711,-100,4,2,1,95,0,1
94111,-100,4,1,1,80,0,1
94666,222.222222222222,4,1,1,80,1,1
95499,-100,4,1,1,85,0,1
96443,222.222222222222,5,1,1,85,1,1
96831,-66.6666666666667,5,1,1,85,0,1
97220,-100,5,1,1,85,0,0
97331,-100,5,1,1,70,0,0

I liked what you did with the slows because it fits and makes sense, but the how the slows are made is unrankable. I'll gladly help you go through your map to find replacements for them and fix the patterns ! Contact me as soon as you can - search "Shiro" on IRC if I'm not online so we can work through this and get your map rebubbled asap !
Suzully
As what Odaril wrote, we cannot allow these red timing sections.
Fix them and call me back. I'll rebubble after rechecking.
Topic Starter
Snow Note
Sorry,I don't want to use this timing for some reason:
  1. I want to keep BPM:50~270,not BPM:200~270(as I said before,it is from the official timing)
  2. If I use this timing,then I must Re-map those slow part.
  3. I think using BPM:50x4=200 for slow part is not fit.
Sorry about that. :(
Nessuka
This feels entirely rankable.
Great job on the map :3
Topic Starter
Snow Note

Twilight Sparkle wrote:

This feels entirely rankable.
Great job on the map :3
Thank You!~

No BAT going to rank this? orz... :o
Charles445
Well, no, I mean two BATs plainly told you what's going on. If a BAT were to rank this now it'd be directly defying the other two.

Here's my opinion on it.

I think the difficulties are FUN AS HELL. Challenge is epic, and Expert is even better. The slowdowns in Challenge, however, do not add to the fun.
While you did a somewhat okay job at indicating their speeds with white combo colors, that sort of speed change hasn't been rankable for a very long time.
DarknessAngel

Rules wrote:

我在mod這張圖的時候就該說的...orz
沒辦法,要是你不改的話就不能ranked ;_;
Topic Starter
Snow Note

DarknessAngel wrote:

Rules wrote:

我在mod這張圖的時候就該說的...orz
沒辦法,要是你不改的話就不能ranked ;_;
我不想改了,改了只會令圖的質量變差...
rank不了便算吧,而且我不只是想這張圖rank~
(新圖求MOD XD)

I tired to get it ranked...
DarknessAngel

7odoa wrote:

我不想改了,改了只會令圖的質量變差...
rank不了便算吧,而且我不只是想這張圖rank~
(新圖求MOD XD)

I tired to get it ranked...
我個人很想看到這圖上架的說T.T
慢滑條的確很有梗,可是不用紅線就沒辦法達成...(綠線最少0.5倍速度還是快了些..)
還是說改成像Expert那樣1/1重疊?
雖說捨棄變慢的梗讓人不爽但是至少能ranked ;w;

話說在這裡求MOD是哪招xD
sry我最近不接req =3=
Topic Starter
Snow Note

DarknessAngel wrote:

我個人很想看到這圖上架的說T.T<-我都是.
慢滑條的確很有梗,可是不用紅線就沒辦法達成...(綠線最少0.5倍速度還是快了些..)<-只是用的原作的timing而已,不是我想出來的梗.
還是說改成像Expert那樣1/1重疊?<2個難度用同一種寫法太沒有新意了
雖說捨棄變慢的梗讓人不爽但是至少能ranked ;w;<-以圖的質量為先,改了會令我對圖的質量不滿意,我不想rank了一些陣mapper自己都不滿意的圖

話說在這裡求MOD是哪招xD
sry我最近不接req =3=<不要緊,只是宣傳一下而已~ :D
Ulysses

7odoa wrote:

我不想改了,改了只會令圖的質量變差...
GOOD IDEAL

其實有方法令BPM不用變都可以做到這效果..不用REMAP...

把sv轉做1.35 1.0part轉2.0 bpm 慢part轉0.5試試?
Rizumu Tenshi

Suzully wrote:

About red timing sections. I'll ask other members about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.
I'm in.

I gotta tell you, 7odoa, if those unrankable BPMs were all 50 and it would have been timed with that, I'd say no to all those people saying that it's unrankable.
But, I'm sorry, this is really unrankable.
As those said, there are timing sections not needed at all, since they're just the same BPMs, divided by 4
BPMs
220/4=55
230/4=57.5
240/4=60
250/4=62.5
260/4=65

imo 50 isn't a problem, but...
00:39:038 - This timing section, imo, isn't 50. It's 200.

those wrote:

From .:Let those mod those maps:.

[General]
If you would like, you can delete all your bookmarks to decrease the size of your .osz file by a little since you won't be needing them by the time this gets put on the server.
You do not need the timing points at:
00:13:385
00:13:931
00:14:067
00:17:749
00:22:604
00:51:365
00:54:773
00:58:045
01:10:783
01:11:056
01:11:737
01:12:419
01:13:100
01:13:372
01:14:327
01:14:599
01:15:145
01:15:554
01:16:235
01:16:507
01:17:053
01:17:325
01:17:871
01:18:143
01:18:415
01:18:552
01:18:961
01:19:915
01:20:327
01:20:872
01:21:008
01:21:690
01:25:612
01:29:477
01:33:769
01:34:666
01:36:443

That's a lot of timing points you used there: at first I thought you were trying to stay on rhythm and to try to start each downbeat at the right place, but then I looked at your Challenge difficulty and realized that you were using the Timing points to manipulate your slider velocity, which is unfortunately UNRANKABLE. Let's delete these and fix your sliders before I come back to this. Feel free to PM me when that's fixed.

In addition, you also have inconsistent Kiai Times. You may want to fix those as well.

Good luck :3
I know something that can replace the unrankable sliders, but you gotta move the objects when done, if needed.
Replace those white sliders by circles, but use a VERY LOW distance snapping multiplier (even 0.0 works imo) and you can use the white combo for them. If the idea is bad, I have no other idea.

Before the post ends...
01:09:146 (1) to 01:22:237 (1) - This part...I gotta be serious. Needs an experience from who can apply my idea, who knows? May work and may not, or w/e

You gotta do something about this, pal. Best of luck~ :)
Shiro

7odoa wrote:

Twilight Sparkle wrote:

This feels entirely rankable.
Great job on the map :3
Thank You!~

No BAT going to rank this? orz... :o
No, because you're refusing to fix something that's unrankable and are ignoring three BATs (and even more) by doing so. I offered you the correct timing, and proposed to help you find a replacement, but you didn't even consider my post.

7odoa, please PM me when you've decided to be reasonable so I can unnuke this and help with the map.
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