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I'm just asking about a case like that, where I'm sorry but it's way too clear that Cookiezi's score is even harder than HR+HD SS meaning it should be worth way more than some HD SS. If you really think SiLviA's score is worth more than Cookie's there well... then your system will fail to judge player's "performances".
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You have my full support for your view on accuracypeppy wrote:
That said, I don't entirely disagree with such a statement (which is why I said it). If you can't play DT accurately then don't. Accuracy > All (and nothin' you say can change my mind on that one).
So, for good perfomance I have to stop skilling up, and i need just to play every single map with hd over9000 times until got SS?
No just get good, even with bad accuracy, then come back and fix it once you're good
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Stop skilling up? I don't get it._Angel wrote:
So, for good perfomance I have to stop skilling up, and i need just to play every single map with hd over9000 times until got SS?
I'd assume not playing maps with difficult mods because SS is worth more.kriers wrote:
Stop skilling up? I don't get it._Angel wrote:
So, for good perfomance I have to stop skilling up, and i need just to play every single map with hd over9000 times until got SS?
DoubleTime reduces the timing window for hitting a 300 by 1.5x. DoubleTime also makes the player play 1.5x as fast on top of this. Because of this, people typically aren't as accurate as with Hidden, which is basically just an alternate approach circle. Accuracy is rewarded just fine in this game. Score needs to be the main focus of this ranking system because of the reasons I listed on page 58.
Here's a little suggestion guys: rather than listening to these preachers, go improve your scores and watch your pp increase. Don't examine too closely because I guarantee that is counter-productive. I know how this game works; I know the flaws of the score system and I know how to solve them. This is my solution.
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I'd like to know, though. Is this an act to revert player's focus away from DT spam and back on to SS ranking again?
Well if you're good at DT like Black Sheep or something, works the same!
This is a rhythm game. People tend to forget that simple thing for some reason.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
so basically SS no-mod is worth more than DT,right ?
so basically no, you are misunderstanding everything.
dNextGen go sleep, this system is awesome.
I love you peppy, though I do not love you for not making me #1 in it.
I love you peppy, though I do not love you for not making me #1 in it.
^i lol'd
Basically, if you have been breaking your fingers while trying to pass insane with DT, and finally have passed map with 93% you are noob,dNextGen wrote:
so basically SS no-mod is worth more than DT,right ?
But if you have passed this map with hd, or even without mods, with SS mark - you are pro.
Incorrect. Speculation is okay, but stop assuming you know how the calculation is done. It will only confuse people.
And due to that, I'm unlinking this thread from the performance ranking page. Farewell~.
And due to that, I'm unlinking this thread from the performance ranking page. Farewell~.
So do you guys only want to know how pp works and play for it? Its a new ranking (or judgement) system alot of people wished for and now we have it and you are going crazy about it lol.
Why dont you just keep playing as you used to before, its not like this would change your playstyle or anything. peppy allready said it is fair and favors skills so...
Why dont you just keep playing as you used to before, its not like this would change your playstyle or anything. peppy allready said it is fair and favors skills so...
Not trying to change your mind but is this true for CtB ?peppy wrote:
Accuracy > All (and nothin' you say can change my mind on that one).
I mean if you can't stand the speed on standard DT but still FC the map and get a poor acc I understand you're not totally rewarded, but I don't think Accu on CtB have to worth same...
you're forgetting about the grid http://osu.ppy.sh/b/87570ragelewa wrote:
This is a rhythm game. People tend to forget that simple thing for some reason.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
Following fast rhythms is harder than following slow rhythms. With your reasoning lewa if you just mapped some [Easy] and put OD 10, what result do you think you'll get? Think about it, this game is about aim and accuracy, if you want some accuracy game only go play Taiko on relax.ragelewa wrote:
This is a rhythm game. People tend to forget that simple thing for some reason.
So yeah, accuracy should be considered more than it is right now, so I'm glad about this.
Your problem was, is and probably will ever be that you don't play the game. Getting SS HD is easier than DT HD / HR HD 94~96%.peppy wrote:
Here's a little suggestion guys: rather than listening to these preachers, go improve your scores and watch your pp increase. Don't examine too closely because I guarantee that is counter-productive. I know how this game works; I know the flaws of the score system and I know how to solve them. This is my solution.
If you don't want to explain how this works then I guess this could be farmed if we knew how it works, right?
@peppy: What if i take a break of like 3 months or so from the game and lose a LOT of pp points, then come back, will i lose all the good scores points i did in the past? will all those good scores be lost and i'll have to do points in another way? .. i find that kind of odd, i mean comming back should restore the points you had before, after ceirtan weeks imo.
also i agree with lewa and kriers on this, i love that one ^__^, rythim and accuracy > all,
haters gonna hate and potatoes gonna potato
also i agree with lewa and kriers on this, i love that one ^__^, rythim and accuracy > all,
haters gonna hate and potatoes gonna potato
Iono about all the complicated stuff and I'm not gonna make assumptions but, I had an SSHD on a map that I DT HDed and went up pp :/
and my accuracy on that map was like 96 or something.
and my accuracy on that map was like 96 or something.
As long as the new accuracy focal point affects PP and not the actual score you get for the map I see no problem. So people going for DT+HD records still get #1 on a map but they wouldn't get as much PP as someone who got SS and HD and is rank #30 on that same map. This gives mouse only players a chance to strut their stuff in terms of skill measurement, mainly because competing against a tablet player mouse only you stand no chance whatsoever and mouse only requires alot of skill, this evens the playing field a bit.
Or maybe I got it wrong..this new system is a little confusing.
Or maybe I got it wrong..this new system is a little confusing.
It's the same as what Metro wanted to do/did at IDL, if you're good you gonna get back your points by playing like you used to do.
@Salvage.
@Salvage.
I don't know, I'm just playing around with ideas. I'd assume accuracy is still more important than anything. FL would just mainly contribute to score rather than PP or something. IDK lol.ReVeNg3r wrote:
and what about FL+HD?
Soly totally just started a mouse is harder than tablet debate.
i think people are getting this wrong. Maybe SSHD gets some more "points" than DTHD, but maybe this "bonus points" are multiplied on some factor by the score or position(ranking) u get on the map, so after all math is done ... DTHD still gets u a little more pp than SSHD. I might be wrong or not, but we won't know till peppy wants we to know his pp calculation algorithm. Untill that, we can only speculate
Some what surprised that 'JappyBabes achieved rank #43 on Misato Aki - Sayonara Kimi no Koe [Insane] (osu!)' got barely any PP for me, considering that it's a fairly popular map.
This.Mesita wrote:
Untill that, we can only speculate
No, I just feel that good mouse players shouldn't fade into obscurity. And yeah, it is harder. The fact that you think it isn't degrades good mouse players.YodaSnipe wrote:
Soly totally just started a mouse is harder than tablet debate.
and what when someone can fc a really insane map with low acc? still is acc more important ?Soly wrote:
I don't know, I'm just playing around with ideas. I'd assume accuracy is still more important than anything. FL would just mainly contribute to score rather than PP or something. IDK lol.
quite the contrary. I have the utmost respect for mouse players. silvia, and kriers, and silentwings are three of my favourite osu! players... sooo... yeah?Soly wrote:
No, I just feel that good mouse players shouldn't fade into obscurity. And yeah, it is harder. The fact that you think it isn't degrades good mouse players.
omg, ofc yes, a higher acc will mean a higher ranking on the said map--> higher ranking and higher acc --> more pp.ReVeNg3r wrote:
and what when someone can fc a really insane map with low acc? still is acc more important ?Soly wrote:
I don't know, I'm just playing around with ideas. I'd assume accuracy is still more important than anything. FL would just mainly contribute to score rather than PP or something. IDK lol.
Soly wrote:
As long as the new accuracy focal point affects PP and not the actual score you get for the map I see no problem. So people going for DT+HD records still get #1 on a map but they wouldn't get as much PP as someone who got SS and HD and is rank #30 on that same map. This gives mouse only players a chance to strut their stuff in terms of skill measurement, mainly because competing against a tablet player mouse only you stand no chance whatsoever and mouse only requires alot of skill, this evens the playing field a bit.
Or maybe I got it wrong..this new system is a little confusing.
Yes, you got it wrong.
accuracy matters but not to that extreme
YodaSnipe wrote:
quite the contrary. I have the utmost respect for mouse players. silvia, and kriers, and silentwings are three of my favourite osu! players... sooo... yeah?Soly wrote:
No, I just feel that good mouse players shouldn't fade into obscurity. And yeah, it is harder. The fact that you think it isn't degrades good mouse players.
WHAT ABOUT GLADI, DISRESPECTTTTTTTTTT
I said three of my favourites. ofc Gladi is my all-time favourite. I just didn't wanna make the rest look bad naturally
^^Salvage wrote:
accuracy matters but not to that extreme
Hate me if you like, I'm just gonna say some noob shit:
I'm not against the Double Time mod... I am against players who play tap/x for the sole reason of DT'ing high BPM. It's speed with 2 hands which they don't have with 1 hand.
I've tried a lot of play-styles and I gotta say tap/x is pretty darn unstable. I respect the players who get good accuracy with tap/x, but I don't think 94% is high enough, 97/98% is more respectable.
I'm not against the Double Time mod... I am against players who play tap/x for the sole reason of DT'ing high BPM. It's speed with 2 hands which they don't have with 1 hand.
I've tried a lot of play-styles and I gotta say tap/x is pretty darn unstable. I respect the players who get good accuracy with tap/x, but I don't think 94% is high enough, 97/98% is more respectable.